Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game Over!

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SC, let's suppose that Cobalt may be scum. I could agree with that.

Do you think SSK could be fakeclaiming town?

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SSK is not the only player in this game, @ ace. ^^ Agreed with the substance of what you've got, though.

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So, I'm back from holiday with the family.

Ordinarily, I would stick with the SSK shot because Cobalt's ability could work something like a nerfed dayvig. For example, suppose Cobalt used his ability the same way that I have mine. He would functionally guarantee the town an extra lynch in the event of a would-be mislynch. On the other hand, Kdub's claimed "lying about the claim" on Cobalt makes his lynch most informative and increases the chance that Cobalt is scum. It also makes me feel a little warm inside to kill my modkiller.

Kill: Cobalt

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The VC will reset after the kill, assuming it works the same as D1. Do not quicklynch SSK. Let's ruminate a bit.

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Told ye he was my modkiller. Now I feel validated.

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D1 allusion, UK. Check the first few posts of my iso to get 40% of the story.

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Also, you, iecerint, sir chris, and gorrad are all people that I would find difficult, if not impossible, to hide from if I was scum (assuming you are town, ofc). I also think you lot are town.

What on earth is the point of this comment? You have made it twice.

I think SSK/Hayker/UK (off the top of my head) are more likely to be scum of some sort than DeathNote. I think Cobalt was just lazily anti-town/lurker-hunting D1, which is what I called him out on D1. If DN is scum, I don't think he's scum with Cobalt.

You may be able to get some insight on Cobalt's partners -- or at least rule some out -- by looking at my mini-wagon on him D1.

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I imagine that Plum breadcrumbed her N1 result. We also have SSK/Gorrad and Cobalt to look for connections.

I think we particularly need to look at DGB. I could see her being Roxas-Nobody with Gorrad. But I'm not certain.

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I am unimpressed with DGB's assertion that she was supertown for "busing" two caughtscum in a circumstance where she could hardly have bussed only one (though I do seem to recall someone having done precisely that, hard as it is to believe), and I am unimpressed with her suggestion that DN is a Nobody with Cobalt for the same reason I indicated when she brought this up yesterday. (Didn't she backpedal a bit when I said as much yesterday, or am I misremembering that?)

Vote: DrippingGoofball

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Pay close attention, there's someone out there that distanced from one buddy, and supported the other. Possibly distanced from Cobalt, and supported Gorrad as GF, but that's not set in stone.

I can think of one player this reminds me of.

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No more free lynches from me. Sorry. All gone.

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I cannot shoot today to my knowledge.

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SSK dies, we lynch joe afterward.

AFTER BUS'ING Cobalt ALL GAME!

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As much as I'd hate to admit it, that is actually extremely troubling.

Pressure votes aren't just to get claims. In fact, they're almost never to get claims. They're to encourage a player to play the game and are effective inasmuch as they are often symptomatic of genuine irritation that morphs into intent to lynch.

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Why can't DGB be a Nobody? I dun get it.

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I saw your prior request; I haven't ignored it. I made a sample claim and PM'd it to the Mod to ensure it doesn't paraphrase too closely.

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That was amazingly specific about DGB. Why did you just say DGB could br Roxas right out of the blue?

I missed this. If you'll recall to the time just after Discode's darkness-related Miller claim, Roxas and Riku were the two likely roles people mentioned. In the eventuality that DGB is Roxas, I thought there was a good chance he could be with the Nobodies.

RF claiming PZ is 100% scum is good enough for me.

Unvote; Vote PapaZito

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This may or may not be 100% full, but it is as 100% full as is reasonable to communicate -- "I am Captain Jack Sparrow, Town Two-Shot Day Vigilante. I was greedy, so I'm cursed (flavor only). I can only shoot twice because someone stole my other bullets (presumably also flavor only)."

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Nice questions for RF.

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I would make a funny face at you for that, but the chance of you being scum with PZ is realistically very low.

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I think the most likely result of RF elaborating would be giving remaining scum information they don't need. If RF is wrong, he dies tomorrow 100% IMO. The only reason we should reevaluate is if PZ comes out and claims Miller, in which case I certainly wish he'd have been responsible and done so D1, etc.

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RF -- if it turns out that PZ is a non-mafia Nobody, I will be very cross with you.

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The 'd bit is a little odd, I must admit. But I don't think he needs to explain.

PZ, do you think RF is scum, or that she is simply mistaken?

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You have a feminine avatar, so it's a constant struggle to get your sex right. I do the same thing to Vaya.

PZ, also, I don't see why you're complaining about waiting for confirmation. Hell, I would wait several pages to mention an investigation, anyway, to observe scum behavior pre and post revelation.

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OK, well, then you have an effeminate avatar.

Dun be so sensitive.

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He could be declining to explain because he doesn't want to make it easier for you to fakeclaim.

