Pick Your Power - Game. Set. Match.

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@Benmage I haven't been policy lynched in forever, ah the nostalgia.

Unvote

(even though I haven't posted yet I'm voting on the above vote count)

Vote Elvis

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The Seacore wagon isn't awesome though.

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Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Benmage

- 1 - Cruciare - (L-11)

BloodCovenent

- 2 - StrangerCoug, chamber - (L-10)

chamber

- 1 - Benmage - (L-11)

Cobalt

- 3 - Seacore, drippinggoofball, BloodCovenent - (L-9)

devotress

- 2 - SerialClergyman, FishytheFish - (L-10)

drippinggoofball

- 1 - Farside22 - (L-11)

elvis_knits

- 1 - Vi - (L-11)

FishytheFish

- 1 - Dramonic - (L-11)

Seacore

- 6 - Xylthixlm, Pomegranate, elvis_knits, Cobalt, devotress, budja - (L-6)

Players not voting: Faraday, Plum, TonyMontana, Vaya

Unvote vote blood

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Unvote vote blood

Why the hell are you voting for me?

You smell like scum.

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It was DGB who leveled an incorrect accusation at TM, not the other way around.

TonyMontana sounds like the mouthpiece for a large scum team.

We already know the scumteams are two groups of three plus an SK. There is no "large scumteam".

And you feel a member of said smaller scumteams would be more likely to forget that the scumteams in this game were small?

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It was DGB who leveled an incorrect accusation at TM, not the other way around.

TonyMontana sounds like the mouthpiece for a large scum team.

We already know the scumteams are two groups of three plus an SK. There is no "large scumteam".

And you feel a member of said smaller scumteams would be more likely to forget that the scumteams in this game were small?

What do you think about DGB's assumption that the scum are talking?

Nothing. It's not a good assumption to make but I fall in to the trap of making it as town way too often to judge anyone else for doing the same.

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eh, BC is still scum but elvis is good enough for now.

unvote Vote elvis

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Furthermore. Fishy brought up that he was concerned for why Cobalt didn't pick Cop, as it's an obviously broken Town role. I have a similar concern, as Cop is also a good Mafia role. It's not, however, a good SK role. I have a suspicion for what Cobalt picked that WOULD benefit an SK - especially an SK at the top of the draft order - and that provides another reason for why I would like to see Cobalt lynched.

There is an obvious first pick over cop as both mafia and town.

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Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

BloodCovenent

- 2 - Pomegranate, Seacore - (L-10)

budja

- 3 - SerialClergyman, Vi, BloodCovenent - (L-9)

Cobalt

- 1 - devotress - (L-11)

devotress

- 2 - Vaya - (L-10)

Dramonic

- 1 - budja - (L-11)

drippinggoofball

- 3 - Cruciare, Faraday, Xylthixlm - (L-9)

elvis_knits

- 1 - chamber - (L-11)

Seacore

- 3 - TonyMontana, Farside22, FishytheFish - (L-9)

Vaya

- 1 - Dramonic - (L-11)

Vi

- 1 - Cobalt - (L-11)

Xylthixlm

- 3 - drippinggoofball, elvis_knits, StrangerCoug - (L-9)

Players not voting: Benmage, Plum

I still like elvis as scum but maybe she'll be cross-killed

Unvote Vote BloodCovenent

He still smells like scum.

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I still like elvis as scum but maybe she'll be cross-killed

Unvote Vote BloodCovenent

He still

smells

like scum.

Not

seeing

it.

I found the problem. You are scum hunting with the wrong sense.

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Actually I'm curious about benmage now too. I just read through his posts because of cobalt bringing him up up there.


What changed between you saying

I'd vote devotress, but i like to hold off until i'm not behind in a game.

And then a few posts later

Okay, unvote vote elvis_k.

Only on page 7 in mah read thru, hope theres a case on her.

What was so much better about voting for EK despite being behind, compared to voting for me despite being behind? Ek had a larger wagon to join in on?

unvote

Vote Benmagep

I wanted EK lynched. So since i was going away, i wanted to help the game see her lynched.

Now that you are back, and have presumably read the thread ,who do you currently find scummy?

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but are they 5kum

They could very well be, but we're all spread out so thinly we are losing our focus and the most valuable information we have is players' choice of wagon. It's even difficult to make cases when we are, as a group, so scatterbrain.

true

let's agree to vote the same scumone then
coug is a great choice

BC> Coug.

I'm guessing one of the sisters accidentally saw the others pm and both were forced to replace out. In this scenario they wouldn't be scum together.

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So wait... did Coug put up a case on Dramonic based on dramonic voting EK, and then Coug said he couldn't find a case on dramonic?

Unvote:
Vote: StrangeCoug

Yes however my case on dramonic is crap. It's debatable of course, but I disagree. My case was 'alright.'

MOAR VOATZ

Can you please rephrase this? I have no idea what you mean.

Also, more BC votes <3

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god damnit.

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SO I guess now that benmage is done coordinating my NK, we can lynch SC.

He's already lynched if you missed it.

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No, I didn't want SC to die. I also think your list is misleading. I only know me, but although I'm listed as having made 4 votes, which is true, I made them for the same 2 people.

