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Hey all I'm here. I will be reading and catching up within the next couple of days. If there are any standing questions for me please repost them but as I am replacing in I cant answer for everything that Grandi may or may not have done.
Anyways I'm happy to be playing again after my 6 month "vacation" to a beach with no water.-
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There are way too many people right now to keep track of everyone so this is my noteable things from the first 5 pages. Will work on more tomorrow.
Page one: Nothing I care about.
Page two: Flavor text means nothing this early in the game. Something to think about as roles start to be revealed however I wouldn’t think the game would be fair if it really meant something.
Page three: I don’t think DisCode was rolefishing. RayFrost voting cobalt and saying he has reasons without posting his reasons is scummy to me. I read the thread and couldn’t figure it out.
Page four: MafiaSSK points out we should be scum hunting however I didn’t see him doing any. I just hate it when people say that, seems to happen every game I am in. Cobalt said what should have been common knowledge in post 88. I dislike the vote against him for it if it was for other reasons then its not a bad thing but that is what stuck out to me. I like post 94 but I still disagree with part. Talking about possible roles and how things could be related isn’t a bad thing unless he is talking about a specific person and specific role which I didn’t see.
Page five: The mod scene was connected to DisCode. Not sure what that means right now.-
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Two more pages done. So far I am getting into this game just wish I had more time to sit and read the whole thing before posting little notes here and there. Oh well, its more than the person before me has done thus far.
Page six: Its not rolefishing, but I can understand is someone thinks it to be odd or noteworthy. Gorrads post 149 is interesting, asking for someone to reveal information when it is not needed or warrented. If he is a PR there is no need for him to reveal that information as that will make him more of a target by saying what he is or isnt. By pointing out that you think he claimed PR you are opening him up when I over looked it and most likely other people did too. I remember seeing more scum than anything else making these types of posts. Townies would normally want to keep those roles hidden and not bring attention to them if someone slips.
Page seven: DisCode goes into more detail, not wise at this point but too late now. Still against the full claim, only time they are warranted is if the person is at L-2 or less. RayFrost is being very pushy and to me that is a scum tell when he has little backing at this point. I don’t get the vote on MafiaSSK by malthusis. Seems to me that the case is more to place a vote and hope it slips by unnoticed and questioned. I guess I will find out as I continue to read.-
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Seriously at the rate people are posting I wont be caught up until next week. At least I had some time today to read.
Page eight: The discussion between Gorrad and Vaya was good, while I have played some of the games I do not remember all the flavor so this was very informative. I think this just adds confusion to the mix but at least it can be decided that releasing the darkness didn’t have to be a bad thing. Random vote from a new person is really off but it seems that there are a lot of late comers into this game. That doesn’t help anything.
Page nine: Attacking is not always a no-tell. Someone getting tunnel vision is a good example of that. Need to make a note that this is the page there Hayker goes over the main story lines for Kingdom Hearts.
Page ten: A lot of off topic talk going on. I didn’t see anything that would be long term note worthy for me.
Page eleven: I agree with RayFrost, self metaing is scummy. Im confused what happened on this page but I don’t think it’s a big impact on the game.
Page twelve: I agree with Kise’s post 275. Wow twelve pages into the game and 2 people have yet to post. Well I took care of one of them. Still there are a lot of people in this game to try and keep tabs on. Random votes at this stage by xRECKONERx and Cobalt? No case to back it up? Seems fishy to me even though reckoner says 30% joking. Well Cobal did say something, seemed to have missed it but I like the reasoning behind his vote. Post 295 was obvious as soon as the post count was posted.
Page thirteen: Vaya joining the wagon could be to try and take the focus off her however people will vote based on someone else’s case. Otherwise nothing would ever happen. RayFrost posts 317 has some truth to it. Fuzzy has a point in 322.-
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This is the part I agreed with. As we are still in day and more then one person has started if so and so flips town then so and so is scum. I have seen this logic worth both ways and end with another town lynch more then not. Not to say that it is not possible the the second person is scum but as a whole its not worth pursuing.fuzzylightning wrote:So many statements of if someone flips scum or if someone flips town, that really doesn't help us right now, does it? Let's stop setting up future days and work on this one right now.-
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I'm tired, will work on more later.
