Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game Over!

[Gorrad]

"A scattered dream that's like a far-off memory. A far-off memory that's
like a scattered dream. I want to line the pieces up..."


I have lost my memories. I am stuck between the light and the darkness. Can any of you help me? Plum, what say you? Gorrad? Surely, you can help me?

Help you? Sounds like an ADVENTURE! : D Count me in.

Mates, I'd bet on this post being just a piece of flavor fluff. I suppose it's possible not to be. But frankly? I don't see the mod or a player mentioning me by name with a purpose before I even make a post.

[Gorrad]

Analyzing flavor is foolishness.

vote: DTMaster

To quote Franziska von Karma: "Foolishness is to be whipped."

[Gorrad]

I've given it thought. However, I'm not going to say if it actually does relate.

Vote: DisCode

for rolefishing.

[Gorrad]

Asking us to think about it is tantamount to asking for our thoughts.

[Gorrad]

The other 26 of you should be fighting the darkness, not figuring out who I am from among you.

Now, I may just be a simple country Hyper-Chicken, but this seems like a dead givaway that it's a player.

However, the player obviously's full of BS. Otherwise they'd A) Say who they were B) Not have the information that they're claiming to have (DisCode's heart being weak on light, etc.).

So for now? We ignore. When we find the person on the end of the 'microphone', we look at the posts then and only then.

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Whoever has a no vote should keep silent for the moment. Voteless folks are often town, as a way to justify a large number of power roles. By speaking you're basically outing yourself as nigh-confirmed on D1 with no benefit.

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HoS: Shotty to the Body

. 83 looks like bandwagoning scum. Bandwagoning for the sake of doing so is only not scummy in the RVS.

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Ray, I feel you're reading too much into this. It seems rather contrived to have anyone think that much into it. It read to me like Cobalt simply misunderstood what Dis was saying.

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Joe's 101 may be a good point, however, I believe the voteless to be town, while the voice is (as stated earlier) quite full of it.

[Gorrad]

Please point me to where RVS ended

Post 46. The first non-random vote. From that point on, all should follow suit.

[Gorrad]

Dancing around the issues, Sir Chris? This ought to be good. You know the rules: Make an accusation, back it up with evidence or testimony.

Shotty, I noticed you still have not removed your Cobalt vote. Why not? The RVS is over. Please provide your reason for staying on the bandwagon.

Reckoner, I see where you're coming from, but honestly? They mostly seem like nulltells to me. Scummy only by lack of content. Do you honestly believe him to be worse than DisCode's rolefishing? What is your opinion on DisCode?

Speaking of DisCode. Your admitting to that very negative flavor deeply disturbs me. Not only because Hayker has a very valid point regarding heart loss, but also because I honestly cannot see how a connection to such a chilling flavor could POSSIBLY be protown. Not to mention the fact that you basically just claimed PR on page bleedin' 5 with no pressure to do so! Either you caused it, in which case you're a PR, or you were the target. And if you're the target, dollars to donuts you're not vanilla right now. So you are either A) Scum or B) A town PR (in which case the scum would know and likely NK you tonight). Either way, I want a fullclaim.

[Gorrad]

49/53. I've mentioned it several times before.

And I disagree completely. D1 is the only time being non-committal is excusable. You have almost nothing to go on, so you have little on which to base your opinions.

[Gorrad]

Aha! I dig. The voice is simply insanely PR'd. Ok. Possibly not full of it as I imagined. Certainly has a good stance on Dis.

-First of all, both should explain what the difference is between what I did regarding the first Voice post and what Shotty stated here about the first mod scene. Because to me, it's the same. Yet, both Gorrad and Hayker ignored it from Shotty, while voting me for it. Seems like fake scumhunting to me.
-As for Gorrad, he's the one who's really rolefishing. And the thing about not seeing how it could be possibly pro-town, but later stating that I could be a PR is bothering me a lot.

1) The difference is that you out and claimed that the mod scene had something to do with you, giving him reason.
2) I really do not think it can be pro-town. However, there is ALWAYS a chance. And if it, by some chance, IS town, it cannot be vanilla.

You claim you "Caused the Darkness to escape" and then became a miller? How could letting the darkness excape concievably be a good thing? Much less a good enough thing to justify your millerness. Fullclaim. Now.

