Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game Over!

[UncertainKitten]

Hi. No, I am not reading 70 fucking pages of what is likely 35 pages fluff, 20 pages set up speculation, and perhaps 15 pages of content. It is, in fact, amazing enough that I replaced into this game in the first place, it being a large theme with a ridiculous amount of pages.

If you want me to know something that happened D1, tell me about it and link me to the event.

Otherwise, I am playing this game from D2 on. That said, could someone direct me to the page D2 starts on? Thanks ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Hiya. Enjoy the previous 70 pages, etc.

Haha, yeah, no.

[UncertainKitten]

We're "really" on D3, kinda. I DK'd zwet after a full wagon had built up around him. At the very least, I'd strongly encourage you to research the zwet and DoS wagons.

If you want me to know something that happened D1, tell me about it and

link me to the event.

I may end up slogging through and finding it anyway, I just would prefer to be directed directly to it, given a basic range of awesome, and then go from there.

IIRC we lynched a guy.

OMG NO WAI! WHAT THE HELL!? YOU LYNCHED A GUY!?

[UncertainKitten]

Ok, understandable. Thanks Sajin.

[UncertainKitten]

UK literally hates me. Sad

I do? Why would I do that? I hardly know you! I just wanted links because I'm lazy.

[UncertainKitten]

You do. No idea why. That is a stabwound to the heart. Lazy is a scumtell.

Nuh unh! I can show you two large games I replaced into and didn't read the backlog. I was scum in one and town in the other.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh hey, I'm in this game now...aren't I?

Sorry about that :S...I'll read the past 9 pages...

[UncertainKitten]

So, the only thing I notice on page 72 is lots of votes on Hayker and Sir Chris accusing me of things I'd probably disavow if I actually read back and figured out what saberwolf did.

And, page 73 starts with Cobalt accusing SSK of playing like SSK. You do know he actually talks when you ask instead of writing him off.

And again, Cobalt accuses SSK of being SSK.

Also, can someone post the case on Hayker for lazy people?

Iec 1808: What meta has Chris built?

Iec 1811: Further confuses me. Huh?

Iec 1813: Oh, ok. I don't see it, but maybe that was all D1?

joe 1815: Did this really have any point?

Chris 1816: Did this really have any point?

Chris' posts on page 73: Weren't you accusing me and DGB at some point? What happened to me?

Shotty 1829: Will I ever see a case on Hayker before this is actually posted?

I like ray 1831

DGB 1837: Ah, how do you know this again? At all?

DN 1850: Can we dayvig him?

DN 1853: Can we dayvig him NOW?

Iec 1858: Oh, he's probably town. But he's useless. He tends to be, actually.

Iec 1869: It's not that weak. Taking a townie's vote can screw things up, especially later game.

Oh, ok, Sajin, that makes more sense.

I have to head to bed. I'll complete my analysis from page 76 tomorrow.

[UncertainKitten]

Also Kitten person I totally forget what I was accusing you of, honestly.

I replaced saberwolf. You were accusing saberwolf of being scum for his positions on some wagon. I really can't say much for that, I just found it interesting this was dropped.

UK, DN is anti-town, but that is his meta. Also, assuming you're citing his premature claim, I see no scum basis for his behavior. I describe SC's meta in a later post. WFH's vote is only gone for today. I think the answer to everything else is probably "yes."

Yes, I know it's DN's meta. I also don't care. Why is he not dead yet? He has reached the policy kill point in the games that I have had the displeasure of playing with him. You have a gun. Why have you not shot him? He is a liability in lylo.

And yes, I RARELY argue for policy lynches/vigs. DN is JUST. THAT. TERRIBLE.

Sir Chris 1983: Just because it's an anti town role does NOT make it necessarily held by scum.

That said it is a pretty terrible thing to claim. I think that SSK is a better lynch and the Cobalt needs to be investigated at some point.

Ace 1991 holds my stance.

And...yeah, sorry SSK, RayFrost is right. You were wagoned (I'll be interested to see what caused that)

You know what the greatest part is? YOU EVEN SAID YOU WERE FAKECLAIMING IN YOUR POST! Why no one picked up on this is BAFFLING to me.

Eh, thinking on it, I agree with a cobalt full claim including flavor.

Ah, Kdub clarifies everything.

SSK and Cobalt both need to die.

I will catch pages 76-my previous post now.

[UncertainKitten]

Iec 1877: Again, why didn't you shoot him in your first post?

Hayker 1878 and Reckoner 1879: Hayker isn't you. I note your concerns but overall I'd like to see the case on Hayker as well ^-^;

Hayker's 1880 makes my point.

DGB 1881: Thank you ^-^. I may verify this after Cobalt/SSK is resolved

Ray's 1887: Sums up what I'm getting from this game.

WRH 1895: Amuses me. Greatly. Especially given the latest info on Cobalt.

Cobalt 1896: Sucks you are probably scum. That was funny as well.

WHAT THE HELL PEOPLE!?

This is where he ADMITS both he and Cobalt are scum! How did you all not respond to this? (or did you)

Oh good, Shotty 1899 noticed

DTMaster 1900: Compelling case on Gorrad, actually. I'll keep an eye on him.

DGB 1909: Thank god. You noticed as well.

Chris 1917: +5 scumbuddy points with SSK

Kdub 1918: This WOULD be +5 scumbuddy points but you later revealed info on Cobalt.

Chris 1919: +5 scumbuddy points with SSK. Oh, at least you were honest.

Chris 1921: +5 scumbuddy points with SSK. Rackin em up pretty fast aren't we? Why is it flimsy to vote someone who JUST CLAIMED SCUM?

Chris 1923: +5..ok, I'll stop. But why is it flimsy. Elaborate.

Reckoner 1924: +5 scumbuddy points with SSK. I don't see it as very sarcastic, especially in light of new information.

Chris 1925: -1 scumbuddy point with SSK. Sorry, you still have them.

ace 1928: Is totally my stance.

Cobalt 1929: see, this is why I wish you weren't scum. Stuff like that makes me giggle.

Reckoner 1941: And...you'd expect to not be lynched for it?

Raider 1944: +5 scumbuddy points with SSK

DGB 1945: +5 scumbuddy points with Reckoner.

AGAIN! WHY THE HELL WAS THIS NOT NOTICED! HE BLATANTLY SAID FAKECLAIM

All caught up now.

Cobalt and SSK need to die. From there Chris probably needs to die. DN needs to be shot at some point for being useless. Despite what I said to DGB I could actually see the merit in what she said about Reckoner.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh

Unvote, Vote Cobalt

SSK wagon is rather big so I'll just vote my secondary now.

[UncertainKitten]

Don't be silly, Kitten. Wouldn't you rather have me alive?

You're funny but, I actually like seeing dead scum

Also, Hayker is scum.

I'll look at it later

[UncertainKitten]

I'm surprised nobody asked for a claim, considering you all think I'm scum.

I think we are waiting for SSK to get shot.

Oh yeah, and someone did ask for a claim. here

You responded magnificantly scumilly by not even giving name and flavor.

[UncertainKitten]

Psh, fine.
I'm King Mickey. I was given a pistol with a single shot by Yen Sid to help defend the light. I'm in search of a key.

Are you claiming third party, Cobalt?

