Teleportation Mafia Universe ONE (MAFIA A WINS!)

[Gayle]

/confirm



Hi guys. I heard there would be mafia so I brought these mafia retardant suits for everyone. I only have one color, but they are one size fits all. Please take one. If you have trouble with the zippers let me know and I'll zip you up.

[Gayle]

[Boxxy avatar]

Don't ever speak to me again.

[Gayle]

if people ever removed avatars when i complained, it would happen.

not happening.

Sometimes if you want change, you have to be the one to start it. If you will change your avatar, I will change mine, and we will bring about a new era where people are willing to change their avatars.

I've already got one picked out for you:



Come, let's change the world.

[Gayle]

As I've only recently come to the internet, I had no idea who Snooki was, but a quick GIS revealed this.

[Gayle]

Don't worry, you'll be taken advantage of here, too.

[Gayle]

Maybe I'll change my avatar for the occasion . . . hmmm.

You can have my old avatar if you want. It is a little beat up but it still runs.

I join newbie games so that I can feel powerful like her.

[Gayle]

*sniff sniff* Something stinks. Smells like Universe 2.

VOTE:farside22

For being a plant from the most hated Universe 2. Can't fool my nose.

[Gayle]

The only real question, I think, is whether we direct the teleport or leave it up to teleporter.

Either way it is left up to the teleporter. If we want a person teleported, we just let the teleporter know and they'll do whatever they want. There is no reason to rig up some system to select the teleportee, because in the end it is up to the teleporter no matter what anyone else does.

The strategies have been presented. The dissents have been presented. Can we move on now?

[Gayle]

Do you think the strategy discussion is delaying scumhunting? It can be quite the springboard.

Strategy discussion is better than no discussion. What exactly are you advocating here gayle? Because you sure haven't presented an alternate direction for the town.

I think that continuing discussing strategy is pointless. Seems to me that the teleporters will decide for themselves on what to do. You are right in that it is better than discussing nothing, but it feels like the game still hasn't begun because we haven't decided on a strategy. You say that it can be quite the springboard, but I think it will just lead to someone being accused as scum for liking one strategy over another. I'm sure someone with say that is fine, but I'd rather not go down that route.

As for an alternative direction, I'd prefer if the strategy discussion hadn't interrupted the rvs.

what are your scumtells when you are scum?

I've never been scum, so I wouldn't know.

[Gayle]

Without reading the thread? They can see every point that is brought up and make a better decision

Notice the word 'continuing'. My point was that the strategies have already been presented, people have already pointed out the problems with each strategy, now it is up to the teleporters to decide which one they want to use.

......this is a joke right? This has to be a joke. As if the strategy discussion created a post restriction that cut off random vote posts anyway.

Notice the word 'interrupted'. No, it does not restrict people from participating in the RVS, but people aren't going to bother with the RVS when there is a strategy discussion going on.

Slippery slope, fallacy, whatever. I just gave my opinion. I realize that there is no way I'm putting an end to the strategy discussion, and you are right that it will lead somewhere eventually, so I'll just be here hitting F5 until then.

[Gayle]

There is really nothing I can say to defend myself from "Finding the strategy discussion irritating is scummy". I maintain that it is pointless to continue the strategy discussion.

[Gayle]

You would prefer maybe random voting? Jokes about avatars?

Random voting would have at least lead somewhere.

Strategy discussion is necessary because what strategy we follow later, if any, will determine how likely it is that we'll reach our win conditions. For that reason, it's kinda important, you know?

But the strategies have

already been laid out

. What good is it to keep discussing them? It doesn't matter what

town

decides. All that matters is what the

teleporter

decides.

In any case, you don't seem to be trying very hard to bring up something different to talk about.

This is true. I used to whine about RVS too, until people started telling me to come up with an alternative. I honestly have no idea what else to do, which is why I said I was going to shut up and wait for the strategy discussion to go somewhere.

[Gayle]

@all (Both towns, so someone please quote): If we decide to go with fishy's plan, 5th Day will probably be the most important Day to have the confirmed townie, so I propose a P:T:T sequence for both towns. It means we essentially waste our first pull on the first Night so as to not narrow it down by much, but in all likelyhood D5 will be endgame or close to it, so a pull at that point may mean the difference between winning and losing (also, waiting any longer to use the first pull and we might not even get to USE our second).

[Gayle]

Sorry, my obvious active lurking strategy beat you two.