[Gorrad]

Vaya: I know what you're thinking. You're thinking Riku. However: What Riku did at the beginning of the series was, in fact, a bad thing. An evil thing. And for a good while, he was on the side of evil. If there's a Maleficent in this game, there's not an insubstantial chance that Riku's teamed with her.

Long story short: Riku could be town or scum, but releasing the darkness, in the game, was a decidedly evil act.

Short story long: Anything by Dickens.

[Gorrad]

BTW, I should mention: the above post is operating under the assumption Dis is Riku for the sake of Vaya, who obviously believes that to be the case. I personally think it may be true, but do not assume as such.

[Gorrad]

"Simply concentrate on it with all your heart, and you need only say the word to summon an ally who will help in times of need."

!

COURAGE!

[Gorrad]

Who said ANYTHING about him being transformed into Ansem? Do you know something about this I do not? I'd be very interested in hearing why you think he transformed into Ansem.

Darkness may not be inherently evil, however, Riku sacrificed his home planet to gain power and travel. That /is/ evil.

[Gorrad]

Oooooh, good pickup. Alright. In that case, I call the fact that Ansem, in fact, POSSESSED his body and that's what happened. You're right. In the middle of KH1, Riku wasn't Ansem, but was evil. At the start of KH2, Riku was Ansem, but wasn't evil. However! At the END of KH2, Riku was /posessed/ by Ansem, and was very clearly evil.

[Gorrad]

WHOOPS! Typo. I meant end of KH1.

Ansem, in the games, only possessed Riku. That doesn't /necessarily/ mean he couldn't /conceivably/ possess others, but Riku's possession was the result of a long series of prerequisites.

[Gorrad]

Dear Disembodied Voice:

If you are driven up to L-1, does this mean you cannot claim your role on your main account?

[Gorrad]

I think they're a summon. Hence post 183.

[Gorrad]

I'll take over here if you don't mind. All this is from memory. It's 358/2 Days: The Important Parts version. I've cut out the few subplots like loss of the keyblade as they're frankly irrelevant.

In KH: 358/2 Days, Sora's still asleep! We follow Roxas, a member of the Organization XIII, a fellowship of Nobodies.

Nobody, Definition: When a Heartless is created, the shell of the person, if it has a strong enough will, will develop a mind of its own (creepy, huh)? And a Nobody is created. No hearts, no emotion, no feeling.

Anyways. Roxas is the Nobody of Sora, from when he releases his heart to revive Kairi. As such, he has a keyblade and is #13 in the Organization. The Organization's goal is to use Roxas to release the hearts of Heartless and create Kingdom Hearts, which will be formed by all the assembled released hearts. Occasionally, usually in KH2, this involves creating Heartless to be destroyed by Roxas (later Sora)

Organization members:
I. Xemnas, the Superior, power over Nothingness, uses Beam Swords
II. Xigbar, the Freeshooter, power over Space, uses Arrowguns
III. Xaldin, the Whirlwind Lancer, power over Air, uses Six Lances
IV. Vexen, the Chilly Academic, power over Ice, uses a Shield
V. Lexaeus, the Silent Hero, power over Earth, uses Twin Tomahawks
VI. Zexion, the Cloaked Schemer, power over Illusion, uses a Lexicon
VII. Saïx, the Lunar Diviner, power over the Moon, uses a Claymore (Note: Second in Command to Xemnas)
VIII. Axel, the Flurry of Dancing Flames, power over Fire, uses Two Chakrams
IX. Demyx, the Melodious Nocturne, power over Water, uses a Sitar
X. Luxord, the Gambler of Fate, power over Time, uses Cards and Dice
XI. Marluxia, the Graceful Assassin, power over Flowers, uses a Scythe
XII. Larxene, the Savage Nymph, power over Electricity, uses Kunai
XIII. Roxas, the Key of Destiny, power over Light, uses a Keyblade

It's worth noting that numbers 1-6 were apprentices of Ansem the Wise, and were the founding members, but more on that in the KH2 section.

Roxas and Axel become friends, much to Axel's shock (as they, as Nobodies, are not supposed to feel emotion). After a short while Chain of Memories begins and the members of the Organization assigned to Castle Oblivion depart, leaving Roxas, Xemnas, Xigbar, Xaldin, Saïx, Demyx, and Luxord (Later Axel). Around this time we're introduced to Xion. Xion joins the Organization, and while initially very shy and not showing any weapon or elemental powers, it is revealed she can use the keyblade and has a sunny, if sometimes pessimistic, attitude.

