Legacy of the Ancients Mafia (That's All, Folks!)

[Sajin]

That is one long list of flavor.

Vote: Mufasa

[Sajin]

I lurk as:
* Vanilla Townie,
* Mafia Goon
* Mafia power-role
* Town Power-role.

Live with it.

I lynch lurkers as:
* Vanilla Townie,
* Mafia Goon
* Mafia power-role
* Town Power-role.

Live with it.

Live with it.

*lives with it*

No actually, don't live with it:

Unvote; Vote: Maemuki

Lurkers lower the enjoyment for everyone. Also they are hard to read. Are you trying to be hard to read? Why the heck are you telling us now your going to lurk? Is this supposed to be an excuse you can point to later when you get pressure?

[Sajin]

True Maemuki, but its not necessarily the same thing. SSK wants to be lynched for what he is implying are pro-town reasons on day 0, and xyl makes an excellent point. He is either lying or telling the truth and either way it is good for the town to find out, and since SSK feels that whatever his power is should be activated today why not?

Because it's stupid? And why do you think that his power is pro-town?

So... you're saying that if he's not pro-town, we shouldn't lynch him?

I like this logic. If he is town and wants to be lynched then he probably has a pro town reason to do it.

If he is scum then we should be lynching him anyways.

While I would not mind some amount of reasoning from SSK (a PM quote would be great), I am willing to go forward with it.

Unvote; Vote: SSK

Maemuki- why are you playing so different from your earlier proclaimed meta?

[Sajin]

Maemuki- why are you playing so different from your earlier proclaimed meta?

*shrugs*
That's the meta that Starbuck saw me play as, just that.

Wait! I want to see a SSK post before we lynch him.

You better post, SSK.

And now that Battle mafia has finished I can point to you for lurking as town there too.

So are you trying to change your meta?

[Sajin]

Meh.

Let's not lynch zwet anymore. But I refuse to vote SSK, as I refuse to be a part of a lynch on something that could potentially blow me the fuck up. Instead?

Vote: Slicey

This post sounds incredibly anti town.

[Sajin]

Lynching Zwett seems bad to do right now.

Lynching SSK still has merits.

Vote: SSK

[Sajin]

Okay, couple of things.

Before we go and lynch SSK, I'd just like to note that I know 100% that The Outsiders, and therefore reck are indeed protown.

Also, I need someone to unvote because I have to be voting for SSK. The Zwet can go hammer, but I need to be on the SSK wagon.

Are you claiming outsider?

[Sajin]

As far as I can tell Ancient and something else CAN possibly stack.

Basically this.

Let Snow Bunny stay. Someone else unvote.

Answer my question. Then we will see if this wagon has room.

[Sajin]

Sajin, I cannot answer your question.

Fine.

unvote

[Sajin]

SSK, is it alright if you're simply killed instead, or do you have to be lynched?

I can be killed.

Then that makes more sense. A LOT more sense considering your going to be sane cop investigated evidently.

[Sajin]

Wrong.

vote: dramonic

Don't worry, if you flip town we'll lynch him next. Either way, we lynch scum. Unless dramonic gets screwed results.

True, but I have to try. Lynching me would be bad.

If your town, I will take a role PM. If your anti town I will take a role PM. Care to grace us with your win condition?

[Sajin]

Amazing, how the minute someone posts something about him, he shows up!

FOS: Animo

Yea. I know. Lucky, huh?

Either way, I don't really have much to say as of yet. Will get back with something when I see someone do something scummy.

Absolute fail.... Are you mafia or 3rd party?

I would like your comments on the entire playerbase now. Until then

Vote: Animorpherv

[Sajin]

As far as my claim, I can only die under certain circumstances. DragonsofSummer is one of the people who are capable of hammering me. The rest are already on my wagon.

We can test this. Someone other than DragonsofSummer please hammer.

Bad idea. Does it waste the lynch?

[Sajin]

Yeah... but that doesn't mean it is the person who hammers. You do what you wish, but it is a fool move for town, even if DragonsofSummer hammers.

Ok. I will bite: What about dragonsofsummer makes your lynch function change?