Also, yay for ppd

[UncertainKitten]

No, town. I don't know if the key thing is just flavor or what.

Nyeh. I'd like Kdub to weigh in now.

[UncertainKitten]

Anyway, it didn't really matter what character you claimed at this point, you are lying. Like I said, I will only claim if the rest of the town asks me to.

You don't need to. Cobalt's scuminess stands pretty well on it's own. Confirming he's lying just helps.

You really expect a lynch on King Mickey, after I just caught you scum for free, based on "some info"?

Yep ^-^

Daykill MSSK, and I assure you he will flip scum.

And why does this make you town, again? Please, elaborate?

[UncertainKitten]

Why does anything make me scum? Why wouldn't catching scum make me town? The only reason you want to lynch me is my ability- an ability that just caught MSSK fake-claiming.

No, your ability and Kdub's information.

Kdub has just put himself on the line. Creating a TRUE 1 v. 1 unless we have a really hilarious chain of bussing going on.

As far as I'm concerned, SSK claimed scum before your little stunt anyway.

I want the details of your ability with flavor please. We may very well end up killing MSSK as well, but you could both easily be scum.

Why WOULDN'T we kill SSK? He's claimed scum. TWICE!

[UncertainKitten]

What you really flip will help in determining if MSSK is actually a good lynch or not, as it will hopefully say if you had powers similar to what you said.

What? No, MSSK is a great lynch! Or Daykill. HE'S CLAIMED SCUM! TWICE!

Cobalt and SSK BOTH need to die. Their flips are NOT connected, despite you trying to make it seem that way.

Actually, after thinking about it a bit more, I think Iecerint vigging MSSK first might be a better idea. Cobalt seems pretty adamant that he is scum, and I suspect he may be right. The thing is, if MSSK flips scum, we are still lynching Cobalt today. I may just have to explain a bit more if that is the case. If MSSK is town, then we lynch Cobalt, no questions asked.

Fair enough.

[UncertainKitten]

Thanks for ignoring this post, Forbs.

Oh, sorry. Nevermind, it's cool ^-^

[UncertainKitten]

Alright, you guys. I tried to go to the beginning and catch up. It's just a bad idea. For every five or so pages I've been getting through, another like 10 is added on at the end.

So I'm gonna start at the beginning of Day 2 and go from there. Is that an issue with anyone?

YOU ARE A TERRIBLE PERSON AND OBVIOUS SCUM! I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT YOU WOULD REPLACE IN AND NOT READ THE GAME! I WOULD TOTALLY VOTE YOU IF COBALT AND SSK WEREN'T OBV SCUM!

(Pretty cool. I pretty much said to Slicey I wasn't going to read day one when he first asked me to replace in, and telling everyone here hasn't gotten me lynched.)

[UncertainKitten]

We should kill Cobalt first because, as DTM pointed out, there is the possibility that SSK is kill immune.

This. And DT has the right of why Cobalt is scum outside his fakeclaim. SSK is obvscum for claiming it twice. How is any of this being questioned at all?

[UncertainKitten]

I just have the preference for MafiaSSK dead first. Still not sure how the whole SSK is kill immune came about. The only thing that I ever saw was someone twisting the wording about Cobalt's claim around.

Why should we believe Cobalt's claim again?

[UncertainKitten]

With all the stuff going on with Cobalt's, I neglected to comment earlier that Mulan as a vig is also a pretty dubious claim.

No, you think? Maybe the fact that SSK SAID THE WORDS FAKECLAIM in his post, and went through a list of them might not be a giveaway :S

RF's appeals to the scum team...um...bother me.

Sir Chris joining in doesn't help.

Ok...he's um...even making a case against himself. Somethin' weird here. (RF I mean)

RF 2187: Agreed.

Starbuck 2188: Cool story sis. That's fine, let's see what you come up with.

Sir Chris 2189: Don't like the warning away from casing you. Maybe it's the way too super cool tone ^-^;

Starbuck 2191: Wouldn't say it's an overreaction but it is weird ^-^

Sir Chris 2194: And...you still have that "way too super cool" tone that's giving me weird vibes. Not sure if it's SCUMMY, just...doesn't feel townie.

Sir Chris 2197: Well, that explains a lot. And by town role you better mean "townie"

Sir Chris 2199: *facepalm* Did you...seriously just make an unprompted night activity claim out of nowhere?

RF 2200: is fishing.

I really don't like how Sir Chris has handled the situation with MafiaSSK. The more I read of his reactions after it happened, it almost seems to me like he's trying to delay SSK's lynch.

You noticed as well? I think I had him up to 19 scumbuddy points ^-^

Good points on Raider though, I actually missed those.

RF 2206: Things make a lot more sense now ^-^

DGB 2214: Uh yes, that was one of the +5 scumbuddy points to Sir Chris things I pointed out.

You know what? Did anyone at ALL bother reading my catch up post? Maybe I should start linking posts. People might actually care then. Starbuck mostly came to same conclusions I did except she actually added a little more that I missed ^-^

SSK 2220: Well, that was bad. But fakeclaiming was worse...when you ADMITTED YOU WERE FAKECLAIMING!

I'd like a votecount before I jump back on the SSK wagon. Accidental hammers would suck.

Iec 2222: What do you mean by this?

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, ok ^-^

Vote MafiaSSK

L-2 people.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, I'm all for killing Death Note.

He's useless. He should have been shot by Icerink D1.

I assume you've written off SSK as a dead man, so he's not listed.

Pending SSKs flip (a formality at best), I would definitely look very closely at Sir Chris. Those 19 scumbuddy points are going away.

[UncertainKitten]

Those 19 scumbuddy points are going away.

EBWOP: I totally meant are NOT going away.

[UncertainKitten]

also oh geesh why would I be anyone's scumbuddy. Yeah take a close look at me and see that I am pretty town I guess.Your argument against me "MY GOD HE IS PLAYING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE MAFIA PLAYBOOK SAYS, IT CANNOT BE!!!!!"]

seriously tomorrow we are going to shove a lump of coal down reckoner's throat and make him choke on it.

Actually, no, it's not. It's more the fact you were very clearly trying to delay SSKs lynch. Mostly depends on his flip though.

1917: I hold off on voting out of a bit of disbelief and saying it is nearing the holidays, your point system is pretty bad.

Note: scumbuddy points are arbitrarily assigned and 5 is a cool number cause it's prime. As for holding off due to disbelief, you could say that, or...you could consider how it reads. As trying to save a buddy.

1919: Yet my honesty is rewarded with scum points, very sad.

Well, you could HONESTLY claim scum, but it wouldn't stop me voting you, as an example. Admitting something doesn't automatically make it go away.

1921: Because in an ironic plot twist (unless cobalt tried to shoot his own scumbuddy in some weird fun mindscrew) SSK's slip of bussing was just that, a misuse of mafia lingo that happened to net us two scum.

Well, think about it. SSK had claimed scum. Cobalt was doing damage control, albeit badly. He expected to miss and was going to bus SSK hard for it, coming out a hero for the town. He kept bringing this up the entire time, as you'll notice. I doubt it's a misuse. Might have been sarcasm, but it's still pretty bad.

1923: A single post can be twisted to lynch a town, so even though it seems he is scum building a lynch based off one word in one post is extremely flimsy. Flimsy isn't always wrong though, and sturdy isn't always right.