[Gayle]

Day 1 Vote Count

ace5993 ( 0 )
DrippingGoofball ( 0 )
elvis_knits ( 0 )
evilsnail ( 0 )
farside22 ( 2 ) gayle evilsnail
fishythefish ( 1 ) flareonage
flareonage ( 0 )
gayle ( 3 ) fishythefish farside22 popsofctown
infinis ( 0 )
mykonian ( 0 )
ojanen ( 0 )
plum ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 0 )
Raskol ( 0 )
Rhinox ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 9 ) ace5993 DrippingGoofball elvis_knits infinis mykonian ojanen plum Raskol Rhinox
Total Votes ( 15 )

With 15 alive, 8 needed to lynch.
Deadline: 2/8 11am

Hay, Gayle, want to discuss the teleporting stuff?

NO

I hear it has to do with your supposed win condition.

My win condition is ending strategy discussion.

Should teleporter claim now, Gayle?

I've not been following the strategy discussion, so I don't know in relation to that. But in general, if you they claim early in the day, no one is going to bother attacking them and one avenue of finding scum is made useless.

[Gayle]

I missed these first two

@Gayle: Why the sam hill do you think people would ignore RVS for a strategy discussion? I'll give you a hint, it's not because RVS is useful.

I happen to find RVS very useful. It gets the game started, it gives you questions to ask, votes and bandwagons to question, etc. With the strategy discussion you

might

find a basis on which to begin scum hunting (as is the case in universe 2), or you might finish the discussion and gain absolutely no insight as to who is scum (as is the case in this universe).

Why is RVS important? Isn't it better to have some communication between players and judge players on what they said and vote for them based on that then RVS?

The point of RVS is to start discussion, and bring out some things to actually start pursuing. A random vote leads to discussion leads to a serious vote. Whereas with this strategy discussion, when it ends you end up with a situation where you have nothing to go on.

While it is indeed not very usefull to find scum, since they can talk with it just as easily, it is important to think about the setup you are playing in. I hope we agree that it is important to find the best strategy for the town first, and then lynch?

I wasn't saying that we should have never discussed strategy, I was arguing that
1, we had already laid out the strategies
2, we had already laid out the flaws with each strategy
3, town's decision has no bearing on what the teleporter will do.

Now, I do realize that the strategy we have settled on wasn't proposed until sometime after I called for an end to the discussion.

By post 147, Flareonage is seriously looking scummy

Why is Flareonage looking scummy? I've had some games with him and this is nothing out of character for him or his fellow Onage Clan members.

@Gayle: the strategy discussion has wound down, and people have reads and stuff like that. Any comments on the game, now your easy excuse for active lurking has gone?

Ugh, I like how I've been accused of actively lurking twice when I haven't even had a chance to do so. I'm sorry I went to sleep last night and didn't participate in your strategy back and forth that lead to absolutely zero scum hunting.

What am I supposed comment on? The strategy discussion? 'Cause aside from a question from Myko and attacks on myself, that is all that has happened. I don't find farside22's or DGB's replies to Myko's question scummy at all. I would probably have given the same type of answer. I think pop's attack on Flareonage was silly, but that is probably because I've played games with Flareonage before.

</bitterness>

[Gayle]

What? How the planet of fark to you come to the conclusion that it lead no where?

Where has it lead in relation to scum hunting? I don't mean to say that it lead nowhere in deciding on a strategy that the teleporter may or may not even follow.

Really? I happen to be using the info greatly to scum hunt I see others posting points on what others say (points to myko) and yet we havent' gone anywhere.

'kay, if you say so. It doesn't seem like you are pursuing anything that came out of the strategy discussion to me.

To clarify, I'm not saying that the game as gone absolutely nowhere. I'm saying that the strategy discussion lead nowhere in relation to scumhunting.

[Gayle]

And the eventual strategy we got came after both you and flareon called for discussion to cease.

Yes, as I have already stated, I realize this.

Do you see how you might look bad right now?

Do you expect me to say "Yes, I realize the error of my ways!"? I am much to stubborn for that. I maintain that town has not benefited in any way in regards to scum hunting by the strategy discussion. I maintain that the teleporter will do what they please regardless of what strategy town decides to follow. I don't think I was wrong for wanting an end to the strategy discussion one bit.

[Gayle]

You're not even making sense anymore. You conceded we needed that time to make a better strategy.

No I didn't.

[The teleporter will follow our strategy]

Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not saying the teleporter's behavior is " erratic, unalterable wild". I'm saying that the decision is up to the teleporter in the end.

[Gayle]

Can someone please tell me what has happened so I don't have to read?

We settled on a strategy. That is about it.