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That, too.

See, PZ? There are all kinds of explanations.

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I dunno. I think I'd have been more aggressive than that if I'd gotten a guilty on someone. But I'm not very subtle.

It seems like we're better served hunting Heartless at this point. If a Nobody even remains, it is reasonably likely he doesn't have a nightkill. Then again, there've been lots of appearing-and-disappearing kill flavors, so I suppose he may still have one.

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EBWOP: Nevermind. I missed the double kill flavor. That converts it to very likely that a Nobody exists. It also makes it slightly more likely that raider is that Nobody, since Kdub's comment definitely would've jumped out to raider. On the other hand, it's not clear why he survived last night.

I suspect that each of the various villains may have their own kill flavor, then. Otherwise there's just way too much to go around.

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I meant Kdub and last last night. Because he found Cobalt 2 days ago IIRC.

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IIOA means "Information instead of analysis." It means a player is giving information about mafia theory or flavor instead of talking about the game specifically. For example, this post has so far been IIOA.

I assume you're asking because Hayker was often accused of it. It's because of those KH flavor posts he made, coupled with him not having done much of anything else.

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I remember ace giving me stomach cramps awhile ago.

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Um. I'm going to assume that DN's secret scumtell is more significant than DGB's or anyone else's?

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I like ace's post. My stomach cramps are weakened a little bit.

Agree with DGB about Kise's post 100%.

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Also, I miss Sajin.

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Fun!

Unvote; Vote: Kise.

Kise, if you wanna take back or more clearly confirm your RB on DGB, that would not hurt my feelings.

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Yeah, I already mentioned that. That's why there's probably still a Nobody out there, or an anti-town 4th party.

I just read Kise in iso and am reasonably happy with the vote. I've only played with him in one other game, though (Grimm's Pokemon mafia). He was obvscum there (and no one believed me ), but I get the impression he may be a sorta scummy player.

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Yeah. The Nobodies probably have to change their kill flavor because they're the ones who're in bad shape. Heartless can send the same relatively tame Heartless each night.

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6. Kdub, Roxas, Town Nobody Cop, crushed and cut to pieces Night 3

Crushed+Cut. Nobody liked Kdub very much last night. If DGB is telling the truth about being roleblocked, it is impossible that she is a Nobody (unless there are 5). She may be Heartless, though.

I thought your face implied that you were gleefully responsible for the roleblock on DGB. I understand what you meant by it now, though.

I get a bad feeling from your posts, is all. You were also one of the players who favored SSK over Cobalt (may mean nothing), and your weird early-game votes for Shotty and DN (and subsequent unvote for the latter) sorta rub me the wrong way. There are other wrong things, too, but I don't want to elaborate too much because a lot of it is gonna suffer from confirmation bias.

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Raider's comeback post is not very good.

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Hmm. Well. Is this based on something official, a secret scumtell, or none of those? Or you prefer not to say?

I don't want to lynch DN and then have you claim that you misinterpreted your information or something.

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Fair enough.

Unvote; Vote: DeathNote.

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Since the Heartless aren't really Heartless (so far), but are rather Disney villains, the SK's probably Xehanort's Heartless if anyone. But the fact that DGB is Riku-Ansem makes that a little weird.

I bet Oogie Boogie is responsible for the cut-into-pieces flavor. [/outguess]

DGB, does your role imply in any way that you may be able to evolve beyond your current form?

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Oh, Kise, you were also one of the players who got all freaked out by my gun flavor. Not sure whether you or Gorrad went there first.

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That's so sad. You're doomed to look like a sort of ugly tranny for the rest of your days.

lol. Googling "Riku-Ansem" returns a slash community as the first hit. XD

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Sephiroth's possible, but he's a really minor character. It'll hurt my feelings a little if Xehanort's Heartless isn't included. Or if he replaces Maleficent.

Is there anyone who thinks that Kise is scum and DN isn't? Also, is this a prod-by-request-only game? If so,

Prod Deathnote

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I'm not an expert on flavor (and it's frankly confusing enough that I wouldn't be surprised if Slicey messed it up a little), but as I understand it:

Xemnas (Gorrad) is Xehanort's Nobody. He's the leader of Organization XIII (the Nobodies) and the main villain of KH2.

A figure called "Ansem" for most of KH1 is actually Xehanort's Heartless. He's the main villain of KH1, but is largely behind-the-scenes. He ultimately possesses Riku, but I think the Riku-removes-blindfold bit is after Riku has largely triumphed over Ansem on account of help received from King Mickey. (Correct me if I'm wrong on that point.)

The real Ansem is by-and-large a nice man. He's the guy who calls himself DiZ in COM and KHII. His apprentices (including Xehanort) trap him in a nasty place and use his research for nefarious ends.

