A Roccisi Winter - Game Over

[Annachie]

Yay, first player post.

[Annachie]

i am intertested in started a pact, an alliance if you will.

article 1 of the pact

the membership of the pact may not exceed more then 10 players

article 2 of the pact

no member of the pact may vote for another member unless the other 9 players agree

article 3 of the pact

a member is allowed to leave the pact at anytime however that posistion must be filled

article 4 of the pact

once the game has reached 10 players intotal and only the pact members remain the pact is dissolved


now disscuss on the validity / phallacy of the pact

Didn't you just try something like this as scum?

He was surprised to see no-one had suggested a pact by page 3, and yes he was scum.

Vote tubby216

I don't see it helping overall, and I don't see it working.

[Annachie]

Mod. "With 22 alive, it's 13 to lynch." (post 0) But an absolute majority would be 12. Have I missed something?

Only that I can't divide by two!

[Annachie]

btw the WIFOM pool like the gene pool has no life guard swim at your own risk.

I have not the pleasure of understanding you

What WIFOM?

[Annachie]

I'm interested in whether charter has a reason for his vote. Yes/no will suffice.

Strangely you're not the only one who wants to know. But I would like to hear the reason.

May I?

and Tubby, would it not become an easier game for if the scum could get it down to n scum in 10 players instead of n scum in 22? Because that's the only benifit I can see.
To my mind it's an inherintly scummy suggestion.

[Annachie]

ebwop *for the scum if they*

[i[finger fail[/i]

[Annachie]

Mod. Is there information about the various abilities et cetera that isn't listed in post 2

[Annachie]

Scummy. Also everyone who voted tubby for his suggestion gets scumpoints. Starting with Annachie.

If the idea is scummy, why do the people who voted the proposer get scum points?

[Annachie]

Scummy. Also everyone who voted tubby for his suggestion gets scumpoints. Starting with Annachie.

If the idea is scummy, why do the people who voted the proposer get scum points?

I didn't call the original suggestion "scummy". "Dumb" would be my preferred word. The responses to it were scummy.

No. I called it scummy. In my opinion it's inherintly scummy and can only benifit scum. What part of that isn't a scum tell then epecially given:

A scumtell, for reference, is something that scum have more motivation to do than town.

[Annachie]

Sopianae. I didn't mean to use you as support per say. Just that it's about the best damn definition of a scum tell that I've seen.

[Annachie]

To Adel: I don't believe I ever said I was following the consensus of the thread. I said I agreed with D1 claiming as presented in the discussion, over trying to draw a nightkill or just hoping against not being investigated.

Bogre, wouldn't some careful lurking/hunting have a better chance of sucess han claiming Miller on day 1 early. Especially given the multi-lynch posibilities.

[Annachie]

Scummy. Also everyone who voted tubby for his suggestion gets scumpoints. Starting with Annachie.

If the idea is scummy, why do the people who voted the proposer get scum points?

Lawl... I think you missed this one by a mile.

I have not the pleasure of understanding you.

Seriously, what are you on about?

[Annachie]

Mod. Could we please get a definate answer on Deathnote. I feel that that inadvertant post is interfeering with the game

It's certainly confusing me.

[Annachie]

tate (if tate is DN, I'm policy-lynching him)

I'm in.

Ben, can you explain why DN's presence would warrant a policy lynch? I would like to hear your version.

Me too, though reguardless it's one policy lynch I wont be voting for. Actually, I'd like to hear anybody's version of it. (Because I can see alt policy lynching being abused by scum. I have no experience with policy lynching itself however)

[Annachie]

The only possible excuse I see, is if you are scum and just bussing me for an easy lynch...

Terminology fail much?

I wonder. Could he have chosen that word with the intention of setting up the people currently calling for his lynch if in fact Tat does get lynched? The term, accurate or not, would imply that Cobalt et al are scum, wether they actuallly are or not.

