Flash Mafia: You won!

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i'm ready for the epic

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rofl, I am town this game, how about you?

of course. lets be a wrecking ball.

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vote: rayfrost

for attempting to regress the game back to random votes when we obviously don't need random votes anymore. only scum want to hide in random votes instead of interact with the real action.

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vote: rayfrost

for attempting to regress the game back to random votes when we obviously don't need random votes anymore. only scum want to hide in random votes instead of interact with the real action.

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huh?

What real interaction is there at this point?

mufasa

various players re: mufasa

mike re: various players re: mufasa

so don't play stupid, scum

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so what does not agreeing with mike make you feel about his alignment? how does voting someone who hasn't even posted yet for "lurking" help the town? why shouldn't i simply believe its a way for you to avoid doing anything worthwhile and avoid attention yourself?

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think about what mike's motivation for posting as he did. does it benefit mike scum? does it benefit mike town? simply saying disagreement doesn't mean anything isn't good enough. everything is evidence. everything should influence your view on players. try harder and tell me again whether you think mike's post make him more likely to be scum or more likely to be town.

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fair enough. i actually like your answer, but its the night before thanksgiving and i'm already drunk, so i'm gonna leave my vote where it is for the time being.

ray - moderately scummy
tajo - moderately scummy
mike - moderately townie

everyone else DO MOAR

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unvote, vote: snow bunny

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snow white, why is wordlessly voting scummy?

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i'm torn about ray, what he did that i originally voted him for was scummy but i'm being swayed by how much he's flattering me. (i know, i know, all the flattery is actually scummy too, but i'm egotistical and want it to continue.)

green crayons' whole case is very solid though.

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it seemed sincere, which is a good sign someone is town, as compared to manufactured. its mostly a gut feeling thing.

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pom, if you think i'm defending a buddy (rayfrost) why are you starting a new wagon on me instead of joining the existing 4 person wagon? as far as i can tell your entire reason for voting me is what you believe to be contradictory statements.

they're not contradictory by the way, its perfectly possible to see a logical case against somone but still have a gut feeling they're town.

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prodded. i fell behind over the holidays because you guys apparently are all very unamerican and would rather post big giant posts than eat turkey for four days and sleep all afternoon. i'll catch up tonight after glee and prompty tell you who all the scum are.

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i'm really hungover from karaoke thursday last night and i'm sorry i didn't end up posting after glee because i'm lazy but i will be catching up just as soon as my headache goes away.

i have read literally nothing else, but post 415 is awesome and if i decide elvis is town upon reading i'll probably just be following her case

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i did some speedreading and i'm pretty confident elvis is town. certainly confident enough to shamelessly sheep on her.

vote: pom

i don't really understand why the focus shifted from mbf to pom, though. can someone give a concise explanation for why he's not being lynched?

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I'm not 100% sure. I'm fairly confident on both of them but my issue is I still see mbf-scum if pom-town but not the other direction.

Sooo

point me in the direction of any particular posts that make you believe this, if you can?

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the wagon got going so fast i can't join without hammering, which i won't be doing without ray saying something. girl on the internet seems very obvious as ray's partner trying to get a wagon going elsewhere.

ray's hammer was majorly bad, but i still don't think he's scum.

why?

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spyrex is 70% scum

i want a reason for this read

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seems like some scum don't want their easy mislynch to go up in smoke

alternately, they don't want their asshole scumpartner to blow up their spot with more stupid antics

i'm thinking its the former. ray should talk some more.

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>.<" messed up, was thinking of somebody else when I wrote that.

should be:

spyrex is town

EK is 70% scum

sorry~

even more need reason for this, because elvis is my only good read in this game, and thats town

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reasons for any and all of your reads, specific posts by players that swayed your read on them one way or the other, who seems to be connected, etc

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sigh. those were non-answers.

i've been burned in several games by rayfrost being a complete and total idiot who turns up town, but i'm ready to hammer

before that happens i want agoti to answer my earlier question. i'd appreciate if all other potential hammers can hold off til then too.

prozac, who are you going to be looking at if ray flips town?

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rofl, last I remember, the only time I flipped town in a game with you before this was with you-mafia-doctor.

IIRC, you were trying to kill me via lynch.

and failed thanks to Vi the awesome.

i'm counting your total self-destruction as serial killer among town flips for the purposes of you were not mafia, plus every game i've ever been in with you has been an endurance match to see how long i can stand your blathering. you're going on a list of players i won't willingly join a game with ever again.