Page fourteen: Vaya has reasoning in post 326 but right I don’t think there is enough to go on so by default the issue should be noted and everyone should move on. I love wolframnhart’s post (327) as that explain me as well. In post 331 I think I understand where RayFrost is coming from now, though I think it should be more directed to the people that would jump on a bandwagon after a few people join it and it has the chance to end in a lynch.
Page fifteen: I laughed at DragonsofSummer’s post 351. I don’t think he is in any position to call someone else out like that. Lots of people catching up but not much in terms of content. Post 372, DTMaster votes gorrand and then says he needs to reread about it. Wouldn’t the reread come before the vote? This looks like means to place a vote now and just leave it there for the remainder of the day. I guess I will find out as I continue to read.
Page sixteen: Sir Chris’s posts are fishy. Skimming the thread and trying to make a case with false information. I do not like it as it seems like Sir Chris was just trying to just get by. This game has been full of that though. It might have something to do with that this is a large game and people are having a hard time keeping track of everything. If so it should resolve itself as the days progress and hope it does before we are in lylo or something. Not a fan of the meta as people have been known to change their play style to match their role. Meta is not always reliable and based on that not enough to lynch someone. So a bandwagon forms on Zwet, not a fan of it.
Page seventeen: I understand the case on fuzzylightning, I think that is the first case that I have approved where I would look more into joining the bandwagon. I would normally do that now however I still have a few more pages to catch up on. Post 414 by DragonsofSummer is full of flaws. The vote was because zwet is acting odd not concidering zwet could be V/LA or something. Either way outside factors are having a large influence in this game and I am against that. If the reasoning for the vote was for pressure or something that I could understand it but that was not listed. Sir Chris, I saw it as well (post 432)
Page eighteen: I agree with post 434, scum like to have a way out and like to target the easy targets, ones with a solid case against them, lurkers or policy lynch people. Post 448, I was wondering that myself, where did DisCode go off too.-
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Page nineteen: In reference to post 455, I completely disagree. I have yet to have anyone even comment on me and yet the policy lynch is for a lurker. If you do that you will lynch just about everyone and that will get us no where in terms of the game. Lynching lurkers turns this into a guessing game instead of trying to really scum hunt or get rid of someone who is anti-town. Lurkers can and should be replaced if they do not post that is always the recommend solution. Post 459, how many town lurkers have been lynched in that way as well? I guarantee its has the same chance as randomly finding scum if not worse. Scum once prodded will do enough to just stay alive not ignore everything.
Page twenty: Zwet, that’s all you have to say? If this doesn’t improve you are quickly turning anti-town. I now approve of a couple more votes purely for pressure. I disagree with DisCode giving a full claim. There is no reason for it and if what he has already said is confusing that is still not a reason for a full claim. People are just frustrated because they do not understand that is not a reason to make him full claim and possibly get NK’d because of it. Regardless of what he says (towards his full claim) I do not see him being today’s lynch.
Page twenty-one: Post 518, there is no Zwet case outside of lurking and meta. That is not lynch worthy right now. I am more of a fan of DoS lynch. Then of course DoS speaks of tunneling (519), why didn’t you point out all the tunneling that is going on with the Zwet bandwagon? Sir Chris does not have tunnel vision that I see. DoS is just saying that trying to control other peoples votes, which I do see as a scum tactic. Then RayFrost talking about policy lynching, I think that is the third time you have wanted to policy lynch someone. Wanting to lynch everyone and anyone is a scum tactic yet again. Post 524, first post I recall from Kbud but its right on the money!
Page twenty-two: Again DoS is talking about tunneling; seriously that’s your defence? Grrr, Zwet jumps in and says policy lynch is bad. Nice to know you are doing nothing to be anti-town right now. Other than that this page was way off topic.
Page twenty-three: Post 558, this is just how I play. I like to take notes so I can find things easier as the game progresses. I hate making lists of each person and commenting that way. This way I can just reread my notes and the person who comes up a lot in negative ways would be the person I vote and make a case on. Right now that would be DoS or Zwet. Post 568, eh works for me. I’ll keep my notes to myself.
Post 599, well I didn’t see this post until now and everything was answered in my post however the noteworthy ones right now are:
DisCode, semi-claim caused confusion. I don’t want a full claim as its not warranted however he did leave and though came back I get the feeling he has given up on this game thinking he is going to be lynched or killed regardless. I have a feeling he is going to be NK’d but knowing this if there is a doc type role he may be protected so it’s hard to tell right now.