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I want to hear results from elvis first.
In the meantime,

vote xyl

Whod you vig btw?

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I knew he was vig cause vig is the obvious first pick as anything but sk.

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Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 10

BloodCovenent

- 2 - Faraday, budja - (L-8)

devotress

- 2 - SerialClergyman, DeathNote - (L-8)

elvis_knits

- 2 - Xylthixlm, Benmage - (L-8)

SerialClergyman

- 1 - Cobalt - (L-9)

Xylthixlm

- 1 - drippinggoofball - (L-9)

Players not voting: BloodCovenent, chamber, Cruciare, devotress, Dramonic, elvis_knits, Farside22, FishytheFish, Seacore, TonyMontana, Vaya

Cobalt claiming vig is a surprise to me and rather disappointing so... I suppose I will vote the next scummiest person on my list.

You've blown my mind with this comment. What exactly did you expect him to take? If you found him scummy before why are you letting him off now that hes claimed vig instead of freaking the fuck out because one mafia has 2x killing power.

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I investigated TM because I thought he might have been part of a scum-engineered simulpost quicklynch.

Possible reasons for quicklynch:
1. Honest accident by chamber
2. Co-op between me and chamber
3. Hawk lynch by chamber

I couldn't have engineered the lynch by myself, but chamber could have, so I don't see why you picked me over him.

I never voted for Coug, I totaly thought he was town.

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Maybe you're right, since Tony Montana is town.

I still think scum may have had a hand in it, maybe not as coordinated, but as a solo capitalizing.

Cause I've seen that plenty.

3 examples please

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You've never seen scum quickhammer?

On day 1? Not that I remember.

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unvote vote devotress

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unvote vote devotress

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Why? I agree that Vaya has been scummy.

Shut up scum.

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Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 9

BloodCovenent

- 2 - FishytheFish, chamber - (L-7)

budja

- 2 - Benmage, BloodCovenent - (L-7)

drippinggoofball

- 3 - Xylthixlm, Farside22, TonyMontana - (L-6)

Xylthixlm

- 1 - Cobalt - (L-8)

Players not voting: budja, Cruciare, DeathNote, Dramonic, drippinggoofball, Faraday, Seacore, SerialClergyman, Vaya

Vote BloodCovenent

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BC is obviously

town

scum.

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BC is obviously

town

scum.

Why do you even play this game?

Because I enjoy it <3. I don't always give one liners btw, just most of the time.

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I take issue with dgb's methods, mostly because It suggests I'm most likely to be scum.

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I think we should give everyone above Seacore a chance to counter claim, but it is looking quite bad for xyl.

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I almost picked watcher, its quite a powerful role and I'm suprised it went so late, thats my only source of doubt atm.

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at this point I'm pretty sure who has what in the top 10, it's not too hard to figure out.

I'm not, but don't share anyway.

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I can read. Im not hammering till everyone above seacore checks in which by my count still hasnt happened.

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Feh, someone else can hammer then.
@chamber, if seacore lied, he dies tomorrow anyway.

I like playing things safe when there is no need not to.

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Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7

BloodCovenent

- 1 - Cobalt - (L-6)

Players not voting: Benmage, BloodCovenent, budja, chamber, Cruciare, DeathNote, Dramonic, drippinggoofball, Farside22, FishytheFish, Seacore, TonyMontana

Which one was you cobalt?

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sarnath'd.

vote BloodCovenant

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I'll be so very very sad if I get lynched.

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How bout we lynch bc and you vig me?

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How bout we lynch bc and you vig me?

no because you are bulletproof

What do you mean no? Thats WHY its a good plan.

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How bout we lynch bc and you vig me?

no because you are bulletproof

What do you mean no? Thats WHY its a good plan.

no because you are SCUM and we want to LYNCH YOU.

If I vig you, you won't die.

What do you mean no? Thats WHY its a good plan.

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I have NOT been very scummy. Pshh!

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I'm a beacon of townieness.

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HAY DGB LISTEN TO THIS
chamber is bulletproof. He is also very scummy. he needs to be lynched today.
BloodCov is very scummy. Farside is scummy and implicated by voting. BUT BC is higher on the draft, therefore he is a better target. We can lynch farside tomorrow, hun.

I hear you. Say something that will convince me and we're on. I believe the last blue scum to be Farside from the voting record. There isn't a lot to go on for the red scum group so I'm flexible.

First, think back on chamber. Do you have any idea who he thinks is scum? Can you think of any important points he's made? Any scumhunting at all? I can't.
Then pull up his iso. He has fewer posts than pages, and most of them are fluff setup speculation and IIoA. No scumhunting. He's active lurking- the exact opposite of how a town bulletproof player would act.
Keep in mind he can't be vigged or crosskilled. The answer is clear. We lynch him today.

I quite clearly think BC is scum, I've been voting him since day 1. A lot of the activity in the game early on was happening when I wasn't around and it made me lose a level of interest with the game which is why I've been so lurky. I only 'scum hunt' when I don't otherwise have good targets, I've had BC since day 1.