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DTM, a couple of your comments are directed at posts that were corrected. DGB mistakenly believed that the Nobodies had not sent a kill last night, but they actually (probably) did send a kill last night. I clarified/corrected myself on last night -> last last night in my subsequent post.

I hadn't noticed the Nobody exploding. That's a good point. Ah well.

Hayker was replaced. He's MME now.

There is no defense you could come up with anyway aside from "you're lying". The info I have is mutually exclusive with your claim of King Mickey. For all intents and purposes today, you can assume my info is the equivalent of "you are not King Mickey".

There are a couple of Kdub quotes that would suffice, but this is one of the clearer ones.

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Oh, sorry. Hayker and joe are sort of the same character in my brain. It's hard for me to separate them. <_<

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That was an awfully quick catch for someone who's reading page 48. O.o

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Uh. Yes. ^^;

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Side-question: How do Janitors usually work? Do they alter the appearance of a player's alignment and rolename, or do they just hide them?

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Kise, remind me what you think about raider.

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Kise, remind me what you think about raider.

There was no need for DC to claim Miller or to otherwise claim responsibility for the modscene if he'd been recruited.

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EBWOP: True story about DTM being obvtown, though. Pretty much the only way he could be non-town is if SSK engineered that N1, but I don't think janitors usually work that way.

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Just doublechecked the killscene flavor. It's highly unlikely that SSK was involved IMO.

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Of course. It's not really a secret. Anyone who read D2 should be able to understand it.

What I was saying is that the only way DTM could possibly be Heartless is if SSKjanitor had above-and-beyond the norm abilities. Like, rewriting roles and alignments rather than hiding them. But I think that probably would've been reflected in the flavor, and it wasn't.

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If you still think I've misunderstood something, please enlighten me. All I know about the janitor role is what I read on the wiki.

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So...your information on DN isn't 100% fullproof, after all?

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Not explicitly, no, he didn't. But I think the secret tell must be pretty extreme, or he wouldn't have sacrificial idol'd himself like that.

Ah well, whatever. I think raider's scummy, anyway. <_<

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I'm pretty sure there's space for me on the wagon innit.

Unvote; Vote: raider

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Shotty rubs me the wrong way, but I think the case on raider is a little better, and your secret scumtell on DeathNote also lets him beat Shotty for now.

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Ya.

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Though I doubt ShottyHeartless has a motivation to protect Nobodyraider.

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I'm not sure I understanding. You're positing ShottyHeartless Raidertown (e.g. setting up for an I-told-you-so on raider)?

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I guess so. The Heartless probably figure Raider's more likely to attack town for the time being, anyway.

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I meant NK-type attack.

Unless 1 team has 2 NKs, there are almost certainly 2 groups left. There could also be 2 groups and an SK, but only if the kills are really gimped.

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Heartless probably assume that the Nobodies will NKtarget townies on average, which may explain Shotty protecting Raider given their presumed alignments.

2 kill flavors happened last night, so two factions probably exist. Also, 3 kills have never happened in one night. Positing that the Nobodies are gone and the 2 kill flavors are attributable to Heartless and 4th party requires that the kills are gimped in some way (e.g. given factions may not kill on certain days or under certain conditions). The point is that that is very remote, so both factions probably still exist.

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DGB claimed she would be surprised if there were no SK earlier today. Which. Didn't make much sense to me.

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DeathNote is usually a little bit of a lovebunny, though. He's been disappointing since D1 this game.

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(Punctuation is win btw.)

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I mean the punctuation that is only sparingly in Raider's posts. It makes them difficult to read even when they're short.

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Um. What's your point?

"RayFrost probably has a town role. I'm hard at work confirming it!"

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He's saying that Roxas, Axel, and Namine are likely town-aligned Nobodies, if they exist. He presumably thinks that you're one of those and a Nobody Cop, by analogy with Roxas being one. Why he thought this was useful information to share or to pour over is anyone's guess. And yeah, he missed that Roxas has already been found.

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These flavor distinctions you're pointing out, interesting though they may be, are irrelevant except inasmuch as they imply game mechanics.

Why are you emphasizing the "betrayal"? Do you have reason to believe that that is part of this game?

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Do you think that RF is scum?

Who do you *actually* think is scum? Bonus points if you allude to events that happened today.

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...Does that mean no one?

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OK, I looked back and all I see is Ace (calls you town on the basis of your voting record). DGB puts you on the bottom of her town list, too, but she says that it's only she's ruled out that you're Heartless and Nobody.

I am excited to learn why you think that reading RF (whom you implicitly believe to be town) in iso is more important than looking for scum (e.g. by reading Ace in iso).

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Like I said. Makes no sense.

Please clarify.

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I simulposted that with Hayker. I wasn't intending to ask about the usurper role per se. Not that it matters.

So you're claiming that RF is like an SK who becomes NobodyKing once Xemnas dies? Which he has?