Ok. This doesn't really fix anything. Sorry

So I got 19 scum points for you being a silly goose is what it looks like to me.

Nah, you really didn't assuage anything at all, or convince me I was a "silly goose"

I don't like being attacked and I don't like being attacked with crappy logic and piss poor posts.

Seriously, bring better than that or just accept that I am town, pick one.

Oh, aren't you abrasive ^-^. It's mafia. Expect to get attacked. As for crappy logic and piss poor posts, somehow I am unconvinced of this.

As for better than that, well, if we secure your flip and it's scum, I'd argue I am. As for accepting you as town, I tend to not do that unless I have damned good reasons. None of which have really been provided by you. Sorry ^-^.

What's funny is how defensive you are getting. I'm not even focusing on you, merely pointing out things that were observed by other people as well.

Hey, is Sir Chris the new ZazieR?

Yeah, except we'll find out he's really a girl ^-^.

Vote: SSK

I'm also gonna assume that XII/Nobodys aren't necessarily an anti-town wincon.

Why? And cool hammer bro.

Ah, maybe Starbuck just wanted to come here and act as if she was generating content by making that post instead of doing no such thing. It is OK, I forgive you for having a contentless post, you don't have to try to act tough!

Oh, wasn't she a town role a couple pages ago ^-^?

Not gonna lie, wouldn't have a heart attack if it turned out Iece is day SK <_<

Wellp, he's been rather helpful so far. I'd like him to shoot DN before we go killing him for possibly being an SK though

I think SSK/Hayker/UK (off the top of my head) are more likely to be scum of some sort than DeathNote. I think Cobalt was just lazily anti-town/lurker-hunting D1, which is what I called him out on D1. If DN is scum, I don't think he's scum with Cobalt.

Oh, I don't think DN is scum. I actually have no read of him whatsoever. I just know he'll be FUCKING USELESS in lylo, and the entire game. I don't want him living that long should we have the misfortune of getting there. And we are slowly but surely waltzing out of the grace period for policy kills.

So, I'm curious why I'm likely to be scum. SSK is obvious. Hayker is apparently a lurker without stances. Why am I in this esteemed group?

DGB 2256: I'd rather hear why he thinks this first. I agree it's suspect though.

SC 2275: I see bragging. I hope you back it up ^-^

SC 2277: Did you miss the part where SSK claimed scum. TWICE? I mean hell, he even SAID HE WAS FAKECLAIMING. Honestly, Cobalt used his power pretty well from a scum perspective. Too bad for him he mangled his claim.

SC 2281: Honestly, I get what Iec was saying about appeals to emotion in every post now.

Reck 2283: Umu...kinda...a bit much here...

But is that really your elaboration on what seems to be a mod confirmed scum group?

I think I could get behind a Reck wagon/daykill tomorrow.

DGB 2284: I actually brought up third party first. I asked Cobalt, somewhat facetiously, if he was claiming third party.

RF 2292: I like this ^-^

Well, caught up. I feel a bit sorry for Reck, holidays can be tough. I don't like SC's tone but it doesn't make him scum. Honestly, I need SSK's flip before really proceeding on that and deciding whether he comes off as more likely scum or town. I still want DN dead. DGB and RF are pretty fuckwin right now.

Everyone else in this game needs to post. If you weren't named and you have posted, post something worth responding to.

[UncertainKitten]

Before you both ruin this game for everyone else playing, please stop this flame war.

[UncertainKitten]

(Side note, due to LotA I could understand why Reckoner could see grey text and think 3rd party and possibly not anti town. But because he mentioned it before the flip of Cobalt it makes it incredibly suspect)

This sorta, except the last part. As I said, I think I brought it up first at "searching for a key"

[UncertainKitten]

I had called Cobalt actual-scum earlier as in pre-claim (unless I'm getting my games confused, but I don't think I am), then saw the key-thing and thought third-party wincon, then I saw the grey text and assumed third-party but not anti-town wincon... and now that I think about it, grey text means nothing, he lied about the key thing so that removes the idea of the wincon being anti-town, and he's labeled as a Nobody, which means there MUST be Heartless too.

But you did point out a third party wincon BEFORE the gray text. That's how the bee got in my bonnet.

Again, DGB,

why am I any different?

I do agree that not noticing you were the hammer on the obvious wagon is a little suspect.

[UncertainKitten]

here, DGB

@DGB: Because my wincon has nothing to do with finding the key, but finding the key also doesn't sound like a strictly anti-town wincon. Therefore, I assumed some wacky third-party mechanics (a la Tar's point system for the Outsiders in LOTA)

See, this I can understand.

[UncertainKitten]

I think whoever killed xemnas should claim (Assuming town here).

I think that the heartless are the cut to pieces peeps, but that's just me.

[/speculation]

So you don't think the Nobodies have a kill? As far as I can tell, there have been two kills per night. We know of two scum teams. I am encouraged to use Occam's Razor at this point.


DN 2373: Can we shoot you today? PLEASE!?

Ray 2375/Shotty 2376: Well, you'd think that someone wouldn't post "What should I fakeclaim" in thread but look where that led us. In other words, I see RF's point.

@U-Kitten: Is this your typical playstyle? (commenting on post subjects)

Actually, something new I'm trying to cut down the quote spam in my posts. I'm also considering linking the posts I talk about in the future to see if it helps. I actually like the style so I'll probably keep it. Why do you ask?

DN 2393: You see, I really want you to die.

DGB 2397: EEK! YOU WERE LOOKING AT ME WHILE I SLEPT!? P-P-PERVERT!

DGB 2398: It wasn't really hard to bus either of them, honestly. SSK claims scum twice, Cobalt claims a role that only scum could have, you'd be retarded NOT to bus.

DGB 2400: Ah, I see. Interesting theory. I can't counter it as he was mostly mentioned saberwolf :S

Iec 2403: Can we still kill DN? But I see your point on DGB...something to consider to be sure.

/me sighs

I don't know who could be buddied with any of the flips to be honest. I'd rather not piggyback off DGB's scumhunting since I know she's wrong in at least one instance. Of course, I'm in favor of DeathNote dying any way possible. I do see RF's point on Shotty as well, so his lynch would not be negative. As for DGB...umu...I guess I'm biased with her favor since she effectively claimed tracker. not necessarily a town role, I know, but she could have probably tried to frame me with it if she wanted to.

So...

Vote DeathNote

FoS Shotty

[UncertainKitten]

Every night, I expect to wake up dead. I suspect the Millerness is somewhat protective, but I don't know for how long this will last. Also, UKitten is hugely tainted. She'd be an enormous distraction.

Do I WANT to know what this means?

At any rate, Hayker's...case is rather...unimpressive.

[UncertainKitten]

I would like RF to elaborate on his information.

I will vote Papa Zito given the elaboration is acceptable.

[UncertainKitten]

I would make a funny face at you for that, but the chance of you being scum with PZ is realistically very low.

Well, that's good to know. I don't understand why my caution in this case seems weird. Before you point at yesterday, don't forget SSK claimed scum before Cobalt fired, and that Cobalt claimed a scummy role before Kdub implied (and also fleshed out the claim a lot more).