She and Roxas hit it off, and when Axel returns the three of them become inseparable. One or more of them, without fail, go to the top of Twilight Town's clock tower for Sea Salt flavor ice cream after work. Saïx, however, treats Xion like dirt, and often doesn't even acknowledge her as a person. This constant abuse causes Xion to desert, where she meets Riku. Riku demands to know why she has a keyblade, and the two start working things out. After a while, she returns, significantly more skeptical of the Organization's intentions.

(Side note: Xion and Roxas, having some of Sora's memories, make it so Namine cannot finish restoring him while they exist)

Stuff happens, which generally means Saïx giving Roxas random missions with no actual plot significance. Other than Xion, no new characters are introduced in the entire game (ie. they all appear in either KH1, KH2, or CoM). There's literally nothing you need to know UNTIL Xion disappears. Again! This time, when she appears, she's with Riku. Roxas yells at Saïx about why this is happening, why he's been ordered to kill her, etc. Saïx then plot expositions that Xion is NOT, in fact, a member of the Organization as we'd been led to believe. Instead, she's a member of the Replica program, designed to mirror Roxas/Sora so the Organization could have a second Keyblade, hence Saïx treating her as a tool. Also (freaky) everyone sees her face differently. Roxas's given a mission to plant weird devices on a few of the worlds he's visited.

Roxas confronts Xion at the top of the Clock Tower. Turns out Xemnas has reprogrammed her to kill Roxas and take his place! Epic boss battle, taking place by each of aforementioned planted devices, each of which gives her new powers. She's defeated, her part of Sora flows back to Roxas. Roxas is seriously pissed and runs to confront Riku, now wielding TWO keyblades (one for him and Xion), Oathkeeper (light) and Oblivion (dark). He defeats Riku, but Riku then knocks him out. Namine screws with his memory, and he wakes up in Twilight Town with no recollection that he ever spent any time as anyone but a normal kid living there.

Cue KH2.

[Gorrad]

No worries, dude. I'd be HIGHLY shocked if there's a bigger KH nerd in this game than myself, mod included, so I do what I can.

For those interested, I now link you to http://worlddestiny.proboards.com/index.cgi. I'm a mod there. /bragging rights

[Gorrad]

My character is so beyond awesome that he can't die

or

be lynched.

Man I'm awesome

Are you honestly claiming unkillable?

[Gorrad]

I wanted to make sure.

And no, it's not advertising. It's credentials. If it were advertising, I'd be telling people to join it.

I'm voting him, aren't I? His actions certainly don't make me want to change that.

[Gorrad]

Do you honestly need to ask? Defending scumminess is in turn scummy behavior. I kinda thought that went without saying.

[Gorrad]

No worries, dude. I'd be HIGHLY shocked if there's a bigger KH nerd in this game than myself, mod included, so I do what I can.

Is this a challenge? Because I'm sure I can win.

Absolutely. I made a 78-world list of all possible worlds in the KH universe, including names for them. I know and helped make two alternate timelines for the Radiant Garden cast that make sense in canon. I can explain the Gullwings in KH2. I've come up with an history for Luxord that fits in KH canon and explains why he gained the ability to manipulate time. I've created a coordinates system which can be used to pinpoint any possible location in the KH universe. KH is my thing. Bring it!

[Gorrad]

It means I understand the canon enough to make things that fit.

[Gorrad]

What characters are maintained throughout the game? Like who exists not as a temporary ally or villain specific to a single world?

The only characters who go, in the course of the series, to another world are as follows:

All members of Organization XIII
Ansem
Maleficent
Pete
The villains in Maleficent's counsel (Note: We see them gathered in counsel, so it is to be assumed they're on the same world. However, with the exception of Maleficent, none ever appear to Sora on any but their home world)
Sora
Donald
Goofy
Mickey
DiZ (Ansem the Wise)
Merlin
Fairy Godmother
The Summons
Leon (Squall)
Yuffie
Sephiroth
Cloud
Riku
Aerith
The Dalmations
Kairi
Namine
Xion
Cid
Huey, Dewie, Louie
Moogles
Princesses of Heart
Beast
Random Heartless
Random Nobodies

There is a strict rule: No one leaves their home world unless they're forced off. The exception is Mickey et al.