Sir Chris doesn’t stand out to me. I think he got the raw end on a few posts but I dont think he is a good lynch for today.
Cobalt is more less the same thing to me.
Zwet lynch as a policy is very bad but he is being anti-town. I would rather him not be lynched today but if his posts do not improve that would make for a lynch later on if nothing else presents itself.
DoS right now is who I would like to see lynched. I get the feeling he is trying to be controlling and accusing people of tunnel vision just because they do not see eye to eye with him. My vote will go here if nothing changes with the last few pages.-
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lol, I would hope everything lynching him would hope he is scum but I guess I need to reword my question. With how Zwet has played his actions lead me to think he is town, why else would he not defend himself. He is making himself an easy target and I would think that on vanilla townies would act like that and not care if they were lynched. That is just my take.wolframnhart wrote:I personally am hoping with zwet to lynch scum, he has done nothing to defend himself or really contribute.
If he is town, from there analyze the wagon and whatever happens at night and go from there on day 2.
If he is scum as i believe, still analyze the wagon, and those not on the wagon, and hope to catch a scum partner.
Though I hate meta's I will humor it a little bit. Lets say his play is different then his normal town zwet play. What would he have to gain? This alone leads me to believe that he has something to gain by dieing. Either hurting town as a whole if he is town, or if he is scum, maybe he takes the last voter with him or maybe something else. Who knows either way I would like to wait to find out.
My reworded question to those who are voting him are what if he is town? What is the rush? I know we have almost 30 pages but the deadline if I remember right isnt until the end of the month. I would rather drag this out and see if something else comes to light. I know that day one is normaly just a guessing game but I would still like that guess to be based of something other then lurking. I know that Zwet is being anti-town and that is worth being lynched but only if there is really nothing else possible. As I would rather have DoS lynched of course that is what I am going to promote.-
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Well first off shame on you for tunneling. Its bad...stopIecerint wrote:raider, why is DoS scummy for encouraging players to tunnel whereas I am not (at least not so far as you've described)? I could be fairly criticized as tunneling on Cobalt all game, but I didn't get scumpick in your post. To the extent that DoS is scummy for that, it seems that I would be, too. I'm not disputing that DoS may be scummy; I'm just trying to iron out an apparent inconsistency.
Secondly, you have given your input for other players. Even if you did not continue on them I have evidence that you have not picked one person and just focused on them. Secondly, the person you replaced had their own opinion and though you are not the same person by changing up the vote that shows that the character you are playing is not tunneling. I hope that makes sense.-
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Please go back and reread DoS's post and let me know if you still feel this way. They were differences in their posts, mainly Sir Chris was willing and did look at other people before deciding on who he would like to go after, I never was such evidence from DoS and moreso that he never showed intent to attack anyone else or willingness to do so.RayFrost wrote:Eh, your thing was a far more extreme example if it stood out in my mind.
From my PoV, raider calling out DoS but not you is scummy regardless of if DoS actually did claim people were tunneling.-
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lol, I love it when people only skim posts and think they got the idea or when they try to turn the words to something else. Either way you were calling out people for tunnel vision when they disagreed with you. As soon as someone responded you left. It looks like you were going after or trying to find easy targets. Can you say you have done otherwise?DragonsofSummer wrote:@Raider: So your case on me is I've been trying to control the game by what? Not being as present as most people? That seems like terrible logic to me. It looks more to me like you are just saying hey DoS is scummy look at him, with crap reasoning and no evidence.-
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I love this post! He is not trying to candy coat his intentions.Papa Zito wrote:Plum's talking like she knows what zwet will flip.
Plum, I don't know nor care what zwet's meta is. All I know is that he isn't contributing anything whatsoever to the game, and I've lynched too many scum who play the lurker game to stop now. You can say "Yeah but so-and-so isn't doing anything either" if you want but that doesn't excuse zwet (or those people for that matter) at all. I'll happily join a viable wagon on any other lurker scum, especially on Day 1 of a large game where it's just too easy to lurk. If zwet's wagon suddenly magically melted away and was replaced by *insert scummy lurking player slot here* then I'd join that one too. This isn't about zwet, this is about removing scummy players and improving our chances down the road.
