Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game Over!
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This is the logic I am using to some degree, it isn't always right but...
Zwet lynch as an example.
Was zwet acting scummy? Yup.
Did everyone agree? Yup.
Was zwet scum? Nope.
There wasn't any resistance there because zwet didn't have anyone advocating for them. No one at all, really. It was quite the sad and lonely death.
Now almost as soon as zwet dies, Hayker is up to like five or 6 in a heartbeat. In a freaking heartbeat. For a bunch of guys who totally blew it on the last lynch, everyone is happy to move on to that next lynch.
So, then, after tons of arguments, people are like "DoS is scummy, yeah."
But again and again people seem to shift, turn, and try to divert this lynch. Again and again. The fact that DoS has decided to finally post ONLY when the votes back up his death should make everyone's radar go off. He was more than content to stay out of the way until his focus was required to stay alive.
As a townie, vanilla or not, your focus should be on scumhunting REGARDLESS of the pressure on you. I shouldn't need to rub a lamp, make ten votes magically appear on you, for you to start trying.
He does not make content for killing scum.
He makes content to stay alive.
This attitude is clearly not from a town perspective, and thus must die.
It is that simple.
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You know, slow night for me so I decided to read over a game where DoS was third party and his posts are reminding me a lot of this game, I am speaking of Legecy of the Ancients mafia. I don't know how anti-town his role was in that game, haven't gotten more than a cursory glance, but man his posts really remind me of this game.-
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No problem, I have plenty more where it came from. By the way I have quite a bad memory Maemuki, can you remind me what your defense of yourself was? You don't appear very memorable to me, I think your posts lack a certain substance to them at times. I am not saying you are scummy as much as you aren't sticking into my mind. I was being sarcastic, but at the same time I feel no... intent from you. I feel if I was scum I could completely dominate you in a way that would make you a joke, and probably make you feel broken and abused. Your posts are light. There is a term in boxing, and I am sure in other sports, where they call punches "Light." In that way, they lack effectiveness. I feel a sort of lightness from your posts, in your diction, and in your mannerisms. I do not suspect a player of RF's personality to feel anything from such light words coming from you. So while I was being a jerk, I had a bit of sincerity mixed in as well.-
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It isn't about activity though. You have to give more weight in your posts. If you told RF that his posts was unacceptable and he needs to be held accountable, he might ignore you, but if you keep pointing it out, eventually, people are going to say, 'dude, just respond.' It is how mafia works. You get pressure and weight not only by your own voice, but by your ability to reason with other players for them to lend you their weight to punch someone's lights out. At the start of this game, I had no weight in anyone's mind because I was a completely new player. It showed. I was ignored, brushed off, and moved into a corner while the 'big boys' had their say. Then I got pissed, and suddenly people realized I was making a point. Can't claim it is RIGHT quite yet, but boy do I have a point. Suddenly I am leading a lynch, and my posts get a lot of responses and a lot of heed. Why? Because I forced them to heed me. I just wouldn't shut up until they did. When a person has one out of every seven posts in a game, and is really just posting a metric ton about something, it eventually either going to be noticed directly or people are going to question why it is being shunned to the side.
Something to keep in mind, regardless of your alignment in games: No matter the result and opinions of other players about your posts, you always learn something. You might not get the result you want, and when you don't it sucks, but even if someone ignores you, that might tell you something. Your job as town is to convey that to your town members at key times, your job as scum is just to stabbity stab someone.
Sorry if this sounded like a lecture, you are your own mafia player and you may do as you wish. I just wish people had more fangs.-
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The only way to rid yourself of shame is to change how you play. I don't even want to know what my playstyle looked years ago. I do know I have evolved over the past couple of years as I started to play more and more.
You are a player in this game, I always think mafia is a battle of wills to some degree. I just think it is sad that you have opinions but those opinions might as well not even be posted if you are going to be content to not effect another person.
So, Maemuki, since we have the topic to ourselves what have you thought about my play so far? I'll say it outright, this is one of many scum tests that I give people to see how they read to me, so please, be honest. Or lie. Whichever applies.-
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DoS why did you say my scumdar was broken if you truly believe I am scum.
Also why were you content to let me go when I got active but because I stuck with you decided to believe I am scummy. Just what is it about me that you find scummy? I don't mean that vaguely, I mean what specifically is this scummy? Is it just the appeals and the bullying? Is that all it takes to make you believe someone is scummy? kthnx.-
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By all means, I play pretty similarly actually these days. I used to have a large gap, and then I improved my scumplay.
... Then I had to quit that board because everyone feared me so massively.
That was a sad day for me.