Gorrad- Will you help me?

Absolutely.

Re: 245- Twilight is generally used in the game as use of the Darkness, but not for evil purposes. Riku's really the only one who does so, with the possible exception of DiZ. I knew what I was doing in 180/181, and know a way around it. And when I said the end of KH1, I meant the last part, not the very ending.

The first part of 260 is WIN, but I disagree with the conclusion. In my opinion, scum would be much less likely to say a random sentence based on a person simply saying so. They have more on the line than a townie, and saying something like that would usually imply that it would grant some sort of ability.

Fuzzy: I see where you could get that, but I'm honestly trying to help out here. I'm a total KH geek, and any time I can use that power for good is a good way. Besides, would you prefer I didn't talk about flavor? With as many people not familiar with it as there seem to be, the more the town knows the better!



If I missed anything, lemme know.

[Gorrad]

I just reread 260, and I realized I may have misread. Saber, did you mean to say that questioning about it would be scummy, or not questioning?

[Gorrad]

Rock on. In that case, all of 260 is WIN!!!

[Gorrad]

So, wait...

you guys think I'm town? O.o

Er, yes. That pretty much covers my stance on you.

[Gorrad]

Then your character is one of the MANY characters found only on one world.

[Gorrad]

EBWOP: Didn't see the new page. That was to Deathnote.

[Gorrad]

Deathnote and Zwet would both be acceptable lynches in my eyes, but frankly DisCode is so blatantly scum! For Zwet, at least, his behavior is normally this scummy. Can't really say about DN, haven't played with him enough to know.

[Gorrad]

At 306: Such a list was asked for, and I gave it. Personally, I agree that analyzing it will get us nowhere, but far be it for me to deny someone such basic flavor information.

Vaya, have you not been reading my posts? I've clearly outlined my case on DisCode several times. Emphasis on his rolefishing and scummy claim. Iso me, you'll see it.

[Gorrad]

The people others might consider semi-policy lynching don't give me any sort of scumread so that's out.

Plum dear, if we don't policy lynch they'll never learn.

This is a TERRIBLE policy in and of itself.

[Gorrad]

In KH1, Riku is possesed by Ansem, causing his already-evil self to be totally evil. IF DisCode is Riku (and it's still a big if), then that's possibly what caused the mod scene. His being possessed. I went into speculation primarily to disprove Vaya's statement that if he was Riku, he had to be town.

[Gorrad]

SNRK!

Nice.

[Gorrad]

I see Vaya's defense of DisCode, while wrong, to honestly be town in intent. The wagon on her has my seal of disapproval.

[Gorrad]

No bleedin' policy lynches. ><

[Gorrad]

Good. Fullclaim or die, plskthx.

[Gorrad]

A policy lynch, by definition, applies to anyone. All lurkers, all liars....policy lynches are scum tactics designed to distract the town from people who are acting scummy (Like DisCode) and instead oversimplify with a cute saying like 'LAL' specifically created to make people not THINK about lynches, and just go with the policy.

That said, Zwet's far from the worst lynch. However, he ALWAYS posts very little content (though more often than he is at the moment, I'll admit), and that's not a damn good reason to lynch him.

[Gorrad]

Apparently it has to be the exact words.

I'll help you!

[Gorrad]

Apparently it has to be the exact words.

I'll help you!

YOU FOOL YOU'VE DOOMED US ALL.

Veni, veni, venias
Ne me mori facias
Veni, veni, venias
Ne me mori facias...

SEPHIROTH!!!!!!!!

[Gorrad]

Ok, I like Pokemon as much as the next teenage nerd, but it seems to me that this is absolutely the MOST off-topic we can possibly get.

This is not a challenge.

Still waiting on that claim, Dis. For those who don't want Dis to claim because 'it's wrong to claim unless you're L-2': VOTE FOR HIM! Get him up to L-2 if that's your belief. The L-2 is yet another policy scum use to hide intentions and....just read my last rant about them ><.

[Gorrad]

Ok, I like Pokemon as much as the next teenage nerd, but it seems to me that this is absolutely the MOST off-topic we can possibly get.

This is not a challenge.