[UncertainKitten]

I think the most likely result of RF elaborating would be giving remaining scum information they don't need. If RF is wrong, he dies tomorrow 100% IMO. The only reason we should reevaluate is if PZ comes out and claims Miller, in which case I certainly wish he'd have been responsible and done so D1, etc.

I am suddenly compelled by your argument

Unvote, Vote Papa Zito

Please ignore my call for elaboration, RF.

[UncertainKitten]

UK:

I don't want to elaborate on the one shot, as it also relates to... other things.

Let's just say me saying I want to die was not a lie, and that me dying is also bad for the mafia teams. ^.^

Now now, you wouldn't pretend to have a one shot ability on someone you aren't sure is scum but want lynched anyway, hoping that on the off chance you are wrong you'll get auto lynched, would you? That wouldn't be very nice.

But I know you wouldn't do that. So I'll go with this ^-^.

Nothing else to comment on.

[UncertainKitten]

Perhaps a rather stupid question, but what does IIoA mean? I've come across it several times throughout the game and I couldn't find it in any dictionary.

Information instead of Analysis

Ironically, like this post I'm making now.

But, at any rate, I'll catch up with the actual proceedings later. Far as I'm concerned KDub was implicating raider, but I could be wrong.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm still around, but you all post too much and I'm reading older games. If raider is still alive tomorrow I'll catch up from start of D4, ok?

[UncertainKitten]

YAY!

Please put raider at L-1.

I would swear I was voting him. But maybe that was Zito?

This coming from the person who as town in LOTA forced everyone to rush actions and we literally had <8 hour long days?

I did? I don't recall rushing anyone. Well, either way there are a couple explanations for that. One being I didn't replace into LoTA, two I like Tar games, and three I had an interesting role.

Take that as you will.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm scar.

I am a heartless, and my secret power was finding doubt in the hearts of people, which basically means I'm a role cop.

That's how I found zito.

Welll then.

Seriously?

You know, how about we lynch raider today and RF tomorrow, sound good?

But more importantly, WHY IN THE HELL IS NO ONE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS POST!?

[UncertainKitten]

Because it's a joke. Right above that post, Goof ask, "Would Scar like to claim?" Ray has said a few times afterward that he does not wish to

name claim

, so he isn't seriously Scar.

Now, raider votes, ladies?

Didn't SSK say his was a joke/sarcasm ^-^?

[UncertainKitten]

Because it's a joke. Right above that post, Goof ask, "Would Scar like to claim?" Ray has said a few times afterward that he does not wish to

name claim

, so he isn't seriously Scar.

Now, raider votes, ladies?

Didn't SSK say his was a joke/sarcasm ^-^?

I've also claimed Zorblag (third party sk).

Want to lynch me for that?

Nah, Troll's awesome. Who'd lynch him? Obviously not anyone protown!

Anyway, I wouldn't mind an ace claim, seems like a pretty cool idea.

[UncertainKitten]

Since this wagon looks like it could be going somewhere - I am Namine, a one time cop (both for Heartless and Nobody, and I also find out role). I can tap into someone's memory to find out exactly what they do. I have not used my ability yet.

Oh, thanks for that

Unvote, Vote ace

Don't buy it. Isn't that EXACTLY what Ray "fakeclaimed"? (Of course, I find Ray a little suspect for echoing SSK scum's behavior several ways, but yeah).

Well, that and IIRC Namine was a nobody ^-^

CLEARED - UncertainKitten/saberwolf

I'm cleared

why?

[UncertainKitten]

Ah, right, the tracker thing. Just curious why I'm being randomly cleared.

Were you also the one that claimed the Riku blindfold thing or was that someone else?

[UncertainKitten]

Why is UK cleared?

I tracked you. You at least don't have a PR.

which basically means I'm totally not cleared but DGB has to write that I am in every post where she posts opinions on other players.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah. Namine is as likely to be Nobodyscum as Roxas.

Derp, forgot Roxas' flip.

I find it borderline-impossible to believe that you haven't used your shot yet AND that your one-shot is night-only. That is absurdly convenient. Not to mention RF's having already claimed it. What do you make of RF having "fakeclaimed" your role the page before you claimed it.

This, however, is a good point.

[UncertainKitten]

Also, is there a reason why DeathNote is still alive?

Iec ran out of bullets, no one wants to listen to Cassandra.

What do you expect?

I mean, seriously, it sucks when you live up to your name :S

Because you have like 5 people you want dead and can only kill one at a time.

I want him dead as well. Can we kill him? Please!?

[UncertainKitten]

Unvote Ace right now. His claim is provable as he claimed to get the role details of whoever he targets as well as alignment.

If he is legit, he will have to be nightkilled or it will increase confirms/out scum. If he is not legit he will have difficulty faking.

good point

Unvote, Vote Deathnote

[UncertainKitten]

All DN has done this game is some sketchy Cobalt daytalk and a pressure-less VT claim.

And been useless, and should have been shot D1. But that's just my bias.

[UncertainKitten]

Yes, YES MOTHERF**KERS, I wanted to teach him a lesson and manipulate everyone into lynching his skulking ass. He's dead already to this game.

There I said it!

GAAAAAAAAAHAHHHUKUJHAKSJDHJKSDABNJK@#!IIUQ!@)(LKAN

There are leads suggesting raider could be a Nobody. I'd rather get to the bottom of that instead of carry out my dickheaded plan.

And yes, I would have still accounted for DN if he flipped town.

I like you. Why isn't DN dead yet again?


I'm still onboard for lynching DN, right? Like, voting him?

[UncertainKitten]

So, I'm not actually here today. I'll catch up tomorrow.

[UncertainKitten]

What did DeathNote do that was so scummy? Could you give me some pages to look at or something?

I suggest taking a closer look at the people that accused him.

He existed, honestly. DN is a terrible player and the sooner he dies the better off the group is.

But, as for specifically why he needs to die? Maybe doing nothing all game should clue you in. Have you tried ISOing him/you?

And yes, a claim would be nice. You aren't impressing me as a paragon of towniness.

[UncertainKitten]

If DN is Heartless, I think UK may be his scumfriend. This is not a very well-researched position.

I would appreciate reasoning for this, since your name isn't chamber.

That's all ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

I will elaborate when it is no longer anti-town to do so.

I think it's rather anti town to hold back now. But, whatever. I know you're wrong .

[UncertainKitten]

I think it's rather anti town to hold back now.

I could forgive townUK for thinking that, but he would still be mistaken.

Yes, well

she

might be.

I swear I corrected you before on that.

And um...I replaced saberwolf, Snow White. Why am I scummy again?

[quote="Sajin]

Iec is correct in his reasoning but I do not think UK as scum would make the play that Iec is insinuating here. [/quote]

What play? Now I'm confused...

[UncertainKitten]

That is what you get for using a dude as an avatar. Razz

Battina Objection is the best avatar ever! I mean, I could use my not safe for work* UncertainKitten avatar with Rin Kaenbyou, but that's kinda special .

*As in it claims I'm NSFW, not that the avatar is.

But, I'll admit, I've noticed that I seem to get gendered male more often with this avatar .

[UncertainKitten]

OH! I just got what you were insinuating to imply I was scum with DN!

I don't think it applies. I think I've been trying to have him killed since I replaced in. I also haven't really been the one rushing his lynch, just calling for it. Repeatedly.

