All Greek To Me - Over

[Theta]

/confirm and we're off!

[Theta]

Oh, just realised there's no confirmation phase.

Vote: Theta

For failing to vote.

That leaves me no choice but to angrily cast an OMGUS vote. Luckily for you, I'm really bad at mafia.

Vote: Beta

Does anyone have anything that needs to be measured?

[Theta]

I would like a roleclaim from Eta.

[Theta]

Guys, the right wagon right now is Chi.

I think you're town, but I also think you're wrong about this. What made you change your mind so quickly on Eta?

My vote remains on Beta.

[Theta]

I can support an Omega wagon.

Unvote
Vote: Omega AGTM

[Theta]

So you don't have any of your own reasons for voting? You're just using someone elses? Scum trying to hop onto an easy bandwagon, basically, then?

How on earth can you claim a bandwagon on you is "easy"? Someone else was just at L-1, and you only have a handful of votes.

[Theta]

nice

[Theta]

Two fails in as many posts...

What'd I do wrong?

[Theta]

Oh, gotcha. I assumed Omega checked with the mod...or, at the very least, it's not specifically mentioned in the rules.

I am leaning toward believing the claim, and am going to find someone with no votes to shift to as a placeholder.

[Theta]

Unvote
Vote: Sigma AGTM

Only has one post.

[Theta]

Unvote
Vote: Sigma AGTM

Only has one post.

Why are you unvoting a survivor claim? They are anti-town you know.

unvote
vote Omega

Just incase he isnt modkilled

How is he anti-town? Doesn't he win with a town win? And couldn't his one-shot ability help town?

[Theta]

So he's a survivor with a census taker ability.
What's a census taker ability?

I am assuming he gets to find out how many scum are left.

[Theta]

That's likely not a lynch, since I doubt the mod will accept the vote from the primary account.

[Theta]

I am not so sure that he's going to be modkilled...given that I think there's a chance every single role PM is different and the mod wouldn't care if they were quoted, and Omega seems to deserve the benefit of the doubt that he would have checked first.

[Theta]

Or if he's not modkilled he's dead anyway, rit? So yeh.

I don't think so.

[Theta]

If Omega wasn't intending to work with us, he would have fakeclaimed.

If we play well, town can win and he can too. Using his ability will help us play well.

[Theta]

It's in his best interests to work with the town. His ability tilts the scales in town's favor. Scum already know how many scum there are.

[Theta]

Not that I've been the most prolific poster by any means, but I would like to remind everyone that Sigma has posted exactly one word during this entire game.

I don't like the case on Lambda. Yesterday, everyone seemed to think he was town. Looking at yesterday's posts, I'm not sure that Omega's flipping scum should change that all that much.

[Theta]

So how come "Digamma" was killed Night 0, but there was no such kill Night 1? What's going on with the other "obsolete" letters that were named in the AGTM queue post? Does it matter?

[Theta]

We still have 7 players not voting at this time. I realize that some (if not all) are being prodded, but when/if they do appear please explain why you are not voting.

Do you think the two bigger wagons (myself and Lambda) are not vote worthy? if so why?

Do you believe someone else has shown themselves to be more deserving of a vote? Again if so why?

I have not voted because I feel like this game is moving too quickly. I am in no hurry to lynch.

Especially since I asked about the setup earlier, and to this point have been ignored. I feel like we don't understand enough about what is going on here.

[Theta]

Secondly, the cases on Iota and Theta...where the heck do they come from?

Yeah, I'm glad someone else was wondering that.

Maybe I could have shared a little more in regards to my suspicions of Omega, but I don't understand what the problem was with wanting to keep him alive because I believed his roleclaim (I was very clear about that), and I see nothing wrong with shifting a vote somewhere where it probably won't have any effect, given that we can't unvote.

Where's Rho now? I'll check before voting.

[Theta]

Vote: Rho

rho, rho, rho your vote...

[Theta]

Yes, Theta voting for me right after I listed him as a suspect makes me believe I was right about him.

