Legacy of the Ancients Mafia (That's All, Folks!)

[UncertainKitten]

Alright so...Tar will probably soon announce that I'm replacing myself. Er, rather, replacing forbiddanlight, who is the me that believes in herself that believes in me.

Ah, put simply I'm replacing forbiddanlight because I'm moving to this account since it's my name everywhere ELSE on the internets.

So...yeah.

[UncertainKitten]

That is the most amazing cake ever, thank you S_B

posting that renumeration was the most idiotic thing you could ever have done, no offense.

Yeah...really.

Derpsicle.

[UncertainKitten]

Huh, that's a pretty cool role ToD has.

Anyway, I would love to see zwet claim as has been asked...three? times?

[UncertainKitten]

There is absolutely no reason on earth for me to claim. I don't see the logic behind this insane succession of claims.

Well, except someone who is practically confirmed town has just asked you to do so.

Therefore, I see a lot of reasons for you to claim. Could you please do so ^-^? We actually haven't sent our condemn yet ^-^;...so, it can always change targets.

[UncertainKitten]

UK, what does Reflect do, and why did you use it on Kairyuu N0?

That's classified information. Maybe you should read vote counts and mod scenes if I'm correct about what happened.

FL/UK was targeted by a shadow redirecter as tracked by me. So if you do believe me, I would assume she is NOT shadow.

When did this happen? Was it yesterday? Because I think I can piece together what happened from there.

[UncertainKitten]

FL is scum, by the way.

I love unsubstantiated accusations! No, really, I REVEL in them.

Unfortunately, you're...going to be proven wrong by the end of today. Sorry about that ^-^

If you're planning on daykilling me, don't waste your shot. I refuse to claim.

/me sighs

Well, I guess that's that .

So, we have a lot of targets at this point. I'm going to converse with my fellow councilmembers and we shall decide what we do.

[UncertainKitten]

@FL/UK- I do not need protection. You should protect the dayvig in my opinion. And kill one of Zwett/Animorpherv/Maemuki. Also, please send starbuck to do it in case anyone has suprises they are nopt mentioning. Starbuck, if she is indeed town should have no problems with that.

As I said, we are deliberating on who to kill and stuff. As for protection, I won't reveal who's been protected, though I guess somewhere along the line it was obvious I'm a protective role.

[UncertainKitten]

You have your council protection too. And 2 verdicts.

Oh, derp. Well, still, I mean, it's pretty obvious since my ability name was revealed.

[UncertainKitten]

This is incorrect. I don't know where this came from, but we HAVE NOT used an investigate on you.

Dramonic investigated him. However, the council has not.

Not to mention that Tar likes to make powerful Serial Killers. Investigation immune that can use double votes to control additional council kills and protections? That would be right up his alley.

Interesting thought.

Also, Sajin, when was I redirected?

[UncertainKitten]

Also unless dramonic investigated you of his own accord, you were NEVER investigated by the Council.

Me? Well, we already implemented that one didn't we ^-^.

If you mean Sajin, as I said, dramonic investigated him. Dramonic has said this several times in thread. Sajin at least appears to be ancient, if we trust dram.

[UncertainKitten]

One more thing, I'm not immune to investigations. It seems that Mae blocked anything that dramonic was supposed to do that night.

Oh, we know that. I'm just saying it's an interesting theory.

Also, FL, you are saying that Sajin appears to be Ancient, but he's trying to say that he's confirmed and I'm not comfortable with that when he is not.

He mostly is. Assuming we trust dram. Which is a big assumption to be sure.

Well, should we investigate him soon?

[UncertainKitten]

Personally, anyone trying to confirm themselves as pro-town is scummy to me, imo, as it screams I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING PRO-TOWN TO DO, SO I'M GONNA CLEAR MYSELF! fos:Sajin

Ok, so, you basically are saying it's wrong to reiterate an investigation result when apparently everyone in the damn game keeps forgetting it? I know it's not fool proof, but it seems more people are trying to pretend it isn't there completely rather than just outright say "dram says you're ancient. Cool. We'd like some cool protown stuff now"

[UncertainKitten]

FL- Sociopath targeted you day 0 and day 1. Day 1 the targets were him targeting FL, DoS, DoS, Boxman. I have not posted all the day 0 results yet.

Ok. Nevermind then.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, no, we would have told you if we sent Starbuck to condemn Bogre. Remember, we implemented Doubleday yesterday.

[UncertainKitten]

Like I've said before, I consider being in the council a town (or 3rd party) tell, but it's entrily possible that there's 1 scum in there, and Starbuck may be a miller.

Given we've had other tracker millers claim, um, I don't think that's the case.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, it IS a Tar game... I wouldn't be surprised.

