The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)
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2733 in and of itself would be enough for me to lynch, just sayin'.
I'm still calling grandiose shenanigans on Sajin. In fact I'm more than a little preturbed at the dispersion effect from the mod influence which was very, very careful to say nothing about anything.
We're approaching that whole "drag factor" that I absolutely do NOT want to happen.
VP, babycakes, I get what SC was TRYING to do (even though it was silly in most cases) and I really think he's town that's doing a bad job explainin' it.-
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2745 also just moved way up the kill list for the "Learn to Read" gambit.
Now, like I said Dram is fine and all but this rats leaving the sinking ship I would love to have reasons for Sajin being AOK (Hint: Claim isn't a good reason).-
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The Learn to Read is pretty much a staple from what I've seen. Nothing like fighting a semantic battle with snapback comments when its much easier and much more productive to simply illustrate where they are actively and purposefully being wrong (if you think the attack is scummy) or simply say "nah, this is how it went down."Stark wrote:Foiled again. The "Learn to Read" gambit is a staple in every scum's scum tool box.
I'm glad we're on the same strategic level. I see you.
But why don't you explain to everyone who missed the boat what the "Learn to Read" gambit is...
The snipe is hyperdefensive and unnecessary.
Kise & Plum jumped to mind.Stark wrote: Who exactly are the rats that you don't want to talk to?
Nope. Not even a bit.SC wrote: You don't believe Sajin, Spy? I do. Also - what's with the 'lets bandwagon the guy we suspect the most' strategy? Seems like a recipe to lose info from a lynch..
I'm not sure what you're aiming for with the other bit but I'll explain (note Sajin was scummy before the nice beautiful list but this just was icing on the cake):
We're looking at a fat case of always the bridesmaid here. When you see a fairly standard dispersement of second choices (the only other spike being SB which makes a LOT more sense) but Sajin has a spike there - yea.
I'm pretty sure Sajin is scum. Further, I'd eat all the hats if at LEAST one of the 5 that said he was the silver or bronze doesn't also flip scum (OHH SHI THERE IS SIX BUT I AM ONE KEKEKE).
Most of the other spreads make sense with whats going on from a cursory view but scummy + bizarro land votes = happy SpyreX for lynchin'.
And to end on a happy note:
Fixed that up for yaVP wrote:This, exactly. Iwould have beenwill be on Spyrex like white on riceif I thought he was taking credit for my night actionbecause he's so handsome and dashing.-
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First off I'm a little miffed at you PZ - I REALLY didn't want you to claim since it was a bit obvious you were cop and I was hoping to sneak another day out of you before the big boomer. I dig though.
I threw a Red Potion over to VP.
I was also informed that my Yellow potion expired.
Now, I'm trying to weigh what flipped scum said in relation to the night actions. Tubby doesn't make sense as a scum partner when, if we lynched milk and it WAS SK then it'd be a slam dunk on a partner.
I need to give this game some look at what dramonic was saying love.
However, once again, like at Sajin in relation to dramonic's claim yesterday.-
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? Tubby would have hid behind a non-town role if milk is SK, no?
Yea, we could do massclaim today methinks. I dont care WHO starts it lets just not take an eon getting it donw.-
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No srsly, cult leader?
And there was some other bomb you had to drop?
(Note, with the cop getting killed the chances of there being a doc are low so you may want to spill thine guts / massclaim today)-
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I want tubby lynched. The cult issue scares me - my only trepidation would be if this is lylo and an elaborate gambit (but with this many left that makes minimal sense).
Sajin and SB also have the short end of the rope as far as I'm concerned.-
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I believe stark (I assumed that was what the white powder statement was about).
I, again, am vehemently saying that we need the massclaim today and need to work this out. Our cop claimed. Then died. We do NOT have protective roles. We have 5 of 16 players not claimed.
Further, since I believe stark we're at day 4 with a cult. This needs to be parsed out and lynched (I'm a little weary of the fact that looking at our high profile deaths none of them were culted)-
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One potion a night. I've given up on there being ANY correlation between colors and what they do.
If I were to get my cult hat in a large game I'd be recruiting a mix:
- players that are active and not scummy (volkan)
- players that aren't going to die (SB)
- (depending on mechanics) players that have a high chance of being kill protected and useful (Zito)
OR, of course
- players that have role information to out me (stark, Plum, Vaya)
As it sits I don't know what the hell. With the swath that has been stomped out with no flips we're in bad shape if this is a normal cult.-
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Because Stark is living on borrowed time. And, of course, if he's lying he will get found out from team mason-rolecops.