[Sajin]

I believe that XYL claimed it would'nt take place till the end of day two, something like last day to live or something.

No, by flavor I assume Budja blocked the vigilante kill and then killed Malth.

Malth probably was aiming at Xyl independantly of FL's vig kill. Which was probably blocked too. But then why is FL not dead then as well? Can xyl or FL confirm something on this regard?

Now the chain reaction stuff I have no idea on. What the hell is that about?

[Sajin]

Dang- I went to a party last night and I missed the party in the thread. Sheesh.

@Starbuck- Why are you in Mufasa's face? I think your just throwing mud to try and discredit here. Could it not be just as likely from my perspective that you were trying to protect Sociopath?

@Animorpherv- Jester speculation? Lyncher speculation? Why did you think this? Please explain.

[Sajin]

I support outing the list of council members.

I also support claiming what the effect of being in the council does.

[Sajin]

I will go out on a limb and guess Reckoner and DragonsofSummer were council.

Malthusis was council and, Kise or Boxman maybe?

Reguardless that sounds like a pimp mechanic.

I would still like the whole list of people in it but I understand if you want to withold that. I think it needs to be posted tomorrow though on the double day.


Is Mufasa in the council?

[Sajin]

whoot = obvious Mufasa alt

Doubt it. They are in too many other games together.

Woot I noticed you signed up as a replacement yet you are not on the list....

Can you vote?

[Sajin]

On the other hand whoot and Mufasa are playing together in StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare, and in Big Brother Mafia.

The only game whoot has played in that Mufasa wasn't playing in was MTG: Parallel Universe Mafia (SSK subgame). However, Mufasa was playing in Tar's subgame.

This is something to worry about elsewhere, I think.

I was going to point that out. That is why I doubt alts.

So now what do you think about woot?

[Sajin]

On the other hand whoot and Mufasa are playing together in StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare, and in Big Brother Mafia.

The only game whoot has played in that Mufasa wasn't playing in was MTG: Parallel Universe Mafia (SSK subgame). However, Mufasa was playing in Tar's subgame.

This is something to worry about elsewhere, I think.

I was going to point that out. That is why I doubt alts.

Actually Mufasa/whoot1234 just got banned for cheating.

Wow.

And here I was thinking it was another of Tar's invisible people tricks.

[Sajin]

vote: Maemuki

Any reason?

[Sajin]

And what do you think about the only death being a scum death?

Also what do you think about Mufasa flipping Neighborhood Watchman?

[Sajin]

FL, who are the remaining council members?

Please.

[Sajin]

Also, was Bogre in the council?

[Sajin]

Fine then FL you won't give me my answers. I said it was important 1000 times. Last chance before I say something that may have better been left unsaid.

This cannot wait.

@Maemuki- Post your role PM. Your claimed paraphrase is so convoluded.

[Sajin]

(Sorry, family stuff yesterday.)

No, what likely happened is that the scum targeted dramonic for a kill and the jailkeep blocked it.

Maemuki is likely town actually. I think its a poor choic of vig because its confirmable.

I would like pressure on Zwet and Seraphim.

A vig on Zwet sounds really nice at this point.


So you know I am ancient. I can confirm that. (figures dramonic would target me, heh)

Dramonic you were obvious council as soon as DoS died you know....Starbuck is the one I did not guess.

But you suspect Starbuck?

I would have Starbuck claim in the thread if the other 2 council agree to it.


Also how many measures may the council pass today? 1 or 2?

[Sajin]

I already claimed. I had to because I'm the Ancient Double Voter.

Can I see a role PM? (make sure you leave QT out of it)

Its important.

[Sajin]

@FL- I missed your question because you hid it in a quote from me, but can it wait till after Starbuck's role PM is posted?

I promise an answer then. Sorry I have been asking one sided questions all game.

[Sajin]

Starbuck please tell me how the tracking/watching systems of this station saw you visit the dead scum yesterday. You have no action that I should of been able to see you do in that role PM. The high council enacted double day so you should not have been able to do anything with council abilities.