That said, I'm also up for lynching one of Sir Chris/Rayfrost just to make them shut up.
Though I do not want zwet dead day one for his actions or inactions as it may be I would rather target someone who we think is scum. Lurkers can be replaced and I would rather have that then just lynch people for not posting. In the long run we would spend the game doing that instead of scum hunting. Also by lynching lurkers when someone flips town or something else undesirable no one will take responsibility for it and instead blame it on that they were a lurker and leave it at that.
On my note this is why someone who has been a little more action should be lynched, say like DoS.-
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Get our act together? Seriously? Oh no, day one and we cant work together, we are all screwed! Might as well give up now and give the game to scum.Papa Zito wrote:Oh BTW, wouldn't mind a Sajin lynch. I mean, look at this.
No. You whine and cry for people to help you, the whole freaking town rallies with all kind of bolded nonsense, and.... that's it? "Thanks?" What kind of BS is this. First it's the "I have info no wait opinions no wait INFO AND OPINIONS BUT I CAN'T SHARE NYAH" and now it's this. You're a big huge scummy distraction.Hollow Bastion wrote:Thank you for being willing to help me, all.
If you can't tell I'm irritated that our first viable wagon in 30+ pages is being torn down for no raisin. If this town refuses to get its act together we're doomed.
Why are you in a rush for someone to get lynched. Bandwagons are great for getting information but there is nothing to gain with this bandwagon. Zwet isnt going to claim or post anything important for that matter. He is one of many in this game similar to that.-
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Wow, missed this post somehow.DragonsofSummer wrote:If you have more of a case than this:
I would love to see it. Do not insult me by saying I only skimmed your posts. Even though all you did was say what had happened on previous pages for most of them I did read them, and that is the only thing even resembling a case against me. Also I only told one person they were tunnelling, and it was Sir Chris, stop misrepresenting what I did.raider8169 wrote:DoS right now is who I would like to see lynched. I get the feeling he is trying to be controlling and accusing people of tunnel vision just because they do not see eye to eye with him. My vote will go here if nothing changes with the last few pages.
Ok looking at you in ISO just because I am lazy right now. Your third post calling out someone for not putting any content in there posts. Your first post you randomly voted, your second post was worthless. Gee where was your content at? Or does that only apply to other people? Post 351, calling out Sir Chris for utter crap. You have said little of anything thus far. Of course I am sure you are tossing around suspicion without any reason at least in your first 4 posts. You said someone actions were scummy yet it is the same thing you are doing. Does that make it less scummy for you? So then you back off because he posted, yet your posts still leave a lot of room. The vote would have been better suited for yourself and not Zwet. Then yet another post talking about not posting any content. I am seeing a pattern. Calling Chris out for tunnelling which I have already said and shown why it is not. Seems you have only gone after Chris which is tunneling except for your vote on Zwet which was just an easy place to move it and you didnt need to present a real case. Your 7th post gives me the feeling you are trying to appeal to the town. Otherwise it was another worthless post. Oh wait post 8 maybe something real...nope just you trying to be funny with a QFT. Post 9, woot a real post. Only you are just trying to defend yourself. My evidence you ask, well outside of this calling someone out for tunneling just because they were looking at you is a means of control. By calling him out you are hoping that he will move his vote, a minor goal would be to get him to join your side and vote for the same person you are. Any easy way to jump back on him for it later. Then bring us to your tenth and last post. Asking me to sum up my case.
In the end you are calling people out for what you are doing, which would be tunneling and not posting content. Lurking like most other people and admitting to it. To some people that can be a townie trait but not to me. It shows you know what you are doing and not willing to do anything about it. Oh, the skimming part, had you read my previous posts you would have seen the case and that you caught my eye early on so its not like I am just trying pick on you.
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Though 17 days seems like a long time, most people do not post daily or even close to that so many people are not going to chime in that much during the 17 days. Normaly people will just give in and vote whoever is the closest to a lynch just to make sure there is not a no lynch.Sir Chris wrote:Man, asking for an extension 17 days before deadline. Again, I am used to 48 hour days, this will take awhile to not amuse me greatly.-
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One, there is a wagon on him and has been for some time. Secondly, he has posted after the wagon has started and did not address anything asked of him. I take that to be a pattern and base it off of that. He is not someone worth having late in this game but I see him as an easy target and should only be lynched if there is not a real scummy player identified. I think my case on DoS is worth at least more pressure votes for him to post some content. As he has posted a few times I think the pressure would work on him or at least have a better chance. Plus I would rather get the information then the lynch as we still have some time.Papa Zito wrote:
And you know what zwet is going to do how?raider8169 wrote:Get our act together? Seriously? Oh no, day one and we cant work together, we are all screwed! Might as well give up now and give the game to scum.