Is this just your fantasy of an ideal, Hayker-fashioned KH mafia set-up, or do you actually have reason to believe that this role exists?

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Spoilers for Hayker -- there's no prize for guessing everyone rolename correctly.

Probably. ^^;

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EBWOP: 's

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Who's Maleficent?

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He mostly followed SirChris IIRC.

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I was about to post the very same thing last night. It certainly looks that way. All the fakeclaims have been utter crap. At best, non-town may be given characters-but-not-abilities, but it'd still make the fakeclaims look a little bored. No safeclaim would put Gorrad's continual insistence that safeclaims had to exist into perspective, too.

I'm allowed to comment on this because everyone already knows my role.

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Maybe like a tracker? I dunno

I politely asked Slicey to make me a Hobo after he assassinated them for us. He said no.

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Are you suggested a mass nameclaim? I thought about that, but it seems like we already have plenty of suspects. Anyway, that's up to you guys, since I'm already out-and-about innit.

If we do decide to do it, we should make the scumlords do it first, or (more efficient) have each player select the next to nameclaim.

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We're positing nameclaim only? Or everything?

Assuming those not here do not object (they certainly may) -- does raider go first, or someone else?

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I actually like the popcorn idea. If a player selects a clearly not-very-scummy player to claim next, that just gives us something else to scrutinize.

I agree that raider should go first.

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You've mixed up Mulan and King Mickey, I think. Point taken, though. It's certainly possible that scum have a list of roles that aren't in the game. (They almost certainly lack abilities for those roles, though.) It's not necessarily true, though. Cobalt may've been gambiting that she wasn't out there.

If they do have a such a list, this exercise is meaningless-to-silly. If they do not, it is a good idea. We could certainly put if off. Either way, I'm near the point where I want raider to claim. How many votes does he have?

DGB, why did you say earlier that you would be surprised if there were no SK?

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I'm 85% sure you and DTM have it backward. Cobalt claimed Mulan. SSK claimed King Mickey. Not that that neutralizes your post.

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I literally claimed Jack Sparrow ages ago. I've in fact claimed Jack Sparrow twice.

Are you Simba or King Simba?

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Ick, you're totally right about Cobalt and SSK. Cobalt claimed the Gun was what accounted for the bullet flavor from the modscene. Sorry. <_<

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/comfort @ DN. Also, I think Kdub was the only player to mention that.

I'm deciding who and if to choose. Or raider can select someone else.

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Hmm. OK.

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Ace, is there a reason you went to DN rather than back to raider after you unvoted Kise?

I am annoyed at all of the nonvoters. Vote or provide a very good reason for failing to do so. Vote your second favorite if you don't want to quicklynch raider.

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What? Then I misread that, too. I thought *I* said there was no motivation, you suggested otherwise, and then I acquiesced.

But I've had a bad memory recently innit. <_<

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Oh. By "shouldn't dismiss shotty as town" just there, I thought you meant "shouldn't disregard the possibility that shotty is town." But it looks like you meant the opposite.

K.

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We also have Kairi and Leon as VT, whereas Beast is VT but Aladdin isn't. But. Maybe you're right.

Wants raider to say more.

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There are still 3 spots on the wagon if you'd like one, RF.

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I don't buy it for reasons that should be evident from reading my claim.

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So, if raider is scum, scum can probably daytalk. Nice to know. You'd think they could've fed SSK/Cobalt something a little more interesting, though.

(Assuming you've given this any thought -- Which of us is the Nobody, if any of us?)

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A "lyncher"?

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So, if raider is scum, scum can probably daytalk. Nice to know. You'd think they could've fed SSK/Cobalt something a little more interesting, though.

(Assuming you've given this any thought -- Which of us is the Nobody, if any of us?)

... or he's a nobody that figured out how to use the wiki. zomg.

I think you're misunderstanding. raider claimed that DGB, if scum, has probably been giving her scummates information about how to attack various players. He used the example of Hayker, who went off and came back with a case. But that happened in the same day, so DGB would've had to have given him the information via daytalk.

Regardless of whether it's an accurate example, I don't think scum would make that kind of thing up unless daytalk were a known game mechanic.

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I had to look that up.

You'd think he'd just mention that if it were the case. His target is clearly scum.

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My only guess would be that I am on to something and unvoting would give them time to derail my thoughts. Guess I cant complain too much, I am alive for another couple of days or so.

lolwat.

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Why? Because you've hallucinated that he has a more complicated role than he has claimed?

My flavor doesn't make any allusions to my nemesis, but there are more Disney characters than nemeses in the game, so that could be all there is to it. (Who's the villain on Jack's world in KH2, anyway?)

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Sora and co. arrive in time to watch Simba throw [Scar] off the cliff, but Pete arrives and tells them that because of the anger and jealousy within his heart, Scar has

become a Heartless.