Do you have an explanation? Does the council? Does anyone else? (I was considering not doing this in case I was outing power. But I will sure as hell claim to out this) My only problem was it showed her visiting dead scum. But with no council verdict(double day) and a dead vig(Malth) and a day vig (likely not shadow)? I have been scratching my head since I got the results. Now I will place my bet on 3rd party.

I am The Captain, Ancient Neighborhood Watchman-Mufasa's neighbor partner (we are/were based on Tweedledum and Tweedledee of MS3). Yes I have his results. Although it was MY results that caught sociopath. I coached him endlessly to try and appear as protown as possible. I am also the one whose abilities were slightly changed because of the modkill (not sure how much I am allowed to go into this).


(going back to work will see this thread when I get off work)

[Sajin]

1: The day vig rushed their shot. Mufasa attacked Mae based on Mae's scummy reaction to him claiming his information. It was solely based on that and not tracker or watcher information. I was trying to stop the vig kill today, mufasa was not careful with his attacks after he was confirmed by the day vig. I told him that he needed to lead and that Mae and starbuck seemed the most scummy to me at the time. His initiative was his own. I knew Maemuki and starbuck were not the dayvig because they attacked mufasa's claim of having information on Sociopath just before Sociopath was shot so I did not discourage it at the time.

I was trying to stop the shot today especially after I saw Maemuki's claim because it was verifiable. Damn you dayvig. I called your shot yesterday (although you did not know it was me). Why did you not wait? Damn the modkill that messed up my strategy. For that I apologize. I was trying to rush my getting starbuck to claim but I did not do it fast enough.

2: n1
Sociopath was targeted by deathnote (alive at the time he submitted his ability, this was the day he was lynched). Watch results. (as we now know scum to scum. But at the time it was scum to unknown and looked funny, I actually assume this was a 2x action/motivate of some sort)
Sociopath targeted FL, DoS, DoS, Boxman. Track results. (all council? 2 dead? A double target? What kind of ability would town have that did this? Was I sure? no. Highly suspicious? Absolutely)

I have interesting results from day 0 as well. But I want seraphim and Zwett to full claim before I post those.

3:
Starbuck targeted Bogre yesterday. (Either during the day or twilight)

@FL:

All those questions mufasa was asking you yesterday? I was the one asking all of those. I love daytalking masons (with power!).

Confirmed to the other he was town but a hint of might be shadow I suppose. Best way to explain this is with a role PM:

If I do nothing else, I WILL protect my people.

Welcome to Legacy of the Ancients Mafia,

Sajin

. You are

The Captain

, the military officer in command of this outpost. The Shadow infiltration, should it exist, is a military matter of the top priority, and with the help of your subordinate and close friend (and lover?)

The First Officer

you're going to drive them out.

Race:

Ancient

Faction:

Ancient

You are an

Ancient Neighborhood Watchman

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Mason

- You are a Mason with

Mufasa

(

The First Officer, Townie Neighborhood Watchman

). You may communicate with your mason partner at any time using this QuickTopic. You know that

The First Officer

is Ancient aligned; however, you can't be sure that your partner is, in fact,

The First Officer

(the Shadows have been known to murder and impersonate Ancient officials before).

Active Abilities:

Track

- Each day, you may use the outpost's security network target a player. You will learn how many living players and dead players that player targeted that day

(these figures will be provided separately)

. If

The First Officer

also targeted that player, you will also learn the names of each player (living and dead) that player targeted.

Ultimate:

deleted

Win Condition (Ancient):

You win when all other factions have left the game, or nothing can prevent the same. Your faction counts as a faction when calculating the standard factional win condition.

(The Ancients have the standard factional win condition.)

Please confirm via return PM.

So, basically after 1 day of actions I could be reasonably sure that my partner was the first officer (because I got the extra track results and he had the extra watch results). And my role PM stated that I knew the first officer was Ancient aligned.

If that was not enough Mufasa's ultimate made sense on 2x town (paraphrased, I do not think I am allowed to copy verbatim from our QT):

If any members of the Neighborhood watch are killed the day this ability is used, the killer(s) of him/them will commit suicide: protections will not be able to prevent this effect. You will lose your watch ability.