Why are you in a rush for someone to get lynched. Bandwagons are great for getting information but there is nothing to gain with this bandwagon. Zwet isnt going to claim or post anything important for that matter. He is one of many in this game similar to that.
Especially if you don't even attempt to draw out said reaction by encouraging a wagon on him?
Sigh.
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Playing down my case then? Not answering my questions? Looks like you are just trying to downplay the case and brush it off. So be it but that is scummy. I did ask you some direct questions please answer them.DragonsofSummer wrote:@Raider: Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black. Up until you actually did a pbpa on me all you had done is spout off what had happened in the game. That requires no thought whatsoever and doesn't add anything at all. Also while there was a Yugioh Abridged joke in my QFT I QFT'd for a reason, and not just as a joke as you stated.-
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What would be the point in killing in then looking at the people on the wagon. Cant we do that without killing him or is the killing him to ensure that he is town or scum before hand?DrippingGoofball wrote:Thanks for all the <3 - <3 you all right back!
DeathNote all you need to know now is that zwet is being mega-bus'ed by his buddies, and we have to kill him, then take a long hard look at all the people on his wagon so far.
Before me = scumz, me and after = townz.
If he is town then scum are ganging up on him and if he is scum he is being bus'd? Either way town can hide in there all the same its just too easy for him to be lynched and everyone look the other way.-
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Its something that annoys me in these games. When there is a bandwagon based on someone being anti-town. They do not always have to be scum but someone who is opening not helping out the town. They are easy to lynch and the following day if they flip town then everyone can chalk that up their crappy play and not take any of the responsibility themselves. It allows scum to hide in the bandwagon and get away with an easy townie lynch without raising suspicions. Else, if the person turns up scum then everyone not on the bandwagon is scummy when Zwet can be 50/50 either way. This appeals for scum to bus said person and ride on that for the next few days and control the townie lynches. No matter how you look at it, town loses out.Kise wrote:raider8169 wrote:Either way town can hide in there all the same its just too easy for him to be lynched and everyone look the other way.
So you mad cuz town can't get incriminated? Your POV in this post seems slippery.
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While I agree with you I did not see much if any of a difference. You tunneled on Sir Chris if I remember right, in my previous posts I said when, dont have time right now to find it. You were shrugging off my attacks/down playing them. This is all scummy behavior. Do not think for a second that I will only go after one issue at a time. If there are more issue I will stat them as well. I do not try and withhold part of my case to stretch it out.DragonsofSummer wrote:To answer the one question in your post, similar behavior is not necessarily scummy for two different people. Point out where I have tunneled and I will explain why its not. It doesn't seem I can win with you, either I am tunneling by defending myself from accusations, or I am just "shrugging" off what my attackers are saying by giving it minimal notice. You can't have both, pick the one you want and stop attacking me for the other.
Your "opinion" was calling out one of many people doing the same thing you were doing. He did not put his opinions on other people but your post in calling him out was also the first post you did that as well. You still have not said anything on anyone other then him. Seems your focus is now defending and you dont seem to care about anything else. How is anyone mischaracterizing you for calling someone out for lurking when you were lurking yourself?DragonsofSummer wrote:You call me calling out Chris for lurking scummy because I was lurking too. Fine, but at least I was putting my opinions out there on someone. Which I did not feel he had done. Which was my actual case, not the lurking itself, and I would appreciate if people would stop mischaracterizing what I did.
If you have opinions of other players you need to post them or at least on the players you find scummy. Otherwise, besides the fact that they mean nothing, they dont exist and you are just saying that to appease everybody. It doesnt work. If that is your game style then you are only hurting town by not expressing your opinions on other players and you are better off lynched then holding back information or thoughts.DragonsofSummer wrote:Also note, that when I am attacking a player for what I feel is scummy my thoughts on other players is not nearly as important though they are there, and I don't feel the need to divulge every thought I have about the rest of the players in this game to stop giving the impression that I am tunneling. If thats how you see it, you and I just have a different view of how to play the game, its as simple as that.-
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My bad, it looked nicer in word but copy and paste wasnt my friend. Plus I forgot to preview it first.DrippingGoofball wrote:raider8169 - use the paragraph spacer, dammit! You're UNREADABLE!!! SCUM!!!!