A battle ensues as Scar climbs back up to the peak, with Sora and the gang victorious.

It looks like he's maybe a ghost when you return to the Pride Lands. I dunno; I've only played the first one.

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Not that Heartless-hood is even necessary to be on the Heartless team. I don't think Captain Hook ever literally becomes a Heartless, does he?

I don't understand how his flavor auto-scums him, but I still think he's scum.

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Ace, is there a reason you went to DN rather than back to raider after you unvoted Kise?

I agree with DGB. As far as I can tell, ace ignored this question. From looking at his scumlist just before his subtle vote-switch, DN was Neutral and raider was DIESCUMDIE IIRC. Nothing really happened to justify the jump that I can recall either.

That said, this does not necessarily mean that raider is town. We know there is a Nobody out there. We believe it is raider. Positing that we are correct, Heartlessace doesn't know that either. So we would expect his behavior to be identical with respect to raider regardless of either player's alignment.

That said, I do agree with ace on one point. Kise, if you're in a position to explain the secret scumtell on DN, I would highly encourage you to do so. If it's ongoing, that's certainly understandable, but I don't believe you've indicated as much.

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Is there something particular you hope to gain from having them claim today rather than sequentially? Yes/No will do for now.

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Oh, right, I'd forgotten about Kise's secret scumtell. OK. Thanks.

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I don't think ace should claim, either. I feel silly for forgetting about the secret scumtell. At worst, ace has done some sketchy stuff, but it's still an issue to discuss tomorrow.

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Late joining on SSK seems pretty persuasive. But as I recall, SSK was lynched really quickly after I shot Cobalt. I don't think I even had time to join it; not sure, though.

If ace misclaims, we'll still have to put off killing him for a day. I think. Unless there's an imaginary vig somewhere, but there's no evidence of that.

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Yeah.

I would start to suspect DGB if not for her claim.

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Yes. Thank you, scumlordGorrad, for your valued insight.

If any more players want to ape Kdub's (not unreasonable) concern with my flavor, it would be nice if you could bring something independent to the table. It looks to me like players are perennially bringing this up just to see whether it will catch on.

While it's true that Riku looks like Ansem in two situations, I thought the blindfold-removal took place after Riku was no longer (significantly) under Xehanort's Heartless's influence (e.g. the vicinity of COM). Am I mistaken? That's why I don't think DGB is Heartless. We don't have evidence of anything contradicting the flavor so far. But let me know if I'm mistaken about the chronology. I quit on Ursula. She was hard.

(It's always possible that DGB is making the blindfold bit up. I find it hard to believe that she didn't look up the flavor at least enough to know that KH was a video game. It could be that she alluded to her lack of familiarity to discredit the possibility that she was able to fabricate the blindfold flavor. I doubt it, though.)

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I still intend to post why I voted for Ace, but that will take a few mins. For now I'm gonna post a little flavour analysis.

Btw, this made me giggle a little.

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Show off.

I died on her twice and decided to take a break. I went back to it a year later and didn't even remember how to fight normal enemies.

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If I'm correct about the chronology of the blindfold scene, then I think Hayker is almost certainly scum.

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Welcome, joe 3.0

RF, feel free to answer my flavor question. It seems like you're probably as likely to know the answer as Hayker. He's welcome to dispute your response. I doubt either of you would outright lie about objective information.

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(Fix plz. )

Double post deleted. ~Slicey~

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Your predecessors have pretty much been non-entities as far as I can tell. You seem like a more active player. I'm excited to see what'll come out of that slot. I can give you the parts of the game I remember (NB: I pretty much only remember stuff that had to do with me).

D1
Blahblahblah, then I replace in.
I target Cobalt for lurkerhunting against players for whom he knows this is not a valid tell.
Cobalt tries to get me modkilled.
I throw a fit. Everyone decides I am crazy. (THE PLOT WILL THICKEN.)
Everyone decides to kill lurkerzwet instead, so I shoot him. He's Kairi, VT.
SirChris gets really excited about killing lurkerDoS, so we lynch DoS. He's Beast, VT.

D2
Chip died overnight. DTM is Dale. DTM is now functionally VT. He is pretty much confirmed AFAIK.
Blahblahblah, SSK makes a megascumtell. I point it out and DGB makes love with it.
We think this means SSK and Cobalt are scumbuddies, but they're actually just both scum on different scumteams.
Cobalt tries to claim in a way that appears pro-town, but fails. Kdub daycops him for confirmation that he is scum.
I shoot Cobalt (Nobodyscum). We lynch SSK (Heartlessscum).

D3
Gorrad dies overnight (Nobodyscum). Hooray!
Blahblahblah. Someone calls out PZ on something. (Maybe connections to Cobalt and Gorrad? I don't really remember cuz I didn't do it.)
PZ makes a very lame claim. We lynch PZ (Nobody scum).