And, of course, the fact that I believe him. Even the weirdness with the white powder makes sense.
I'll give you that I would have investigated tubby. Or mentioned it sooner. Both of those things bother me a lot.
However, I'm totally not diggin the jive of "kill the cop to confirm the scum"
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Tubby is going up the tree today. Stark can be dealt with. Sajin still needs to go a danglin'.
I, again, am in favor of the massclaim.-
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Stupid potions. I give the bad one to a scummy player and they get "a cop" and I give a nice one to a clean player and it roleblocks them.
Not knowing what my role does is very vexing to say the least.
I went back and did a cursory on VP and him not having an er role and his avoidance of the er issue (for the most part) make sense.
And the reluctance with SC yesterday. And everything else. I approve.
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Reading dramonic again after the flip is kinda hilarious.
NOTE TO SELF: Push on people for things more (iso 19).
Dram pushes for DN over Stark (iso 21)
He did the fake kill on SB (28)
Says in favor of an RC policy lynch but that it'll be unnecessary (32), also that he's just abrasive (37)
Tries to call DGB out for protecting KK (56)
These little gems (61 - note, 61 MAY need a fuller read because I bet we can find some serious delicious there)
Sajin: Slight town. His play is similar to what I've seen him do as town. His play is weird though...
Q1) Earlier you were defending Stark and now you're pursuing him. What happened in-between that I seem to have missed?Rosso Carne: Town, I don't like his playstyle, I don't like his interacting, but I'm pretty certain he's town (probably the same reason as... KK I think?)
Q1) Would you be nice enough to actually give your opinion on the current situation?
And, just so we have it (because I think this is going to be a rosetta stone):stark: VI, but not for the reasons surrounding DN's "is council town?". His other posts aren't protown either. He directly refused to scumhunt when asked. I feel him more VI than scum though, I've seen the exact same behaviour from a few VIs.
Q1) Are you planning to eventually do something about your lack of pro-town post?
We get a scum-scum interaction that seems weird (65):Town: Stark, RC, Milkshake
Very Town: Tajo
Fairly Town: SpyreX, SB, Kmd, Volkan
Slightly Town: Plum, Llama, Sajin
Neutral: Vaya, Cicero, VP, Sociopath, KK
Slightly Scum: Tubby, BM
Fairly Scum: Bm, Kise
Quite Scum: DGB, Cass
Very Scum: Kaleidoscope, Alvinz
A simple shoutout with no push either way to BM (68)@KK: I've read your case agaisnt SB and I am honestly not convinced. I have never completed a game where there was a miller, but I'm pretty sure you're overworking this on one situation that worked well for you. Also, yes, just like the hugger.
DING DING (86)- SB is NOT scum - Unless they're living on a level much higher than me, bussing immediately after a scum NK doesn't seem too smart.85, again, is a weird post:
Now, when you guys are done biting each other's head off the use of cold hard logic would be nice.
PZ: we have no decent proof of the er/other split (and sculptor is town)
DGB: There are multiple reasons SB could be against claiming her new ability/whatever. If she's town its WIFOM for the scum.
VP:Following a note likely given by the scum isnt exactly the best idea. Why would KK know these things anyway?
SB: Can you confirm that what happened to you is related to the potion?
More coming when im not typing on a wii...
Again, (100) - Benmage is probably not scum.
Another tie to RossElmo in (111)
Again, I don't see chamber as a bus (114) although (121) has scum requesting rain and then it actually raining.
Dram was pushing on tubby lynch AND saying to suspect plum (127). Not sure what this one means in the grand scheme of things.
Milk MIGHT have been a bus. That whole section needs some deeper analysis my tired bones just don't have in me.
Another drop on chamber (174). That one has me itchy.
177 bares repeating:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 189:VP, I can understand the huge list is made to take the town's pulse and all, but I hope you're not planning to direct the lynches with that. I mean, there are at the very least 2 factions who want the town dead, it's easily tampered with.
Yea. Sajin scum. Milk, no.Considering
Sajin has 1-4-2
Milk has 4-1-4
Why are the votes piling on Sajin? I agree he deserves to be lynched, but I don't think he should be prioritized...
