I'm not seeing anything to the cobalt bandwagon right now. The voice I would say is coming from the voteless townie (which may be Sora), who could possibly gain the ability to vote (and probably some more powers), once a certain condition is met (i.e. his memory is restored). Not sure what I think about the mod scene being connected to DisCode, I'll wait for some more info there.
Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game Over!
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I'm not seeing anything to the cobalt bandwagon right now. The voice I would say is coming from the voteless townie (which may be Sora), who could possibly gain the ability to vote (and probably some more powers), once a certain condition is met (i.e. his memory is restored). Not sure what I think about the mod scene being connected to DisCode, I'll wait for some more info there.-
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Something isn't right with this whole thing DisCode. I'm going to assume the darkness and chill wind to be a bad thing, unless anyone else can thing of a reason that they could possibly help the town. So either:
A. You are a townie who used an action causing this to happen, after which you turned into a miller. Hmm, that seems like a very dumb move, wouldn't ya say?
B. You are scum who used an action causing this to happen, after which you claimed miller to try and save yourself. If this is true, I don't know why on earth you would even say you were the cause of it.
Neither of these options add up at all, which could perhaps mean that you didn't know this would happen when you used your action. I'd also really like a full claim from you, and also details on exactly how you brought this darkness upon us. I'll wait to give you one more chance to explain all this, but for nowFoS: DisCode.
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Okay, so expanding on the Riku/Ansem theory - I'm assuming that changing into Ansem-possessed Riku would give him extra powers/change his powers, which was the reason for him causing the darkness, but I'm still not sure why he would want to associate himself with that so early. I mean, role-claiming on D1 when we were BARELY past the RVS is kind of scummy to me, especially if he is Riku/Ansem, which is presumably a very important power role. I'd still love a bit more of an explanation from DisCode.-
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That is quite true actually.Cobalt wrote:Look at DN. Aside from the fact that his posts are nearly all fluff, this bit
is absolutely awful, and he also told the modvoice to stop talking. die scum diemy character is so basic.... oops. Hope I didn't give anything away.Unvote, Vote: DeathNote. Still waiting on an explanation from DisCode.
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Noooo, don't vote for my scumbuddy And yeah, some explanations about all the people on your list would be appreciated.saberwolf wrote:
VayaPapa Zito wrote:
Oh well done. Which one should we lynch first?saberwolf wrote:hayker and sajin are scum team number 1
vaya and ace are scum team number 2
Malthius is the SK
anything else you wanna know?
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I figured, but then why vote for Vaya? You might have a different policy, but I think any vote past the random voting stage should have some sort of an explanation, even if it's just a "I agree with such and such".saberwolf wrote:I shouldn't have to really explain my recent posts. Anyone who can read should be able to see that I pulled names out of my ass to give a smartass answer to Kise's lame question.-
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Wait, what? Are you going to completely ignore the small bandwagon that's formed against you in the last couple pages?zwetschenwasser wrote:Might be an honest mistake.
Unvote: DeathNote, Vote: zwetschenwasser
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I would agree with this in smaller games, but in larger games it is VERY easy to semi-lurk without anyone noticing, so at this stage of the game, lurking may be the biggest scumtell we have. Especially when that lurker has a very non-lurkish meta.raider8169 wrote:stuff followed by On my note this is why someone who has been a little more action should be lynched, say like DoS.-
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Ah I see. I must have misgathered information somehow. I could have sworn someone said zwet usually posts a lot though. I have read through a couple games DeathNote has been in so I'm well aware of his "playstyle"Iecerint wrote:My experience is that zwet rarely posts and, when he does post, he posts little-to-nothing of substance (except votes). The result is that he looks scummy and is an easy D1 mislynch for scum; moreover, he's not much fun to play with, so town is usually indifferent to his survival. It's true that keeping him around is a liability (unless scum find him annoying or he claims a PR, they're unlikely to kill him), but the blamelessness of wanting to lynch him is what makes him such a compelling scum mislynch target.