D4
Kdub is killed overnight.
Two kill flavors leads us to speculate that both scumteams still have at least one member, so there may have been 4 of each to start.
Kdub breadcrumb-hunting and VC analysis lead to the raider-is-the-last-Nobody theory. Wagon'd.
raider claims Simba.
Kise claims that DeathNote is almost certainly scum for secret reasons (probably involves an ongoing game, but he hasn't said). He's voting for raider atm, though, I think.

That's about it. The following claims are out there (I may be forgetting someone) --

Iec (me) -- Jack Sparrow, 2-shot vig + flavor (not a fullclaim)
DGB -- Riku, Not Quite VT Tracker + flavor (not a fullclaim)
DTM -- Dale, Functionally VT
raider -- Simba, VT + flavor

I bet RayFrost is Namine, but that's just speculation.

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Oh, you should probably know a little more about DGB's claim. Here's the chronology:

1. Discode starts with that playerslot.
2. Mod posts a really sketchy flavorscene (check Slicey iso).
3. Discode claims that he is responsible for said flavorscene. He also claims that it has made him a Miller who will flip Town with an incorrect rolename.
4. Everyone and their mom speculates that Discode is either Roxas or Riku.
5. DGB replaces Discode. She claims that the ability offered by the Millerhood really isn't worth the Miller-ness.
6. Time passes.
7. DGB claims Riku-Ansem. At the start of the game, her player had the option to "remove the blindfold." Discode did so. This made Riku look like AnsemHeartless (Heartless Miller), but he is still town-aligned. He also became a tracker. He may or may not have other abilities.

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I'll tell you after you claim it if I'm right. I'll keep it to myself if I'm wrong.

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My second guess is that you're Maleficent tbh. :X:X:X

No, I don't have any real evidence to back that up. I've just sorta wanted you to be Maleficent since D1 because of your avatar.

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1. There are no characters in KH better than Maleficent. I love her.
2. The dude's kinda wearing robes or something. But they're not Nomurafest robes, so they don't make you a Nobody.

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They look like an absurdly frilly collar and a weird rose robe thing underneath. But w/e. Just explaining.

PS -- I will officially find it sort of suspicious if you fakeclaim Namine now. Just so ye know innit.

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SEE IT FITS SO WELL. DUN MAKE FUN. <_<

There's other stuff, too, though. Will be secret until post-game.

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Why is UK cleared?

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It's fine for her to call herself cleared. She knows she's cleared.

Thanks for reminding me about the track. That makes sense.

DGB, may I ask who you tracked on the days when you didn't track UK? You've had several nights saved up.

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Also, lol at literally claiming RF's fakeclaimed role. Ace, is that a rapid ability or a night ability?

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Sorry about those silly questions. I hadn't seen page 122 at first. ^^;

AFAIK = as far as I know

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Yeah. Namine is as likely to be Nobodyscum as Roxas.

I find it borderline-impossible to believe that you haven't used your shot yet AND that your one-shot is night-only. That is absurdly convenient. Not to mention RF's having already claimed it. What do you make of RF having "fakeclaimed" your role the page before you claimed it.

Sajin, is there a reason your first few posts have a considerably more constricted flavor than those prior? I'm pretty sure I know who you are, and you're either 3rd party or town, but I'm not sure you ever explained this.

I think Hayker is highly likely to be scum. I don't think a player who knows a lot about the flavor would selectively choose aspects of DGB's circumstances like that to make her look as like scum. A town player making his post definitely would have included the blindfold information from DGB's post. (Hell, I can just imagine Hayker going off on a flavor binge detailing the blindfold scene and what it symbolized for Riku and all that.) If Hayker had come back and claimed that he just forgot about it, that would be one thing, but it looks like he's pretty much said he did it purely for rhetorical reasons.

Unvote; Vote: Hayker

. (Bonus: if he's scum, his scumbuddy may be one of the other players who brought up my flavor without it catching on. Can't remember who that was.)

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(Irrelevant flavortalk: Doesn't Ansem pretty much tell Riku to kill her?)

Another question -- is that your entire claim?

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EBWOPx2 -- I'd still be OK with lynching raider.

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It looks like this is what we have:

RapidNobodyCop (KdubRoxas)
RapidHeartlessCop (PlumSora)
RapidNobody1-shotCop (RF????)
NightScum1-shotCop (aceNamine)

Symmetry does not exist. Do you find this troubling? If so, do you think the symmetry is illusory (other roles will make it look nicer), or that someone is lying? Assuming the latter, did you ever express suspicion like that?

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EBWOP: Or do you think the asymmetry is intentional?

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DGB, is there a reason you're fetishizing the VC instead of looking at context?

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Meh. DeathNote is my third-tier choice (after raider and Hayker). But. OK.