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regardless of what he flips he's proven to me that he is among the elite group of players who are a detriment to their own win condition no matter what role they get

spyre, who will you be most interested in tomorrow if ray is town?

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regardless of what he flips he's proven to me that he is among the elite group of players who are a detriment to their own win condition no matter what role they get

Not really.

It's just a matter of me not understanding the deep complexities and intricacies that you mighty ones can delve into with nary a thought about it.

why did you think hammering pom without letting her even claim was a good idea?

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I was thinking the "have to unvote" rule would mean your vote (and mine) wouldn't count, rofl.

what did you expect to learn from such shenanigans?

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vote: porochaz

this is the right lynch

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hey everyone, before ray gets hammered by tajo, what is your opinion of porochaz, and why do you think ray is more likely to be scum than him?

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hey rofl, before ray gets hammered by tajo, do you think you could give a reason, maybe just one, about why Im more likely to be scum than ray?

sure. this post:

crypto please lynch and stop stalling.

Rofl I have made a post explicitely stating why I think AGOTI is scum and is largely seperate from Ray. Whether Ray flips scum or town I will be looking at her as my prime suspect. Otherwise I will be digging into the people who havent really held a spotlight in the game thus far.

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guys, seriously, porochaz is obv scum, its burning my eyes. spyrex in particular should stop ignoring him.

ray's attempted gambit with no apparent purpose is actually exactly what i would expect a dolt like him to pull as town. he didn't know what it would accomplish but HAY COOL I CAN GAME THE SYSTEM LEZ TRY IT!

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i had a busy weekend. we should still be lynching prozac. he's scummy as hell. i'll read up later.

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should have stuck to my guns on page two

most likely scumpartners, in order:
agoti - this came early on, and this caught my attention yesterday
crypto - friend of scum, plus later arguing that "mufasa wasn't going to get lynched" as a reason to chainsaw defend ray v mbf
tajo - this post

definitely town:
elvis
mikeburnfire

vote: a girl on a the internet

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no, rofl, crypto is town.

really? why?

all i see is crypto tiptoeing around ray on day one, calling him scummy a whole lot but not doing anything to get him lynched, then getting in line with the inevitability of it on day two and starting to lay false trails from ray to other people (i say false because at least one of them was to me)

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Crypto has gone after SB, who looks like the most likely to be a bussin on the ray wagon.

this reasoning is horrible

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i just love it when someone's defense is "ur not good at mafier s i don't care wut u say," which was crypto's whole response to me (plus snark)

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tajo unsurprisingly is not taking the full picture into account. if you want to try to lynch me for waffling on ray have fun, but look at pages two and three and tell me if you think thats a scum interaction between the two of us.

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i should be lynched today rather than hanging around to be an endgame mislynch

kill a girl on the internet, tajo and crpyto when i'm gone. if crypto is scum and neither of the other two are, kill elvis.

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i'm seriously just a liability to this town right now, but if you guys want to wait until tomorrow afternoon i'll try to go into more detail about my suspicions. today i've already had too much egg nog.

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well, self-voting for the cop confirmed innocent seems stupid at this point

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need to really think about who gets lynched today after that. 3/9 confirmed with the godfather dead should be enough.

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something about mike placing prozac before elvis, crypto and to a lesser extent myself is really not sitting well

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You are not confirmed town, so stop acting as such. Porochaz has been very helpful in ridding the world of the Rayscum scourge. You have not been nearly as helpful, and you'd have been killed for it had Elvis not stepped in.

Crypto has been back-and-forth off-the-walls, and I still haven't forgotten how Elvis tried to kill me Day 1, only to suddenly go after Pom. I feel much better about Poro than either of them, cop claim withstanding.

hmmm

somebody is upset that all their carefully planned mislynches just got blown up by the cop?

weren't we considering going back to mike when ray suddenly hammered pom on day one?

vote: mikeburnfire

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mikeburnfire is scum. no one but scum tries this desperately to discredit cop results.

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mbf and prozac are scum together and are desperately trying to prevent a situation where they would ever have to bus.

agoti should not claim

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lol ridiculous.
its mbf and prozac folks.

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part deux of elvis' post is straight bingo and why we need to be lynching mbf today. porochaz is just upset that i'm getting away with sloppy town play and not getting lynched for it now.