Why is that? My vote for you isn't OMGUS, it's because I don't like your apparent logic one bit. And even if it were OMGUS, I don't consider that to be a scumtell one bit.

[Theta]

I don't think Mu is scum at all. His reaction is more in line with that of a townie than that of Rho's.

I won't be voting Mu today.

Agreed.

Not only do I agree with the words of your statement, but your saying it also reduces the risk of Eta being scum, in my opinion.

[Theta]

Can someone summarize the Rho reasoning?

vote: mu

While the Rho case in 475 is relatively convincing, rho's response isn't particularly scummy to me, though annoying in the defeatist attitude. I'd be okay with rho's lynch, but Mu is harmful to town's discussion, and will continue to be in the future.

if rho flips scum, then tau is his scum-buddy. but i'm not for a rho-lynch now, so i'll leave my vote on lambda.

This, except I don't think Lambda is scum. I'm voting for Rho, but will happily switch to Tau if that's where the wagon is.

[Theta]

What's Tau at now? L-2?

[Theta]

I'm okay with the roleclaims, guessing my logic for feeling that way is similar to Lambda's.

Unvote
Vote: Mu

[Theta]

Beta had been very outspoken; got in and out of trouble early; got into it with townie Tau; looks to be an ideal SK target if he was town to begin with.

Vote: Beta

at least for now

[Theta]

Sooo...

"he's prob SK cuz he's been active"

sums up your case against him?

Really?

That's a really bad vote, man.

Well, we could all just go back to sitting around doing nothing, I suppose.

[Theta]

I think that, until someone catches him out, we should concentrate on people who are likely scum with omega. Like this:

vote: lambda

I understand your point about SK-vs-scum-hunting, but please explain why Lambda is likely to be scum with Omega.

[Theta]

I have an inkling that Psi is scum.

Need to reread to make a case, though.

I am looking forward to seeing how he answers my question.

[Theta]

I'm hopping on the Nu wagon. Still think Beta deserves some attention, but whatever.

Unvote
Vote: Nu

[Theta]

Welcome to the game Theta.

Hi.

Who are we lynching then?

[Theta]

Wow. Dead game is dead.

I get lost with all the names looking the same. Someone tell me who the scum is.

I like that I have a nice swirly avatar.

[Theta]

@theta, you can also read Mu, who is obvscum.

Just did. Scum or not, (s)he's rather useless.

Can we lynch Zeta too?

vote: Zeta

[Theta]

Your gut sucks, Mu. Also, get an avatar.

I've only read day 1 and today thus far but Zeta has been terribad in both and needs to die. I'll read more and put a case together later. Olympics are on.

[Theta]

Let's Lynch Zeta Plz

Day 1

113: Finally enters the game on page 5. There's a substantial Omega wagon at this point, but Zeta ignores it to lay down an RVS vote on Kappa.
115: Admits confusing Rho and Kappa, but doesn't move his vote.
128: Continues to ignore the Omega wagon, jumps on the Eta one as soon as it forms.
-at this point, the wagon shifts to Eta-
220: "Why is Omega's [wagon] good?" = soft defense. Deflects to Eta/Chi. (Chi had started to garner some votes at this point - almost carbon copy of the Eta move)
221: Clarifies ^^ question a minute later without being asked - obviously worried about how it would look
328: Strongly agrees with Psi about "survivor" Omega needing to be killed, but doesn't vote.

Day 2

375: Following a trend, hops on the Rho wagon.
455: Getting some heat, this is a gem. Says "It's not so much the Rho case is convincing it's the Lambda case isn't convincing."
1. This is a false dichotomy (we know this now from flips)
2. Said these things earlier re: Rho case:

How does the case on Rho last page not enough for everyone to vote him? I mean I can see the Lambda case as well but seriously? Vote Rho

Pi, how is the connection with Omegascum not enough?

The Rho case seems to be superior due to the connections with Omegascum.

Also note the backtrack on Lambda in 375.

