A Roccisi Winter - Game Over

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Time and again, the czar scanned the index of participants, and time and again his eyes fell upon the same names:

iamausername

,

tatetothetot

,

TheButtonmen

. His fists clenched with rage, and suddenly there swept over him a desire to seize the data processing machine by its brass-framed monitor and tear it apart, smash it on the marble walls till the clockworks unraveled and rattled down the gas-lit corridor. Damn to the depths these men, these impostors, who dared register names nearly as long as his own. The poseurs! He'd have them lynched, oh, yes, he would. Each and every one of them.

Only—he hadn't a clue where to start. Woe was the czar, for he was awash with that most dreadful impairment

Paralyticus par analyticus

.

*

Vote: tatetothetot

bandagon gogogo

Lo! Before long, Sopianae—a fine gentleman, the czar knew, if only by virtue of his humbly short name—solved the czar's problem for him.

* Translated "paralysis by analysis." Sorry, don't know an ounce of Latin. Will tackle it in college.

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vote: tatetothetot

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Tubby, not sure such a thing would be good for anyone but the mafia. Feel free to elaborate.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

I think I agree that tubby's suggestion ultimately boils down to a distraction for the town.

And if, like in a number of setups (as far as I know), there are five or six scum split into a couple of families, then yes, the group certainly could wind up imbalanced.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

unvote
vote: kyle99

Excuse fails. Your last post was made something like an hour and forty-five minutes after his suggestion. Why do you say his suggestion is scummy in the first place?

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Why would pact members get a free ride?

Because kyle99 is scum impatient for a mislynch.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

whose alt are you Пётр Рома́нов?

FFFFF, you figure it out.

Just search my posts. There are only a few of them at this point. I managed to post in one of my main's games before this game even started.

My main isn't really high profile, though, so whatever. (shrug)

Speaking of which—

So I open the floor, doesn't anyone have past experience with players here that would warrant a policy lynch?

(snicker)

Пётр Рома́нов

Yesh, Aetp Pomahob.

And please, czar, no roleplaying. It's a complete waste of text, functionally speaking. I'm glad you don't seem to be keeping it up.

Insolent whelp. Be glad you're voting the right person here or I would shoot you through the ear and do a painting with your brain juices.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Oh, look, Adel has signed up as my own personal publicist. /headdesk

What exactly is the scum motivation for temporarily pretending not to have seen tubby's suggestion?

Laziness. Spitting out a thin lie about a seemingly minor point so the tubby wagon wouldn't get stuck in an "Oh, hai, kyle flip-flopped" rut. Kyle had to give a little push because

kyle99 is scum impatient for a mislynch.

[i[finger fail[/i]

lolOL0loLOlol0LoLOLol0L

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Could also result in not reading posts, and therefore missing tubby's suggestion initially. Why assume that isn't the case?

Scum lie more often than Mafia players refuse to read half the first page of a brand new fricking game.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Tajo, I'm obviously not sold on anything at this point, but kyle's reaction sucked for . . . um, the reasons I said it sucked. I take zero issue with the stance, per se. I think he was lying when he wagoned on tubby and basically claimed not to have read half of page 1. No reaction to tubby followed by piggybacking on the momentum versus tubby does the trick for me. Kyle's certainly my top suspect right now (that said, I find top suspects a pretty silly concept so early).

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

/inb4prod

Sorry for silence. Had nil time to post past day or two. I am mostly caught up with the game, though I'll probably need to reread to shake off the rust.

[x]

Pyotr C. Romanof-9 game posts and needs to start playin this game, but i will wait untill monday before i make a big fuss out of this

[y]

also allowing adel to dominate the town not good mmkay

I assure you there is a

very strong correlation

between

x

and

y

. Those who have played with me before know what's up.

Especially Benmage.

*glances sidelong at Benmage*

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Rereading. Sorry, no content, just a burning question: Is there a reason Neopi writes his posts like a clown-nosed monkey riding a unicycle and juggling dynamite and throttling kittens with his tail?

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

unvote
vote: Annachie

Sigh. This game. My eyes. Adel: less "tactics" bullshit, more scum hunting. Ecto: less choking dramatically on charter and orto's drama bullshit, more scum hunting. Charter: less drama bullshit, more . . . well, yeah, other than that you get a sticker. Orto: less drama bullshit, more scum hunting.