It is a Tar game generally means you know if you're a miller. I've played enough of his games and mod similarly to him (I'd like to think ^-^;?)

[UncertainKitten]

Not really, considerng how we have a double day.

We already lynched Xyl, don't forget.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm surprised that Tar would put such an...exploitable thing in the game. Well, rather, something so easily gotten around, but, hey, even he makes design mistakes. Restricting what a player can say can be...difficult since there tend to be ways around it.

So, why isn't zwet being lynched?

[UncertainKitten]

I'd rather not lynch zwet today.

Why not?

[UncertainKitten]

Ok, so, here's the deal.


2) Sajin = dramonic confirmed tracker
3) Trumpet of Doom = no idea
4) zwetschenwasser = Supposedly not a good kill, ToD says
7) Vaya = Outsider mason
9) UncertainKitten= needs to have her name updated in vote counts, and is confirmed town (by council investigation)
11) dramonic = Mostly cleared, I'd like to council investigate him today. Or do a global roleblock
17) Starbuck = Dubious alignment. Seen targetting someone she should not have been able to by Sajin
23) Snow_Bunny = Outsider of some sort.

Starbuck, ToD, and zwet are my biggest choices for "why the game is still continuing"

So, how shall we deal with this?

[UncertainKitten]

[quote]11) dramonic = Mostly cleared, I'd like to council investigate him today. Or do a global roleblock [/quote

Huh, I should have edited that.

Ah well, you still don't know what we'll do ^-^

[UncertainKitten]

dramonic will probably be confirmed today.

also, dram, Sajin was wrong about Mae, was he not?

[UncertainKitten]

/me sighs

That really wasn't supposed to happen.

But, what can I say, vague phrasing that allows for multiple interpretations can be...irritating. I can't argue because he is right, that's how it should have been read.

well, whatever, this isn't a good thing.

[UncertainKitten]

UK, who did the Council condemn? (For that matter, who'd you investigate?)

We condemned Maemuki.

We investigated UncertainKitten.

Heart Stop? Certianly NOT council related

Vote Starbuck

We probably won't be able to implement a council action until Starbuck dies.

Odds are, Mae's effect killed dram. It wasn't SUPPOSED to but that was my fault for misinterpretting something.

[UncertainKitten]

TO be fair, Starbuck claimed her role PM already, malt. It didn't have Heart Stop on it though.

[UncertainKitten]

Nor did it have anything about blades. I just checked.

OH RIGHT! I forgot, she intentionally excluded that, and told us she would.

That worked quite in our favor ^-^.

Onward with the steamroller!

[UncertainKitten]

I just realized there is no way she is Shadow (I still think she isn't town). Why would she have killed Bogre, her own fellow Mafioso?

Yeah, we know she's not shadow.

But she's lying.

She's obviously an anti town third party.

You know what the ancient win con says as well as I do.

I really don't like when people try to use their performances in other games (in her case TradTimm) as a point of defense when a good chunk of us weren't even in the game.

As a point of defense? More like a point of attack and justification.

Enough people here WERE in that game to recall...ah...what happened ^-^.

Course, I was bringing that up in our supa~ secwet council conversations, not out here :S.

[UncertainKitten]

I'll make the appropriate apologies if you flip Ancient.

But...the thing is...you...uh...won't.

ToD had no way of knowing you had the ability "Blade of Glory".

yet he saw you use it, as he should have.

What he shouldn't have seen was Heart Stop. Yet it was there. I highly doubt you've been framed, especially since a mostly confirmed townie saw you use an active ability D2 as well. Are you seriously saying you've been framed twice in a row?

[UncertainKitten]

and/or redirected.

Ah, but you "don't have any active abilities", right?

So what could have been redirected?

[UncertainKitten]

I definitely could have been. Do I know definitely? No, I do not, but it seems that many others have some highly powerful actions they can make.

Ok...please, explain for me how someone who doesn't have an action could have their...um...action...redirected?

I'm sorry, I'm terribly confused here. Maybe I'm a little ill or something and it's slowing down my mental faculties.

But...I really don't see how a redirect could give the results we have seen.

If ToD were redirected, he wouldn't have seen Blade of Glory. If Sajin were redirected...well, possible, but didn't his flavor specifically mention you? I might be misremembering on that score.

I like coming up with weird roles. And I am drawing a COMPLETE blank on what would cause two mostly confirmed townies to get results that strongly implicate you.

Please, offer something more substantial than "I was framed!"

[UncertainKitten]

I'm throwing out possibilities of what could have happened. You seem to want to tear me apart and throw me to the wolves. Let's not forget to mention that I DID NOT WANT to condemn Mae. But who was pushing it so hard, PROMISING ME that dramonic was GOING TO BE PROTECTED?? You were. And what happened? He WASN'T protected.