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Base end results of grandiose read 1a:
Scum:
Sajin
Elmo
Scummy:
Stark
BM
Probably Not Scum:
Benmage
SB
Milk
If someone feels AWESOME they should also do a namedrop. However, yea. Scum found. Toot toot.-
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He was on your wagon after it looked like due to mod issues that you were going up the rope.Sajin wrote:@Spyrex- I think scum wanted to get rid of the other kill and this had far less to do with me. Your ignoring the fact that dramonic was on my wagon and trying to use a statement that shows he was going after the other kill to convince others he was defending me. What are your thoughts on Plum and Battlemage?
He stayed there because the other wagon was HIM.
Plum only bothers me because Plum has not-playing-itis.
BM has been bothersome most of the game - if tubby DOES flip cult I would go that way.
Although I'm having real issues with the cult - SK, Mafia AND Cult?-
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Cop is dead. Half-Doc claimed without this MYSTERIOUS MYSTERY.
Considering the AWESOME we've seen thus far you've just raised the stakes enough that you better start working on something truly amazing because this is 2 kool for skool.-
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Go go gadget catchup post.
Kise - Geezer. Fits with earlier business. HOWEVER, I'm putting a huge * because ultimately that is a role that now isn't going to be killed AND thusly (due to play) I'm not comfortable around at lylo. So, yea.
Elmo - Lo and behold, still no claim.
Benmage - Boilmaker. With boils.
Couple questions:
1.) Who was the N2 on?
2.) How does the rule read? Is it "Their vote will count as half." or "Their vote is halved." (as specific as you can be).
I, too, tend to agree that both of the voting manipulations will not be town (needless to say my money is on Elmo).
Battlemage - Lo and behold, still no claim.
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There's some flavor issues I'm trying to wrap my head around (which I'm wondering if its all a red-herring).
The scum in the OP are "The Converters" (Named after its leader). Now, that sure makes one think cult when one thinks about it. HOWEVER, Stark's claim is "The Cult of the Goma". Note, not the Dark Goma. And, I don't think I've seen the term Goma referred to by itself...ever. Which makes me worry.
After the final claims (and I'm prepping if someone wants to be a helper) - I'd love to see ALL the claims in one post so we can compare and contrast some things.
Further, I think there's gonna be a cost-benefit on some lynches today. With all the pieces out it'll be interesting to see whats up.-
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Needless to say I think we're ALSO missing some actual NAME claims from those that have claimed.
@Ben: I thought you said N2 the mod auto did it hence the ?.
And if its "Their vote will count as half" the argument COULD be made that it is "half a vote" not "half of what their vote currently counts as" which would eliminate ANOTHER role screwing around with the VC-
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[mrow] [col]Player [col]Name [col]Ability
[col]Tubby [col]The Happy Hoppy Fuzzy Bunny [col]Hider [col]Vaya [col color=red]NO NAME [col]Mason Rolecop [col]Battle Mage [col color=red]NO NAME [col color=red]NO CLAIM [col]VP Baltar [col]The Master of Cloth [col]Protection from Strangulation [col]SpyreX [col]The Alchemist [col]Wacky Wild Potions [col]milkshake [col color=red]NO NAME [col]Sanitizer [col]Snow_Bunny [col]The Beggar [col]Miller [col]Benmage [col]The Boilmaker [col]Votebreaker [col]SocioPath [col]The Causer of Weep [col]RB [col]Sajin [col]The Unknown [col]???? [col]LlamaFluff [col color=red]NO NAME [col color=red]NO CLAIM [col]Chamber [col]The Flurry [col]Weather Control [col]Plum [col color=red]NO NAME [col]Mason Rolecop [col]Kise [col]The Geezer [col]Post-Death Vote Manipulator [col]Elmo [col color=red]NO NAME [col]Doublevoter [col]Stark [col]The Seeker [col]Cult Cop
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I know its asking the world btu I'd really like to see that list above withuot all those filthy reds in it.
@Ben:
I'm both believing your claim AND thinking you're town (although still baffled at the wait, but whatevs).
What are the chances of two roles manipulating Elmo in the same way? I HAVE to assume that it "makes a vote a half" versus "halving a vote".-
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Welp, thats about what I expected.
Clears up a theory as well.
I'm about totally down with a BM lynch if he doesn't deliver. As well as Plum confirming her name AND Elmo giving theirs.
My god the end is in sight.-
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So, I'm assuming the extent of your abilities (at the wonder twins) is the shared rolecop. (as neither of you mentioned anything about that in your claims).