Still waiting on that claim, Dis. For those who don't want Dis to claim because 'it's wrong to claim unless you're L-2': VOTE FOR HIM! Get him up to L-2 if that's your belief. The L-2 is yet another policy scum use to hide intentions and....just read my last rant about them ><.

What if we don't find him scummy. What am I supposed to do then?

Er, don't vote him? That seems like the logical choice.

[Gorrad]

Sir Chris, I want you to look at any game Zwet has ever been in. I want you to look at his lynch. It will ALWAYS be easy. While I'm sure he's a wonderful person with a good job and and a loving family IRL, he is easily one of the WORST mafia players I've ever seen, and has earned a reputation as such.

[Gorrad]

This ISN'T his typical town play. He's lurking a ton and has made nil contribution to the game. As town he at least tries to help.

You know, come to think of it, yeah. I wasn't really focusing on it, but he really HAS said nothing at all this game.

Not opposed to his lynch. Still want Dis to claim.

[Gorrad]

BWs are fun, and he isn't anywhere close to being lynched yet so...

unvote; vote: zwet

Scum vote. Calling it right now.

[Gorrad]

For those of you who, like me, are geeky enough to watch Yu-Gi-Oh the Abridged Series, that last post reminds me of Marik:

IGNORE ME!

(For those of you NOT geeky enough to follow a youtube parody of a show about children's card games, in one of the more recent episodes, the villain (Marik), while incognito, shouts Ignore Me after every time he does something to tip his hand as an evildoer. This, not surprisingly, works.)

Now I want to run Yu-Gi-Oh: The Abridged Mafia. Damnit.

[Gorrad]

ATTENTION DUELISTS!

My hair is going to

Unvote, Vote: Zwet

I've given in a good amount of thought, and come to the conclusion (Which most of y'all have already reached) that Zwet's play is significantly different from his norm, to the point of scumminess. Also, it seems like he's trying to use his own meta to frame his bandwagon as policy when, from what I can tell, it is not.

Other scum may include DisCode, DeathNote, Saberwolf, and MAYBE Cobalt, in order of scumminess, most to least. I see where his wagon's coming from, but I've got a big gut townread.

[Gorrad]

I still dislike DisCode, but I've played many games with Zwet, and I do seem to recall him flipping scum after being lynched due to a bandwagon caused by lurking. I'd have to check that, though, which (due to the fact that he's in every bloody game), I'd rather not do.

Icerint, that post was serious. The phrasing on Saber's vote so late into the wagon made my scumometer hit 11.

Regarding Cobalt, I think A, but in addition he's both less scummy than lurkerzwet AND more fun to play with. With which to play. To be frank, I've never actually seen scum try to modkill someone by pointing out an infraction in-thread, if I recall correctly. If someone has an example of scum doing so, I'd like to see it.

[Gorrad]

I'm saying if you had said "BWs are fun and he's not close to being lynched", earlier in the wagon, I'd not be as suspicious. If you removed your vote as he approached the lynch horizon (which I highly doubt you will), then again my suspicion would have been somewhat abated.

[Gorrad]

You want it, Plum, you got it.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

[Gorrad]

saberwolf is trying to get lynched.

@All - If Discode comes back (from prod or whatever) but neglects answering questions thrown his way, what then? I personally was willing to believe the miller claim and don't think scum would just blatantly own up to such a questionable cutscene (darkness, etc.), but comparing his activity spark to now is odd. In a nutshell, I'd move my suspicion over to him. It's not enough for me to suggest taking care of him today (ie lynch him) because, on one hand, I could understand if he has time issues. Same with me. Finals are next week.

Frankly, I'm happy enough with a Zwet lynch that I'd be more than happy to just lynch Dis tomorrow.

Also,

Mod:

Can we have a VC? I think we're nearing Zwetclaim time.

Oh. And if Zwet claims vanilla and I see /one person/ unvote him because of it, no matter how much the flavor fits, I will be seriously pissed. I've seen a good number of scummy people be run to L-2, just to claim vanilla and be practically forgotten.

[Gorrad]

Then perhaps YOU can give a good reason as to why a vanilla claim should be enough to get someone off a D1 lynch of someone as scummy as Zwet?