Not to say that he's not scum sometimes. And some people say they can tell the difference between scumzwet and townzwet. Reckoner claims to be one of those people. I personally can't, though.
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But why would you target someone who was going to be lynched anyway? That's basically a complete waste of a DK. You should have killed someone who didn't have as many votes, and preferably in a later round, where there is more to go on. I do believe your claim though, as I see no reason at all for scum to DK zwet.Iecerint wrote:I used my ability the way that I did because I think giving the town a functional free lynch is as good a use of a DK as can be hoped for. I don't want to claim my flavor or abilities because that information is not information that town needs to know, but it may help scum manufacture fakeclaims and/or determine their N1 target.
I'm quite annoyed with the number of people making joke posts (looking at you RayFrost, DGB, saber, and cobalt). It makes it hard to understand your actual positions on people.
That being said, at least now we have another chance for a correct lynch. I don't want to rush into another bandwagon so quickly, so I'll hold off from voting for now. Also, can someone please tell me how to iso someone? I know what it is, just don't know how-
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Okay, I'm back. Opinions time. On my first read-through of the stuff I missed, Hayker seemed incredibly scummy, but reading him in iso he just seems like bad-town, so idk. Wouldn't mind a lynch of him either way.
I'm going to agree with RECKONER, most of your "reasons" are utter crap DGB. That is the problem with spamming too many nonsense posts, people can use them as "scumtells".
I'm not liking the bandwagon on DoS at all - SirChris, first you reprimand us for starting quick bandwagons on zwet and hayker, yet are perfectly fine to start one on DoS. Your posts LOOK like they have a lot of content, but your argument basically boils down to: DoS played different in this game where he was town, DoS hasn't posted enough, and DoS was voting for me for bad reasons. Yes DoS played different in the other game, but many things could explain that. People play differently in different roles, it's not as clear cut as you seem to think. Lurking is always a great scumtell, but MANY other players are also lurking (DeathNote, MafiaSSK, Hayker before he was called out, and DTMAster just to name a few). It seems the only thing you find more scummy about DoS is that he voted for you.
Along with this you basically have been bullying the town to get them to vote with you (appeals to emotion are bullying in this game), have completely ignored scumtells on any other player, and have generally been very argumentative.
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Quotes are unnecessary, SirChris has openly admitted to AtE, which is bullying imo.Maemuki wrote:
I'LL ASK ONE MORE TIME: QUOTES. NOW.He has blatantly claimed to be tunneling on me, He has used numerous AtE's, and bullying of the town till he gets his way.
I've seen townies do all three btw.
Ace, are you experienced with Mafia?
I am not experienced with mafia, but I have read most all of the theory pages on the site and a couple full games. I'm pretty much as knowledgeable about the game as you can get without actually having played
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Alright, lets look at your recent posts.
#146 - OMGUS on DoS (yes, from "50 pages ago")
#147 - Let's lynch DoS!!!
#148-152 - Going from not knowing what appeals to emotions are, to saying that you do it all the time, you also deny bullying.
#153-154 - Let's lynch DoS!!!
#155 - Sarcasm is FTL.
Then, we get to #156
Compare the bolded part with the italicized part.Sir Chris wrote:
I, as town, on the other hand, did my best to discuss other players and make motes on them.If I am not supposed to try with every inch of my soul to get you lynched when I find you absolutely scummy, sorry. Not how I am programmed. I feel I would be doing a disservice to town if I did not fight with every bit of effort I have to nail you to the wall. As the day wore on, I grew bolder by your responses. Finally my first gut was revealed to be accurate, and it also proved that this town was not heading in the right direction. Where I come from, I am a game changer. My very presence shifts the foundation of games, I am used to it. So when my scumdar is so brightly lit to a single person, I have to push them. I don't know anyone's alignment here, people who I could trust could be scum, people who I think are scummy could be the town's savior one day. So, with that in mind, I push hard.Tunneling I admit is one phrase for what I do.Another is trying.