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But, in all seriousness, it's perfectly normal to be skeptical of a sudden cop claim. Get pissy if you want, but I'm not going to stop hunting.

you have stopped hunting though, because everything you've done since the claim has been devoted to undermining the claim in some way, not scum hunting.

seriously,

only scum have a reason to try so hard to discredit a claimed cop with two living innocents

because it is one of the WORST THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN TO THE SCUM

now can we please get this mikeburnfire lynch going?

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mbf and prozac are scum together. they are desperate for both of them to survive. it is blatantly obvious.

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prozac, why is what i have said about mbf's actions re: cop not applicable? why are the four other players scummier than he is? you are making statements without any sort of backup.

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Why are you against the AGOTI lynch?

because you and mbf are scum, and i don't think there are more than two scum left, so by process of elimination everyone else is town and i am against lynching town?

duh.

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However your case is crap.

given that you're scum with mbf and he's your last remaining partner, you would be inclined to say that. you haven't given any reasons to believe it though, which in itself is telling.

why is discrediting the claimed cop plus two innocents (three people the scum suddenly aren't going to be able to lynch ever if the town believes the cop) NOT something that is astronomically more likely to come from scum than from town?

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crypto what do you think of mbf and prozac?

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Roflcopter, they aren't as scummy as SB is. But I'll have to do a reread at some point to sort out their convo with you and EK.

you should do that as soon as possible, since we really need to be lynching one of them today.

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we avoid the problem altogether when we lynch mike and he flips scum

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how's this for a reason elvis: by the end of day one the lynch options were clearly pom or mike, and were in the process of being hashed out (by me at least, i believe by more people) when ray swooped in and hammered pom out of the blue, an action that saved mike.

and if you have ever seen ray play any game of mafia, you'd know that he is prime, grade-a bus meat. the guy is always a train wreck and is pretty much guaranteed to get lynched at some point, so why wouldn't scum bus him from the getgo for maximum town cred? it certainly seems to have snowed a lot of people in mike's case.

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yeah every now and then i have a flash of brilliance

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questions. right. knew i missed something.

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If I flipped town, would you still go after Porochaz?

i hate these "if i flip town then what" type questions, but the answer is yes. i believe that what you're doing is scummier than what prozac is doing, which is why i'm trying to lynch you and not him right now. but if you are town, his more subtle support of your position re: cop and his obvious buddying with you make him the obvscum who is happy to have you as his pet townie.

Likewise, if Porochaz flipped town, would you still go after me?

this is unlikely to come up since if i get my way you die first, but yes because what you're doing is scummy in its own right, and does not need to be connected to prozac to be scummy. the fact that you two can't stop fawning over how town the other one is just makes me more sure that you're scum together.

If neither of us are scum, then would I be correct in assuming you'd go after AGOTI and Tajo?

yes, if i had a good reason to believe neither one of you was scum, i would likely be after agoti and tajo. agoti raised a good point in regards to the wagon on you, which is if she is town you are almost guaranteed to be scum because no scum were even attempting to push a counterwagon on you when rayfrost was getting run up on day one. given that i strongly believe you are scum, i currently think agoti is highly likely to be town. the way that argument was just presented also felt very town. it was made in a "this needs to be looked at after i'm dead, since i'm already a dead man walking" sort of way, something that dead scum walking aren't often inclined to do.

Well, to my credit, I haven't ever played a game with RayFrost, as I only recently got back into playing mafia.

even the most cursory meta investigation of ray would reveal that he is like kryptonite to his faction. i have no way of proving whether or not you meta'd anyone, but if you did draw a scum role i would expect a player of your caliber to check out the credentials of his new scumpartners, so the uber-bus of ray is not made less likely by the fact that you've only just returned to playing mafia after a long absence.

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i've just realized one possibility that will make me stop going after you. normally it would not be good play to ask for a claim here, but since we already have claimed cop + two still living innocent results, and you and prozac are not among that group of people, if you are masons together you should just claim now. if you are not masons, obviously do not claim, but accept the fact that i will not stop trying to lynch you.

five innocents is practically guaranteed to be an insurmountable obstacle for the scum, and it would nicely explain all the buddy-buddy "he's more town than even the claimed cop" crap you two have been pulling.