Unvote; Vote: DeathNote

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DGB, what on earth possessed you to think that I could in any universe be Cobalt's scumbuddy? VC?

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lolwat.

Is there a thesis in there somewhere, or should I ignore it?

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All DN has done this game is some sketchy Cobalt daytalk and a pressure-less VT claim.

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I like Hayker’s helpful attitude to describing KH1.

lol

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All DN has done this game is some sketchy Cobalt daytalk and a pressure-less VT claim.

And been useless, and should have been shot D1. But that's just my bias.[/quote]
I was busy shooting zwet.

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Um. You know what I mean. ^^;

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ModVoice is Sajin. His post restriction was removed D2. He's kinda lurky, though.

Are you in a position to comment on, ye know, more current issues? Is DN scum? Is raider scum? Is Hayker scum?

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Clayton is a lame villain. I would never put him in my mafia game. [/outguess]

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Also, what's the point of your anecdote? "One time I played with townmiller and we mislynched him. So I will never trust a townmiller claim again!" Do I have that right?

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No. Or, at least, I don't understand why it's a slip. DGB claimed she was RB'd N3.

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I don't think the presence of a roleblocker significantly impedes the evaluation of ace's claim tomorrow.

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I've thought Ace was scum, too. That doesn't change that, upon reflection, Ace's claim has put him in a position that will make it very difficult to fudge (unless he is busdriven/redirected, but that posits anti-town roles we have no evidence of).

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Was your secret scumtell nullified?

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I don't understand. Are you saying that -- in spite of the presence of reasonable suspicion of other players -- you were pushing a clandestine policy lynch on DN?

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I was expecting scum to call my bluff since they would know they're the only threat to town left.

Huh? There are 2 scumteams left. Do you have a reason to believe otherwise?

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What did you mean when you posted that? Did you mean something else? Did you mistype? Did you misremember the two kill flavors?

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I was expecting scum to call my bluff since they would know they're the only threat to town left.

Huh? There are 2 scumteams left. Do you have a reason to believe otherwise?

This is what I was asking you about. But it's nice that you've admitted to wanting to lynch DN for no (good) reason.

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EBWOP: No great* reason.

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This game has a mechanism for dealing with lurkers. We should deal with DN by abusing it. DN has not posted since Thursday.

Prod DeathNote

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Deathnote prodded. ~Slicey~

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There are two types of kill flavor on Kdub's death. It looks like both scumteams targeted the same player.

Kise is talking about raider there if I'm not mistaken. There are connections between raider and Nobodyscum. Check Starbuck's posts on the subject.

Raider said he thought ace, me, and two other players were the scum. You can look a few posts back in his iso to get his list.

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I was expecting scum to call my bluff since they would know they're the only threat to town left.

Huh? There are 2 scumteams left. Do you have a reason to believe otherwise?

This is what I was asking you about. But it's nice that you've admitted to wanting to lynch DN for no (good) reason.

Given that, please address this apparent slip.

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I could policy-lynch Kise for lying as easily as policy-lynch DN for being DN. But it'd be an even better idea to lynch actual scum, ye know?

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I was referring to raider.

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DN, if you don't want to play the game, why not just request replacement?

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It's not that you don't want to play. You just lack interest. I see.

Seriously. Request replacement.

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I want him to be replaced for the same reason I would have wanted joe or zwet to be replaced. I don't think it is difficult to understand someone wanting DN to be replaced, especially in the present situation.

I forgot that I was still voting him. I thought I was still on raider. <_<

Lynching him would not totally hurt my feelings, but it would be simpler to get a player active enough that it's feasible to judge their alignment in that slot.

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I was going to berate you for making that unreadable, but I actually really like the analysis. Keep it up. I agree that DN is unlikely to be a Nobody, unless Cobalt just decided to bus him for fun.

Also:

Yet you didn't unvote.

Lynching him would not totally hurt my feelings, but it would be simpler to get a player active enough that it's feasible to judge their alignment in that slot.

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I would rather replace DN and lynch raider. If replacing DN is not going to happen, I am satisfied with lynching DN.

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Why do you think he's town? I can understand a belief that he's not a Nobody, but it seems reasonable plausible he could be Heartless to me.

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We have claimed Cops to maybe save the day.

Granted, they're like the 4th and 5th instances.

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Be optimistic.

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Unvote

. Get another SW, please.

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Meh, why not.

Vote: raider

. I'd like to get the replacement dealt with before N5, though.

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Snow White. I have decided that I like her. Not that this is new information.

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What led to this heel-turn?

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Is there a remaining Nobody who remotely fits Sajin's flavor? I can't think of anyone. Help me out, Hayker. I'd rule him out.

DTM is obvtown. It's a little annoying that you've brought him up again. Ruled out.