Basially seting up his revenge if he gets lynchd.

[Annachie]

also is deathnote in this game?

Just wondering what the point of this question was.

Going from memory, tajo's question came a post or 2 after Deathnote posted in this game with an unvote. The mod later deleted the DN post.

[Annachie]

Charter, why after having made 2 posts so far, do you now make 8 after a call to lynch a lurker?

Of course since those 8 posts are so loaded with content. Oh wait, the only actual content is to do with DN and Tate and a policy lynch.

Charter do you actually have anything against me?

Anything?

11 posts and no useful content what so ever.
11 posts and no scum hunting.
11 posts of pure noise.

You're not even pretending to hunt scum.

[Annachie]

Adel. Re #359

You have to take content into account. Useless posts shouldn't count.

Anyway. I'm trying to keep up, honest.

[Annachie]

On Adel

Socrates, Sanhora, Annachie, Starbuck, and Sopianae: Do you agree with Pyotr C. Romanof that charter is serving as a model of scumhuntung in this game?

I have experience with charter and right now he's really just doing as he normally does. He's not ringing any alarm bells for me.

Adel. Nope, I believe that if Charter is serving as a model of scumhunting then it is as a bad one. Random, unsuported acusations do not make for good scum hunting.

That being said, if it is a normal patern for him, then I will accept it as such. (I believe someone else said that it was normal)

unvote Tubby

. I suspect that wagon has run out of steam and it's time to move on, though I still suspect Tubby of being scum.

Damn it,

Vote Borge

. I want to know. I really want to know about the miller thing.

Adel, Orto, Ecto. I'm glad you guys have gone on from the WoT type posts to some degree. You're now getting easier to follow.

[Annachie]

Damn it, Vote Borge. I want to know. I really want to know about the miller thing.

are you serious?

Yes.

[Annachie]

my neighbor, and <snip>

For reasons that are about to become obvious, Adel could you please explain a little about the silent neighbours theory?

[Annachie]

Holy shit! Only 300 odd posts after he voted, and multiple requests, does he give a terrible reason for his vote.


A pact can only benifit scum. With the posibility of scum being in a neighbourhood it is quite possible for 4 or 5 players who can communicate in a hidden manner from the pact, to direct that pact's voting. A 10 man pact will be very quickly able to lynch everyone not in the pact. Especially in a game with no lynch limitations.

Even if all the scum in a faction don't get into the pact, those that do will be able to direct the pact away from the other members until NK's and Vig kills open up enough space.

If the pact does gain control of the game, and they will, and the scum gain control of the pact, in this game there will be no chance for any town vig's to take out the suspicious ones.

Even if Tubby is town, something I seriously doubt, the idea is so scummy that we should as a matter of course establish the alignment of the proposer.

If you think that the Miller deserves a policy lynch for claiming Miller, then Tubby equally deserves one for ssuch a scummy suggestion.

[Annachie]

Bogre. Go look at #517. I've been waiting 300 odd posts, ok 460+, for charter to state a reason. Any reason. Soi of cause I refute it.

What's your problem with that Bogre?

[Annachie]

Benmage, the case as Adel presents it is pretty good, whereas your counter is more "I'm town and he's misrepresenting me" Which would be a bloody good misrep to do since you can't direct quote him back but ... I can't think of a decent reason why a theoretical scum Adel would make such a case since a Ben town flip makes Adel a prime lynch target D2. If there were two mafia groups maybe but Adel would still be hanging a big target on himself for doing it.

Now wanting to lynch. Tubby, Borge, Benmage.

[Annachie]

Without you being able to provide the original quote (I had a quick search myself and came up empty) and not being able to quote the actual QT, his assertion that you admitted to conversation about the game that wasn't public/Neighbourhood and the delays in answering his questions and the similarities with other in game posts, points to you being in a second QT. I can't see you being in two QT's unless one of them was a mafia one which is part of Adel's claim if I understand it correctly.