[Gayle]

Yesterday I meant to post a message saying I would be busy, but apparently it didn't post. You all are to blame because you haven't been using your hard earned money to buy mith some ramsticks. I'll be back later tonight to make a proper post.

Some quick comments though:

-The whole argument about EK claiming town is ridiculous. That is, it is not scummy in the least.
-Myko's vote seems opportunistic.
-Disagree about pops being 'so towny in hurts'


Also, zoraster has been accused of being a disappointing mod and his posts are apparently intrusions. Loving it. Keep up the abuse guys!

[Gayle]

I think I've mentioned this before, but my mother is a psychic (or so she claims) and she says that if you flip a coin and a side comes up, pops is scum.

VOTE:popsofctown

Reasons for my vote

[ISO7]
"Do you think we are in a prisoner's dilemma?"
On topic but pointless. Discussion without actually helping the discussion.

[ISO16]
Votes me. He had questioned me previously, but he apparently didn't think my answers scummy enough to vote. What changed his mind? Kairyuu, the strategician and most towny player, called for a vote.

[ISO21]
He attacks Flareonage. Some of you seem to think this was a good post, but I think it was a complete and utter over reaction over very little.

Note the people he has attacked so far, the two newest players. That is, the path of least resistance. And entirely because they didn't like the strategy discussion.

[ISO27]
He hones in on me again and asks me a question. Notice that when I answer it, he never responds. Meaning, he didn't actually care about the answer. Probably too busy latching on to some bandwagon or other.

[ISO29,31,32]
Innocent strategy discussion, right? Except the essence of his strategy is "Let's repeatedly quick lynch!". I believe someone (I don't remember who) had already suggested a similar strategy and the problems with it had already been explained.

In PS31 he pushes his strategy, but withdraws it in his very next post.

[ISO33-37]
Now that his strategy has been denied, he returns focus to me along with other minor points. He votes Flareonage. Again, path of least resistance.

[ISO44]
[I'm not defending DGB! Look, I'll vote her to prove it!]
The reasons given for his vote seem more like excuses to me.

If anybody says pops is 'so towny it hurts', I will instigate a fist fight with them and show them why I am called the "Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robot".

Some other thoughts:
-I don't understand what the problem is with EK. The thing about her claiming town is utterly ridiculous. I'm much too lazy to read meta, but is her playstyle so different as to warrant a lynch? I'll take a look at those on her bandwagon later.

-I need to re-read Raskol, but I think some good points have been brought up against him.

-Myko's "I agree!"+vote. This is always suspicious. Myko did a little questioning of Raskol earlier, but didn't vote him until the bandwagon picked up some steam.

@Albert

: What was your reason for voting EK?

@Pops: It seems alot of people don't even understand the strategy. BRB, faxing you a picture of myself with an irritatingly smug look on my face.

[Gayle]

I post my reads, and I am not helping?

Er.. how exactly is it supposed to help anything?

[Gayle]

Day 1 Vote Count

CSL ( 0 )
DrippingGoofball ( 1 ) popsofctown
elvis_knits ( 3 ) Raskol Albert B. Rampage farside22
evilsnail ( 0 )
farside22 ( 0 )
fishythefish ( 0 )
flareonage ( 0 )
gayle ( 0 )
Albert B. Rampage ( 0 )
mykonian ( 5 ) Rhinox flareonage plum DrippingGoofball CSL
ojanen ( 0 )
plum ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 1 ) gayle
Raskol ( 5 ) evilsnail ojanen elvis_knits mykonian fishythefish
Rhinox ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 0 )
Total Votes ( 15 )

With 15 alive, 8 needed to lynch.
Deadline: 2/8 11am

Excuse me, why the fuck does myko's "scumslip" make Plum town? Also, I disagree that Myko's slip was "SCUMTELL OF THE CENTURY", though some of the comments in his follow up posts are a bit more suspect. CSL, might I ask if his slip is your sole reason for voting him?


@Albert: In another game I have been accused of trying to imitate you and failing at it horribly. This accusation has raised such ire in me that I have no choice but to hate you bitterly and shout vulgarities at my screen every time I see your name. Do not be alarmed if you receive threatening messages in your inbox. Thanks for understanding.


Also, anyone keep getting the "No posts exist for this topic" error?

[Gayle]

I don't mean to say that Plum is scummy, I just don't understand what the point of DGB's comment was. Plum is town... because she made a case against someone?

Also, Plum's vote is very different from DGB and CSL's votes. I really don't like the "I concur! Here's my vote!" type of stuff.