(Again please note that my abilities were changed after the modkill to maintain game state and to remove a contradiction in the rules and my role, and the role should of won so Tar changed it to get around it)


I doubt mufasa would of called out sociopath like he did in the thread without my guidance. He did that under my coaching. Go read him in other games and see if he would of done that if you do not believe me.

PS: Can we not post flavor results please? I will assume that is paraphrased as it should be. I receive flavored results as well but I will not be posting them. I think we are allowed to quote role PMs but not flavor PMs. Just an advisory to everyone.(maybe postgame, they are pretty cool sounding)

PSS: Thats a lot of information to absorb. If I missed any questions, let me know.

[Sajin]

I want Zwett and Seraphim to full claim. Lets go.

Seraphim is prod-able Tuesday night (Wednesday morning at 1:50ish). I will be requesting a prod at that time.

[Sajin]

Well, I don't mind telling you about my abilities, but I won't on a single person request. And, well, I guess that explains why I wasn't informed.

I don't want yours. Just Zwett's and Seraphim's.


Zwet is that a refusal? On what basis are you refusing?

[Sajin]

I think I may post my Ultimates. That way I may actually get killed this night. Of course, if anyone is aginst it, say now.

I think it was anti town to say you wanted to be killed.

1- Your probably not the dayvig, yay for claiming non power! (and just in case this is not the case don't correct me)

2- Thats the worst possible way to get nightkilled. Your best bet was to appear as protown as possible. You lurked most of day 1. Explain that to me.

Then again I am talking to the guy who claimed survivor in another game... and remember what I did?

Personally I was really wanting to lynch you yesterday since you said that. But hey. If your ultimate is that awesome then maybe the council can pass judgement.

To summarize, I don't think it could possibly hurt to post your ultimate.

[Sajin]

If that's all ani's ultimate is, then there's no point in wasting a kill on him if all he's going to do is what he can already do while he's alive.

I agree. Assuming its the truth. And I think it is.

You proved me wrong, Ani. It could hurt. ><. Your playing your role wrong if it is true.

Waiting for Seraphim.

And Zwet. Zwet are you refusing to claim?

[Sajin]

Trumpet of Doom- I am requesting your claim.

You can post your whole role PM (don't include QTs!)

If you do not do so, I will implore the council to summarily pass judgment with a speedy trial.

[Sajin]

Any particular reason why, or just because Seraphim vanished from the face of the Earth?

My reason will be posted after you claim.

Although I will admit it has been assisted from a vanishing Seraphim.

[Sajin]

Extremely likely town. Hello subordinate officer! Thank you for keeping my sentinels running.

And go figure Seraphim would target FL and Kairyuu.

(although I assume you are quoting mod communication there, thats a no no usually. I really hope your not penalized for this)

The higher-ups may be officially in charge of this station, but you're the guy that keeps it safe. You're the guy that knows how the security measures really work.

Of course, that means your head is DEFINITELY on the line should you fail here...

Your head was on the line by me, your superior officer. I find this extremely humorous. And the fact that Tar put flavor in that insinuated (captain and first officer) my existence in your role PM. (I can confirm 1 of your targets)

You can put in 2 observers in for today. My suggestions would be zwett and animorpherv but please make your own choices. Starbuck would rate higher than these but I think that should be the lynch for today.


Need Zwett to claim to see if the council needs to pass judgment there.

Starbuck is still the best lynch for today.

[Sajin]

There is absolutely no reason on earth for me to claim. I don't see the logic behind this insane succession of claims.

Waiting on you Zwet.


Hey I thought you liked living past day 0. I am trying to get you to live a little longer, but your making it difficult for me.

[Sajin]

zwet, a more-or-less-confirmed player is claiming what I suspect to be rolebased info of some sort about you. There is absolutely no reason for you not to claim.

UK, what does Reflect do, and why did you use it on Kairyuu N0?

Mae apparently can't read the role PM she posted in thread. What I see is that dramonic won't die if we lynch Mae, and unless she targets him again today, he won't die if she's NK'd. (Speaking of Mae's PM, I agree with Xyl about the typo.)

ani's probably one of the scummiest players in the game. The big things I can think of are his not-posting for the first 20+ pages, then not seeing anything particularly incriminating about DeathNote, and I'd be willing to bet there are other reasons I should have a scum read on him. The new bit on his claim is probably null, IMO.