Would still be happy with a kyle99 lynch. Nhammen is also failing scum tests left and right. Annachie's statement that charter isn't scum-hunting is a load of crap. It's pretty obvious that he is scum-hunting. Looking at

Annachie's

posts, I don't see jack shit.

Scum-O-Meter

[0.1] Cobalt
[0.1] iamausername
[0.2] Sopianae
[0.2] tubby216
[0.3] charter
[0.3] Neopi
[0.3] Sanhora
[0.4] Benmage
[0.4] Ectomancer
[0.4] ortolan
[0.4] populartajo
[0.4] Plum
[0.4] Socrates
[0.5] Adel
[0.5] Bogre
[0.5] tatetothetot
[0.6] Starbuck
[0.6] TheButtonmen
[0.7] kyle99
[0.8] Annachie
[0.8] nhammen

Grumble, grumble. Too many reads polarizing . Grumble, grumble, grumble.

FOS: kyle99, nhammen
slap: Adel
stab: ortolan
meds: Neopi

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Hai, also, can someone please tell me who the flying fap Cobalt is an alt of?

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

I'm not an alt you enormous buffoon

STFU, fatty.

Which posts of charter's specifically led you to the conclusion that he

is

scum hunting?

Which lead you to think he isn't?

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Cobalt's posts feel town in general. A lot of the time they just look too ... whack for Cobalt to be scum. E.g.:

time to hop off the fence

Can you promise me we'll pursue a tate lynch tomorrow if I help you today?

I don't get the Ecto hate, he seems town to me.

While I was cobbling that list together I had him somewhere between 0.1 and 0.3. There's nothing about his posts that absolutely screams town, so 0.1 is probably a notch too high, but yeah, in that general area.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Which posts of charter's specifically led you to the conclusion that he

is

scum hunting?

Which lead you to think he isn't?

Please answer my question first. It is rude to answer a question with a question.

It is also rude to waste time, words, and patience with pointless questions. Would you like me to quote everything charter's done that leads me "to the conclusion that he

is

scum hunting?" Fair enough.

vote Annachie
Scum.

I don't think we are going to do tubby's plan, so discussion about it should cease.

No, we're not listening to Ecto. FOS Adel for capitulating.

FOS Cobalt as well. Way too eager to policy lynch a quarter of the people in the game. HORRIBLE IDEA TOWN. I'd go so far as to call Cobalt probable scum.

Catching up since page four or whatever.

tajo is town, good stuff.

Plum is scummy.

...

I don't think Kyle is scum. Annachie is. Your 'Adel told Bogre to claim miller' theory is ridiculous.

...

Same here.

Cobolt's 184, scummy. Cobolt what do you think of Annachie? Is he your scumbuddy or another faction?

Scum:
Annachie
Cobolt
dunno

[slew of anti–policy lynch posts, accusatory to various degrees]

To demand a list of five lurkers implies that five people are lurking, which is total bs. Also bs to hunt lurkers two days after the game has started.

This idea is just going to create a mass of chaos and lurkerhunting and detract from scumhunting. Why are you still pushing it?

Did you miss me calling you scum? Calling tajo town? Calling Cobalt scum? Quashing anti town ideas?
Your accusations are very poor.

All this aside, Cobolt is REALLY OBVIOUSLY scum. He needs to die today. Along with Annachie.

Neopi, Annachie, Cobolt - All scum.

Good call on username. As scum, he seems to lurk a bit, then come in with insightful sounding posts every once in a while.

Could be sneaky scum.

Hmmm, I took the second quote to be something more along the lines of 'I'll delay the lynch I want to get an easy one in first' which is pretty scummy.

Looks to me like charter eats, drinks, and shits scum hunting. (Shrug.) Dunno about you.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

charter is serving as a model of scumhuntung in this game?

That's a massive stretch. Him scum-hunting ≠ me fawning over him scum-hunting.

/falls asleep at keyboard

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Pyotr, 427. Your various Fingers of Suspicion, slaps, stabs, and whatever silly bullshit you use don't match up to your scum-o-meter's readings. Why is that?

Er, no, the "silly bullshit" doesn't conflict with my stated reads at all. I FOSed the players at the scum end of the meter. I chastised Adel and ortolan and poked fun at Neopi for aspects that are not alignment-indicative.

Adel 443: I wouldn't agree with Pyotr, really. charter is simply butting heads, refusing to back down, and calling scum without giving much substantial backing. I agree with a lot of his reads though.