In a way it's brilliant because you can't directly counter pretty much any of it.

[Annachie]

Sopianae, why does it matter what order people get lynched in?

Colour me curious, or at least willing to be persuaded.

[Annachie]

Benmage.

Adel's #422

[Annachie]

@Annachie:

Did you see this link?

Adel, does Benmage's reference to this post resolve the QT crisis?

Why point me out?

Honestly now because this is important.

[Annachie]

Benmage, there are a bunch of people willing to lynch you, and I'm not even voting you.

So what have I said that you ask me specifically about seeing it?

[Annachie]

Hows about you stop deflecting yourself. Answer my question, because, and I say this again, it's important.

[Annachie]

#628. You quoted it.

[Annachie]

Why can't you answer a question that I say is important.

[Annachie]

Ok Benmage. Card and tables.

In the Qt for the Torino Street neighbourhood I said, aproxomitely, that a link mentioned in the game thread didn't clear you. 30 minutes later, in the game thread, you specifically ask me if I'd seen the link by Sopianae.
You were responding to something reported to you from my neighbourhood's QT!

When I asked about why you singled me out, you made a BS answer about me blindly following Adel. You forgot that I wasn't voteing you, that I'm not blindly following Adel.

You refuse to answer as what what I specifically said, or did, that made you feel that you needed to single me out for that question about seeing that quote. Despite me saying how important it was.


Now answer!

[Annachie]

Benmage. I have 2 neighbours. The independant one can verify what I said and when

Unvote Borge,
Vote Benmage

[Annachie]

There are three people in the neighourhood. Me, the scummy one who must have spoken to you, and the third who is independant of all this.


When that third person speaks up and verifies the timing and that what I said above is accurate ...

[Annachie]

Oh my god...you just gonna IGNORE everything i've done/said. Did you not see

my

link? It destroys the basis of your argument, and shows that there was no reason for you to think I had an alternative QT...how can you be this dense?

You're link?

Adel, does Benmage's reference to this post resolve the QT crisis?

I thought it was Sopianae's link.

Did you feed it to him?

[Annachie]

When that third person speaks up and verifies the timing and that what I said above is accurate ...

But how do you know who the "scummy" one is, and why wont you out them?

Benmage, with two people who could have done it, how should I know which one is actually the scum one?

[Annachie]

Oh no, soph made. I was the one who said go look at said post # from said game.

Where!

[Annachie]

So you can actually defend you rself properly when you have evidence behind you.

Nice to see.

So why Didn't you when Adel raised his suspicions. Why haven't you now?

That link, btw, points to a comment that is so vague with reguard to Adel's accusation thet neither of Plum, or Cobalt made the conection despite being in both gams themselves.

[Annachie]

If you bothered to read my profile, Male, 8 kids at home, and 3pm local the day before christmas.

I suspect someone wishes that you were being coached right now.

[Annachie]

Plum. Just a quick response re the Miller.

I have no real idea about Borge, or about the policy lynching of Millers. But all the discussion about it has made me curious, and at this point with multiple lynches I don't see the harm in not waiting to find out.

Or at least, up until Benmage earlier today at least.

[Annachie]

I've played 4 games onsite and could link to a similar reference easily if the particular game wasn't live.

So Benmage, your defense is:
Oops I messed up the games, which is equally as likely as messed up the QT's I might add and;
Oops what unlucky timing on my part.


and Plum, if you were out of that game before the infamous quote, then I apologise for thinking you saw it 'live'

[Annachie]

Anything to get away from your slips huh?


But, didn't someone call for Kyle to be replaced a few pages ago?

[Annachie]

What really gets me, is that Benmage has done this twice. Once, yeah ok maybe he can argue out of it or maybe it was a mistake. But twice is a bit much.

[Annachie]

So Annachie, your argument is that he quoted the link after you said that a link didn't help. But, he had already provided the information earlier. So how is this an argument against him?