[UncertainKitten]

My two cent on UK's avie. lol. well i thought you and FL were both guys. Before realising i was wrong on both accounts. XD

Um, do you mean FL as in my old account forbiddanlight or any other FL I'm aware of?

@UK ive only got you down as scummy by association. Late Day1 Ray requested SW wagon hop with him. I didnt like that. But equally Saber refused to do so, but this could have been distancing. I just found it strange if Mae was killed that both of you have remained alive when she pointed out issue with you both. I would however pick Ray up faster than you on that UK. I only meant to put in your name there to say i believe that one of you is likely to be scum. However i could always be totally wrong.

Merely wanted to know what I stand accused of. I really can't say much about that .

[UncertainKitten]

1. The very same. Wink We were briefly in Gorrad's FF mafia.
2. lol. its alright. Its not much *admittedly, its the only thing (i think) i have on you that remotely stood out.

Well, we'll see what happens. And yeah, I do indeed recall that. Well, I'd hope that the Kitten thing would kinda feminize the perception of myself a little?

I don't understand why you guys are attacking me. You're WASTING YOUR TIME

This is gonna get you nowhere

Weeeeeeeeelp, apparently you're as useful as DN right now.

[UncertainKitten]

Lol. yep. =) But the bigger hint is the pink thing above your join date.

Weeeeeelp, apparently you're as useful as DN right now.

OMGOZONOES!!!

@Flareonage. Why will you not claim? >>> *confused face*

CHEATER! >=[

The town fails anyway. Apparently all the information they got up to this point has still misled them

That's nice. Would you like to lead us the right way ?

[UncertainKitten]

This is also why I speculated that UK could be DN's scumfriend. Whereas the entire town was actively pretending that DN had not already claimed, UK instead encouraged Flare (well, scumUK encouraged; townUK just hadn't caught on or something) to read DN's iso.

Oh, shit, didn't even realize that!

/me headdesks

That's twice I've made stupid overlooking mistakes. I need sleep bad.

Either way, still happy with a Flare lynch unless he produces content. Willing to give him time to at least start looking over the game. Encouraging him to start from D2 since that's what most other replacements did.

[UncertainKitten]

What did you mean here?

I thought you thought I was pushing his lynch as hard as I could so he'd not say anything stupid and get any potential scum partners caught.

Guess I was wrong again ^-^;.

[UncertainKitten]

UNVOTE

VOTE: Uncertainkitty

Someone has to be scum and its not me

Cute. I'd unvote and revote you, but I'm not CERTAIN that I'm voting you as it stands. So I'd rather not quick hammer right away.

Just for the sake of lulz, do you have any reasoning?

[UncertainKitten]

Oh. Nah. Lynch me if I ever make up something like that without at least one flip. That was counterevidence; not evidence.

Eh, I'd probably push it if I believed it were occuring. But I tend to gamble more on my reads when I commit to them.

And I read both DN and Flare as irritating and useless as opposed to any particular alignment. I hope Flare proves me wrong.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh good!

Unvote, Revote with prejudice: Flareonage

[UncertainKitten]

I had no reason to vote you. It was just a random vote

Yeah...I'm happy with my vote.

But, I will give you some points. You are so far more game relevant than DN. Would you like a gold star?

[UncertainKitten]

Flare is town.

Iec was obviously accusing you of coaching Flare, UK. Like I said before.

Can we lynch raider please. Thank you.

Why is flare town? And I've apparently missed a lot of obvious things lately :S.

I didn't do any of that so by your logic I'm a total idiot. I don't even know what ISO is

Fortunately, following my advice of starting on D2 would also have the same effect of finding DN's claim. Looks like I really saved your ass from being too obvious...I think I'll be more careful in the future.

[quote="Iec]
You replaced DeathNote. Flare has plenty to worry about regardless of his alignment.

Anyway, welcome to the game. I'll be nicer so long as you're well-behaved. Razz [/quote]

I'll admit I should back off slightly since I am basically transposing my policy hate of DN on this poor new guy

I read his posts and now I see where you guys are coming from. Sorry I'm so similar to that. I too dig Kingdom Hearts

As I said, you've been marginally better.

unvote

vote: Uncertainkitten

Changing my vote back to what it was since I saw that iecerint already claimed

/me adopts a very bored, snarky voice

Once again, it's D4. I'd prefer something more than a random vote. If the vote on me is well reasoned, I'd be happier as it'd be more committal to a stance.

Yep. Has been speculated.

I'll support SW. Unvote; Vote: Kise. Fake DN scumtell, DN ultimately unlikely to have been scum, raiderNobodywagon discredited to an extent.

I mostly understand this but...do you think there are indeed two nobodies left?

I don't see why we're not lynching Flareonage.

I'm on the fence at this point. If he puts up, we won't have to shut him up.

Post 3338: Now, you see, stuff like this is a good start. Please, continue. If you can use in game evidence to support your theory we might get somewhere :p

Unfortunately it appears to have been disproven. But...I am leaning that Flare is less likely to be nobody scum anyway.

SW's SK theory is...somewhat ok but the fact that there are two scum groups and only two kills per night so far would imply that it's not the case.

HOWEVER, there is nothing stopping me from Vote: Kise, because I still do believe he is scum. I'm thinking Heartless at this point, but then I'm not sure who the last nobody is because my other top scum read (raider) is also probably Heartless.

I am perfectly happy with either a Kise or a raider lynch today. Raider is still obvscum I think for the bogus claim. I find it highly unlikely that Scar is scum with so many better choices for Heartless villains. Scar wasn't really directly involved with the Heartless at any point.

There is a lot of fail in this entire post.

Why are you not voting raider, your top pick (or is he at L-1 and I'm stupid?)? Secondly, why do you think raider is heartless even though we were looking at the NOBODY COP'S POSSIBLE BREADCRUMB? Finally, it seems like you are trying to throw away a scum in front of you.

Ah well...dunno what to make of this.

For the time being, I'll kinda back off flare on the fond hope he produces decent content. I'm up for a raider lynch. Don't really understand the case on Kise outside of LAL, and honestly, I think it was too risky a lie for scum to want to try.

[UncertainKitten]

raider9548 isn't blue scum.

The blue scum is DeathNote or Starbuck.

This being said I don't mind voting raider6479 as possible red scum.

unvote, vote: raider9318

Why is raider not blue?

[UncertainKitten]

I think there is 1 Nobody left. Why do you think I think there are 2?

Well, that's part of your case, right? Kise is protecting raider, which would imply they were on the same scumteam, right?

Voting analysis, secret formula, etc.

Nyeh...still...

[UncertainKitten]

But come to think of it, Kise preferring DN is only scummy (the fact that he did, I mean; the way he did it is scummy regardless) if raider is scum. So that's all the more reason to prefer a raider lynch to a Kise lynch.

Right. This makes sense.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm defending somebody I'm voting for...? Where?

I'm not saying this, I'm quoting a case.

[UncertainKitten]

So Iecerint thinks I'm defending raider? Or.. who thinks I'm defending raider? And why?

Iec was proposing a scumtell that only applied were you defending raider.

[UncertainKitten]

I never proposed that scumtell, or I don't think I did. I think you misread the post where I was making the switch from raider to Kise.

It read like you did when I first brought it up.

[UncertainKitten]

Yep. Has been speculated.