Wrong, just wrong. I evaluated people as I went and posted that information on what I thought was note worthy at the time. You have already tried to accuse me on this once and I proved you wrong and so you are going to try again? Tell you what, prove me wrong and show how I have been guilty of the same.DragonsofSummer wrote:@Raider: I feel my thoughts on you are pretty clear right now. You are guilty of the same things you are accusing me of, and as such should by your logic be voting yourself. I think you and I have a different definition for what tunneling is, and that may be part of the problem.
When I speak of Tunnel Vision I refer to someone taking all their efforts and focusing on just one person and not bothering to pay attention to anything else. If you think of it as something else post it.-
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I see now, my bad, I mistyped. I wouldnt leave the people that didnt vote on the bandwagon completely off the hook. I am sure not all the scum were on it. They knew ahead of time he would flip town and they would need some wiggle room. Its all WIFOM but still something to keep in mind.Kise wrote:But in the initial quote, you didn't say scum. You said town. Meaning you hate it when town can't take the blame. But enough of that. If zwet flips scum, then we'll go after the people that bussed him rather than those that didn't vote. K?-
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Personally I dont see why you used the ability so soon as now you have made yourself a target and then by saying there are more details. Oh well, he is your character to play how you wish.Iecerint wrote:I don't want to claim all the details of my role, but I don't see any harm in claiming Jack Sparrow.
I guess this goes for everyone in this game, please do not claim any part of your role unless you need it to back something up or are at L-1. by doing so you are letting the scum know who have the power roles and giving them targets instead of forcing them to guess.-
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While the idea of it is good I think it would have been better suited for maybe day 2. Night actions are good as it lets us know what we are up against however had you been nk'd then we would have lost it. I guess it really doesnt matter just personal preference.Iecerint wrote:I used my ability the way that I did because I think giving the town a functional free lynch is as good a use of a DK as can be hoped for. I don't want to claim my flavor or abilities because that information is not information that town needs to know, but it may help scum manufacture fakeclaims and/or determine their N1 target.-
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Well I guess its better then saying little while saying absolutely nothing which is your case.DragonsofSummer wrote:Hmmm saying a lot while saying absolutely nothing. That is very good.vote hayker.
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You have said plenty? Addressing specific players? Looking back I see only these:DragonsofSummer wrote:I've said plenty raider. You are just ignoring it. I have put opinions out there on multiple players now, just like you asked. You can think my opinion on you is wrong all you want, but I still have a right to it. You can say you analyzed as part of your read through posts but I call bs on the analysis. That is all I have to say about it right now.
DragonsofSummer wrote:On which note, zwet obviously is not going to do anything even remotely helpful in this game because we have given him opportunity, and he has time and again done nothing.
You consider this posting plenty? If you think this to be a mistake, prove me wrong. You are trying to defend yourself and I am not ignoring anything, there is just nothing there to be ignored. At least give me a chance to do that before accusing me of it.DragonsofSummer wrote:Hmmm saying a lot while saying absolutely nothing. That is very good.vote hayker.-
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There will not be a counter claim. If there was both players would be killed and one would be scum making that a good trade off for us as scum havnt had a NK yet. Besides I assume it to be a one shot day vig but otherwise a VT thought char wise I assume he can not be nk'd simply because no one gets the best of sparrow.Gorrad wrote:Unvoteunless someone counter-claims.-
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Hmm, not liking this. DGB is without question leading the town right now. While I do not think her to be scum,Gorrad wrote:As can I, though I definitely want an answer to my previous question regarding Hayker's wagon.Vote: SirPent.
If there's two things I've learned in my time here, one is to trust DGB. ESPECIALLY if she's scum. It makes games so much more fun.IFshe is, she has the town right where she would want us.
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I'm not faulting her in the least, I just see her leading the town. You dont need to agree with me about it though I do like to see that people do not feel the same way.Cobalt wrote:This is bad logic. You can't fault someone because they're influential and *might* be scum. You have to go off actual scum reads.