500 & 502: Rho is near lynch, Zeta asks for a scumlist. Rho produces the one already posted, so Zeta quickly "clarifies" if anything has changed. Isn't really reading the thread.
541, 564: More playing townie. Notice there's never any followup.
600: With dualing townie wagons (Lambda and Rho), a sudden Tau wagon begins to form. Zeta tries to head it off a bit here, failing to realize that the Tau wagon was equally viable.

Day 3

Everyone jumps on Tau for fakeclaiming some bizarre JOAT. Zeta never posts.

Day 4

763: Crappy attack on Alpha. Seemed obvious to me too.
Omicron calls him out on it in 781. Zeta's response is to lurk while Lambda is lynched.

Day 5

835: Opens the day asking for people to iso Upsilon. Fencesits: "May need replacements, but fits with lurker scum profile"
842: Pushes Upsilon again. More important: No vote. Is looking to see if a wagon will form.
854: Beta bites (lulz?), Zeta immediately follows with a vote.
869: Fencesitting again, with a vote still on no less.
895: Sees potential Theta wagon, helps get that going.


Really this should have happened Day 2. This wagon is way overdue.

[Theta]

Win. Though I'm amazed he wasn't scum with Omega.

[Theta]

lulz

[Theta]

Eta

(11) -

Lambda

, Omicron,

Delta,

Kappa,

Zeta,

Rho,

Omega,

Tau,

Iota, Alpha,

Psi

Omega (5)

- Beta, Mu,

Nu,

Gamma,

Epsilon

Kappa (2) -

Eta, Nu

Xi

(1) - Phi
Beta (1) - Theta
Pi (1) -

Chi

Tau (1) - Xi

Not Voting (2):

Sigma

,

Chi

Thanks for this. This was going to be my next move.

there's a pretty fucking obvious counterwagon going on and it could definitely shed a lot of light on the game.

Agree 100%. There's scum in: Omicron, Kappa, Iota, Alpha. I'll reread with those four in mind. Suggest other townies do the same. Scum, plz bus your partners TIA.

[Theta]

Oh ninja'd. Hmm I don't see this as a scum gambit, it'd be far too risky. Although I'll await Max's answers I think this probably speaks towards you being legit.

Really now.

[Theta]

It smacks of opportunism to me. I don't understand the timing at all. I'll have to think about it more.

[Theta]

I don't think Kappa is clear atm, but I do think he's a mason.

I'm feeling stubborn.

Tonight I shall make A TABLE. And see where that leads.

In other news: I think people should post top 3 candidates for scum. Day 5 you lot should have a good feel by now.

[Theta]

Reasoning is tech. The post where he says you're town came after he became SK. Also, the way you posted seemed like you were making it up as you went along.
[col]Phase[col]Mason[col]SK Night 1[col]recruits Xi[col]infects Eta Night 2[col]recruits Kappa[col]infects Xi Night 3[col]recruits ?[col]infects Epsilon Night 4[col]recruits ?[col]infects Zeta

This timeline doesn't add up t me. Also, we should still have a pair of masons out there. Right Kappa?

We have 10 left. We started with 24. We probably started with 5 scum + 1 SK, leaving us with 4 scum. That puts us at lylo. I'm thinking maybe the masons claim. I'm also worried that we had 3 kills last night.

[Theta]

N4 would obv not have anybody successful, since zeta would have been turned.

Not obv. It would depend on resolution order.

I'm also wondering why Xi didn't flip "Recruited Mason"

It'd be kinda awesome if some other people started talking.

[Theta]

vote: Omicron

Only one of the four I've iso'd thus far, but certainly deserving. I'm working on the others so this may move. Kinda hoping Kappa turns out worse so we can reduce the amount of smug in the thread.