[Gayle]

It is difficult keeping up with you guys. Joining a large theme game with most players entirely more experienced than me and with

two

universes probably wasn't the brightest idea. But let me see if I understand the cases:

Raskol is scum because he questioned me but did not vote for me.
DGB is scum because her play and votes are erratic, and she constantly refers to other players as town.
CSL is scum because he hasn't been around, appeared suddenly to vote, and then quickly unvoted.
EK is scum because ... I don't know, why is EK scum?
Myko is scum because he said "town" instead of "scum" and made a suggestion of using teleports to keep the peace.
ABR is scum because he hasn't really done anything at all.

I don't know what to think about DGB. Myko is constantly kicking himself in the mouth and I can't decide whether that is scummy or not. I would probably be willing to vote ABR, but really I think he can be given a bit more time to start playing seriously. Until then...

I think CSL might require a policy lynch. He posts very briefly for the entirety of any games he plays.

Though I'm up for a CSL policy lynch when anyone else is.

...I think I'll stick with the tried and true scumtells.


@DGB: You said scum is "less likely to take a stance and more likely to spread the suspicion thinly". Is Farside's last post guilty of this?

Also, Rhinox, I am deeply offended that of all those quotes in your post, mine was the only one you declined to attach a name to. As is common knowledge, this is a very terrible and dire insult, and I assure you that I will have my vengeance some day soon. I would sleep with the lights on if I were you.

[Gayle]

@Farside:

I happen to find RVS very useful. It gets the game started, it gives you questions to ask, votes and bandwagons to question, etc.

This is true. I used to whine about RVS too, until people started telling me to come up with an alternative. I honestly have no idea what else to do, which is why I said I was going to shut up and wait for the strategy discussion to go somewhere.

This is not really a contradiction. In my earlier games I did not like RVS, because I felt it led to mislynches. I would complain, and then the other players would tell me to come with an alternative. I didn't have an alternative (sometimes I suggested RQS, but could never come up with questions), so I stopped whining about it. After a few more games, I now think that RVS is the best way to start the game.

Also, I wasn't saying I have no idea how to carry on after a RVS. I was saying that I didn't know how to carry on

in place

of a RVS.

[Gayle]

Taking a look at the DGB Wagon.
-Myko votes DGB for "fabricating evidence", after DGB attacks him.
-ABR votes DGB for meta reasons and then comes up with more reasons later.
-pops votes DGB for meta, after saying he prefers an Elvis lynch.

I can understand farside and fishy's votes, but not these three.

As annoying as DGB's play might be, I think she is town, as evidenced by her outright refusal to change the way she plays no matter how scummy anyone might find it.

I think we should lynch pops or abr. Pops because of this and this, and ABR because he is not doing anything but tunneling DGB. I have consulted my magic eight ball, and it confirms that I am right on both counts.

[Gayle]

"not offering much in convo" is just wrong. I've posted plenty of content in this game.

You have a lot of posts, yes. But not a lot of useful content. You will comment on a case, you will elaborate on a point (whether or not the point is yours), you will respond to questions, you will argue over what is or is not a scumtell, but you've not actually added anything. Of all the people you voted, you have only

really

attacked DGB and EK. I would argue that this is because everyone else was attacking them as well. You vote goes from DGB to EK to DGB as town's focus changes. Same with your vote on me. Whenever there is a bandwagon, you are on it.

Hopping Wagons + Advocating A Policy Lynch + Adding Little = Scum

[Gayle]

@MOD, prod Flareonage please.

This is not the only game he is MIA in, and I would rather have him replaced sooner than later.

[Gayle]

@DGB

: You are still suspecting evilsnail and fishy just because they answered a question? That is enough to put them down there with Myko and ABR? Why are they worse than pops? And speaking of pops, he is up there with Flareonage, Plum, and CSL who are there essentially for lurking. He is no worse than a lurker? How does

when

he suggested CSL's lynch change the fact that he called for the policy lynch of a replacement because of

meta

?

[Gayle]

CSL, which one of those people do you want to lynch?

[Gayle]

And what makes him the best lynch?

[Gayle]

And what makes him the best lynch?

This was addressed to CSL.

[Gayle]

CSL is town.

I asked for 5 townies and he only gave me 3.

Q.E.D.

I still want him to actually give a solid reason for his vote.

Also, I'm going to go ahead and ask what makes you think he is town?

[Gayle]

@ Gayle: Lot of his posts were scummy.

A lot of your posts are scummy.

Vote: CSL

[Gayle]

Don't be fooled! Pops is scum! Quick, vote him!