This is why I emphasized the difference between acknowledgment of charter's effort and agreement with his methods after Adel claimed I had voiced the latter. There's a stark difference between the two. I don't take major issue with charter's play thus far, but it doesn't dazzle me—but I do understand what he's doing.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

unvote
vote: kyle99

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

First off, there is no reason for such ridicule and it is against the site rules. Please refresh yourself by reading the following link:Forum Rules and Guidelines.

I do believe that Neopi is just a kid. That's how I always have felt since I first encountered him, but that doesn't give you the liberty to be a jackass.

Fucking hell, you're still unbearable. I was

kidding

.

Also, if it's so loaded, why didn't you answer it?

Are you ... Is this a serious question? Do you know what "loaded" means? Hint: It isn't a sign of approval.

Pyotr backing down after stating that charter's been doing the most scumhunting implies that he wanted to boost charter's town cred, but got caught. Observe the change in tone:

[quotes snipped]

Hm.

Sorry, bud, your interpretation of "charter eats, drinks, and shits scum hunting" as "charter eats, drinks, and shits the greatest scum hunting to grace this game" is laughable.

He's not my scumbuddy

EPIC FAIL.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Not Content

Are you done being unbearably rude yet? I play mafia to have fun, not to sit and have to put up with someone who is being blatantly rude.

Is this how you will be the entire game? Please let me know now, so I can replace out and not deal with this.

Oh, hai. Please replace out now. As usual you get easily sidetracked from the actual game and instead hop on your condescension soapbox post after post. You just don't learn, do you?

Content

More kyle99 votes, please. Neopi is town.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

I have a few places where I am willing to put my vote; I will decide shortly.

Translation: "Hi, I'm waiting to see which wagon I should jump on."

Amazing how quickly Starbuck went from being a humorless, condescending preacher to playing the victim. *shrug*

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Excuse me while I usurp Adel and get you lynched in one fell swoop.

unvote
vote: Benmage

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

EBWOP: Usurp Adel's throne. Word on the street is you can't usurp a person.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

If you unvote now and vote kyle99 (or Annachie or nhammen, I guess), your sin of self-vote shall be forgiven.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

You were pretty rude to him. It was fairly clear that he just did a lot of travelling, and to receive that kind of reception and being accused of lurking must have been frustrating.

What? Starbuck walked in and immediately started preaching about how I was a horrible person. She called me a jackass and then left because I snapped back at her. I'll accept the Jerk tag but the shame falls squarely on her shoulders.

/conversation

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Blargh.

unvote
vote: kyle99

Better option.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Kyle's been posting in his other games, too. Obvious lurking newb scum.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Stellar case against me, Benmage.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Good posting.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

You're the one with the active town meta...

Using meta as the base of ANY case is a bad idea 99% of the time. Pro tip: This situation does not fall into the other 1%.

the guy who takes pride in being nothing less than 20% of the total threads posts...

I don't take pride in it. I've said many times that it's something I need/try to improve on.

Why so quite this game?

This will be my thirty-first post in a nine-day-old game. Three posts per day isn't quiet. I'm mostly ignoring the constant slap-fighting between you and Adel because it's (a) annoying and tedious and (b) the definition of obstructive, game-choking, life-sucking, town-demotivating play. Whichever one of you is scum—if one of you is scum—is doing a hell of a job killing the town's overall interest in the game.

Also, it's a holiday. I don't know about you, but I tend not to spend prolonged holiday seasons sitting in front of my comp all day churning out posts. That said, I'm content with the mental observations I've made so far in this game.

...scum coasting, is all i can go off of...

Pioneering wagons—as I've done—is the direct opposite of scum coasting.

Its a gut read...its not meant to be the best

Correction: It's a gut read based on a false meta. Recipe for disaster (on your part).

but its a start especially since theres nothing else to really go off of. (Maybe if i iso'd your 30 posts i'd find something more concrete...been a little busy )

A case with a shitty foundation is invariably a shitty case. Rock out.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

I disagree with rofl's Annachie read, but I do recommend that all Annachie wagoners hop on the kyle wagon, or the nhammen wagon if totally necessary.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

ITT we learn Benmage exaggerates posting frequency, misrepresents meta, bases said misrepresented meta on a single game, and fails to understand self-deprecating humor. Oh, and Ben bitches out roflcopter for voting for him even though Ben was self-voting five minutes ago.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Cause thats not an exaggeration(massive sarcasm) ...you gonna link an example?