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What would anyone have to gain by counter claiming this early in the game? While I did see how you backed him into a corner and he claimed quickly so I believe the claim. I do not think he should have been put in the situation to claim as he used he dayvig to do what the majority of the town wanted. There is no reason to dig further into this at this time that would gain more for town then scum. What is the point in roll-fishing someone who did the majority wanted?Gorrad wrote:Raider, why are you so sure there won't be a counter claim? I specifically worded my posts so that, if Iecerint was scum, he would HAVE to claim Jack. Meaning he could not, should he be scum, claim one of his safeclaims. So. Either a) Iecerint is scum, Jack was one of the fakeclaims b) Iecerint is telling the truth c) Iecerint is scum and risking a counter claim from town.
Only scum know who scum are. I want to know why you dismissed option c so assuredly.
Also, I disagree completely about DGB leading the town.
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This suggests that you are scum not wanting to dirty your hands on a townie lynch.raider8169 wrote:I am not satisfied with the bandwagon to join it at this time. Besides I think 5 or so votes is enough for SirPent to address it.
Amirite?
Yes, yes you are. Ya caught me.
Reading over SirPent I do not enough to warrent him to be the days lynch but having votes on him is not a bad thing. I just wanted it known to make sure everyone in this game doesnt just follow you and he is lynched up quickly. Moreless the same thing that happened with Zwet. You voted and then others followed blindly. The same thing is happening here and I do not want it so jump up that quickly. I like where the bandwagon is at the moment.
Also, has the deadline been moved back? Something tells me no as the deadline was set for the day and the day has not ended.-
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Eh, Im ok with that. I want DoS lynched but without support that just isnt going to happen. Why would someone need to be on a wagon to disapprove of another wagon? Plus I have not said I disapprove the SirPent wagon I just said I do not wish to join it right now.Iecerint wrote:I'm normally resistant of "scum wanting to avoid townie mislynch wagon" rhetoric, but I think I may agree with DGB in this case. Avoiding the wagon would be fine if you were on one ("I like this one better!"), but you are not.-
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Grr, I knew about the reset but I thought I redid my vote.Iecerint wrote:If you really want DoS lynched, wouldn't voting for DoS be a nice first step? It's true that it may be fruitless, but it's not any more fruitless than being voteless. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I assume it would be scum simply because I believe the claim.Gorrad wrote:Saber: 536. I already said a few times.
Raider: Why do you assume that the person counter-claiming would be scum? You said it yourself, one town for one scum is a good deal. If he's fakeclaiming and not using a safeclaim, something I specifically tried to force him to do with the flavor analysis, then there could be a REAL Jack Sparrow, pro-town, who could counter him.-
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I only saw those thoughts in response to the pressure they put on you first. In other works OMGUS thoughts. Still you have time to show me I am wrong but it doesnt change the original case as you were being a hypocrite.DragonsofSummer wrote:@Raider: How about my thoughts on Chris? Or my thoughts on you? You can't omit them just because you disagree with them. Also I believe that thoughts on 4 players at this point in the game is more than adequate. I know you disagree lets not argue that point because it will have the same result as an unstoppable force hitting an immovable object.-
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(1) Wouldnt this be everyone who is not voting SirPent? I just expressed my thoughts while no one else did. Is that really so bad?DrippingGoofball wrote:SirPent is town, folks! But raider sure isn't.
(1) SirPent not lynch worthy according to raider, but the rest of us throwing votes at SirPent is fine with him!!!
(2) Suddenly, gripped with fear of lynching a valuable lurker. Can you say, cheap town cred?
(3) I engineered a key strategic lynch of zwet, a power player, and everyone followed me blindly despite zwet giving off a super town vibe. God forbid such tragedies should happen again!
unvote, vote: raider
(2) Isnt that what I said with Zwet. If you keep lynching all the lurkers there will be no one left. Lynching all lurkers is going to give scum an easy win. Granted its only 2 at this point but when does it end? There are more lurkers then active players.
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A lurker needs to be replaced plain and simple with someone who will be active that is just good sense so the game can be played as it is intended.saberwolf wrote:Raider: What about a lurker lynch is the most appealing and the least appealing from a strategy point of view? How about from an information point of view? Do these two views ever coincide? Why or why not?