And SB is a Pulper - that turns apples into oranges. And ? found a crate full of apples. How does that work? Ability active? Did you have to hunt for apples? Were you GIVEN apples? Etc etc.-
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[mrow] [col]Player [col]Name [col]Ability
[col]Tubby [col]The Happy Hoppy Fuzzy Bunny [col]Hider [col]Vaya [col]The Younger [col]Mason Rolecop [col]Battle Mage [col color=red]NO NAME [col color=red]NO CLAIM [col]VP Baltar [col]The Master of Cloth [col]Protection from Strangulation [col]SpyreX [col]The Alchemist [col]Wacky Wild Potions [col]milkshake [col]The Calmer [col]Sanitizer [col]Snow_Bunny [col]The Pulper [col]Miller / Apples-Oranges [col]Benmage [col]The Boilmaker [col]Votebreaker [col]SocioPath [col]The Causer of Weep [col]RB [col]Sajin [col]The Unknown [col]???? [col]LlamaFluff [col]The Baker [col]Protection from Wounds [col]Chamber [col]The Flurry [col]Weather Control [col]Plum [col]The Elder [col]Mason Rolecop [col]Kise [col]The Geezer [col]Post-Death Vote Manipulator [col]Elmo [col color=red]NO NAME [col]Doublevoter [col]Stark [col]The Seeker [col]Cult Cop
Mod: Prod Elmo (and BM if you can)
@Twins: Thank you! (although I have my questions anywho but we'll see)-
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So is that whole business about the apples and oranges a total joke (yea, at this point I have no sarcasm detector for a miller that I wouldn't bat an eye if we lynched)-
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So, this is a role with a power that does nothing within the confines of the game. Sweeet.
I'm gonna have to reread - I SWEAR there was something I saw yesterday? about the twins that made me think they had other powers too. Hmmm.
(I really didn't want to reread)
(This game is a little rediculous with all the words)
(Its only day 4)
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BM simply isn't around. Which is awesome. (Note, for serious, rebels will be dealt with by the strong arm of the empire. No claim = execute order 66)
That said, we've got enough information to play the game of:
LETS PICK A LYNCH!
1.) Tubby
--- Bad claim.
--- I mean SERIOUSLY bad claim.
--- A flip of not "Happy bunny" directly means one of, if not both, the wonder twins are scum.
--- A flip of cult means that BM is getting power lynched.
----- It also means stark is p sweet.
--- A flip of hider is
--- He's asked to die. Silver Rule.
2.) Stark
--- A Seeker town flip does directly mean there is a cult.
--- ANYTHING but a town flip (sans cult) means we can disregard worries about said cult and progress forward.
--- Killing a cop to prove the cult doesn't exist leaves a BAD taste in ones mouth.
3.) Sajin
--- He's pretty much scum.
--- Does NOT resolve the issues like 1 or 2.
4.) Elmo
--- Yea, banking on scum again.
--- Does, again, NOT resolve the issues like 1 or 2.
--- Does all but give us a cleared Benmage.
My money is heavy on tubby. I want to see if there are any other major ideas for today (notice that Milk and SB are NOT on that list).-
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If I see him onsite, or post in this game without claiming I will TURN THIS BUS AROUND.
There is a CHANCE tubby is town. If he pulls that maneuver there is absolutely no way BM is town.
Not to mention that killing cult is just as important for the scum as for the rest of us. We end up killing BM for not playing in our reindeer games and he's cult, tubby should bite the bullet too. One way or another.-
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Just so we're clear - I'm definitely not sold on BM being a Tracker. Thus, I want BM to claim his Track BEFORE anyone else gives him ammo.
Then, yes, we'll look at who the RB was and the doc protections (as well as other CRAZINESS).-
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Team of three seems WAY low for a setup this size - unless there's two teams and we've managed to kill one (SWISH doubt it).
I'd bank on one scum team with probably 2 more members.
I do agree, to an extent, with both Vaya and Stark btw.
All things hinge on BM-
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Patience is a virtue. We now have a thread. To dance upon like children of yesteryear.
Ohhh SP, come on in and state:
a.) If BM is telling the truth.
b.) WHAT would possess you to roleblock a doctor?-
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Actually at this point that is kinda locked in. We can do our Night Actions (unless I'm missing something key in which case tell me) as we post.
I KNOW mine doesn't affect anything so:
I gave the Sandy potion to Plum.-
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