You self-voted earlier this game, and I know for a fact you've done it in AT LEAST one other game.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Crypto you gonna link/quote me a game where you said you were trying to ease back on your posting habit...or is this some new epiphany that i'm suppose to just accept...

If you took some other random quote out of context, you can do the same with this. The fact that you are too lazy to get off your ass and do an easy fucking search does not give you the license to repeatedly whine for me to provide a link. Be consistent with your petty demands.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Several...but only as town..(i think)...lets see there was mafia 98/91...both town. Are there more?

That's fucking bad and you should be policy-lynched for it.

Oh, and you will be lynched after we string kyle up.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

You're full of bullshit. You took posts that were blatantly not mean to be taken serious and used them as some sort of ridiculous supporting argument. I'm not digging through all my fucking posts to counter your pathetic, hypocritical case, especially when said pathetic, hypocritical case has gained zero support from other players.

Now cut the shit and stop clogging this thread with stupid, useless, annoying trash.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Did nhammen actually say anything of substance in that player analysis, or did he just spew one or two slight scum reads and a boatload of null reads?

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

I'm not saying you post 20 posts a day, nor 40%....but i've seen you way more active than you have been this game...(as town)....thus i noted the personal meta difference in play....alright, so relax.

And yes most of nhammen's reads read as null mostly.

Oh, no, don't try to back your fucking way out of it, bud. You didn't note a "personal meta difference." You started flinging shit at me the moment I resumed attacking kyle99. Noted when kyle flips scum. You'll be hanged tomorrow.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Your vote for kyle does not absolve you of your overall idiotic play.

Rofl, kyle goes first. Unfortunately, Benmage is liable to play moronically as town. We can spend a mislynch on him afterward, but kyle is not making it to day 2 in one piece.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Pyotr, kyle may very well be simply replaced. Why are you so intent on lynching an inactive, instead of maybe waiting for some actual evidence that he's purposefully avoiding the thread?

Because when he was active, he was scummy as hell. Plus he's lurking. It's not like he's vanished from the site. Players who make a bunch of scummy-as-hell posts and then lurk while posting in other games need to be lynched ten times out of ten.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

*bangs head on wall*

All right, we are lynching kyle99 and we are lynching him right the fuck now, before more people replace out under shady circumstances. Vote kyle99 or risk my day kill. Ready, go.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Sopianae, don't fool yourself into thinking you can mute out kyle's blatant newb scum play.

• Hops on the tubby wagon. Easy target.
  
• Votes for Neopi for no reason whatsoever. Easy target.
  
• Says "He's not my scum buddy" when Bogre accuses him of busing Neopi. This is what we call a scum slip, by the way. "He's not my scum buddy" is not a town answer. A town answer is an answer that somehow conveys "He's not my scum buddy
  and I'm not scum in the first place
  ." Kyle's answer included the supposition that he (kyle) was scum. Cognitive dissonance check: FAIL.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Sop, I haven't done 1 scummy thing...play better.

Don't kid yourself.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Rofl, reading the thread is key. In your case, reading two posts above your own is key.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

I'm not bending over backward when you can just do an iso. read. Please stop playing stupid.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

You're full of shit. Me not wanting to get on my hands and knees and polish your lazy unmentionables has nothing to do with how determined I am to get someone lynched.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

are you gonna help me lynch benmage?

Nope.

alternately, if everyone believes in how awesome i am at finding scum as strongly as i do, we can just lynch all of ben, ecto, nhammen and charter today. that would qualify as the greatest achievement by a town in the game of mafia ever recorded.

You're not awesome. After playing in games with you and meta-reading some of your other games, I'm really baffled that you have such a reputation.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

I'm not completely opposed to lynching Benmage, but I don't think you understand just how

scummy and terrible

a player he is, day in and day out.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Yup, and it's also reason enough to lynch him AFTER lynching legitimately scummy players, given that we can do multiple lynches per day.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Could you please have an iso look at Kyle with the thought that he's barely 15 and new. Then post your opinion.

Ugh, I didn't know that. I guess I'm willing to entertain it as a possibility, but given that I have a scum read on you, I'll be looking at

you

if

when kyle flips mafia.