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Although the town can afford mislynches at this point I'd rather one not be on me. Note that in order for any scum to win at this point they need for me to die.

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My point was that both scum have a lot of incentive to get me lynched. If I am look closely at my wagon.

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Is that you officially claiming bulletproof Chamber?

I think its been fairly obvious since the beginning of day2, but yes I am.

Cobalt was an obvious vig, elvis had claimed cop, vi came up a dead framer, and the sk, right below us 4, came up vanilla.

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Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7

BloodCovenent

- 1 - chamber - (L-6)

chamber

- 2 - Cobalt, drippinggoofball - (L-5)

Players not voting: Benmage, BloodCovenent, budja, Cruciare, DeathNote, Dramonic, Farside22, FishytheFish, Seacore, TonyMontana

Does spire normally let people use 2 active abilities in one night?

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I believe solo scum would get their NK and their role, is that what you mean?

This is what Im asking. If spyre wants to answer, great, otherwise past experience with him as a mod anyone?

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I bet I know who the bomb is.....looks pointedly up the list.
I think we can be assured there is a JK or RB that is scum based on the fact that 2 times the vig did not have a shot that went off.
Anyone what to say this as false?

Although possible I think this is a bad assumption. A town rb has a lot of reasons to block a killing role they don't know the alignment of.

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I bet I know who the bomb is.....looks pointedly up the list.
I think we can be assured there is a JK or RB that is scum based on the fact that 2 times the vig did not have a shot that went off.
Anyone what to say this as false?

Although possible I think this is a bad assumption. A town rb has a lot of reasons to block a killing role they don't know the alignment of.

please list a game where a town RB/JK went for the vig
Only if cobalt was scum to someone would a town RB have a just cause in wanting to stop a vig.
Obviously he wasn't stopped last night I can bet why too would you care to make that guess to as to why a town RB would stop a vig N1, N2 but not N3 with a cop dead?
Give me a break.

I'd rather muzzle an uncertain source of kills, therefore my thought, if the rb is town, would be that come day3 the rb responsible decided that cobalt was town.

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Doesn't it also protect the target from night actions?

Checking now

only kills

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I'm leaving for a couple hours, I'll be pissed if I'm dead when I get back.

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I think Id rather lynch dgb first over budja, potentially keeping a tracker around is more valuable imo.

Unvote Vote DGB

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I think Id rather lynch dgb first over budja, potentially keeping a tracker around is more valuable imo.

Unvote Vote DGB

Except Budja is SCUM, dude!

He's likely dead either way. If we lead with a dgb lynch though then if he's not scum we get to keep a tracker. I actually think there is a higher chance of dgb scum than budja too. I mean if its between lynching budja and lynching me my choice is obvious, but I still think DGB is the better play.

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Budja voted for DGB straight off the bat. Listing some points as to why that was apporopriate.

If you were going to try and make an argument for somebody to be lynched wouldn't you supply ALL your information. Particularly your most damning piece of evidence.

As a side note if Budja is telling the truth, then DGB must be the roleblocker or scum.

Interesting thought just now. Unless someone counter claims, budja has to be the tracker. If he tracked the mafia and they are a roleblocker he should have gotten 2 results. So, either he tracked someone else, or dgb only used 1 ability. Given that she said she though SC was scum is it possible shes a roleblocker/jailer only?

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I think its mass claim time, roleblockers should have some decent info at this point.

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let me put it this way. As I see it, based on my own reads and DGB's voting analysis, the last scum has to be among these players:
farside
benmage
cruciare
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So in two days we can lynch and vig all four, and that's gg.

unvote vote cruciare

This list basically covers my suspects, so I'm game, but I'd still like a mass claim + targets from the RBs first.

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Im pretty sure no one claiming RB makes me confirmed town *so happy*.

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I'm going to suggest that cobalt not announce his target. If it's on town the rb doesn't block, if its on him he blocks cobalt and kills you. This assumes town cobalt of course, but we can deal with scum cobalt after a couple nights/lynchs have eliminated the less obvious town players. Me and Tony are both basically confirmed town at this point, and scum can't kill either of us, so I think they are super screwed.

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I'd also consider myself confirmed, although highly targetable.

Which is why you weren't mentioned there, but I agree.

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I'd have found Dramonic's choice extremely scummy if I thought we didn't have a scum roleblocker out there. I think he's telling the truth about what he picked though, and therefore likely isn't scum.

Vote Cruciare

My second choice would be benmage.

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DOH. Sorry about blowing the perfect record if I'm wrong guys.

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Someone has lied. Either cobalt was never roleblocked, or one of the vanillas is a roleblocker. Thus unless a town member has lied, Tony, Sea, and I are all confirmed town.

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Sorry again about the perfect record guys, didn't realize I was hammering.

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Unlike you most scum don't bother hollywooding after their death. I didn't know until he said so.

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Unless you are lying about being roleblocked, or a member of the town isn't too bright, the mafia is the roleblocker.

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Are we waiting for my claim?

I already did that.

I claimed vanilla and picked watcher.

Unless you are suggesting he's the one thats not too bright.

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Someone remember this game when the 2010 scummy thread goes up, I likely wont.