Day 1

103: First post after RVS vote. Avoids Omega wagon, votes Eta.
154, 155, 157: Fluff avatar posts
166: Encourages the Eta counterwagon
211: Incredible follower post: Likes the new Beta wagon, agrees Eta shouldn't claim, after pushing Eta wagon previously

Day 2

346: Wagon hops yet again, this time on rho
395: Bizarre defense post of Mu/Sigma/Lambda.
407/8: Fluff
436: fluff
488: Mu waffling again
504: Placeholder vote on Mu? What?
562: Giving Rho advice now?
576: Jumps to Tau wagon
620: Tau speculation

Day 3

710: Tau wagon

Day 4

743: SK speculation
781: Joins the leading bandwagon yet again: Lambda this time.
813: asks for Lambda claim

[Theta]

vote: Omicron

Only one of the four I've iso'd thus far, but certainly deserving. I'm working on the others so this may move. Kinda hoping Kappa turns out worse so I have an excuse to try and lynch somebody that would otherwise be almost confirmed town.

Fixed?

You're not confirmed anything until someone comes out of the woodwork and does it. Acting like you're confirmed town and then sitting on your ass not doing anything is part of what's so aggravating about you. If you really are "confirmed town" then you're dead tonight so why not do something constructive with what little time you have left?

[Theta]

guys i think we might be in lylo. lets be super careful.

I came to this conclusion too.

just be super duper careful with your votes.

Here's the thing. Let's run with the idea that we are in lylo right now. We have a couple votes on Omicron at the moment. Why haven't the scum quickhammered?

---

Dearest, sweetest Kappa:

in no particular order...

theta

beta

psi

Vote: Iota

'nuff said

Explain.

---


@Beta: Thanks for the list. What's your beef with Iota? Obv I agree with Omicron, and I know why anyone would want Mu dead, but I haven't read Iota yet so I don't get the hate.

[Theta]

Was thinking about the game this morning on the way to work.

I firmly believe we are in lylo, in a 6/4 configuration. That means when the day started, we were in a 6/4/1 configuration.

We had a very easy Zeta wagon today. A very easy one. I think the wagon was scum-backed. Here's why. There were two scenarios that practically hand the game to scum:

1. We mislynch twice. Game goes to night at 4/4/1. The scum kill one of the other 5 players and either kill the SK for an outright win, or they kill yet another townie, opening the next day at either 2/4/1 or 3/3/1. Either way they still have the game utterly in hand.
2. We lynch the SK and mislynch. Game goes to night at 5/4, scum kill a townie, 4/4 game over.

The scum knew Zeta was either SK or townie, and it didn't matter to them which really... either one improves their chances of winning. This makes me believe the Zeta wagon was actually somewhat scum-driven.

Now let's do a comparison.

Eta

(11) -

Lambda

, Omicron,

Delta,

Kappa,

Zeta,

Rho,

Omega,

Tau,

Iota, Alpha,

Psi

Zeta (6): Theta, Omicron, Iota, Alpha, Beta, Mu

Who's in common? Omicron, Iota, and Alpha. My spidey senses are telling me that two if not all three are scum.

One final thought: Based on the above, I said the Zeta wagon went very easily because scum backed it. Notice how the Omicron wagon isn't picking up steam? Now why would that be?

[Theta]

I like Pi. I wonder if we're friends outside the game.

Read Iota. Lurker Burrito Supreme. Reading Alpha now.

[Theta]

So...... can we please lynch Omicron now?

[Theta]

Good deal.


Dear scum,

Now's the time to bus your buddy.


Love,

Theta

[Theta]

omicron and iota are superduperobvobvobv lawlskumz

+1

mu = scum because all hes done is lurk and join bandwagons REALLY REALLY LATE plus endgame apathy/carelessness is a scumtell...

Ugh. I really really don't know what to do with Mu. He reminds me of Empking. Should've been lynched earlier.

idk about kappa though early game behavior said scum but he got a bit better as the game went on

I hate his claim with a passion. It's just all so coincidental. "Oh, the mason recruiter is dead? Well he recruited me. But he didn't recruit anyone else so I can't be verified, and we couldn't talk about things because of weird rules, and I'm telling you guys all this without being pressured because um." Yeah.