I'm still really wary of Benmage. This is exactly how I remember him playing when he was town in Mini 842. If I vote for him, it will be a policy lynch, not a scum lynch.

unvote
vote: TheButtonmen

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

If you think that I'm mafia, why aren't you voting for me? Why are you voting TheButtonmen instead?

There is more than one mafioso in the game, but you're right; I should keep my eyes on the prize.

unvote
vote: kyle99

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

@Pyotr
Want to link to some scum games of yours (Or as Crypto)?

Crypto. Nine completed games. Zero scum role PMs.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Describing in detail chronically shitty play is not a walk in the park, Benmage.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Sorry for the absence. Will read up tonight and/or tomorrow morning.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Is ortolan always as lol-scummy as he's been this game?

Ortolan hammers kyle. What the fuck.

I was just starting to think that we were doing this in the wrong order.

FAIL

Rofl is 100% right. Ben dies. I'm leaning town on him, but trust me from personal experience that he is a danger to the town regardless of his alignment.

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I had to delete a good chunk of this post devoted to thrashing the heck out of Benmage and tangentially thrashing his defenders. I wish I hadn't missed out on the hammer. I suspect he's town, but he's ridiculously dangerous to the town regardless of his alignment, so it's a good policy lynch IMO.

vote: TheButtonmen

Scum-O-Meter

[0.2] Sopianae
[0.2] tubby216
[0.3] Cobalt
[0.3] Nuwen
[0.4] Adel
[0.4] Bogre
[0.4] Neopi
[0.4] Sanhora
[0.4] roflcopter
[0.4] Socrates
[0.5] tatetothetot
[0.5] charter
[0.5] Annachie
[0.6] Plum
[0.6] populartajo
[0.6] Phate
[0.7] ortolan
[0.7] nhammen
[0.7] TheButtonmen

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Actually, my town read on Nuwen is stronger than 0.3 (30% scum) . . . I'd switch her with Cobalt, to be precise.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Um, you have us both at .3

STFU

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

unvote
vote: Socrates

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Reasons?

Meh, I'm curious. I'm worried my town read on you is swayed too much by your agreement with me about kyle99, and I don't like the "Whatever, I'm willing to wagon on someone I don't feel strongly about" feel of post 1227.

You know Pyotr I've been your #1 suspect the entire game

No, you haven't.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Yeah, "I can get behind those" looks pretty apathetic to me.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Anyway, I have no idea why I'm actually voting for you. And I don't feel like playing around with TheButtonmen either, right now. Guess I'll just vote obv. scum and GTFO.

unvote
vote: nhammen

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Bah, humbug.

unvote
vote: Bogre

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Yes. Skeleton gut reads on day 1 are for playing around.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Why should I trust the bullshit logic of the masses, which generate mislynches at a vastly higher rate than scum lynches?

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Fair enough, but I've seen (and stupidly been a part of) too many logically catalyzed mislynches to give logic any sort of edge over gut. The last game I mistrusted my gut, I had instinctive scum reads on two scum players and failed to lynch either of them because logic said no. So.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

links, or it didn't happen.

This is a joke, right? Refer to just about any game beyond day 1 on this site.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Sigh.

1. I took him to be joking.
2. It's easier for him to do what I recommended than for me to dig up a link.
3. For the second time this game, smart ass, refer to my wiki. Crypto.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Sigh.

1. I took him to be joking.
2. It's easier for him to do what I recommended than for me to dig up a link.
3. For the second time this game, smart ass, refer to my wiki. Crypto.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

@pyotr and button
so are you guys gonna hugg this shit out soon? Cause really do not want to see another 8 pages of this

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Explain this please? Wouldn't this definition of "lol-scummy" be more correlated with changing your vote 3 times in one page without reasoning for any of them?

Sorry I missed this. No, hopping votes really isn't a scummy thing to do in 90% of situations. I just find the tone of your posts extremely scummy, and I don't like how you hammered a doc claim.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

@ Pytor Are you referring to Mini 880?

ANY GAME.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

vote: populartajo

Sup, Tajo, why don't you put your vote where your mouth is?

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

what is your opinion of cobalt?

Mm, 85% town.

Anyway, time to stop fooling around.

unvote
vote: nhammen

In other news, I've changed my mind about charter. He's probably scum. His tough guy approach rings contrived compared to other games I've seen him in.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

How nhammen continues to escape the noose is beyond me.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Can you please put that in the King's English, Nuwen?