As to my accusation of your main reason for you voting DoS just because of OMGUS, I didn't phrase that well. As you state in #158, this was your main argument (according to you) - "He votes for lurkers, then lurks, then comes off totally defensive,and then goes back away again." Fine, but what I meant was that there were at least 2-3 people at that point who did the same thing, and I believe you singled out DoS because he voted for you.-
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No, the thing is I believe SirChris to be a better player than either one of those, so him using the same strategy is much more scummy. Zwet and DeathNote are, from the look of it, just plain bad.Maemuki wrote:
You just resumed DeathNote and Zwet. Are they scum?SirChris - So you are basically saying that your general playstyle is scummy? You are saying that "Oh hi, yeah I'm usually pretty scummy in my games, so if I make a scumtell, just ignore it." THAT is scummy.-
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I do know what the chainsaw defense is...
Sir Chris, you did indeed spend some time focusing on players other than DoS. 10 posts to be exact, half of which had no content. I don't like how Mae is basically disregarding my opinion simply because I haven't played before. As Sir Chris said, ignoring anyone's opinion is scummy, whether you agree or disagree. If you think I'm a bad player, that's fine, YOU can ignore me, but you can't tell me to "just quit".-
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Mae - Haha, just don't underestimate me please. I'm not the best, but I'm probably better than you think I'm not defending DoS as much as that I am attacking Chris, DoS is a null read for me, but if Chris is scum, then I can hardly imagine DoS as scum, unless they are on different teams. I just don't like the way Chris is zeroing in on DoS when I see a lot of players as just as scummy or scummier.-
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DoS - What? Do you know the flavor at all? I was pretty much stating the obvious, as I assumed Mae didn't have any knowledge of the flavor. Unless you want to come up with a different scenario? Although I don't want to get into setup speculation, I was just stating what was (in my mind) the obvious setup.-
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Sir Chris - Okay then, aside from DoS, who are your top 5 scum at the moment. (Doesn't have to be in order). It's not that you have been pushing for a DoS lynch that troubles me so much, it's that you used (what appears to me as) OMGUS to determine the lynch, and that you aren't even offering opinions on other players.
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Okay - Iec and Mae - I can't believe this has come to actual discussion, but if you can think of any scenario where there isn't a Heartless mafia and a Nobody mafia please tell me. I really can't see a combined Heartless and Nobody mafia, or either one of those groups as town. It just doesn't fit the flavor at all.-
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No way Oh man, I might need a teabag after allMaemuki wrote:
After I've seen a Harry Potter Mafia with Ron, Hermione and Harry as scum I believe everything.Okay - Iec and Mae - I can't believe this has come to actual discussion, but if you can think of any scenario where there isn't a Heartless mafia and a Nobody mafia please tell me. I really can't see a combined Heartless and Nobody mafia, or either one of those groups as town. It just doesn't fit the flavor at all.
Also, I'm very eagerly anticipating the Sir Chris/DrippingGoofball fight
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Not really, they weren't really well-formed and detailed opinions, as Sir Chris said, it was just what was in his mind at the time. Would you also call out DrippingGoofball on this? This has weakened my null read on you somewhatDragonsofSummer wrote:Posting thoughts you have on almost every player in the game in one big post? Seems dangerous on day 1 to me.-
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Okay, interesting day so far. The Hayker wagon I can certainly sympathize with, I'm in between a bad player read and a scum read. However, the quick formation of the wagon reminds me of the wagon on zwet yesterday (which admittedly I was a part of), so I am reluctant to jump on so soon, especially when there is nothing that is glaringly scummy. The MafiaSSK wagon is much better imo, but the last currently viable option is better still:
Vote: joe478
Completely agree with RayFrost on this one. That meta sealed the deal. He's done nothing this game but ask for explanations, yet given none for his own wagon votes.
I am getting the same read on Sir Chris as I was yesterday, as I thought DoS would flip town anyway. His posts today have been pretty much exactly as I would expect.