Not quite.

Benmage asked a question about something Adel said.

I posted a link to that post.

A few posts later Sop posted a link to the other game from info provided by Benmage.

At about that time, in a neighbourhood QT I made a comment about that last link not helping Benmage at all (and that is getting dangerously close to quoting)

30 minutes later Benmage made a post specifically asking me if I'd seen the link posted by Sop.

This sounds an awful lot like someone reported my QT comments to Benmage, who then presumably assumed I was refering to the link post I'd made myself so he then pointed out sop's post to me.
His excuse about me being a blind Adel follower don't seem reasonable to explain such a direct post from Benmage, and when I asked what I'd specifically said or done that made him feel that he had to point out Sop's post to me he ducked and weaved and never nsweed.

I also believe that his town changed when I pointed out that it being a three person neighbourhood, there is an independant person who can verify the comment and the timing.


The key indicator is that he asked

me

if I'd seen the link and can have had no innocent reason to ask me specifically.

[Annachie]

Doesn't annachie's case assert that Sopianaie is scummy ?

Huh? You'll have to quote Annachie on that, because as far as I could tell, there has been no negative mention of me by him.

I would say that you provided in link form something that Ben had pointed at, possibly at some risk to himself since it was to a live game.

I don't think it was a town or scummy act in and of itself and I don't think it matters, as it's Benmages actions that matter here.

[Annachie]

So Anna, you think there is scum between your two neighbors?

Obviously I think one of them is scum.

[Annachie]

Do you remember which game Pyotr?

[Annachie]

Kyle is so obviously underage newbtown it hurts.

Everything that people claim as scummy (The tubby vote, the lurking, the posting patern) screams it.

He's running scared from being targeted and I bet will end up being replaced.

In my opinion, hold off the vote's until Kyle shows (Unlikely) or gets replaced.

We got lynches that actually matter to sort out first.

[Annachie]

Is Anna in your neighborhood Adel? If not, she deserves to be lynched. If yes, I'll withdraw the opposition.

Are you even reading these posts Ecto?
Actually it's pretty clear that you aren't.
If you had you would already know that answer.

No, Adel and I are not neighbours. We are not in any QT's together, nor in any games together, now or previously, if that's your next question.

The whole Ben has done the QT thing with 2 seperate QT's kinda gives that away, let along the whole Ben/Adel arguement not refering to a third person being able to comment whereas I said specifically that in my QT there is.

So, what's with the silly question and worse comment?

[Annachie]

EBWOP *any other games together

[Annachie]

[quote]I have not the pleasure of understanding you[/quote[

[Annachie]

Since I believe one is on a slight x-mas break, I'll answer when I know for sure that they're both around to speak for themselves.
(Especially as I'm calling one of them scum without being sure which one it is)

[Annachie]

So Charter, showing yourself to be lurking scum then?

[Annachie]

Did you even read what he wrote? He said "I have nothing else to say", but posted anyway. Lurking

[Annachie]

Sorry Ben, missed that.

I'm assuming two, but wouldn't be surprised by there only being one.

How about you?

[Annachie]

Benmage, you seem to be on a fishing expedition born of desperation.

[Annachie]

Orto. For that matter all the Kyle voters.

Could you please have an iso look at Kyle with the thought that he's barely 15 and new. Then post your opinion.

(I have kids that age and he sounds more young than scum to me.)

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Anna, about post 637, some questions:
-Why mention the name of your neighbourhood?
-What would Benmage objective be to ask you about the link if he’s scum and knew about what you’ve said?
-Why didn’t you vote in this post, while doing so in the next?
Though Benmage response to that post is scummy. Only asking if it’s a type of claim. Not liking that. And what’s up with asking him to claim later on?