If Zwet claims PR or there's another equally scummy person being run up, THEN it would be ok. But lately it seems like once someone has claimed, people will unvote just based on the fact that there was a claim, no matter WHAT it is. This leads to another person being run up and having to claim, resulting in two D1 claims and one still-alive very scummy person.

Follow my logic?

[Gorrad]

Lmfao @ zwet voting for deadline extension. Can we character-claim? Just curious.

@saber - 655??

Where does Zwet vote for a deadline extension?

[Gorrad]

Then perhaps YOU can give a good reason as to why a vanilla claim should be enough to get someone off a D1 lynch of someone as scummy as Zwet?

If Zwet claims PR or there's another equally scummy person being run up, THEN it would be ok. But lately it seems like once someone has claimed, people will unvote just based on the fact that there was a claim, no matter WHAT it is. This leads to another person being run up and having to claim, resulting in two D1 claims and one still-alive very scummy person.

Follow my logic?

I have nothing against the logic. The logic makes perfect sense. The post itself and the way its worded just gives me a slight scummy vibe.

Fair enough. As long as the logic is sound.

[Gorrad]

You're reading WAY too much into this, Saber. Every lynch is a 'possible mislynch'. I just don't want anyone to unvote for such a stupid reason, and I've seen it enough recently with bad enough consequences that I opted to head it off before it happened.

[Gorrad]

Plum the connection between Bleach Mafia 1 and this game is, much as Kise said, in Bleach he did not do anything. He posted, si, but, like here, did nothing. As town, he has terrible posts, but he TRIES to catch scum.

[Gorrad]

For those of you keeping score at home, that puts Zwet back at L-3.

Zwet, I would recommend claiming now. Eleven people want you dead.

[Gorrad]

Why do you want zwet to claim at less than L-1+intent to lynch, Gorrad? Limiting claims should be a goal.

Because right now he's the obvious lynch, and the more he delays the less likely it is that we'll be able to change targets if his claim is enough for us to warrant doing so. Deadline is in 8 days.

[Gorrad]

YES!!!!!

I take back my call to have DisCode claim. Knowing DGB, the role claimed is guaranteed to be a PR and therefore not a good lynch choice D1.

In America.

[Gorrad]

DGB has single-handedly undone about 85% of DisCode's scumminess. Kickass.

Icerint! While I appreciate your destruction of Zwet, your kill flavor leaves a bad taste in my mouth. KH Characters with guns:

Xigbar
Cpt. Jack
Cpt. Hook
Clayton
Cpt. Barbossa
Stitch

Could possibly have a gun:

Pete (has one in Disney)
Leon (Gun/blade/)

Vote: Iecerint

[Gorrad]

DGB has single-handedly undone about 85% of DisCode's scumminess. Kickass.

Icerint! While I appreciate your destruction of Zwet, your kill flavor leaves a bad taste in my mouth. KH Characters with guns:

Xigbar
Cpt. Jack
Cpt. Hook
Clayton
Cpt. Barbossa
Stitch

Could possibly have a gun:

Pete (has one in Disney)
Leon (Gun/blade/)

Vote: Iecerint

Edit to this: I reread the flavor, and it says smoke was coming from the barrel. That eliminates Xiggy, Leon for sure, and, given that he uses a ray gun, probably Stitch.

Considering your ability has already been used, and I assume cannot be used again, would you mind claiming flavor for us, Iecerint?

[Gorrad]

Six hours? Sounds like you just got through the prologue : )

I love KH2. It's one of my all-time favorite movies.

But in all seriousness, while I will try to limit spoilers, if I think it will benefit the game for me to say them, I shall do so. If I remember, for your benefit, I'll try to use spoiler tags if it's something big.

Don't you mean game? XD And I completely agree, KH2 is amazing. ~Slicey~

[Gorrad]

Also, I know I'm posting a lot about this and I apologize, a fellow geek looked over my list and said to add Mr. Smee. They also said to add the Gullwings, but as they don't so much as draw a weapon all game I kinda doubt they'd be chosen for a killing ability.

[Gorrad]

Given the flavor, it sounds like Ice has an old school musket gun which would explain the one shot. Capt. Jack Sparrow only has one bullet in his gun so this seems the most likely person and I doubt Sparrow is Anti-town.