Participated in Kyle lynch

No, I did not. I was V/LA when he got lynched. I would have unvoted; I don't have the stomach to lynch claimed power roles, no matter how scummy they are, on day 1.

I find the tate lynch petty for a number of easy-to-imagine reasons.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Okay. I'm good with that.

You kill it, you buy it.

That's fine, and I'm not regretful that I pushed his lynch, but incriminating me with regard to the rapid buildup to the lynch is lame. Anyway.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

stating that you think that he is scum, and that you think that it is inexplicable that he is still alive, is not enough.

Likewise, I find that your pathetic waste of a lynch on a policy target is not enough. Nor is your supporting case.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

FOS to Tajo and all the others who strongly pushed for a lynch on a player they

possibly

knew was going to be replaced.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Plum

, what again is your beef with Cobalt?

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

FOS to Tajo and all the others who strongly pushed for a lynch on a player they

possibly

knew was going to be replaced.

FOS to you for reducing my arguments of why tate is scum to shit.

Touché. Convictions are convictions. *surrenders point*

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

I can't take it anymore. I even looked through some of orto's other games and I just can't get over how scummy his posts feel here, in this game alone as well as relative to his other games.

unvote
vote: ortolan

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Don't bother, Socrates. Scum are bent on the easy policy lynch.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Orto, I have said/acknowledged at least three times who my main is, I have linked my main's wiki twice, and in my conversations with Benmage my main's name cropped up many, many, many times. That you are still so clueless is happily rock-solid evidence that you are not paying close attention to the thread.

Yeah...you're full of it. Please explain how I am "lol-scummy" compared to my completed town games. Whose alt are you btw? Also, care to VoTE FoR A ViABle WagON iNstEad oF LayING doWN usElessS VoteES ConstaNtly? feel free to petition people to vote for me but as it stands this is yet another useless vote by thee.

I am not petitioning, but I will not vote for tatetothetot. His wagon is either scum- or idiot-driven—or both. Like I said, it's a gut read. It's about how your posts feel, now the specific points you make (not yet, at least). I don't expect people to follow me, but again, I'm not joining the moronic tatetothetot wagon.

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refresh my memory crypto, have I played with you before?

No.

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Sigh.

vote: ortolan
FOS: nhammen, charter

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Sample size of two games. Cute.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

You can always use your eyes and read.

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unvote
vote: charter

This is not charter-town.

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To elaborate, charter tunnels a lot, but he's also logical and he usually doesn't resort to the snappy BS style he used in that post.

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Hey, I know this might be hard for you to wrap your thoughts around, but gentle exercise of your brain might lead you to the realization that, since I criticized his small sample size, I may have actually—gasp!—read some of your other games. Heck, even while playing in Mafia 102 and Mafia 105 with you.

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EBWOP: Even while playing in Mafia 102 and Mafia 105 with you, I might've dared to meta you.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

It doesn't concretely match any meta, but you are being largely useless and as town you are not useless.

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Night Watch, Wheel of Time (meh), Battle Mafia (admittedly the chink in my armor), and of course 102 and 105. But that's not the point. I'm not interested in specific meta differences. Calling it a meta case is treading on very thin ice. The simple point is that as town, you are, one way or the other,

useful

. Very little of what you've said is decisively useful for the town. Most of your posts regard trivialities. Sophisticated active lurking.

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So you've made sure to check that I haven't been useful as scum, right? I think I'm missing where you did that. From what I recall (correct me if I'm wrong, clearly you're the expert on terrible cases) but I at least try and be useful as scum, right?

Like I and now rofl have said, it's not really a meta case. I don't give a damn how you are as scum. As town, you're helpful. If you are not helpful, you very likely are not town. You are not being helpful. Therefore . . .

(correct me if I'm wrong, clearly you're the expert on terrible cases)

Lol, sarcasm. Anyway, resorting to false

ad hom

is pretty bad. If you recall . . .

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Sigh. I really have lost all affinity for my case. But charter's reactions are what keep me coming back. -_-

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so phate whats your point? you can make a really large post full of quotes and such, vote charter and call that a reason?

charter should not die today

That's what we call "much ado about nothing."

The point seems blisteringly obvious to me. Charter is useless. His posts are vacuous.

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I'm telling you guys, Neopi is town.

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If he's not, pretend this post didn't happen.

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Feel free to reread my beef with charter.

As for Neopi, I believe I mentioned this as well, but his posts sing

village

idiot.