In my head, I wanted to be sure people realised I was in a different neighbourhood from Adel/Benmage.
I say Benmage asked me as a emotional reaction without thinking it out properly. He seems to do that.
I was waiting for responses. Specifically I was looking for Benmage to slip up again since it was clear that he was reacting/responding quickly and emotionally.
(I'll come back after I hunt up and check the posts)

As I said, I think, Kyle reminds me of how (some of) my kids react to things, and as such hasn't given enough for a read yet.
Voting him as a lurker I can understand, but I honestly have no idea if he'll flip town or scum.

As for the miller, it was more the whole discussion about it and the reasons behind it (Claiming I mean) that have made me really curious. Also, there seemed enough discussion around the topic that a miller lynch is informative.

[Annachie]

all benmage voters on kyle, after he's dead all kyle voters back on ben. lets do this.

guys, hop on kyle so we can finish him off and lynch benmage, please.

Unvote Benmage

Vote Kyle99

[Annachie]

Caught up, Thoughts on all stuff since I went on V/LA;

It's been largely the same people discussing the same two-three lynchs the whole time. With a deadline somewhat approching, is there any other questions / ideas and/or lynchs anyone (particularly thoses who have gone silent) want to bring up and discuss?

There's a whole new (To you) accusation at Benmage for you to comment on. I would love to see your thoughts. I'll give you a hint. Start at post #621.

[Annachie]

Phate, why me?

[Annachie]

Annachie: why do you think that Kyle is barely 15, and not 14 or 21 or some other number?

Sorry, missed this.

His profile. Date of Birth: 25 Nov 1994

and he kinda sounds like some of my kids did at that age.

[Annachie]

oh, and the rapid transition from "kyle's obv just noob not scum" to "kyle's obvnoob, not sure on alignment" to "whatever, vote kyle"

Lol, that shift was for someone else to bite on and it was deliberate.


The TheButtonman post has a point, but since it isn't for you ... Or since someone has you as scum with BenMage, maybe it does? It will be revealed later.

I don't believe I ever even indicated that I knew which of my neighbours is scum. It sounds like you do though. Care to enlighten me?



I'll give you a hint Phate, and everyone else for that matter. In the one game I was scum, which was offsite and started after this one I think, I didn't go through a fluffy stage. Serious and agresive all the way. Something I intend to work on. (being serious and agressive all the time I mean)

[Annachie]

I suspect I've been suckered. lol

Hang him.


Rise of the Robot Santa

[Annachie]

Happy Birthday Benmage.

Vote Benmage

For the record, I plan to vote Adel on D2, after he's had a chance to present his reads taking the NK's into account.

[Annachie]

Again for those who may have missed it the first couple of times. Benmage appears to have directly responded to a post I made in a neighbourhood QT.

One of the two neighbours involved, ROFL and TheButtonman, must have told him a directish quote of what I said to prompt the direct response from Benmage.

Either of them could have done it. ROFL had only just taken over from Starbuck and didn't know that TheButtonman had VLA'd until the new year. (#535. He used the wording Minimal posting, but on his early return used the word VLA)
Buttonman's own VLA message also indicates that he would be keeping check on the threads so he could have passed it on too.

So I'm not prepared to say which one did it as it would be a guess.

and Tajo, this is my case against him. The fact that it seems to echo Adel in that Benmage stuffed up on QT comm's is just an added extra.

[Annachie]

Holds up a hypothetical game to justify her behavior based on meta (and then still hasn't linked to it), not seeming to realize that she should be lynched even if she's town.

Rise of the Robot Santa

Phate, would you like to rephrase that?

[Annachie]

And Annachie . . . hold up. Let me get a better hold of this: Annachie, how likely, in percentages, is it that Ben is scum, in your eyes? What would you do if he flipped scum and what would you do it he flipped town?

Very high. Well over 90%.

The post #621 alone (and what follows) makes me give a better than even chance that he is scum.