[Gayle]

Why is everyone talking about CSL like his lynch would be a pure policy lynch? I've never played a mafia game with CSL before, but in this games his few actions have seemed scummy. There's nothing policy about his hypo lynch except the policy of lynching scum.

That is a bit disingenuous. No one said that CSL's lynch would be only a policy lynch. The policy lynch came from the fact that pops specifically said he wanted to policy lynch CSL.

[Gayle]

@DGB:

Every time you post that list it becomes more ridiculous. Now Plum is scum because of meta you don't even bother to verify?

I still think you are town and it frustrates me because it seems like you are annoying people into voting you.

@ABR

: I think you can spare the time to answer questions in between your tunneling sessions. I'm sure you've given reasons before, but can you sum up for me why DGB is absolutely 100% union certified scum?

[Gayle]

@pops:

ABR is scum if none of

your

targets flip scum?


Also, changing my vote to

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

He is accusing DGB of a lack of scumhunting, when he is just as guilty. Worse, attacking her has been the only thing he has done the entire game. Adding to that, he now refuses to answer questions because "priority goes to lynching scum". Myko was right. One of them has got to go. I'd wager ABR is the scum.

[Gayle]

He is accusing DGB of a lack of scumhunting, when he is just as guilty.

This is wrong. She accused me first, and then I pointed out that she was doing the same thing. You got your chronology misplaced, mister.

Let's fix that sentence then:

ABR isn't scumhunting.

I don't want to scumhunt when I've already found the head scum.

Except by refusing to scum hunt you could be missing

actual

scum. You've been tunneling DGB so much that I doubt you've actually given much consideration to anyone else.

[Gayle]

@EK:

I don't think plum is scum. Her switching of votes mid post was likely because she was making the post as she read along. As for myko, as the game moves along old reasons for suspicions often become less important. In short, opinions change.

[Gayle]

She

is

actual scum, Gayle. What can I do to prove it to you?

Earlier I asked you to summarize why DGB is absolutely scum. Add to that, why is she so scummy that it was not worth your time to pay attention to anyone else?

[Gayle]

ABR is going to ignore my request, apparently.

I'm good with a lynch of ABR, CSL, or Pops.

[Gayle]

Day 1 Vote Count

CSL ( 3 ) Rhinox ojanen elvis_knits
DrippingGoofball ( 5 ) mykonian Albert B. Rampage popsofctown fishythefish plum
elvis_knits ( 0 )
evilsnail ( 2 ) CSL Raskol
farside22 ( 0 )
fishythefish ( 0 )
Hoopla ( 0 )
gayle ( 0 )
Albert B. Rampage ( 2 ) gayle DrippingGoofball
mykonian ( 0 )
ojanen ( 0 )
plum ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 2 ) farside22 Hoopla
Raskol ( 1 ) evilsnail
Rhinox ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 0 )
Total Votes ( 15 )

With 15 alive, 8 needed to lynch.
Deadline: 2/8 11am

DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK THAT IF SHE WAS TOWN IT WOULD BE THIS DIFFICULT TO LYNCH HER??? I think NOT.

What? This does not make any sense at all. Surely you are not saying that the fact that she is difficult to lynch makes her even more scummy?

[Gayle]

That's exactly what I'm saying. There is an organized force working against this town to stop us from lynching their headmaster DGB.

So essentially, DGB is scum and anyone who disagrees is scum.

This is the summary you were refering to, correct?

-her touchiness in this game that is inexistant when she is town
-her attacking whoever is convenient for her
-her false representations
-lack of any real content or scumhunting, but then attacks other players for things she isn't doing
-attacking players who she thinks have something personal against her to "preemptive" them so to speak
-making the same bullshit accusations that she does as scum

Alot of those reasons seem rather speculative. They are not so solid that DGB

must

be scum and anyone who doesn't see that her scumbuddies.

@EK:

Your last post about guaranteeing town based on CSL's flip is completely and utterly ridiculous.

[Gayle]

This in NO WAY represents my views. This seems to be more like something DGB would cook up as a stratagem to defend herself.

-DGB is scum
-You can't get DGB lynched, because "There is an organized force working against this town to stop us from lynching their headmaster DGB".
-Therefore, those working against you are scum

Clarify for me how your view differs from this.

[Gayle]

A vote count since the mod is so terribly overworked.

If you have a problem with my level of activity, including vote counts, don't hesitate to PM me, but avoid in-thread sarcasm. For what it's worth, my previous vote count had come less than six hours before Rhinox made his post.