IF Iec is Sparrow, I'd agree that he'd be town. However, Hook, Barbossa, Smee, and Clayton all fit the flavor equally well, and I think 5/6 odds of being scum is completely worth it. If you throw in Pete, 6/7. Frankly, unless Iec pulls out some INCREDIBLE flavor out of his wazzoo that no one counterclaims, my vote's staying put.

Your defense of him against the odds is noted and added to your already scummy record. If he flips scum, I'd put money on you being his buddy.

[Gorrad]

I don't want to claim all the details of my role, but I don't see any harm in claiming Jack Sparrow.

I will give an adequate amount of time for a counter-claim, as given the large number of people in this game Sparrow probably /is/ either a role or a safeclaim of some sort.

Won't the real Jack Sparrow please stand up?

Kise, explain the vote please. Do you disagree with my logic?

[Gorrad]

1. There is no motivation as scum to waste a daykill when the lynch was going to happen anyways.

This...this is actually a very good point. I can think of reasons why scum would NK, but DK...maybe not so much.

Unvote

unless someone counter-claims.

Shotty: Are you suggesting that I am scumbuddies with both DGB and Iecerint? Because honestly, scum have exactly zero motivation to feed claims to people who aren't their buddies. Also, this is a large theme game. The odds that scum do NOT have safeclaims are utterly ridiculous.

Mod:

Have you SEEN the number of cutscenes in KH2? It's one of my favorite movies.

Fair point. XD Well, I obviously don't want to discuss anything now, but I do want to talk about KHII with you after this is over. Oh, and the two of us are going to mod Yu-Gi-Oh: Abridged Mafia. ~Slicey~

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Shotty: Are you suggesting that I am scumbuddies with both DGB and Iecerint? Because honestly, scum have exactly zero motivation to feed claims to people who aren't their buddies. Also, this is a large theme game. The odds that scum do NOT have safeclaims are utterly ridiculous.

That post was a set-up for this, I think you're town.

Ah, I missed that. DGB logic, as always, is epic win.

[Gorrad]

Just iso'd Hayker. Is the wagon on him for IIoA? I don't like him telling the voice to be ignored, but his DisCode suspicion was utterly warranted imho.

[Gorrad]

As can I, though I definitely want an answer to my previous question regarding Hayker's wagon.

Vote: SirPent

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If there's two things I've learned in my time here, one is to trust DGB. ESPECIALLY if she's scum. It makes games so much more fun.

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Raider, why are you so sure there won't be a counter claim? I specifically worded my posts so that, if Iecerint was scum, he would HAVE to claim Jack. Meaning he could not, should he be scum, claim one of his safeclaims. So. Either a) Iecerint is scum, Jack was one of the fakeclaims b) Iecerint is telling the truth c) Iecerint is scum and risking a counter claim from town.

Only scum know who scum are. I want to know why you dismissed option c so assuredly.

Also, I disagree completely about DGB leading the town.

For those keeping score at home, SirPent, Raider, SSK, Deathnote, and Saberwolf are my current likely scum candidates.

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EBWOP: a) should read 'safeclaims', not 'fakeclaims'.

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Saber: 536. I already said a few times.

Raider: Why do you assume that the person counter-claiming would be scum? You said it yourself, one town for one scum is a good deal. If he's fakeclaiming and not using a safeclaim, something I specifically tried to force him to do with the flavor analysis, then there could be a REAL Jack Sparrow, pro-town, who could counter him.

[Gorrad]

Anyone suspecting DGB at this point has never played with her.

DGB, I see your point on Raider, but what makes you think that just because he's scum SirPent can't be?

[Gorrad]

Anyone suspecting DGB at this point has never played with her.

DGB, I see your point on Raider, but what makes you think that just because he's scum SirPent can't be?

I'm suspicious of players that defend, with disproportionate passion, worthless players/lurkers/zwet. That's something that scum will do to earn town cred. Not always; but I've seen it a lot. That's what raider was doing. If this tilted raider further in the scum column, it balanced SirPent into the town column.

This is a large. Just because they aren't scum together doesn't mean that they can't both be scum.


I was about to join the DoS wagon, but then I saw his last post. Not even any defense against the not-insubstantial wagon! In my experience, unless they're total newbies, scum fight tooth and nail to avoid their own lynches. Townies roll over and take it much more frequently, as they have less to lose by them being lynched. DoS could be WIFOMing, expecting someone to say this, but I don't believe he is.