What I would do once Ben flips would, in this game, depend on the NK's that occured, but I would be wanting to look at any links between Ben and others, Bogre (Because of the miller claim), and the aparent lurkers with low post counts/long absences.

[Annachie]

Holds up a hypothetical game to justify her behavior based on meta (and then still hasn't linked to it), not seeming to realize that she should be lynched even if she's town.

Rise of the Robot Santa

Phate, would you like to rephrase that?

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[Annachie]

Sorry Benmage, I've already stated that I would support a D2 Adel lynch,

after

he has given his post NK reads.


He asked for it and who are we not to deliver it.

[Annachie]

oh, and the rapid transition from "kyle's obv just noob not scum" to "kyle's obvnoob, not sure on alignment" to "whatever, vote kyle"

Lol, that shift was for someone else to bite on and it was deliberate.

People: Look at this, please. Thank you.

Or since someone has you as scum with BenMage, maybe it does? It will be revealed later.

I don't believe I ever even indicated that I knew which of my neighbours is scum. It sounds like you do though. Care to enlighten me?

Other than her 49th post (which was not an indictment of Ecto), she's not mentioned Ecto at all this entire game. All it takes is a case against her to make her cast her mind back to someone else (I'm not sure who, and neither is she) to attack me. From zero to OMGUS scum accusation in one post. This is the same behavior she displayed towards Benmage. I think she might be scum and I want her dead either way. If it feels better to you guys, call it a policy lynch.

Wow. Mis rep.

The TheButtonman post has a point, but since it isn't for you ... Or since someone has you as scum with BenMage, maybe it does? It will be revealed later.

A case against me? lol. YOu don't like the way I play is about the limit of your case against me from what I can tell.

I haven't mentioned Ecto much at all. ROFL is the one who said Ecto was scum with Benmam. Hence me mentioning it.
The Buttonman post was pointing him at the actual post of Benmage which convinved me that he was scum, as a prod. I wanted to see his response to it. ROFL's was to immediatly vote Benmage btw.

These posts and slips were for a reason. I believe I have a scum neighbour and am trying to work out whom it is. But you respond and draw attention to them (The slips etc).
I now wonder why.
I also have to wonder why you are trying to distract from the Benmage lynch.

[Annachie]

It's just rolling to midnight and hopefully an early night, but...

tubby216, Scummy idea, Scum but might be neutral/town receiving bad advice
Adel, Town but lynch D2 as per his advice
Sopianae, Town
nhammen, Unknown/A worry
Phate, Unknown
Pyotr C. Romanof, Unknown
iamausername/Nuwen, Not enough to tell yet.
Socrates, Town I think
Benmage*, ScumCobalt,
Bogre*, Miller/unknown.
populartajo, Will decide after Ben flips
Ortolan, Town,
roflcopter, Unknown
tatetothetot, Unknown to anti-town.
charter*, I haven't liked practically anything he's done. Unknown
Sanhora, Unknown
Neopi, anti-town
Plum, A hard read due to posting style. Townish
TheButtonmen Unknown


Thinking about the vig part, Benmage if it gave an instant reveal.

[Annachie]

I also want to hold off on both Buttonman and rofl until the Ben flip, though I am pretty confident (over 90%) what it will be.

[Annachie]

Bogre, before I vote for you, a question.

Are you in a neighbourhood/masonic group?

[Annachie]

Actually, too lazy to vote count and wanting an answer before he is silenced.

Vote Borge

[Annachie]

The replacement thread in the queue has a request seeking a replacement for Tate.

Quick question. How many people are doing the Policy thing on Tate, and how many think he was scummy

before

he vanished?

[Annachie]

I wanted to policy lynch him when I learned he was DN, but I still agree with tajo's case on him.
Although if he's being replaced there's no point lynching him.

I'm wondering if you were bussing tate when it looked like he was going to be policied as DN, and now that he's up for replacement your trying to save him.
It looks that way.