I'll support SW. Unvote; Vote: Kise. Fake DN scumtell, DN ultimately unlikely to have been scum, raiderNobodywagon discredited to an extent.

Yeah, you did dispute it but you still drew the conclusion raider should be lynched first so it's all good.

[UncertainKitten]

Nothing to do with Kise defending scumfriendraider. But K.

That I also misread. I get you now. The way you phrased it was as if all three points were against him.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah. It was 2 points against Kise, and then a point that made the raider wagon less interesting.

This is clear now.

Either way, looking for a vote count so I can vote raider safely.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah. It was 2 points against Kise, and then a point that made the raider wagon less interesting.

This is clear now.

Either way, looking for a vote count so I can vote raider safely.

Why would you vote me and want it to be safe? Its not like I have anything that is not on the table. If you wanted to ask me something I am here. This is really an odd thing to say considering today is stalling and I am voting Ace and just waiting to see if people get on board or lynch me instead. But you are worried about voting me safely...

by safe I mean "not hammering your ass when we still have time to talk more"

I figured this was obvious.

The fun starts here:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 04#1953504

Sup, Kitten

Yeah, too bad I was dead by that point

[UncertainKitten]

So um...what'd I miss? I kinda lost track of this game for a bit...

[UncertainKitten]

RayFrost, King Mickey, Town Reviver, crushed Night 4.

We need to massclaim. Now.

The scum don't have fakeclaims. This has become manifestly obvious. Else Cobalt wouldn't have claimed King Mickey, ne?

I'd like some discussion and agreement with this idea before we start.

[UncertainKitten]

I would be OK with a popcorn-style mass nameclaim. Ability claiming may or may not be necessary or useful.

Nameclaim at the moment should be all we need IMO.

But where to start (assuming the rest of the group weighs in favor of this)

[UncertainKitten]

There's more to it than that:

1. It is odd that you literally claimed the role RF fakeclaimed 1 page after we were joking about it.
2. It is odd (IMO) that you waited this long to use your one-shot investigative ability.
3. It is odd that you were not roleblocked.
4. It is odd that you managed to target one of the 3/13 players whose results would not be useful to us.

Point 1 is even stronger since we know scum lack fakeclaims.

DGB seems to be right on the money with ace

Given that ace is town, I don't find him being shocked at neither of you being roleblocked problematic. I had the same reaction as a party who wasn't involved. So I don't understand why his incredulity was scummy. Can you show me why it was scummy?

Why are you saying ace is town?

I do agree with DGB on ace. I want a VC before I vote.

Also, who's claiming next, Snow?

[UncertainKitten]

Umu...wasn't someone else DiZ? I swear I recall someone else claiming that.

And are we really just claiming willy nilly? Who's next shotty?

[UncertainKitten]

So, Hayker is claiming next, right?

[UncertainKitten]

Also, UncertainKitten you should claim if you're here. I don't think the order of claiming matters unless you're worried about accidently claiming someone else's role

I'm not. the order matters so that scummy people are locked into claims first.

Since apparently no one cares, I'm Jack Skellington.

[UncertainKitten]

Do you wanna provide some flavor?

Two more claims to go

Flavor isn't necessary. Note I only called for a NAMEclaim. Why do you want flavor?

[UncertainKitten]

Everyone else was doing it.

I have no problem with your claim

I don't think Sajin claimed flavor.

Pretty sure a couple others didn't as well.

[UncertainKitten]

It was just a simple question.

I'll post after we get the rest of the name claims

It was assumed you were asking it for a reason. A possibly scummy reason, which eludes me at the moment.

[UncertainKitten]

Holy shit. Fix that, please. ^^;;;

Also, I think Hayker is possibly lying about his claim. There is no one named Aeris in Kingdom Hearts. Her name was corrected to the canon name, which is Aerith, in the Kingdom Hearts franchise. It's possible that Slicey or Hayker messed this up, but it comes up in the bad column IMO.

I was thinking this. Actually, I was wondering if Aerith was even in Kingdom Hearts (been forever since I played)

[UncertainKitten]

[quot="Iec"]
She is. I played it on Hard up to the boss in the first town when I first joined the game, but I kept dying, so I didn't get too far. Aerith was introduced along with Squall Leon and Yuffie. She has a weird sexual tension thing going on with Leon IIRC.
[/quote]


Ah, I see

Aerith is in the first game, dunno about the others.

Aren't you dead?

[UncertainKitten]

@all- Lets assume 2 heartless and 1 nobody remain. Can everyone plug in who they think fits each of these slots? Alternatively, if you think some other variation of scum remain, please list that theory and who you think best fits your theory.

No idea really. But were I to stab out random guesses, Starbuck for Nobody scum, ace/Hayker for Heartless scum.

Alternatively ace/Starbuck heartless, Hayker Nobody. I am compelled by DGB's arguments that ace is heartless.

[UncertainKitten]

@all- Lets assume 2 heartless and 1 nobody remain. Can everyone plug in who they think fits each of these slots? Alternatively, if you think some other variation of scum remain, please list that theory and who you think best fits your theory.

I'd rather not do that until after we get the last claim

It was Sajin's quote.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm currently working on catch up posts and want to be completely caught up with everything that's going on.

Can I have that courtesy please or is that too much to ask?

Right now you need to name claim. Now. That's all. Then you can continue catching up.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh good, I can

Vote Ace

now ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

@Town
ITT Starbuck and UK are invisible. I dislike this. .

Invisible? What do you mean? I mean, yes, I'm hidden. I'm ALWAYS hidden. I also don't see much to comment on, unless I've missed something?

Nothing to say about UK's activity. I havent spotted her online yet.

That's because, once again, I'm hidden.

[UncertainKitten]

Which one is the scum: ace v. starbuck? Or more than one of those?

Were you paying attention at all? You know what? Just ISO me. It's right there in plain script. I'm sick of people asking questions already answered.

You seem overtly defensive UK id pick at it but i fear atm all i would be doing is knit picking. So ill make this brief generally people participate in the games they are in. You have nothing to say re: wolf/ace. Or Sajin's claim? Or anyones claim?

Admittedly, I allowed myself to get irritated at you for screwing up my pronoun despite getting Starbuck's right. Hence my snippy/defensive tone.

Anyway, I've already commented on wolf/ace. Pay attention

Sajin's claim didn't really leave much to comment on. It's not unlikely

What other claims?

[UncertainKitten]

Why?

Last to claim, lack of presence, overall you've been completely not here and when you have been you haven't given us anything to work with. Even now this post seems to be a bunch of "why" "why". Rather than actual stances

[UncertainKitten]

By the way, I really didn't base a question towards you, so I have no idea where this came from.

Did you not ask why under a heading of @UK?

In response to me suspecting you? Unless you can show me how I misinterpretted this, I really don't understand what you are trying to do here.

[UncertainKitten]

On UncertainKitten
I find it hypocritical of her to be so aggressive towards me about my absence when she's been equally as absent.

Bullshit.

I've actually posted POINTS, FAR before you did.

Don't even TRY this

Is this stated somewhere in the rules?

No. It's fucking OBVIOUS to anyone that pays attention to the game. Note what RayFrost flipped. Now note Cobalt Nobody's claim.

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah...