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Nonono, romanof, I wans your reasons in one-two sentences. Now.

Tough shit. I don't get on my hands and knees for players who don't read. I just gave my Neopi reason. My charter reason is very easy to find. It was stated recently, and it's been repeated a dozen times.

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better, friendlier

Adel

, are you really using these as alignment-indicative?

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

[quote=Adel]I want the players who survive day 2 to be cooperative, on good terms, polite, active and productive.[/quote]
Interesting. I want the players who survive to day 2 to be town, town, capable, cooperative, town, town, and town.

Oh, and yes, people, Tajo is obvious town.

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Yay quote fail.

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MOST protown? Um, I can't really see a town motivation for wanting that. Should I be giving the scum NK tips?

I assure you that the mafia doesn't need YOUR input to determine who is the best player to night-kill. Answer the question. Your delay is scummy.

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What has either of them done that's so pro-town?

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Especially Adel.

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Adel.

1. You expect me not to change any reads between very early on in the game and toward the end of a very eventful day 1?
   
2. Rephrased: Which is scummier, changing my read in that situation or keeping it and hoping to just weather the storm of charter's lol-scum play?
   
3. Why on earth would I bus charter when Neopi's head was at the chopping block?

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Adel has devoted a lot of time to analysis when he could easily have played lazily as scum.
copter is too reckless and sure of himself to be scum.

Tofu Mafia, kthx. Rofl's meta, kthx.

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Why did your read change?

Adel, I know for a fact that you are a good reader. I went through, what, one or two full pages arguing with charter? I changed for reasons given. He's being useless, and charter isn't a useless player.

So that later in the game when ne of you is revealed to be scum, the other could point to you voting for him, or better yet some other player would notice that you voted for him, and that would be taken as a town tell for that player.

I see zero motivation for scum to push away from Neopi like I did. Much better to vote charter without kicking and screaming, because in that case you're much more likely to get town cred for voting charter without losing him on day 1.

unvote

(temporarily)

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It's pretty funny you say that crypto, one of the games you listed as your "meta" of me, was WoT, where I replaced in and was completely useless. Didn't do a damn thing. Didn't even read the thread. I believe I was town.

Yeah, I meant to put a "Meh" next to that one. Apparently I didn't.

Why are you unvoting me?

My case itself is weak, not all of your reactions are scummy, and you have rabies. And I don't get a good feeling about how Adel, Phate, and (most recently) Socrates are playing.

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So obviously those factors don't add up.

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Charter, I still think Neopi is self-destructive inexperienced town. His wagon was/is a mix of mostly town with two or three scum (depending on number of scum in the game). I honestly don't even remember who exactly was on it and when. I'll have to look back.

What are people's opinions on Ecto/Phate btw?

Did you ask this just to fit into the conversation? What's your view of Phate?

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Why are you unvoting me?

Adel called us out as scum together, so I'm going to double down on WIFOM and unvote you since I obviously don't want you to die. Thanks for tossing me that softball question and being online to ask it once I had a prepared answer! Go Team!

fixed.

Cute.

Except for your rather anemic efforts to cast suspicion on me. Try harder.

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Romanof, how do you diferentiate selfdestructuve inexperienced town with selfdestructive inexperienced scum?

does the fact he has only one scum suspect say something to you?

Instinct, I guess. His one suspect shtick would be a point against him, but it doesn't warrant a lynch in my opinion.

Scummy (I thought that was kinda apparent from me drawing attention to him having criticised his attack on charter). What are your opinions on him?

I flip-flop about him with every new post he makes. It sucks. Right now, somewhat scummy.

Logging in and out of your alt must get tiring.

Naw, but everyone calling crypto makes the whole thing feel sort of nihilistic.

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Is it just me or is Adel not playing up to his reputation?

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My point is that I didn't think Adel was a rhetorical sort of player.

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Well this is great. Maybe town will lose before we even reach night 1.

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Que the fuck? I was wrong.

Unvote. Vote: Neopi.

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Be coming back to look at Neopi's posts. There seems to be a lot of good stuff in there. I can't believe I missed his Benmage flip-flop. That was a clear scum tell. *scuttles under the bed* Also, tubby's town. And we'll be looking hard at his list of suspects, especially at those he listed as town.

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Adel, no, it was about Neopi.

Your psot you quoted made me laugh. Since I'm totally his scum buddy, I definitely would have informed the mod.