He's also avoiding the Omicron wagon after being on the Eta wagon. But then again he's voting Iota.

alpha would be a lock as scum except omicrons vote for him doesnt fit with omicrons known behavior to date

Don't be fooled by the weak distancing attempt. Omicron's behavior has changed because we're wagoning the crap out of him.

upsilon = wild card. need replacement fast

+1

theta gamma pi = superhero protown fraternity

YES

Someone be a hero and hammer.

[Theta]

Oh ninja'd. Hmm I don't see this as a scum gambit, it'd be far too risky. Although I'll await Max's answers I think this probably speaks towards you being legit.

Really now.

REALLY. I think he's definitely *in* the mason group and since I'm p sure a recruiting mason can't recruit scum then that'd speak for him being legit.

Sudden thought. Kappa is a survivor.

[Theta]

Eh. I mean I get where you're coming from but Omicron hasn't responded to anything yet really so why would (s)he start now?

Honestly, the silence is the right scum move. Less info for the town the better for them.

But I don't think we're operating under a deadline tho so.

---

Also, making sure this doesn't get lost:

lolwut timeline

899: Theta votes Zeta
900: Omicron votes Zeta

901: Omicron puts out a call

902: Iota votes Zeta
903: Alpha votes Zeta
904: Beta votes Zeta
905: Mu votes Zeta
906: Zeta lynch scene

901 is key.

Oh I bumped it to the next page. everyone flip back a page and read theta's last post if you didn't.

This is Omicron saying "Hey buddies we got a live one jump on." And jump on they did.

snoozefest timeline

957: Theta votes Omicron
963: Pi votes Omicron
1000: Mu votes Omicron
1002: Gamma votes Omicron
1006: Beta votes Omicron

Big difference no? Last time it took one little post from Omicron and Zeta was quicklynched. This time I'm jumping up and down screaming for a lynch and it's draaaaagging.

[Theta]

^^^ scum stalling, lynch plz.

[Theta]

Stalling for what? As far as I know we're not about to be deadlined, so it's not like i'm hopping to scare people when they have limited time to think at deadline or something with a big claim.

Stalling for time. Hoping we'll get distracted by something else.

I've already read Kappa. My vote's not moving. Distraction techniques are certainly not going to convince me of your innocence.

[Theta]

Omicron.

Are you the kind of bomb that blows up the person who hammers you?

[Theta]

Aww. There goes my win-win.

[Theta]

(It's a fakeclaim anyway because a townie bomb would claim doc to draw the NK. But that's neither here nor there)

Anyone have a hammer?

[]=======

[Theta]

Counter doc claim in this situation would be ridiculously silly.

While you're here, what's your opinion of Iota?

[Theta]

So which two are still alive then?

[Theta]

I'm disappointed to see that Omicron still breathes. It's also lulz that he avoided my question.

I don't think Omicron and Kappa are buddies. I think Kappa is 3rd party. And as much as I'd like to off him, we have more pressing issues.

BTW, thinking about Upsilon... I figure that one has to be town. We're wading through a quagmire to get scum lynched, so I think that means one of the townies isn't around to help.

Here's my version of the game state. I'm not sure where to put the oranges.

The World According to Theta

Omicron

(5):

Theta

,

Mu

,

Gamma

,

Beta

,

Pi

Iota

(1);

Kappa

Pi

(2);

Iota

,

Omicron

Mu

(1):

Alpha

Not Voting:

Upsilon

10 Alive, 6 To Lynch

[Theta]

@Theta Alpha and Pi.

Eh?

looks about right although I'm leaning town on mu for some reason.

Mu's voting record is far worse than Beta's.

[Theta]

Yeah. Two things you can do when you're going down in flames:

1. Try to start a counterwagon
2. Distance your buddies

This wagon isn't going to go away though so I wish your friends would just hammer and be done with it.

[Theta]

Of course not, Alpha. We'd hate for you to be unloyal to your buddy.

[Theta]

Yeah. I don't expect to make it through the night so make sure you kids get Iota tomorrow.