Your entire arguement for not lynching Tate seems to be "He's not playing as DN does". But since you argued to policy him as DN it now sounds hypocritical.

FOS. Tate, Cobalt

[Annachie]

Orto, if memory serves you were one of the two that said Charter is playing to his normal style.
Do you still feel that way?

[Annachie]

vote Charter

[Annachie]

Tajo is really obvious town,

But you've never, ever explained why.
But then you never seem to explain anything.

iamausername:

As scum, he seems to lurk a bit, then come in with insightful sounding posts every once in a while.

Could be sneaky scum.

Still, username is kind of lurking.

I think I've only been town with you town in a game once, but in the other Roccisi game, your play seemed pretty similar, and compared to that vengeful mess, you seemed way more protown there and seemed to be scumhunting more. So, I think it differs, but it's not conclusive yet.

Case summary: iamausername is lurking and not scumhunting (heh).

I'm going to paraphrase a prediction I made to Tajo in our QT.

Newun == ImaUsername

Nothing but "He's town" concerning Tajo.
Nothing but "He's town" concerning Newun
Really soft on Username when he Charter tunneled the heck out of other people.
Newun and Tajo in a QT, and note that Newun didn't say what type of QT, though the nature of the quote and interaction between the two sounds like a confirmed one to me.
Add in Charter's interaction and we can safely draw a conclusion that Charter is in the same QT.

Charter?

[Annachie]

I cannot see how Charter has any motivation to play the way he does.

[Annachie]

Adel, a lot of Charters early posts were real short.

[Annachie]

Vote Neopi

BAH GO SCUM.

You've given up I take it.

Vote Neopi

As Orto(?) said, a cull.

[Annachie]

Adel, on your chart why is Tubby always on the line?

[Annachie]

Tubby, have you played with Charter before? I ask because both Starbuck and Orto commented on his play based on their past experiences with him.

[Annachie]

lol Richard.

Charter had tunneled me for voting Tubby back on the 17th for what I think is an inherintly scummy idea by Tubby.

I haven't changed my opinion of that idea

Vote Tubby

[Annachie]

Plum et al, read Richard in other game.

[Annachie]

More in relation to Plum's comment to him. Very newb.
I probably said too much anyway given I'm in that other game too.

[Annachie]

Nope, nope, I think a plum anything has a better than average chance, and no idea.

[Annachie]

Is that a loaded question Adel?
I think that Richard is in over his head and that Plum could have been a bit nicer.
For someone who has checked my off-site games I'm sure you've checked his onsite games by now.

[Annachie]

Annachie,
if ben flips scum, what alignment is tajo?
if ben flips town, what alignment is tajo?
How certain are you, on a scale of 0% to 100%?

If Ben flips scum, and I believe that I said 90% chance a few days ago, Tajo is scum.

If Ben flips town I don't know. Tajo seems tied to lots of people.

Tubby I'd add an asterisk too. Thought I did have one there.
I'd probably swap Sop to neutral/unknown but that's more gut than anything.
Nuwen. One post makes me think scum, next makes me think neutral. But I think same as Tajo*

Phate I'm starting to get a town feeling for.


I'd rather hold off on ROFL and Buttonmen for the moment.

Adel, how would you fill in one of those read/lynch/vig lists right now?







*Nuwen mentioned being in a QT, and I get the feeling that that QT is a confirmed one. That prediction he made makes me think this as much as anthing.

[Annachie]

Fair-o. Any reason why Phate?

[Annachie]

Ben scum, charter scum. Tate something neutral, Kyle town, Bogre something neutral.

I have a better feeling about ROFL being town than Buttonmen, but that could be that ROFL and I seem to agree on who is/isn't scummy and that Buttonmen seems to be opposite.

I also feel that ROFL and I are getting along better in the QT, and that might be infuencing my opinions too.

[Annachie]

*EBWOP.

Terminology fail. By neutral I mean SK or survivor or something. The non-mafia non-town roles.