People I would be willing to vote right now include, but are not necessarily limited to, Mae and ani. zwet and UK may fall into this category as well, depending on what they do or don't claim.

FL/UK was targeted by a shadow redirecter as tracked by me. So if you do believe me, I would assume she is NOT shadow.

Starbuck I have tracked to Bogre. Starbuck has claimed NO ACTIVE ABILITIES.


Considering how much Starbuck jumped on Mufasa as soon as he claimed my information the previous day, I had thought Starbuck to be shadow before today. Now I think 3rd party.

So believe me I have much stronger information on Starbuck then I could have on Zwett. I mostly want him to claim so I can post all my information for everyone else to see in case I am killed off tonight.

[Sajin]

Where I have I claimed no active abilities?

My active ability is double-voting. You said you tracked me. What are the chances that it showed that he visited me and not the other way around?

The point is that I should not have tracked you anywhere. But hey-

With a heavy heart for what Mufasa had done and joy in the understanding of the Ascended, you sit down to do the job you used to do together.

You set the Sentinel to watch Starbuck, then grab a quick bite and settle in for the long haul.

Hmm... the system shows Starbuck leaving the Atrium, then going... hmm. You're not entirely sure where he went... you see flashes of what looks like Starbuck on several of the screens... one that appears to be in the personnel quarters - no wait, that's a fluke... then...

Huh? What is this guy doing in such a remote part of the underbelly?

Wait, isn't that were Bogre was found?

Your target targeted Bogre (dead). Bogre was alive at the time that your target targeted him.

So no, my results are you targeted him not the other way around. The only possible out you have is me getting redirected to someone else who targeted Bogre. But, I do not think this is very likely at all seeing the other redirector tracked to all council. If someone town had claimed a vig kill things may look different in my eyes. Without that, I will be condeming you.


@FL/UK- I do not need protection. You should protect the dayvig in my opinion. And kill one of Zwett/Animorpherv/Maemuki. Also, please send starbuck to do it in case anyone has suprises they are nopt mentioning. Starbuck, if she is indeed town should have no problems with that.

@Zwett- Am I scum? I am the one asking you to claim. Your refusal will lose us the game in my opinion. On what basis are you refusing? Also do you understand why my information strongly suggests FL/UK is not shadow?

[Sajin]

@FL/UK- I do not need protection. You should protect the dayvig in my opinion. And kill one of Zwett/Animorpherv/Maemuki. Also, please send starbuck to do it in case anyone has suprises they are nopt mentioning. Starbuck, if she is indeed town should have no problems with that.

As I said, we are deliberating on who to kill and stuff. As for protection, I won't reveal who's been protected, though I guess somewhere along the line it was obvious I'm a protective role.

You have your council protection too. And 2 verdicts.

[Sajin]

We have an investigate left and I have nothing against being investigated.

Why the hell would the council use an investigation up in this case?

I have been investigated innocent by the council. I have a tracker report that contradicts your claim. The only reason I have not voted you yet is because the council needs you to vote on council resolutions first.

Not to mention that Tar likes to make powerful Serial Killers. Investigation immune that can use double votes to control additional council kills and protections? That would be right up his alley.

I am now incredibly curious as to what starbuck has been advocating for council to do with their actions.

Starbuck, let me know in your next post if you are going to filibuster a protection on the dayvig as well as an investigation or kill on Zwett or you have voted to pass those.

[Sajin]

I have been investigated innocent by the council.

This is incorrect. I don't know where this came from, but we HAVE NOT used an investigate on you.

Starbuck, let me know in your next post if you are going to filibuster a protection on the dayvig as well as an investigation or kill on Zwett or you have voted to pass those.

I haven't voted on any of those.

I have agreed pretty much with everything that the council has done except for what has been going on as of late. There's a chance we may lose dramonic by doing a certain action. FL and dramonic want me to vote for this action, and even though it is assured to me that dramonic will survive, I really do not want to take the chance.