CSL (2) - OJ EK
DGB (6) - Myko ABR pops fishy Plum Rhinox
evilsnail (2) - CSL Raskol
ABR (2) - Gayle DGB
Pops (2) - Farside Hoopla
Raskol (1) - evilsnail

My instructor informs me that math is not my strongest subject, so this may not be accurate.

[Gayle]

Clearly this claim is a fabrication of the organized force working against town.

Illogical Rampage. I think I get it now.

[Gayle]

Why are you italicizing a word that word that wasn't in my post? this is a blatant misrep, what the milk truck

Wasn't a quote.

ABR is willing to hit a lot of the same targets as me, which is convenient for now. But if none of these targets flip scum, his level of contribution is a problem like people have said

You are saying that if ABR's targets, which are mostly the same as yours, flip town then he is suspect. What about you?

Also, I like how your vote immediately went to the easiest lynch.

[Gayle]

Read the last two pages Hoopla. DGB just claimed universe mason.

[Gayle]

@Pops:

So then we agree that in the situation both you and ABR would become more suspect?

pst pops you should be voting for ABR or myko.

'cept he won't, 'cause he's scum. Why would he go for ABR or Myko when he can vote CSL and go "lol policy lynch" when CSL flips town?

[Gayle]

unvote, vote ABR

Curses!

[Gayle]

How so? I'm interested in your interest. [/avatar conversation]

The girl in the picture looks very mysterious.

Also I have a crush on Plum but shhhhh.

Japan doesn't draw women that way.

[Gayle]

Eh? They hammered? Wait wait wait! DGB, before you go, take this letter. Give it to Maelyn. Don't read it. It is none of your business.

Letter

Dear Maelyn,
It has been so long since we have last spoken. I realize that you have moved on since then, but sometimes I'll see something that reminds me of you and my heart will begin to ache. Even though our relationship has been over for some time and I don't expect you to take me back, I want you to know that my feelings have never changed. We are so far apart now, and I don't know how I can mail this letter to another universe, but I hope that at least my feelings will reach you. After all, it is said that "Ain't no mountain high enough, ain't no river wide enough", and I am inclined to believe that this can be applied to the space between universes as well. I truly hope we will meet again someday, even if it is just for a moment.
XOXO,
Gayle

PS. Why did you shoot me in the face?

Also, have we decided who we are lynching yet?

[Gayle]

Does... does that even count?

[Gayle]

@MOD: It still says Night in the thread title

[Gayle]

I care! This is

far

more important than CSL.

[Gayle]

Now the thread title says Day

thanks to your valorous efforts

. You are free to scumhunt.

Fix'd that for you.

My suspects remain the same: CSL & Pops.

CSL's reason for voting ABR:

Well, it seems that ABR is going to get lynched.

Pops' reason for voting ABR:

ABR is closer to L-0, and we need to make a lynch here.

Also

DrippingGoofball ( 6 ) mykonian Albert B. Rampage

popsofctown

fishythefish plum Rhinox

Vote: popsofctown

Because he is so towny it hurts.

[Gayle]

The most suspect votes on the wagon were Pops, CSL, Myko, Fishy. These four pretty much voted ABR for no reason other than he was already going down. All of them except CSL were also on the DGB wagon. All of them also made other questionable votes day 1 (Fishy to a lesser extent).

My thoughts on who is scum, from most likely to least: Pops > CSL > Myko > Fishy.

[Gayle]

GHOSTSLAY

sorry, i'm confused. but what is this?

It is to prevent the voodoo curse.

[Gayle]

is it working?

When we reach the last post of the page, the next page appears but if you try to look at it you get a "No posts exist for this topic" error because there is no post on that page. To prevent this, someone adds a post to the page.

[Gayle]

@Elli: why did they send you?

Look at his posts in iso. He has added very little and is likely scum.

[Gayle]

Rhinox going after elli was kinda scummy. If we lynch the OU's scum for them, we are not lynching our own.

I don't see any reason why we should not question Elli.

[Gayle]

@Fishy:

I always black out in the middle of your posts. Can I get a TL;DR version? I don't understand why we shouldn't just lynch the scummiest player, regardless of what universe they are from.

[Gayle]

Pretend that I have "real life time constraints" until I bother to catchup tonight.

[Gayle]

Good point!

Elli gets towny points!

Wat

[Gayle]

Has noone there noticed...

Maybe they realize it isn't all that big a deal?

[Gayle]

I lied about catching up last night. I'll definitely catch up in a few hours though.


Also,

@U2:

What the fuck?