But anyway goofball person how about you vote DoS and I'll give you a "won't hold it against you" card of good and justice. This means I personally won't metagame in any way the end lynch of DoS, purely to let us end the day so we may enjoy our christmas with good cheer. Whatcha say?-
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Well, not quite biting my nails. More like thinking "Holy crap I just lead this lynch completely, I hope I don't fall flat on my face and just look terrible." I don't find any other lynch acceptable, I stick to that. I know it must be a weird concept, I just really hope my reads were correct, I don't know what to say.-
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Well, yeah, but that didn't help my want to get him killed. I think he is scum, shrug.DrippingGoofball wrote:
You never had the chance to express some doubts about it before I hammered? Erm. Wait. You did.Sir Chris wrote:I mean, everything fits, don't get me wrong. Don't mistake my nervousness for wanting to lynch someone else, I stand behind this lynch fully. I just wanted to voice my thoughts a bit, I have never had the chance to do it before.-
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copy/paste what I wrote at the end of day one.
Well, that looked promising, guess not. Not the result I wanted, but I think there is a lot to be learned from the flip.
Also I am going to guess that a few people are going to call for my head, unsure if this is more of a scum reaction to try to follow up the mislynch with an easy carry over lynch or a town tendency to assign blame. Even though it was obviously the wrong result, I stand by the fact that DoS did himself no favors day one and his play really was jarring. I mean argue with me all you want, but to say that his movie madness play mirrored his play here is just not true. That’s going to be the basis of my opening post, is that the way which people defended DoS was simply not genuine.
I think I am going to point to Post 26 by Saberwolf now as a big “Holy crap this person knows too much.” Type of deal where when I asked saber to comment, he replied with we were both town. Furthermore, looking through the topic now knowing the two town members who are dead, saber’s posts are interesting. He goes from shooting my case down for lacking punch to saying BWs are fun and hopping on zwet. Just seems like a very weird double standard to me.
Then at post 50 for saber in this topic he gets hyper defensive against me, telling me to get my facts straight about the content he has provided. So saber looks awful to me.
Now, I was pretty OK with Goofball person lady until after the lynch. You may view my own posts however you like, but goofball’s responses to me were weird.
You just hammered someone, which usually means you think they are scummy. Now Goofball has been back and forth on the lynch, sure, but a DoS post in theory convinced goofball that it was the last straw. So we are to assume for a moment that Goofball has a pretty good faith belief, or at the very least a bit of a scum feeling, for DoS. I am sure a lot of people did, he looked bad.
But then I did my thing where I showed my nervousness and Goofball jumps down my throat. Basically in post 94 from Goofball she is all but calling me scum, noting that “But if I were scum, I might fake it exactly like you just did.” I find that interesting because that seems to be implying she knows that DoS is going to flip town. Unless she thought that I had just spent the entire day bussing my own scumbuddy for cred. I don’t like that at all. I just think that if you thought I had lead a lynch on a scum member you wouldn’t take such a perspective from my honest comments.
So those two look awful to me right from the get go.
I still think that Ace looks pretty good, if anyone is curious. I can’t see scum striking out at me right then and right there, if it means anything to anyone.
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Well I think hayker would be an interesting vote, now that DoS has proven himself to be on town's side of things. On the other hand I still find it very weird how some people were saying that DoS' play was reminding them of his movie madness play when, honestly, the play was totally different, even if it ended up being town both ways.-
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Hayker looks like a complete idiot which is why his vote on DoS worries me. That vote was... very on point with my beliefs of DoS at the time. Yet in general his posting is pretty bad.
I am going to be busy for a little bit but then I'll be able to post more.
I still think Goofball attacking me about my nervousness before the flip is such a bad tell, but we'll see.-
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Joe I swear to god if you pull this "Look at me I am content to let other people call me useless isn't that just great" I am going to shove a foot so far up your ass that your vocal chords will not even be able to yell out in protest.
Seriously, you don't post in this topic with a single response to one thing and be a smartass like that. That's, like, not how you play mafia and stuff. That's a total disgrace.-
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People who were on both of lynches: Reckoner, Goofball, Cobalt, Gorrad.
Saberwolf ended the day on a confirmed town, RayFrost's final two votes were on two town.
Part of the problem here is I have to face the reality as a town member people I "convinced" could be scum and people who disagreed with me could be scum too. It is a big explosion of possibility. So kind of jotted down these names just that they seem like a good starting place to check their logic. I was pretty clear in asking everyone to explain themselves and to discuss openly the lynch. So there should be a fair bit of information out there today for all of us to go back and look at.-
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Reckoner, Goofball, Cobalt, Gorrad.
Reckoner post:
Maybe I am just being super overly paranoid here, I tend to get there quickly, but Reckoner going along (even if he claimed to be kicking and screaming) with two lynche and then saying ace is a potential lynch is just something I don’t get. It is possible I have a misread on ace, but what does he gain from going after me that late, it doesn’t make sense. And did he seriously thank someone for killing town? Oh my god… what’s wrong with him? That’s just… ergh. (By the way, reading this from the most recent back, so I am talking about day two.)