Hayker and UncertainKitten have both been rather silent and not producing substance. The only time you see UK show up is if she's addressed. The last time I played with her was Legacy of the Ancients as town and you couldn't get her to shut up.

Once again,

bullshit

I've been damned active. There have been lulls in my activity because this game is rather boring (large fatigue, etc.), but you DAMN well can't accuse me of this line of..shit

I rather feel that DGB is going out of her way to frame ace. I have caught her in a lie and she is still ignoring my questions to her. Her gambit distracted from anything else potentially going on at that time and I don't feel that ace's reaction is as scummy as she's dramatically playing it out to be.

WHAT lie? And who would she be distracting from?

Dear God can the misrep increase any more!?


wellp, half ready to guess ace/starbuck as a scumteam.

[UncertainKitten]

Wow, overreactions much?

More like "Sick of bullshit misreps across several games"

A double voter? I was a double voter in Legacy of the Ancients and was scum. All the double voter roles I've seen in the mafia games I've played (on and off this site) have all been scum or third party.

I am very, very wary of double voter claims.

What's great is the meta is generally double voter= pro-town

I don't quite understand how your claim translates to making someone a double voter, SW :S?

Or why it failed twice?

As for the lie um...that's basically nitpickery.

[UncertainKitten]

How is it nit pickery when DGB stated she CLAIMED EARLY/IMMEDIATELY when she didn't and HEAVILY/A LOT when she didn't?

Let me put it this way. What GAIN does she get as scum for being slightly wrong about her timing? What gain does she get as town? You're looking for SCUMTELLS, not inconsistency.

Oh wait, you're scum, so you are just looking for bullshit tells ^-^

@FL- Please consider that Cobalt was not trying to survive but rather to get a counter claim. In fact, because of his apparent claim killing power, it would of been to his advantage to get claims on the table and doing what he did would of done that. To make the assumption that scum must have no fake claims because one scum apparently did not use/have one is fallacious. I sure did not forget but perhaps I understood with a grain of salt, fair enough?

There was also Zito's claim. And SSK's claim.

They do not speak of people with fake claims.

[UncertainKitten]

Inconsistency IS a scumtell, my dear.

I can't believe you of all people are trying to say that it's not.

No. Actually, inconsistency tends to be anti town, but not necessarily scummy. Once again, it is the INTENT behind the inconsistency that matters, not the act of it. But it is really easy to point out inconsistency and claim it's scummy. Half the time someone believes you.

I'm curious why you say "me of all people". I don't recall using inconsistency on it's own as a scumtell.

Oh no my dear it isn't.

I have had countless scumbuddies considering "consistency" before making a move, leading me to believe that no players are as consistent as scum.

Wouldn't quite go that far. I think it's at best a null tell.

[UncertainKitten]

Clearly you haven't been in as many scum teams as I. If scum worries about something, it's to appear CONSISTENT.

From my point of view, a player that tries to appear consistent when logic would dictate that they should NOT be, would be scummy.

I actually never think about things like that as scum. I just play as if I'm town. Generally there are enough people who will act stupid so that you can frame them without needing to get clever.

[UncertainKitten]

Alright, does this game still suck?

Ok, even if it does, anything I need to give 5 damns about?

Oh, btw, Slicey...THIS IS WHY I DON'T REPLACE INTO LARGE FUCKING GAMES!

Way too easy to get bogged down and conveniently forget about them.

[UncertainKitten]

Watched Topics ftw, UK?

When you were town in Tar's Legacy of the Ancients game, you were very active and very full of substance. In this game, you are the complete opposite.

Vote: UncertainKitten

There's are three key differences

One. It was a Tar game. Tar games tend to have exemptions to my large games suck rule

Two. I started in that game from the start.

Three. I had a cool role. I obviously do not have one here.

I think you can tell that you can't use that as a rule.

But I love how you are trying to take the easy way out. If I didn't want ace dead first, I'd be voting you for the plentiful reasons you've given

Also. fuck watched topics. Forever.

[UncertainKitten]

So, do you think Sajin is scum, too, or do you think Starbuck is a(nother) GF?

Wait, Sajin cleared starbuck?

Oh dammit. When did that happen?

[UncertainKitten]

Which means that Starbuck could EASILY be heartless godfather. Do you honestly think that one side would have a godfather and the other...wouldn't?

[UncertainKitten]

Uh...yeah? That actually isn't that hard to imagine at all?

To be clear, I wasn't asking you a rhetorical question. I was asking you a straightforward one. No need to be grouchy. Sad

I wasn't being grouchy. I was just rather...surprised that you seemed to think neither possibility was possible. It seemed like you were asking from incredulity...

[UncertainKitten]

You didn't seem to have acknowledged Sajin's result on Starbuck in your post, so I tried to determine whether you'd missed it or felt the way you did in spite of it and, given the latter, whether you thought Sajin was town. That was the point of my question.

Works. Since I did miss his result. But yeah, I think Starbuck could be, and is likely, a GF.

[UncertainKitten]

@UK
Why did you post saying: I hate large games, this is why, blah blah?

Explanation for my lack of activity.

2- Additionally Starbuck is investigated non heartless non nobody.

Which COMPLETELY precludes her from being a godfather amirite?

I can see the failures in it, but there's still possibility of one or the other.

For me, UK isn't playing as she normally does as town. Her sheer lack of substance and general complaints about large games do not sit well with me.

I've posted my substance. I've posted a LOT of substance. Unless you can PROVE I have a lack of substance, claiming as such makes you scummy for misrepping me. As for complaining about large games, I'm merely trying to show you the differences that would cause my meta to switch.

You really can't compare my performance between LotA and this game.

[UncertainKitten]

And why not?

As of late, all you have posted are complaints and things that aren't adding to the game. The difference between how you played as town in LotA and how you are playing here is extremely apparent.

I can't really say much. You, ace, and Hayker are probably the scum. I can't really add anything to this. Your attempts to paint me as scum make me laugh, really.

As for why you can't, I explained that already. or were you not paying attention? I'm sure you can look back a couple pages and find where I posted on that very subject.

[UncertainKitten]

Starbuck has spent most of the game making placeholder posts. When she finally DOES get around to posting substance it's...not. A lot of summary and IIoA with some fake questions thrown in to give the appearance of scumhunting.

DGB, how can she NOT be the heartless Godfather?

[UncertainKitten]

Go look at my original post claiming this. I think I considered it. However, this still means she should not get lynched until LY/LO and we try to lynch a GF first as this could potentially get a clear.

Wanting to lynch her before then is downright scummy.

What do you think of Hayker and Shotty, UK?

Am I voting Starbuck now?

I'm merely calling her as scum. Thanks for the misrep

I have no opinion on Shotty. I didn't even know he was playing, really. Hayker I think is scum.

This is misrepresentation at it's best.

Where in such did I do this?

You accuse me, but provide no evidence.

This will be quite easy when I have a solid amount of time to do this. Suffice it to say, I'll show everyone using an ISO sometime this evening. I have a fair bit to do today.

[UncertainKitten]

Town Bulletproof.

That's serialkilleriffic.

You beat me to it. Starbuck is indeed guaranteed innocent of being nobody or heartless though, since both godfathers are dead.

But, Slicey plays in Tar games. I guarantee he was influenced by that.

And I claimed on D2, Sajin. Pay attention

I'm a vanilla townie. I name claimed whenever I called for it, as Jack Skellington.