[Gayle]

Too bad Fishy and Evilsnail didn't use all that time they spent arguing to hunt far more obvious scum: "Lurk and Lie" CSL,"Wagon Hop" Pops, and "Respond to everything with a flurry of misleading arguments" Myko.

The people voting evilsnail for Elli's point are being ridiculous. Why do you guys keep going for this "scumslip" nonsense? Elli made a similar point about Jack, and look what happened. Please don't lynch over such a stupid reason.

[Gayle]

You gave up the fight, EK? I'll reinforce the Myko Attack Squad later tonight, since Myko gave me a letter of challenge in this post.

Until then, you must remain vigilant.

[Gayle]

My impression of Myko being misleading comes from his arguments with DGB and EK where it seemed like he was twisting their words.

My problems with Myko are as follows.

His arguments are scummy

-He claims that DGB has a mindset inwhich catching scum is pointless, and that that is a major scum slip.
-He claims that finding his question antitown is scummy
-He makes the claim that attacking farside is something only town would do
-When EK changes her vote to pops and explains why she did so, Myko claims that she is attempting to look town.

His Hammer on ABR was scummy

-When it looks like town is going to turn on ABR,he suddenly finds ABR scummy,whereas previously he only commented that ABR and DGB's feud was personal. He makes no other mention of ABR until he hammers him.

His Day Two Actions are scummy

-His vote goes from elvis for a point "I'll try to find it later, but then you know what I think.", to evilsnail because of a "scumslip", to Rhinox because "[OJ's case] looks promising", to Raskol for "conveniently disappearing".
-He tries to rush the lynch while town is still looking at five or six different players.

His Teleportation Strategy is scummy

Despite Myko's claims to the contrary,his anti-teleportation stance

is

scummy. Especially when you consider that following.

-He wanted to use the teleport to keep the peace between DGB and ABR
-He wanted to teleport the people having trouble keeping up to the other universe
-He claimed that the mod designed the teleporter to work against town and that teleporting is outright antitown
-He contradicted himself on crosskills.

TL;DR: Everything Myko does is scummy. No exceptions.

[Gayle]

your case was too long, I just read the last line. Makes it sound like I should vote Mykonian.

You should vote Pops. That dude is just blatantly scummy.

[Gayle]

I have no idea what is scummy about those arguments.

Because they are complete nonsense.

I found ABR scummy for his anti counterclaim strategy, which could only have been protown in case he was the mason.

The reason you gave for voting ABR was "yep, I see no counterclaim from ABR: he is likely scum.". That is not "his anti-counter claim strategy is scummy".

I voted multiple people. Why am I scummy? What is the scum benefit, or why am I antitown for that? On both there is no answer: the answer it is my playstyle.

What makes it scummy are your reasons for voting.

mhmm. I like to work on the lynch quite early in the day, since serious wagons give me most information vote-wise. Hoopla's try with bandwagons that are just 3 members long are not very effective.

Are you saying that less discussion gives you more information?

I'll quote my answer to the crosskill "contradiction" tomorrow, as I really have no time no to search for the quote. Further, the theory points are not tells. It is your job to show why I'm scum, not just linking every post I proposed something new.

odd =/= scummy

.

It is a blatant contradiction. First you say that you doubt scum would crosskill, then you suggest leaving Elli for a scum crosskill. Any explanation you have is bullshit.

The only mistake I can have made is if Elvis is correct, and scum wants to stay together. I hadn't thought of that.

I'll try to get the scum doesn't want to be teleported in my mind.

oh, ok. Didn't think of it that way. That could make sense (if your suspicion is correct)

Why would you think that scum wanted to be seperated?

orly?

?

[Gayle]

[Lynch Quickly]

If the thread is growing quickly it is because there is a lot of discussion. You are suggesting quick lynching in order to purposely stifle discussion. That is an awfully scummy suggestion.

Also, pops and Elli agree with your strategy, and they are both scum.

[Gayle]

[Lynch Quickly]

If the thread is growing quickly it is because there is a lot of discussion. You are suggesting quick lynching in order to purposely stifle discussion. That is an awfully scummy suggestion.

Also, pops and Elli agree with your strategy, and they are both scum.

Too much discussion sucks.
We already have too much discussion.

Go back to your universe then.

[Gayle]

There's only so much 'discussion' the human mind has the ability to critically analyse. Once there is too much, people resort to out-of-context isoreads and summaries of previous events to base their reads on. I'm not saying lynch quickly. I'm saying don't waste 20+ pages per lynch, because every day we get someone new who has to read it all, and won't be able to use the information effectively anyway.