Also while my appeals to emotion are genuine reckoner’s seem really forced and stuff. I don’t know, they just seem phrased oddly. OK so he hopped on the DoS lynch screaming about how it wouldn’t shift, got it.
As for his zwet vote… Actually, one last thing. He said he has his eye on DoS and then cried a river about voting for him, that just seems so damn forced now. Interestingly though, Reckoner attacks one of the other three people who both ended their votes on both town members, Cobalt. Not sure what to think of that at this juncture, really.
And the zwet thing was kind of standard meta stuff, which seemed OK at the time.-
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Goofball Post:
Maybe it is simpler than I think. Maybe the obvious guy really is scum, but damn I hate to lynch just obviously bad players. Because the reason to lynch them is usually "they are bad" and not "they are scum." I know that does overlap at times but, meh. So Goofball voting joe gets to me. But at the same time I am obviously not perfect and don't nail scum 100% of the the time so I don't have super scum tells for dummies memorized or anything.
Like this response here. Before any of us knew what DoS flipped, Goofball's tone made it out like I was scum trying to build a case against her. "Nice try" instead of an attempt to reason with me. My mistake with DoS was that I just expected him to play better from his meta, and since his meta contrasted so differently and until he had 10 or so votes he couldn't be bothered to give us the time of day, I just assumed he was being scummy. In other words the only problem with my case is that DoS wasn't scum. Yet she shouldn't have known that. So why so cold towards me in the after-lynch. It just felt like the room had frozen and Goofball wanted to cut my neck off and smile as I died helplessly, her tone was absolutely frigid, automatically assuming the worst. I haven't had a chance to meta Goofball yet, but it'd be great if anyone can tell me such leaps of logic are town meta for her.DrippingGoofball wrote:EBWOP QUOTE TAGS
Nice try but no score, Sir Chris.Sir Chris wrote:How troublesome. Although if you are town DGB's behavior makes sense as scum, grilling me so hard on a flip not yet known yet.
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Cobalt is the player that reminds me most of me as scum, but that doesn't mean he is scum. I can just see his posts and they are so smooth talking in a very subtle way. Like, nothing smooth about them overtly but he sheds pressure inanely well. This can mean he is either a really awesome town player or a really awesome scum player, so what I just said is that cobalt is an awesome player who if town let a mistake cow him in terms of scumhunting. That's odd. Now sure he was horribly wrong about zwet, like I was horribly wrong about DoS, but mistakes happen, and short of knowing I am not perfect or thinking it makes me scummy, it shouldn't really hinder when I present logic on people to get lynched today or any other day. If the logic is there, if you think I am making sense, you vote with me. That's how mafia works a lot of the times. Scum's job is to lie well enough to make their logic seem genuine and to avoid dying. So Cobalt going all like "Man, Chris' logic is right and I was wrong on zwet, let's go with Chris!" seems just weird to do if he is good, which I think he is. Because that's not the move I am making nor would ever make. Then, after admitting that he more or less released control to my awesome logic here:
Then kinda forgets that and decides that clearly I am scum here:Cobalt wrote:
chris says he's scum, he has a good case, I was horribly wrong on zwets, so...Papa Zito wrote:
Just like zwet amirite?Cobalt wrote:Ew, vanilla claim. kill da scumbag plz
@Dragons: Actually I'm kinda confused, why are you claiming anyway?
also, there's STILL no support for a DN wagon.
Now sure he does back off really fast without prodding saying it was a dumb emotional play, but what I would like to know, Cobalt, is what was there to be emotional about? Sure, I appear to have appealed to emotion in some form or whatever but yourself said my case was good. So why so upset? I would like this answered.Cobalt wrote:oh hey chris what's up
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And last but not least, RayFrost
It is troubling to me that many of these player seem to have the line of thinking that killing joe is really just a pro idea on all accounts. It could be a pro idea, but the fact that two or three of these players are going 'Man, let's do this!' just makes me nervous, as I have great distrust of the first three looking back at them.
Well, I actually like RayFrost. Honestly I just read his posts and aside from being troublesome on personal level, he looks good. His posts are to the point, blunt, and lack a feel that he is holding ANYTHING back whatsoever. I feel like every point he makes is going for a deathblow and he has the potential to just snap on a player in an instant and try to spell their doom. I have a really positive read on RayFrost's play so far, but if he is very good he could be scum still, but he is by far, in my eyes, the best looking of that fourpack.-
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Also I cannot imagine for the life of me why in the nine circles of hell that a scum team would kill Maemuki, talk about a player that, as scum, I would have used and abused while laughing. I would be shocked if that wasn't a town kill, or maybe an independent that thought she was a good suspect for being scum.
No offense, of course.-
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