That leaves can't-be-read DN, but I'd tentatively rule him out for being targeted much like zwet by Cobalt D1. Possible, but not quite as likely.

If blue scum is on your list, it is most likely Starbuck. (Speaking of which -- did Plum say anything about FL D2? She was obsessed with him being scum all D1 IIRC. I think that makes it unlikely that Starbuck is Heartless.)

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It would be lovely if you could elaborate, especially given Kise's fake scumtell from a bit ago.

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(NB: No need to repost a page's worth of VCs.)

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Where does the Mod find all these players who can't wait to replace into a 128 page game?

I wonder if this is DN's meta-of-playing-the-game alt.

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Welcome, either way.

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I agree with DGB. Mr. F should claim as much as possible as soon as possible. The longer he waits, the worse it looks. It's probably already too late, though.

Why did it not occur to you that heartless could indeed be very signifigant earlier? I can understand not at first, but it was the first day when speculation about a nobody mafia and heatless mafia happened.

This is a good question, but I imagine I already know the answer that'll be given.

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I agree with WFH. Also, Mr. F already looks kinda sketchy from not having claimed quickly and so forth.

Unvote; Vote: Flareonage

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It was me and WFH, if I'm not mistaken. WFH ended up being temporarily voteless.

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I am very nearly convinced that you should hammer him either way.

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It had better be something good.

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If DN is Heartless, I think UK may be his scumfriend. This is not a very well-researched position.

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I will elaborate when it is no longer anti-town to do so.

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I think it's rather anti town to hold back now.

I could forgive townUK for thinking that, but he would still be mistaken.

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I blame KMD’s twilight mafia. Read it. Good read.

I was so sad when Katy died. Ah well. I'll tell the Mod if I pull that again.

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That is what you get for using a dude as an avatar.

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Is a nice avatar. I agree.

I want love and affection and a claim from Mr. F.

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No love, no affection, no claim. I demand bloody retribution.

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I am 80% certain that he is scum. (That is not a scientific number.) There is a tell in 3259.

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lol. I suppose that's why we lynched scum every night but the first.

You've replaced DN. It should not shock you that you will enter under scrutiny.

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Flare. Seriously. There is a reason we want you to claim. It is not (just) so that we can kill you. Honest.

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Take us at our word that there is/are reason(s) for you to claim in the past 130 pages. You can make a case against us later if it turns out we were full of crap. Save your indignation for then.

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For those playing along at home, we wanted Flare to claim because DN already claimed D2. He indeed claimed Jiminy Cricket, VT, but he did it under bizarre, pressure-less situations, which was anti-town/scummy, but, ye know, was also DN.

This is also why I speculated that UK could be DN's scumfriend. Whereas the entire town was actively pretending that DN had not already claimed, UK instead encouraged Flare (well, scumUK encouraged; townUK just hadn't caught on or something) to read DN's iso.

I think Flare's you'll-be-sorry/hardcore AtE business implied a PR. I thought he was setting up for a PR fakeclaim, which would have caught him. Now that he's claimed VT, he's not auto-scum, but his AtE is still out-of-place.

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WOE IS ME!!! I AM BEING LYNCHED YOU GUYS ALRAEDY GOSH ARE SO MEAN!!! OMG SCUM IS RULING THIS GAME BWARE LOL!!!

^ This is an example of AtE

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Scum do push for claims. They want to know who the PRs are. But we (except RF) weren't really pushing for a claim. We were pushing you to claim scum.

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OH! I just got what you were insinuating to imply I was scum with DN!

What did you mean here?

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Oh. Nah. Lynch me if I ever make up something like that without at least one flip. That was counterevidence; not evidence.

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EBWOP would have been*

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Wicked would say things like "Slicey posted. He is obvscum." What were we supposed to think?

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I'm voting raider? Really?

Unvote; Vote: Flare

The stalling, and the language he used during it, implied setting up for a PR IMO. It was out of place given the VT claim. (Even though anything that wasn't a VT claim would've been still-scummier due to DN's prior claim, etc.)

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Of course it isn't a coincidence. I think you aren't a total idiot, so you read DN in iso and noticed the fakeclaim. It took you awhile to finish reading him, so you had to stall. If I had just replaced into DNscum's slot and people wanted me to claim, I would absolutely iso DN and ctrl+F "claim" at the very least.

Sajin seems to think otherwise.

I'm excited to hear what DTM has on his mind.

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Well, my logic presumes scumFlare. scumFlare is definitely not a total idiot. townFlare is probably a new player, but there's not necessarily evidence that he is an idiot, total or otherwise.

"iso" means "in isolation." It's reading the posts only by a specific player. Use the tool at the bottom of the screen (Display posts from previous) to screen out all posts that aren't by a specific flavor.

I'm tentatively promoting Flare to Town.

Unvote; Vote: raider

. Do not lynch raider before DTM finishes his business with DGB.