DrippingGoofball I see as very scummy, but then it could just be that she has a very odd (and not particularly good imo) playstyle.
Reckoner is very hard to read. Seems very pouty when his suggestions go unnoticed, which is more townish than scum.
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There is no reason to hold back on your kill now Iec.
1. SSK is town. We lynch Cobalt scum, end the day with one scum less.
2. SSK is mafia. We are guaranteed to end the day with one scum less, and possibly two. Even if SSK flips scum (very likely), I still wouldn't rule out Cobalt scum btw.
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Well if RayFrost was being serious about knowing Papa Zito was a Nobody from role information I'll have toVote: Papa Zito.
Re: case against me - I'll just be blunt. I indeed did not want Cobalt killed yesterday, but only because I thought he was a townie and also I thought the case against him was weak, which made me think one of those bandwagoners were scum. That theory has less merit now that he flipped scum. The quote that Papa Zito posted where I had voted for joe rather than MafiaSSK should have been accompanied by the fact that shortly after I switched my vote to MSSK and was pushing for his death the rest of the day. I have not mentioned Gorrad, because I thought he seemed pro-town, just as I have not mentioned half the people in this game who I think are town/not scummy enough to be mentioned. I don't know what else to say
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Okay first things first: DrippingGoofball's case against me is garbage honestly. Analyzing the MSSK wagon based on votes is a terrible idea, because if you'll remember, Iec had a kill left. I was one of the first people pushing for an immediate MSSK day kill. The zwet wagon is hardly informative, except for Shotty's unvote at the end, good catch there.
If joe were still around, I would definitely vote for him, but I'll wait a bit for MME to have a chance at changing my opinion.
Anyway, I guess it's time for a list from me:
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Hayker - I'm sorry, I just don't see him as scum, especially looking at the voting patterns
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Sajin - Good chance of third party
Shotty - Possible slip at the end of zwet wagon.
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DeathNote - Just too hard to read
DrippingGoofball - Would be scum, if not for the semi-believable claim
DIE SCUM DIE
raider1618 - He has really appeared to be fake-scumhunting for a while, and I do think that that was a possible breadcrumb from Kdub
MyMilkedEek
Kise - Notice how there was no effort at all to get MSSK killed. AT ALL. Not even a vote when MSSK was obvscum.
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Very well Kise.Unvote, Vote Deathnote. Also, I'm going to give my reasoning behind why killing Cobalt before SSK was faulty logic.
1. MSSK dies first and flips town. Cobalt is lynched immediately. 1-1.
2. MSSK dies first and flips scum. Cobalt may or may not be scum. 1-1 in the worst case scenario.
3. Cobalt dies first and flips town. MSSK is lynched immediately. 1-1.
4. Cobalt dies first and flips scum. MSSK may or may not be scum. 1-1 in the worst case scenario.
Even so far right? BUT now look at this.
5. MSSK death fails due to bulletproofness - We have two confirmed scums. This was the best of the "worst case scenarios", which is what you should be thinking of.
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Um, okay? I have NO idea what was scummy about what I did. An explanation of my votes today: I vote for Kise due to the ridiculous case + him being on my scum list already. Then Kise claims to have secret info on DN. Since he seems so certain, I switch to DN; if DN flips town, we can lynch Kise tommorow. Next time I see this thread, I find, to my surprise, not only has Kise switched his vote, but a nice wagon has formed on raider, another person on my scumlist. Naturally I switch to him.
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#1 was obviously a joke.
#2 I had been very sick, as I believe I explained.
#3 Great, so I'm scummy for defending town. Informed minority doesn't work as well with two mafias.
#4 I don't understand
#5 is taken out of context, quote my whole post for this and it is no longer scummy.
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Or because mass-claiming as a PR, you will have to either make up a role, or hope there are a hell of a lot of doctors, who would also probably want to make up a role. In general it is a terrible idea, especially in themed games, where fake claims can be shot to pieces. It is better if the scum do not know who is PR and who is vanilla.