[Theta]

WTF asleep?

And of course they'd take Pi. Sigh.

So it seems we have two mafia groups - "Standard" and "Emperor". I wonder why one of those two decided only to NK once though.

Anyway I'm guessing Alpha is "Standard" and Iota is "Emperor".

Alpha, any reason we shouldn't string you up now?

[Theta]

sleep = scum abillity IMO.

Iota was a fucking PRIME lynch candidate today. And kappa was scummy too. No way people would use that on them as town.

I agree. It basically makes them lynchproof. It's a great scum gambit - Put your boys to sleep, let the town lynch a townie and go into night again.

You decide that you should bring them through to the meeting room in case they awake.

... but I wonder if they'll wake up if we wait. Or if we vote them. Or something. I

really

want Iota dead.

Also Theta, blocked kills? Mu was roleblocked twice wasn't he? Let me go re-read.

Was he?

If there is a doc responsible then (s)he's MVP of the game, because that's all that kept town in it.

The flip confuses the fuck out of me though. 2 mafia's makes *no* sense at all. Ughhhh.

No, it doesn't. The Zeta lynch had me 100% convinced we were dealing with a single, fairly well-coordinated, scum team. I'm not sure how to interpret it now.

Come on Alpha. I might get bored and push for your lynch here.

[Theta]

I guess I have to wonder what happened N1 then.

Mu, we're trying to figure out if we're lynching you or not. Please stand by.

[Theta]

Well crap Mu. Sorry about that. Close call.

So why do you think there were no kills for so long?

[Theta]

The hard deadline is a good thing. Now we aren't waiting forever to see if Iota and Kappa "wake up".

Have a theory. So we know we have two scum groups, and it's very very very likely that the sleep thing is a scum maneuver. Max scum per team for a game this size has to be 3, meaning max remaining scums per team is 2.

I'm guessing this power can't be used on the caster, so the caster is still awake. Iota was to be turbolynched today; this move pretty much seals his fate. But Kappa is another story. I don't think we were at the point that we wanted Kappa dead no matter what; so protecting him like this doesn't make a huge amount of sense.

My guess is that the Kappa deal is a frame job. Scum protected the remaining partner and a lynchable non-partner. (I still think Kappa is 3rd party though)

---

Scum

Alpha
Mu
Beta
Upsilon
Gamma
Theta

Town

... though I'm liking a Mu lynch more and more.

---

Upsilon, I'm not understanding why you would replace into a game and only read the last 3 pages.

Please read through the game and give your opinion on the remaining players. TIA.

[Theta]

hey theta are you scum with kappa?

God you remind me of Empking.

Please don't just be lazy. That's a silly connection.

Also, you didn't answer this:

So why do you think there were no kills for so long?

[Theta]

UMAD?

XD

I don't support a massclaim yet. I don't think it'll help us much.

Beta, stop lurking or I'll vote you.

[Theta]

We're waiting to see if Iota will wake up so we can lynch him, and also for Beta and Upsilon to post something worth reading.

[Theta]

they probably will wake up tomorrow.

What makes you say this?

Hi Beta. Scumlist plz.

[Theta]

That's actually a good answer.

Good news! I'm a magic genie. I'm granting you a daykill. *ZAP* Who do you use it on?

---

Prodded Upsilon.

I don't understand this.

Why do people continually replace into this player slot and then do absolutely nothing?


Dear Max,

I'm sorry people just sit around and won't play your game.


Love,

Theta

[Theta]

Hey Gamma, you willing to vote mu?

I think I want a claim from that one.

[Theta]

Yeah.

Beta, you willing to vote Mu? With yours that would be 4 willing to lynch, and I'd feel justified asking for a claim.

[Theta]

vote: Mu

lolz

[Theta]

Anyway, remember mafia you guys need to crosskill ;D

Alpha looks a good bet for scum as does Beta. One of the sleeping players is probs scum (iota) too.

+1 to both.

Don't let us powerless little townies stand in your way. Go nuts on each other.