The post count is growing so fast because

other people

are scum hunting. You are telling everyone else to slow down in order to benefit you. When you replaced into the game it became

your

responsibility to keep up, not everyone else's responsibility to slow down.

If hanging evil isn't getting enough support let's quicklynch CSL.
Unvote, Vote CSL

Further evidence that Fishy's plan to keep Elli around is a bad idea.

[Gayle]

I'll laugh if we get to page 60 and we're still on day 2.

Myko has already predicted that we will reach 100 pages by day 3. We still have around 49 pages to go. We can't end the day yet.

[Gayle]

Gayle used this straigt from Rhinox.

That only means that Rhinox was onto something. The fact that someone brought it up before me does not make it any less scummy.

Gayle, I understand this can go wrong, but a little theory here:

Contradictions are a special case of the LAL-arguments. They are arguments in this game because they seem pretty convincing, as there

seem

to be 2 or more statements from a player that say something entirely different.

However, these tells are quite ineffective, as both scum and town have totally nothing to gain with it (so it will be a mistake anyway). Then, very few contradictions actually exist. All these arguments usually are started because people don't understand each other good enough.

tl;dr, be a little bit careful with arguments like this.

tl;dr Even though I blatantly contradicted myself, you shouldn't find that scummy.

Fix'd.

That means you don't understand them. What is scummy about those arguments?

You don't believe there is anything wrong with claiming that you are town just because you attacked a specific player? Or immediately claiming that a player is trying to look town by voting and posting reasons for said vote?

it is implied. I can't argue that you should be lynched because you didn't counterclaim.

You first have to do something that makes the counterclaim expected.

You previously argued that the problems between DGB and ABR were personal. You argued multiple times that this should be obvious to anyone. You even suggested using our teleporter to alleviate the problem. When the town turned against ABR, you no longer found it personal?

Are you going to argue that saying "I agree, good case, vote" is bad?

Yes.

You probably can make something nice out of that, but it is what I thought then, so it is what I do.

It is still scummy.

stereotype. I believe that more discussion makes useful information harder to find, and that information without pressure from the lynch is less interesting then information close to a lynch.

Do you disagree that the more discussion there is, the more useful information there is to find?

I never thought they would care. Where did I say they liked to be separated?

The point isn't that you said "Scum want to be separated", the point is that you are claiming that it never occurred to you that scum would not want to be separated.

[Gayle]

Further, I see very little "misleading" here. You simply did it off as "I saw that happening in his discussions/debates". Now you did have to come up with something, and this is the mess it gives.

Look at those points under arguments. They are misleading. You mislead whenever someone attacks you. You flip attacks into your attacker being scummy or you respond to attacks with a flurry of posts or you try to discredit an attack with theory discussion. Even in this back and forth between me and you have been misleading. When I say "It is strange that the thought that scum don't want to be teleported didn't occur to you", you respond with "I never said scum wanted to be teleported".

your interpretation. I never said, nor meant that. [...] Never I claim to be town.

I

don't think I would do that as scum

, aggressively investigating Farside, as I know her a bit. It is kind of foolish to attack farside, since you will get a response. It is her nature.

Wat.

your problem, not mine. The only way you can argue for that is in case someone doesn't bring anything new: I did. You act like I have to prove myself

You

do

have to prove that you are scum hunting and not just latching onto someone else's case.

Exactly. It never did.

I find that hard to believe. Especially since you keep mentioning how you didn't think of it.

[Gayle]

@Myko: VP was shot in the face repeatedly and is no longer available.

[Gayle]

CSL should replace out. If we send CSL to U2, he will only waste their time instead of ours. If he doesn't care about the game, then we should just get a player who does, rather than risk sending away a townie.

As with following my usual pattern of every other post essentially being "I'll post later", I will try to post actual content later.


Also

[Gayle]

Damned Haylen, always making me look stupid.

[Gayle]

...By the speed of this thread, I can tell that I am not the only one that finds this game rather tedious.

I don't like how you all are acting like Hoopla is confirmed scum. Especially evilsnail, who just tacks a vote for Hoopla onto the bottom of an otherwise unrelated post.

Disregard Myko's Flareonage/Hoopla/Pops connection. Flareonage is

always

like that, and I think pops was just taking advantage of that. Seriously, go and read any one of Flareonage's games.

Needless to say, I don't think Hoopla is scum.

I still feel the same about Myko. The player I am going to look into is evilsnail. Fishy's clever plan doesn't seem to be working.

Also, even though Elli feels the same way as I do about Hoopla, I am going to disagree with him anyway.