Got all that?

I think I need to look at both Shotty and DGB's voting history/ISOs.

Namely, how many Red scum they've both been on.

But, that's liable to happen Monday, since I have a lot to do today and a decent bit tomorrow.

[UncertainKitten]

UKitten - I pushed both the MafiaSSK lynch and the ace5409 lynch like my house was on fire. I pushed on ace5983, who was the Godfather, thinking he was my roleblocker.

The SSK lynch was foolish NOT to push, regardless of alignment. the ace lynch was fenceish and you did get it in the long run, so it's worth looking at

As I said, I have to look at both of you at some point when I have solid time.

[UncertainKitten]

@DGB - Why did you ask for my flavor and not Shotty's or UK's?

Also, this:

Nice try, you can only play that card so many times DGB. When I flip town who will be your roleblocker next?

And I claimed on D2

, Sajin. Pay attention

I'm a vanilla townie. I name claimed whenever I called for it, as Jack Skellington.

Got all that?

You said you claimed on D2, and I've been reading through you in iso and I can't find it.

Day 2 Started on December 20th and Day 2 ended on December 26th. No where in your iso between those dates is a claim.

So your snarkiness towards Sajin is unwarranted here due to the fact that you DID NOT claim on Day 2. Why are you lying?

You sure I didn't? Because I could have sworn I did in response to DGB. I'll check it myself.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: Derp! It would have been Day

three

I claimed. I apologize for my confusion.

I also love how you IMMEDIATELY assume I'm lying .

[UncertainKitten]

Oh hey, rereading I found DGBs direct friggen claim on D3.

That wasn't a breadcrumb, that was a friggen loaf or whatever.

And I also was wrong.

I have never claimed, despite me thinking I had.

So, therefore, let me do so now. Jack Skellington, Vanilla.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: Derp! It would have been Day

three

I claimed. I apologize for my confusion.

I also love how you IMMEDIATELY assume I'm lying .

Not really an assumption when you said that you claimed on Day 2 and you didn't.

Lying implies intent my dear.

It was not my intent to be inaccurate. I made a mistake.

Oh yeah, bonus points for trying to rile me up. Only reason you'd directly accuse someone of lying when the situation obviously was an honest mistake is to rile them up so they'll make mistakes.

this is not town behavior, Starbuck. You have a free pass til we finish off the heartless and find out that you're an SK. I'd advise at least showing a semblance of towniness before that time arrives.

And how do you mean flavor, DGB? I mean, it's basically the same as it is in kingdom hearts, and also mentions the kingdom hearts two plotline, so we definitely know the game has elements from KH II.

But, I'm involved in both Halloween and Christmas towns. Not sure if I should really say anymore flavor wise cause I don't know what I'm skirting here.

Either way I have no abilities so yeah.

[UncertainKitten]

I love your assumptions in return. You said to Sajin in a rather snarky tone that he better pay attention because you claimed on Day 2.

So I was wrong. It happens.

I don't find your "why are you lying" question pro town in the slightest. I find it scummy because it's intentionally trying to paint me with a motive that doesn't exist.

Let me put it this way. If I WERE intentionally lying, what do I gain as scum? I'd already claimed Jack Skellington several times (that I do know, since I claimed it during the name claim). And if I were trying to buy time, wouldn't I claim something OTHER than vanilla?

And as a huge Jack Skellington and NBC fan, this is just plot summary from the movie...

And? I was asked for flavor. I provided it.

Give it up. I'm town. Deal with it.

In fact, rather than tunneling on me and getting nowhere,

how about you actually scumhunt, miss serial killer?

[UncertainKitten]

Vote Shotty

Was planning to do that sooner but yeah.

[UncertainKitten]

Hey...DGB...why you gotta be like that, saying the things I want to before I say them? I've been thinking, and it seems Flareonage has ONLY BEEN PROVIDING FLAVOR, and not really any...you know...real scumhuntery.

I really don't feel like ISOing him, but if I must I will.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, despite the fact he hasn't posted for 8 days, and all but like, three of his posts are flavor, Flare looks a-ok.

Oh wait, those are some pretty big things.

I'd like to see more posts of substance from him.

Now.

[UncertainKitten]

Yay WIFOM!

[UncertainKitten]

She claimed Bulletproof. That is all we need

Vote: Starbuck

[UncertainKitten]

But I am a bulletproof.

I note the word

town

does not appear here. Even if you said it earlier.

You can EASILY be a bulletproof and an SK. Hell, it's quite likely. It's a Tar Standard Tell at this point.

Guess what mod plays Tar games?

[UncertainKitten]

I would like to point out that Flare actually hasn't produced much CONTENT, just flavor analysis. Doesn't that sound like IIoA? If Starbuck somehow ISN'T the play, Flare probably is.

[UncertainKitten]

This game. Is it still being played?

[UncertainKitten]

Thats the basic summary. Also I have an investigated town on Starbuck. And the dead town DGB claimed a track of nowhere on UK on a night where cut in to pieces happened.

Correction. You

specifically said

that Starbuck was neither a nobody nor a heartless.

THIS DOES NOT EQUAL TOWN!

Starbuck is probably the SK and if there is not an amazing response of some kind pointing out a bunch of things I missed I am probably going to vote that direction.

Oh, ok.

[UncertainKitten]

I am indeed mostly confirmed by a track result., and I think Sajin is mostly confirmed given the RF/Sajin interestion. Iec I'd lean as being more confirmed than you or Starbuck.

[UncertainKitten]

Hmm. Well, I'd guess Starbuck was just a double immune SK. Go figure.

[UncertainKitten]

YAY! WE WON!

And I survived to endgame once again.

UK the unlynchable continues her reign of terror!

(I am totally getting D1 policy lynched some day just to get me to shut up about how hard it is to lynch me)

[UncertainKitten]

Can we be friends now, Miss Kitten?

And congrats to CMAR for his first win on the site.

Sure. we won, so yeah.

[UncertainKitten]

This seems familiar, Slicey

So... let me check to see what Sajin can do:

doc protect

cop investigation (sanity guaranteed?)

role block

redirect

invent

randomize

bus

role inspect

motivate

turn emo? (-1 vote to lynch)

Or did Ray suggest that? Either way, TTGL LIVES!

Snow White and FL both know I have never lost the game as a pro town informational role on site ever.

I actually didn't know this.

[UncertainKitten]

I also have to give a huge thanks to UncertainKitten, who really didn't want to replace in, but did so anyway.

I find it hilarious that no matter what my alignment was, I told you like three times that I would not read the first 70 pages, and then said that first thing when I replaced in .

But yeah, no problem, but I'm sure you all noticed that I wasn't very helpful. It's harder for me to have really solid opinions with lots of players :S.

[UncertainKitten]

UK also did a good job finding scum, but was not vocal enough about it.

I did? I thought I was rather follow the leader after my initial D2 read :S. Well, thank you. I do tend to second guess myself and not push cases.

Overall, it seemed to be a good game. A nice refresher from the usual role madness games I play and mod.

[UncertainKitten]

I suppose that is important as well. I feel better when I actually pave the way to scum. That, to me, is more true scumhunting. Ah well, I'll keep practicing in minis. It seems when there are more than 12 players my brain shuts down.