Or

, more realistically, I didn't read the vote count closely enough. Regardless, informing the mod would have made zero difference. Oh, wait, it

didn't

make any difference. Charter got lynched in a flash.

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Adel, you're being silly. Would you mind if I file you under

IGNORE

?

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What again is the case for tubby? What is this, the seventh lynch today?

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That is, the case before the issues raised in Cobalt's 1666.

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a) That's not a scum tell.
b) That's not a scum tell.
c) That's not a scum tell.

This game will probably be over an hour into day 2. So stupid.

[Pyotr C. Romanof]

Oh, look, four town lynches (I'll leave kyle's alone) that shouldn't have happened. (Granted, I was opposed to Neopi's lynch, so what do I know?)

vote: Adel

Yes, are you still in favor of your own lynch after the awful results of your enterprise yesterday?

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ortolan, why is the nhammen suspicion by Pyotr so bad?

As a scummy player, ortolan feels a kinship to nhammen and will do everything in his power to stop that lynch.

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Focusing on my opposition to the Neopi lynch is unfair and ridiculous. I was right about Bogre, Benmage, tatetothetot, charter (narrowly), and arguably kyle99 (though I accept that I was a huge proponent of his lynch before the doc claim) . . . and I don't really have a follow-up to that statement, so yeah, paragraph closed.

I bet at least one of Neopi's scum buddies (how many would there be, three?) is among his town reads.

Adel
Pyotr
Cobalt
populartajo
ortolan

charter

Socrates

As for tubby, trying to get him lynched after Neopi's flip is downright absurd. The only option is that he is not affiliated with Neopi, and we

will

be getting at least one of the above players lynched today.

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I recommend Adel or ortolan.

Tubby - &Scum*
Adel - Town
Sopianae - Neutral
Nhammen - Not enough data
Phate - Not enough data.
Pyotr - town
Nuwen - Not enough data.
Cobalt - town

Bogre* - Neutral. Too late.

PopularTajo - Town
Ortolan - town

Annachie - Neutral

Rofl - neutral

Tate - neutral

Charter - Town

Sanhora - neutral
Neopi - Town
plum - neutral
TheButtonmen - neutral
Socrates- Town

For reference. Three neutrals and a town.

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charter

(7):

Annachie

,

roflcopter

,

Pyotr C. Romanof

, Phate, Socrates, Adel,

Nuwen

Neopi

(6): ortolan,

charter

,

Plum

,

tubby216

, Cobalt, populartajo

Not Voting (5):

Sanhora

, nhammen, Sopianae,

Neopi

, TheButtonmen

charter

(10):

Annachie

,

roflcopter

, Phate, Socrates, Adel,

RichardGHP

, ortolan,

Nuwen

, Cobalt,

Neopi

Neopi

(4):

charter

,

Plum

,

tubby216

, populartajo

Not Voting (4): nhammen, Sopianae, TheButtonmen,

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So?

• Cobalt flip-flopped.
  
• Ortolan
  heavily
  flip-flopped, but he did want a Neopi lynch. Don't know why Neopi couldn't be saved till day 2, though, and that goes for everyone else.
  
• Other stuff.

Players I'm especially confident are town (in green):

• roflcopter—obvious, and Annachie's flip seals it
  Nuwen—obvious, plus she forced Neopi lynch
  tubby216—obvious, plus Neopi gunned for him
  Sanhora/RichardGHP—Richard stumbled but Sanhora looked blindingly town
  Plum—gunned for Neopi all day long, and the change in her tubby read looked completely natural

That leaves Phate, Socrates, Adel, ortolan, nhammen, TheButtonmen, and populartajo. Hot damn, we hanged a lot of people yesterday.

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You do know that VT is one of the most common scum-claims, right? Yeah. If you really wanted to claim to defend youself, you should've claimed a PR or something else pro-town.

What the hell? Explain this post, please, Richard.

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Scratch that, Richard. I don't really care if you explain it.

Also, guys, if there are upwards of four scum then we're treading on incredibly thin ice here. Following Adel's advice may result in a few mislynches followed by a string of scum lynches, but after a couple of mislynches the game may already be over. FYI.

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Any particular reason or are you just resorting to shameless OMGUS?

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Sigh. Did you not read my response to Adel's lolly latest plan, Cobalt?

Adel, what do you think of ortolan?