If the lurker is being anti-town then it changes everything. This was the case with Zwet later on but I got the feeling he was enjoying it as he was completely ignoring everything asked at him.
If getting lurkers or anti-town players replaced is not possible then lynching them is the only thing left. The first day I feel its best to lynch someone who has giving their opinion on people and has been active. For example I would have made a good lynch in this case as I did have my opinion on people and once I am dead and confirmed town you can take what I say more seriously. By lynching a lurker we do not have any confirmed opinions to help with day 2. Lurkers and Anit-town players need to be removed before it gets close to lylo so they do not cost the town the game. Make sense?-
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What the heck! I come back to see like 5 new pages. Im currently V/LA though I should still have time to read and post a little bit but I spent all day walking around NYC and Im beat. Its cold and windy here.
On a real note, Reckoner you said you had a hunch. Can you go into more detail about this or otherwise explain what the point in telling that to us was? I seems obvious enough that if someone says they have an idea that they would tell the idea otherwise it just seems like you are opening hiding something from everything. Still it could be that if you say what it is it wouldnt work but why tell us you have a hunch in the first place. Not really going anywhere with this but I am just curious.-
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Even townies need to defend themselves with passion. Who is to say that a townie should not go all out and defend themselves? I had people who roll over and die, nothing is gained from that. Letting myself be lynched without a fight or even just a little fight goes against my win condition. Plus when I do get lynched or die and then become a confirmed townie people can at least take what I say as a confirmed townie. I have seen a lot of people use this reasoning, I have never quite understood it as I have seen it both ways.Gorrad wrote:I'm suspicious of players that defend, with disproportionate passion, worthless players/lurkers/zwet. That's something that scum will do to earn town cred. Not always; but I've seen it a lot. That's what raider was doing. If this tilted raider further in the scum column, it balanced SirPent into the town column.-
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I play to win. That is why someone saying someone is over defending is scummy is crap. People have different play styles and as the game is suppose to be fun being out of the game isnt much fun either. I think more is learned from over defending then just defending main points or doing nothing at all.saberwolf wrote:I just wanted to go on a mini rant, not really related to the game. I really hate it when people talk about this, like when they go to someone and say "oh, but you're not fulfilling your win condition". Whoop-de-fucking-do. Sure, the goal is to try to win the game, but so is having fun. Sometimes the two need a balance, but when people try to preach about how you need to always play to your win condition, I think it's stupid. Your playstyle could always be trying to win in the long run if you're playing anti-town or not posting a lot or something. There are always secret motives. Just because somebody doesn't know what's going on in your head doesn't mean you're not trying to fulfill your win condition. [/rant]
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lol, so what Zwet did should have been the biggest possible towntell? I understand what you are saying, at least I think. There is a line for defending oneself but if its crossed then it turns scummy. Cant say I agree but for me its when someone changes their defense when the first one they were using doesnt work.Gorrad wrote:Er, ok, I see how you could get that from what I said, but that's not how I meant it. I don't find defense a scumtell. I find lack of defense a towntell. Does that make more sense?-
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I completely agree, no one is ever 100% in this game. I just dont think that is possible.Sir Chris wrote:Everyone can be wrong, you and I included. As I said, it isn't a heavy suspicion, but one I feel I should note as I noted it a lot earlier in the game, but moved on from it completely to focus my efforts on DoS.-
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Its most likely going to be the same case he had like 30 pages ago that was full of crap and what started my case against him.Maemuki wrote:
Well...what were Sir's biggest scumtells? Why are you voting for the person that you have explained the least about?I'm not quitting, its just you can only throw logic at a brick wall for so long and watch it do nothing.-
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AtE is similar to sarcasm as most people can identify it and just not take it seriously.ace5993 wrote:SirChris - So you are basically saying that your general playstyle is scummy? You are saying that "Oh hi, yeah I'm usually pretty scummy in my games, so if I make a scumtell, just ignore it." THAT is scummy.-
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Changing your mind I dont think has ever been questioned, sticking with something is another story. Still with you changing your mind so much does open up lots of different conversations so I do not think it is a bad thing.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Hahaha. Does it look like I'll never change my mind?Sir Chris wrote:I don't like the manner in which DGB is rather casually declaring people town left, right, and center. If town, it really weakens your position to pursue them at later times.
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