Dramonic said he investigated me as Ancient. I thought that was general council, but whatever. Point still stands that it would be a waste.

Although unlike dramonic and FL/UK, I read Maemuki's ability as different. Her ultimate would only apply to who she was protecting TODAY if anyone, not YESTERDAY. Therefore unless she had submitted a roleblock on dramonic for TODAY, he could die.

@Council- I thought we were sending starbuck on the missions of possible no return. Can we do that please? Or will they not resolve if she is lynched? (I think they would).

[Sajin]

Also, FL, you are saying that Sajin appears to be Ancient, but he's trying to say that he's confirmed and I'm not comfortable with that when he is not.

Fine, I am ancient as investigated by Dramonic. I was the informational gatherer and the guy coaching Mufasa on how to call Sociopath out as scum (which you also wanted to throw mud all over and make everyone doubt Mufasa too, which is the reason I tracked you).

Additionally, you were so quick to vote Xyl out based pretty much on the same investigation source. So why is it different now? Are you only trusting your informational source when its beneficial to you?

So if it was not for dramonic's report, would you have voted xyl off?

One more thing, I'm not immune to investigations. It seems that Mae blocked anything that dramonic was supposed to do that night.

That has no relevance to her ultimate.


Explain my trackings then. So far you have said maybe I read it wrong or maybe you were redirected. Both of those were silly arguments.

FL- Sociopath targeted you day 0 and day 1. Day 1 the targets were him targeting FL, DoS, DoS, Boxman. I have not posted all the day 0 results yet.


@Animorpherv go read my tracking report and tell me what you think about it. Because it sounds to me like you have not read it.

Also yes there are 3 council. Duh.

[Sajin]

@Sajin: So, your reprimanding Starbuck for visiting Bogre, when you say she claimed No Active Abiliites? I see logic thar, but not very strong, especially after what she posted after.

And what did she post after that makes the logic not strong then?

[Sajin]

Day 2 and targeted Starbuck (as incredibly obvious in my results quote).

[Sajin]

The point is that I should not have tracked you anywhere. But hey-

This makes me think that you didn't target Starbuck originally.

If what Starbuck claimed was true (no active abilities) then I should not have received a result of her visiting someone. But I did. So something fishy is going on and I called starbuck out on it.

[Sajin]

idk if my role has anything to do with this or not anymore.

Answer my question with yes or no please. Either when you sent the PM, you sent to track Starbuck, or you sent to track someone else.

.............

Yes. Day 2. Starbuck. (this is the 3rd time I have posted this)

Now I want to see your full role. With a claimed tracker in the thread yesterday that was fairly obvious not shadow why did you NOT say you could be screwing things up earlier?

[Sajin]

Ok so...actions please.

[Sajin]

If you wanna know more, I remember targeting Starbuck and myself, but had no idea when I sent it in. That's why I'm awaiting mod confirmations.

1-With the way that ability reads, the only way it would affect me is if you targeted me. Did you?

2- If you redirected starbuck, I should still not have seen her visiting.

[Sajin]

I remmebr once I targeted Xyl and myself, and another Starbuck and myself.

I didn't send in the other 2(?) nights, that I see.

There has been 3 action periods. Day 0 Day 1 and Day 2.

Day 3 has no informational results yet. Additionally, you can send in 2 actions for today.

[Sajin]

Btw I just want to point out that snowbunny is very likely Slicey's mason outsider partner. The things she has said (I want to lynch shadow) match what Slicey said. And his role presumably would have a mason partner.

Just saying (and I still want to see that win condition)

[Sajin]

Also animorpherv, I want to see a list of all your actions in order for each day. If your town you should have no problem submitting this.

[Sajin]

Btw I just want to point out that snowbunny is very likely Slicey's mason outsider partner. The things she has said (I want to lynch shadow) match what Slicey said. And his role presumably would have a mason partner.

Just saying (and I still want to see that win condition)

Rolefishing. Nice. However, ani is scummier. But don't worry, I have my eyes on you.

Vote:ani

I still think the Ultimate claim is strange, and thus all his role pm could be fake. His claim contradictions doesn't help him either.