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we avoid the problem altogether when we lynch mike and he flips scum

why dont you just read what I posted about him in my post and tell me why do you disagree with me?

i've made very clear why i believe he is scum and why there isn't any compelling reason to think he could not have bussed ray

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I'm really not liking Rofl's change of attitude from "lynch me I don't care" to "I'm confirmed town let's lynch the one who's against that".

wow, thats a horrific misrepresentation. it was never "lynch me i don't care" it was "lynch me because its better for my mislynch to happen today rather than at endgame"

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too drunk to read this game tonight and i'm guessing i'll be too hungover for most of tomorrow, btu rest assured i'm still here and happy new years everybody

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too drunk to read this game tonight and i'm guessing i'll be too hungover for most of tomorrow, btu rest assured i'm still here and happy new years everybody

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so drunk i doubleposted, cause i;m a CHAMPION

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I want each and every one of you to go through Snow_Bunny's iso. and tell me why she is not worthy of a lynch.

cause she's not mbf

OH GOD MY HEAD time for mimosas

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no but crpyto seriously vote for mike

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i'm suddenly very interested in the possibility that mike is town, i'm a stubborn ass and tajo is scum

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, i intend to get on the tajo wagon later, i'm too lazy to count the votes myself and i have to drive up to my cousins' place for dinner. i will also look up what prozac keeps telling me to answer when i get back from that. it would be super if he or someone else could quote it again to make my life easier.

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vote: tajo

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i totally deserve the vicious cold i now have. i brutally murdered my immune system with alcohol. sinus headache ow.

why are people moving off tajo? tajo needs to be lynched.

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Also just remembered something:

agoti, after invi4 and how I tricked you with my hider claim with rolf at L-1, why do

you

think elvis is telling the truth?

this post

its scummy

lynch tajo

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but it is begging agoti to think that. which means agoti is town when you flip scum.

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its begging/cajoling/attempting to influence the opinion of agoti, and it all adds up to the fact that you are scum and s/he is town

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hey tajo, remember how iamausername lurked through the first half of that game, and then made a massive post summarizing his reads, in which he named four players as scum, and all of them were scum?

obviously, since situations in that game and situations in this game are one and the same, this proves that i am right about tajo and prozac. QED, bitchez.

(starting work on part 2 now)

Yeah exactly right. Good Logic there.

i thought it was great

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sweet post

i'm down for lynching tajo or prozac

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why isn't tajo dead yet? i don't understand the hold up here.

unless anyone is interested in lynching prozac, which i'm also down for.

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i'm standing fast on no more than two more lynches today

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i'm standing fast on no more than two more lynches today

i'm posting in the wrong thread like a jackass

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sweet

vote: prozac

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yeah i'm pretty well convinced its either prozac or snow bunny. i like prozac's chances of being scum a bit better than bunny's.

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Rofl, whats your deal with poro, and what happened to you being sure MBF was scum?

well, i think poro is scum, and i stopped thinking mbf was scum when i said this:

i'm suddenly very interested in the possibility that mike is town, i'm a stubborn ass and tajo is scum

unvote

, i intend to get on the tajo wagon later, i'm too lazy to count the votes myself and i have to drive up to my cousins' place for dinner. i will also look up what prozac keeps telling me to answer when i get back from that. it would be super if he or someone else could quote it again to make my life easier.

snow white's shenanigans on this page aren't making me happy, but i am 99.9% sure that the scum has to be within {snow white, snow bunny, porochaz}, and we'll have the opportunity to lynch all of those people anyway.

i am considering myself and rhinox cleared town, and agoti and mbf circumstantially cleared.

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final vote count day 3

A girl on the internet (4): Snow_Bunny, Populartajo, Porochaz
Populartajo (5): Snow White, Roflcopter, a girl on the internet, elvis_knits , mikeburnfire

Not voting (1): Rhinox.

with 9 players, it was 5 to lynch

the agoti wagon developed by the end of yesterday into an obv desperation counterwagon to save tajo. everyone should note how much effort prozac put into trying to shift votes from tajo to agoti. this is why i'm voting prozac right now and not snow bunny (but given where her vote was sitting its almost just as good, my gut just says its prozac)

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I dont have anything else to say in regards to this game atm. AGOTI is very likely scum but I can go for a Snow Bunny lynch.

unvote vote Snow Bunny

I believe you have done so already but if you havent, its time to claim.

this is at the point when action very suddenly shifted yesterday from tajo to snow bunny. all of the sudden prozac is willing to entertain a non agoti lynch? yeah, thats because its all anyone but tajo and he just wants to get through the day with a mislynch.

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last in a series of multiposts - everyone should go back and read agoti's posts from yesterday detailing everyone's interactions, and in particular look at what he writes about tajo-prozac interactions. its compelling stuff.

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i would still greatly prefer if we could get this lynch on prozac first

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unvote, vote: snow bunny

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if the game isn't over lynch prozac tomorrow, even if (especially if) i'm dead