Congratulations, you are using the fact that my Ultimate was worded vaguely to argue against me. This isn't about me or my affiliation. This is about yours. I don't see what Mae OR dram have at ALL to do with this.

Remember, I SHOWED you my ultimate, and you brought up NOTHING against it. As it turns out the "at the beginning of the next day" part applied to the ENTIRE thing, not just the two extra votes to lynch portion, which is why dram died.

I think I explained this in the council thread as well ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

I refuse to reply to anyone who's being blatantly insulting.

Fair, I apologize.

It's merely...frustrating. Because the results on you show me that you are trying to work the appeal to emotion hard, and it's irritating me.

I would like to see a more fleshed out explanation that would explain those results though.

[UncertainKitten]

The only thing I wanted to state about that was your constant pressure on me to vote to condemn Mae. You have been bloodthirsty this entire game. I'm glad there are no more condemns left.

Thought we had one left? We've only condemned twice IIRC.

D1: Condemn Xyl
D2: DoubleDay
D3: Investigate Forbiddan, condemn Mae

Yep, only twice.

Further, I'm ALWAYS bloodthirsty. The more kills the better. We also had reason to believe Mae was scum, though we apparently screwed up. Worse than I thought because I misinterpretted my role. My bad. Not much can be done about that though. At any rate, we have a lot more evidence supporting the current course of action being right, though.

[UncertainKitten]

I love it when being a hard ass works.

Sorry Starbuck, I just don't feel as guilty now. I'll be honest though, had it not been for my play in TRADTiMM, I'd probably have been more amenable to your scheme, Starbuck ^-^.

Hmm, yeah, I think it's time to get rid of outsiders at this point.

Malt, I, and Sajin are confirmed town. At this point we just have to kill all non ancients. It's a bloody way to win but...hey, I like blood .

Vote Snow Bunny

[UncertainKitten]

Not Voting (8)

What's this Tar?

[UncertainKitten]

Unvote

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah...no need to rush malt. We have the game mostly locked.

I think it was a mod error. but I'm waiting for confirmation.

[UncertainKitten]

No. If starbuck did a factional mafia kill it would show up as her kill method. There could still be another mafia faction (Zwet) around.

That's why we are condemning him.

But I figure to be on the safe side, we should lynch everyone who's not confirmed. We can actually get away with this from what I can tell.

Oh, malt, who did you night vig?

[UncertainKitten]

Do not condemn zwet. He claimed nightkill resistance. Do not do it.

Lynch him.


Dammit talk to me, don't do council actions without my input please.

Oh, yeah! sorry, we didn't actually target zwet. That was the initial plan but we chose not to. So yeah, we were going to lynch zwet today :S.

Sorry, I'm scatter brained. Suffice it to say the actions we are doing are in the right order.

[UncertainKitten]

2) Sajin (0)
4) zwetschenwasser (0)
7) Vaya (0)
9) UncertainKitten (rep. forbiddanlight) (0)
16) malthusis (0)
23) Snow_Bunny (0)

Not Voting (8): Sajin, zwetschenwasser, Vaya, UncertainKitten, malthusis, Snow_Bunny

Votes required to lynch: 5

Ani has a vote while in the grave. I do remember this.

Do you think Xyl does?

[UncertainKitten]

Wait, both are RFG'd...

Do we need to target Starbuck?

[UncertainKitten]

My day vig prevented me from using the night one...

Ah, ok, I understand now ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

FL, if zwet lynch does not end the game, and a heartstop kill shows up again then we can lynch Starbuck.

Today we should lynch zwet.

I agree

I'm a simple bulletproof townie. As of now I have 6 kill immunity counters.

That's nice. You unfortunately suffer from "Not confirmed" disorder. Nothing personal, but everyone who's not me, Sajin, or malt at this point needs to die.

We can't let them Starbuck get free. I believe she still is alive, and she'll just kill me off next night. You said you blocked zwet, so let's lynch Starbuck and use Global Roleblock to prevent everything.

What makes you think so? Actually malt, I can handle any problems relating to Starbuck killing you.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, Vaya is basically confirmed outsider mason. However, Snow Bunny COULD have an outsider fake claim, so she's safe to eliminate in our destruction of unconfirmeds plan.

I think Starbuck will be taken care of ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Pardon? Why would scum have a fakeclaim for a non Ancient faction? Also, Bunny's behavior all game has been blatantly Outsiderly, I could tell she was an Outsider from the beginning. It's impossible for me to believe she's not an Outsider and has been faking it the whole time.

Non ancient but still counts as ancient for win con, right? It makes for a more convincing fakeclaim.

It's an outside shot though.