Since you are unwilling to tell me what the case against me is, I shall assume that there was actually no case, and that you just want me to claim, which I am not doing. This will be my last post on the subject unless you can come up with something I haven't heard before.-
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I do not know of other peoples opinions, except which they have stated in the thread. You could learn just as much information as me by reading the thread.
I will ask you one more time for a case. Could you please give an analysis of the entire day's events, in relation to me, and how this makes me scum? Asking stupid questions and telling me to claim is not my idea of a case.-
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Well I'm glad SOMEONE finally posted a case on me, although it was probably the last person I would expect :p
3002 - I have already explained I was sick. The thing about lurking is that you try to avoid the events of play. I do find that I post less than almost all the players here, but I also try to offer opinions on everything that has gone on. I also do post almost every time I come to this site.
3006 - LIES. Read me in iso again. Post #19 - I said that I was as knowledgeable about mafia as you can be without playing the game. Which is pretty high. I am very knowledgeable about Kingdom Hearts, not to the extent of Gorrad or Slicey, but certainly more than most players here. Please link me to where I said otherwise.
3010 - Yes, I was "eagerly" awaiting the flip. Whoop-de-do.
I never distanced from Cobalt. Notice how that between the time of my post saying "gut read as town" and my post saying that cobalt "still could be scum", he made the most ridiculous claim ever, although it was still (barely) within the realm of possibility. I still didn't really want him dead, because I thought there were scummier people.
As for you, I just don't think you're scum. I was undecided until DGB's analysis of the voting records pushed me to town. To put it in the words of DGB "Not Heartless according to dead-Plum, not Nobody for simulvote, but scummy as hell". The original reason I found you not as suspicious as other people was because there was a bandwagon around you REALLY fast, when there were other scummy players as well. Which helped me to suspect SSK and joe/MME/Snow White as being the "harder" wagons.
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It is a night ability. I have not used it yet because I did not want to waste it before I had a good idea of who I found scummy. Dangerous yes, but with some suspicion being on me the whole game, I figured I probably would not get night killed. Do you guys think it's a good idea to use the ability tonight? I was going to, but now if I do, there is a good chance I will be role-blocked, hence my reluctance to claim.
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I do not believe anybody is lying. I find it likely that there is one more cop, the RapidHeartless1-shotCop, which would create symmetry. Which IS a large amount of cops for a game however. I never suspected any of these people, I had slight suspicions on RayFrost after he claimed, but his Papa Zito Nobody claim checked out. Unless of course that was a back stab.-
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Hmm, it would appear I'm back. Some interesting proceedings, I don't buy that Kise is SK at all, I don't think there is a SK in this game. With two scum groups, one or the other or the SK would have to be withholding the kill every night, some have a kill restriction, or doctor(s) are successfully protecting people each night. That being said, I just don't see it.
HOWEVER, there is nothing stopping me fromVote: Kise, because I still do believe he is scum. I'm thinking Heartless at this point, but then I'm not sure who the last nobody is because my other top scum read (raider) is also probably Heartless.
I am perfectly happy with either a Kise or a raider lynch today. Raider is still obvscum I think for the bogus claim. I find it highly unlikely that Scar is scum with so many better choices for Heartless villains. Scar wasn't really directly involved with the Heartless at any point.-
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Someone asked for details of what I receive upon investigating a player. I receive two things:
1. Alignment - This is the same as any normal cop. I get told whether the player is town, Heartless, Nobody, or unspecified third party (I was not told whether or not there is a third party, only that there may be). I get fooled the same as any other cop by godfatherness/millerness.
2. Ability - This only gives me what action(s) the player has. Millerness/godfatherness is not considered an ability for the purposes of my role. A regular mafia night kill is not considered an ability either.
Example - I investigate player X who is a mafia godfather with one day kill and also 2 night flavor investigations (to find out name only). I will find out - player X is town with the ability to kill and flavor investigate (to find out name only). Absolute specifics are not given.-
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