Its scum fishing. I am asking for a win condition.

Besides all but 2-3 people have claimed or softclaimed in the thread. Its essentially mass claim. Tell me why its scummy to ask for a claim against a likely 3rd party person?

Should I assume your non ancient then? Or are you claiming ancient? Inquiring minds want to know. I mostly want your claim so that we do not waste dramonics investigation on you if your going to be claiming outsider. Thanks.

[Sajin]

Also animorpherv, I want to see a list of all your actions in order for each day. If your town you should have no problem submitting this.

Waiting on you sir.

[Sajin]

and redirected them to who?

and night 2? and night 3?

[Sajin]

Well those FoSes are weird. Hmm.

Fos: Starbuck

Fos: Zwett

I am just curious if I can have more than one.

I would rather lynch starbuck or zwett today. Trumpet would probably be 3rd choice actually. He is role confirmed but not alignment confirmed.

Also vaya is likely an outsider.

And no vaya I did not think snowbunny was scum or I would of been pursuing it today. I figured she was an outsider and she was dancing around the issue (and now I know why). That was goading me onward. Tar must have been laughing.

[Sajin]

I do not really feel like hammering this do to previous bad things. Animorpherv do you mind self hammering?

[Sajin]

Vote: animorpherv

[Sajin]

ToD is being falsely confirmed here. Role confirmed, not alignment confirmed.

I support a ToD vig and a zwet or starbuck lynch. Preferably starbuck.

Malthusis, I your captain have brought you back to duty. Please be my envoy to the council, Grey Lady. Tell them that the station was having some technical difficulties and shall be fit for council meetings shortly.

@UK- I said Mae was likely town when I saw the roleclaim.


Whichever of Zwet and Starbuck is not todays lynch should be the investigation target.

[Sajin]

Excellent.

I will wait until Vaya is here. She may want to be voting.

[Sajin]

And I got pre posted.

That should be a hammer by my count. In case it is not:

Vote: Starbuck

We should of done this yesterday btw.

[Sajin]

BTW- Snowbunny did not visit anywhere last night (I submitted this before I even claimed along with Requiem of Rebirth in case I was going to be daykilled).

[Sajin]

The conclusion is indeed obvious (and I called the investigation immunity although I was thinking 3rd party)

Vote: Zwet

I motion for a council investigation on vaya and or global roleblock. I do not think either are needed though, but for safety sake.

You really think the outsiders are blocking a win con?

[Sajin]

We are going to Force-Lynch zwet via decree, so if that doesn't work, we should go ahead and lynch the outsiders...

Thats fine by me. I just tend to think his kill immunity soft claim would likely be partially true. So lynch sounds good. I forgot about that I was thinking only condemn left.

I do not have any more information, I gave up my leet track skillz to bring back my envoy of the council.

unvote

pending council action.

[Sajin]

And outsiders, I assume you may get points if your voting zwet before the force lynch occurs. I suggest you hop on quick.

[Sajin]

I really wish you would include me on your conversations. My awesome quicktopic is now dead.


(Zwet needs to perish and the game should likely end, if not then vaya then snow....but I doubt it will come to that...not sure why you need clarification on anything, but ok)

[Sajin]

Not Voting (8)

What's this Tar?

I get it!

There's no way Starbuck should have been able to kill last night if she was dead. We need to lynch her, I guess

Vote Starbuck

No, actions submitted still go through even if your dead. Xreckonerx who gave his vig to FL night 0 happened even though he was DAYKILLED.

Please TALK to me before you rush and do things.

[Sajin]

Yeah...no need to rush malt. We have the game mostly locked.

I think it was a mod error. but I'm waiting for confirmation.

No. If starbuck did a factional mafia kill it would show up as her kill method. There could still be another mafia faction (Zwet) around.

[Sajin]

Do not condemn zwet. He claimed nightkill resistance. Do not do it.

Lynch him.


Dammit talk to me, don't do council actions without my input please.

[Sajin]

FL, if zwet lynch does not end the game, and a heartstop kill shows up again then we can lynch Starbuck.