Basically if I could choose endgame, I'd prefer to have me, Sajin, ToD, and you, Vaya. Your claim is corrobated by lack of counterclaim. So we'd know for certain that you were what was stopping us from winning.

I'd rather not risk an endgame of two outsiders/two townies, to be honest. Hopefully killing Starbuck and lynching zwet will finish the game before we have to turn to that.

[UncertainKitten]

Anyway, if you're set on taking care of Starbuck tonight(though I'd personally really prefer to global RB, then Outsiders help lynch again for the sake of points, I don't see how it makes any difference to the Ancients), I can settle on zwet. I'll vote zwet after bunny gets here and places a vote.

To be fair, we messed up. I actually agree with you but...yeah ^-^;

[UncertainKitten]

Messed up on what?

Moved too quickly. We'll still probably win, but we made it harder than we needed to :S.

[UncertainKitten]

Activate Requiem of facepalm

Well, you have a very bloodthirsty mafia player and another mafia player with ADHD (just kidding malt ) with lots of really cool powers. What do you THINK will happen?

[UncertainKitten]

So what council action did you do? There not much point in being secretive about it.

I'll leave that up to malt to reveal.

That my pleas for a little bit of waiting would be ignored. I posted wait how many times? Seriously.

Yeah I know ^-^;

Umu...sorry

I am a great strategist. You trust me. But you do not let me do the planning.

Hai hai, we'll be good!

[UncertainKitten]

Before anyone complains, thank me for preventing FL from being retarded and condemning Zwet.

Yeah ^-^; I...uh...kinda wasn't paying attention!

HOWEVER! Thank me for preventing malt from being retarded and force lynching zwet...thinking it was an extra lynch for town :S.

(I can imagine you all are facepalming horrendously right now)

[UncertainKitten]

How nice of you, Starbuck.

[UncertainKitten]

Quick lynch is bad... You didn't even waited for me to join the wagon...

Which wagon? To be fair zwet was "mystery" hammered by

Starbuck

a mysterious force that we all are totally afraid of and don't at all know who it is.

[UncertainKitten]

Huh. Damn, didn't quite make it to endgame. Curse you Starbuck!

Glad it ended well, that was a rather precarious situation. We should have just directly condemned Starbuck but we realized it too late :S.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, that was...complex. But a fun game overall. I love how close it was. Sorry outside of coming off as protown I was basically useless and pretty much threw the game into more peril than was necessary :S.

So, mod notes ^-^?

Coming. - Tar

[UncertainKitten]

I'm sorry about pushing the condemn, btw, by not reading my ultimate properly. Forgive me, Dram ^-^?

[UncertainKitten]

Actually, I had requiem of the oldest order, so I could have won even after being lynched if not for malthusis.

I know. <3 malt SO much for this game.

[UncertainKitten]

I love how my reflect basically caused Starbuck to kill Bogre .

Actually, I had a few accurate reflects, didn't I?

[UncertainKitten]

Oh! Thanks for the vig Reckoner! I enjoyed it immensely.

[UncertainKitten]

Outsiders actually were a pretty cool idea. I may have to steal it from Tar sometime.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh yes, MS 4.

Why do I do this to myself?

/pre-in MS 4.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh yes, MS 4.

Why do I do this to myself?

/pre-in MS 4.

This, unless I con Tar into letting me co-mod.

Hmm...actually, if it's a Large Theme I might want to consider trying this .

[UncertainKitten]

This was a great game, and I felt I did very good in it. This definitly taught me one thing: Playing vigs are fun Very Happy

Oh, that is obvious. Why do you think I enjoy having a dayvig so much. Of course, Tar never fixes my role .

[UncertainKitten]

@UK: Once you said who you had gotten your dayvig from I had resolved to continue giving them to you once I had reck's role (after killing Socio with reck's super ability because he had been seriously reminding me of Choose Carefully).

Aww, thanks ^-^. Glad someone trusts me with bullets .

[UncertainKitten]

Is that why you killed me Starbuck ?

[UncertainKitten]

No, our goal was to take out the high council. As I said, you should have died and not dramonic.

Oh, I meant the endgame kill ^-^

[UncertainKitten]

To be fair, Starbuck was doing her job wasting our actions (the investigate on me). I just thought it'd be nice to be cleared (though malt apparently had me cleared D1). Condemning Snow Bunny was indeed stupid, sorry I pushed for it. To be fair, we didn't investigate you, dramonic did on his own. We weren't aware of the D0 decree or we would have told you all about it...um...somehow. But yeah, there were a couple stupid actions taken, and I'm glad it didn't end up worse than it did.

[UncertainKitten]

I never believe investigation results in Tar games. Sorry, Sajin.

That's pretty sage advice, actually .

But, for the MOST part they are accurate, just...not ALWAYS .