Today we should lynch zwet.

No force lynch tricks on the GY yet please.

[Sajin]

I'm a simple bulletproof townie. As of now I have 6 kill immunity counters.

I asked for your role PM a long time ago.


6 counters you say?


That approximately corresponds with the number of people removed from the graveyard during twilight phases (its a little more but the bomb/chain reaction thing did some I think?). Interesting.

[Sajin]

We can't let them Starbuck get free. I believe she still is alive, and she'll just kill me off next night. You said you blocked zwet, so let's lynch Starbuck and use Global Roleblock to prevent everything.

Vote Starbuck

Bad logic.

Vote Zwet please.

If someone is killed then we can still lynch the graveyard.

Vote Zwet

[Sajin]

Messed up on what?

Moved too quickly. We'll still probably win, but we made it harder than we needed to :S.

Activate Requiem of facepalm

[Sajin]

Activate Requiem of facepalm

Well, you have a very bloodthirsty mafia player and another mafia player with ADHD (just kidding malt ) with lots of really cool powers. What do you THINK will happen?

That my pleas for a little bit of waiting would be ignored. I posted wait how many times? Seriously.

I am a great strategist. You trust me. But you do not let me do the planning.

So what council action did you do? There not much point in being secretive about it.

[Sajin]

I wanna know who targetted me?

And how can I improve my play?

Starbuck probably did. Also your ability was best not claimed. Should of claimed redirector.

Also you wanting to be lynched was horrible. You were less effective in the graveyard, not moreso.

But you were not as bad as zwet. Zwet you had a suicide bomb. You could of used that! I ASKED FOR A ROLE PM!

[Sajin]

Also I did not know council had a roleblock. That should of obviously been used too ><

[Sajin]

Random thoughts about the game:

/pre-in MS4

I was going to use my suicide bomb if I hadn't been lynched so quickly...

You should of claimed that zwet. There was no reason not to.

Then you could of suicide bombed starbuck ending the game you know.
I asked for your claim. I was investigated ancient. Why did you do nothing?


@Tar- The captain and first officer considered ourselves confirmed because of our ultimates. Those did not make sense on scum masons.

If mufasa was not modkilled then a kill on him, my claim and a resurection on us both would of been hysterical. Followed by a suicide (which could of even nailed starbuck from my understanding). How many scum would this have potentially wiped out? A lot. (side note, if they commited suicide, would Starbucks ability have redirected it?)


I did not understand my tracking result on starbuck to bogre at all. But... I KNEW there was shadow on the council. (BTW, I think I could of figured this out if FL had claimed the reflect on me, with the lack of deaths on a double day, it should of made sense at least some were stopped)

There is no way deathnote knew the team and sociopath randomly redirected 3 council people. I would of said starbuck was shadow but I tracked her killing shadow.....now I find this extremely humorous.


Animorpherv please work on your play. You were less effective in the graveyard not more so. You should of had no incentive to want to be lynched. Also, town redirectors should almost always redirect someone back to its origin. In that way, it causes confirms and kill preventions and not confusion.


Malthusis did not post anything about his charge counter thing so I could not confirm zwets claim of the same thing.

I thought vaya was the dayvig for most of the game. Xyl did not cross my mind. Only when xyl died did I start to realize. Even then...



I was frustrated at the council wasting actions. I was investigated ancient and had 2 millers to confound my skill so I should of been considered town. FL was targeted by shadow redirection and so should of been obvious town. I said this over and over. The only useful action council took was the double day. Condemn on a target wanting to die? Not useful. Investigate on a already semi cleared target? not useful. A condemn on someone who was insignificant to the town win con? not useful. I really loved this inner circle mechanic though. Everyone wanted control of the council.

Additionally looking at those decrees should of made it obvious someone who wanted to flip investigations could gain control of the council.

Btw how did I get so many clear tracks off? Redirections, millers, roleblocker, require my partner on the target, etc etc. A miracle. Shadows were too occupied with making the council distrust each other.

(And Tar I would of considered it unethical to claim that the results to mufasa and I were swapped and doubly confirmed us as town to each other. I did not need the confirmed results error.)