I much preferred the SirPent wagon. Can we get more on him, please?

[Gorrad]

I'm suspicious of players that defend, with disproportionate passion, worthless players/lurkers/zwet. That's something that scum will do to earn town cred. Not always; but I've seen it a lot. That's what raider was doing. If this tilted raider further in the scum column, it balanced SirPent into the town column.

Even townies need to defend themselves with passion. Who is to say that a townie should not go all out and defend themselves? I had people who roll over and die, nothing is gained from that. Letting myself be lynched without a fight or even just a little fight goes against my win condition. Plus when I do get lynched or die and then become a confirmed townie people can at least take what I say as a confirmed townie. I have seen a lot of people use this reasoning, I have never quite understood it as I have seen it both ways.

This rant has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. I never said townies SHOULDN'T 'defend themselves with passion'. I said scum are more likely to.

DoS, you just claimed vanilla I believe. Care to add a flavor to that?

[Gorrad]

I'm suspicious of players that defend, with disproportionate passion, worthless players/lurkers/zwet. That's something that scum will do to earn town cred. Not always; but I've seen it a lot. That's what raider was doing. If this tilted raider further in the scum column, it balanced SirPent into the town column.

Even townies need to defend themselves with passion. Who is to say that a townie should not go all out and defend themselves? I had people who roll over and die, nothing is gained from that. Letting myself be lynched without a fight or even just a little fight goes against my win condition. Plus when I do get lynched or die and then become a confirmed townie people can at least take what I say as a confirmed townie. I have seen a lot of people use this reasoning, I have never quite understood it as I have seen it both ways.

This rant has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. I never said townies SHOULDN'T 'defend themselves with passion'. I said scum are more likely to.

DoS, you just claimed vanilla I believe. Care to add a flavor to that?

That doesn't make any sense. 'Town should defend themselves with passion, but I consider that a scum-tell.' WtF?

Er, ok, I see how you could get that from what I said, but that's not how I meant it. I don't find defense a scumtell. I find lack of defense a towntell. Does that make more sense?

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Er, ok, I see how you could get that from what I said, but that's not how I meant it. I don't find defense a scumtell. I find lack of defense a towntell. Does that make more sense?

lol, so what Zwet did should have been the biggest possible towntell? I understand what you are saying, at least I think. There is a line for defending oneself but if its crossed then it turns scummy. Cant say I agree but for me its when someone changes their defense when the first one they were using doesnt work.

No, Zwet was just lurking

Sir Chris, you should listen to DGB. DGB, unlike yourself, has played with me in the past. Alternately, you could read one of my games. For a great example of my being both slick and utterly off the mark (as you believe me to be) as town, I suggest Glork's first Weather Mafia.

[Gorrad]

Hmmmmmmm.....

Are all of y'all really so sure that DoS is WIFOMing with this lack of defense?

[Gorrad]

Well, the thing is, one post in a sea of many, what is more likely: He has one "townish" post in a sea of many not as town and doesn't help town at all with that attitude, or he is scum trying to fake us?

...Ok. This logic is sound. I do so with a certain amount of reluctance, but

Unvote, Vote: DoS

. There's a good enough chance that DoS is scum for me to agree that this is better than a SirPent lynch right now.

Also, I love how the number of KH avatars is growing...

[Gorrad]

Gorrad
This is mostly because he keeps on giving every damn person a reasonable claim, stop doing this please and thanks

Hayker, you do not understand. This is a large theme, there is not a CHANCE that scum do not have safeclaims of some sort. By narrowing down flavor in-thread, I can attempt to force them to claim something that is NOT their safeclaim, making them risk counter-claim.

Besides, I've only done it, like, twice. If that. Hardly for 'every damn person'.

[Gorrad]

Gorrad
This is mostly because he keeps on giving every damn person a reasonable claim, stop doing this please and thanks

Hayker, you do not understand. This is a large theme, there is not a CHANCE that scum do not have safeclaims of some sort. By narrowing down flavor in-thread, I can attempt to force them to claim something that is NOT their safeclaim, making them risk counter-claim.

Besides, I've only done it, like, twice. If that. Hardly for 'every damn person'.

Thrice actually. You throw out a bunch of things, and you even admitted to saying that you're trying to force people to make a particular claim. I just don't see how that is helping. You may as well leave the mafia to make their own safeclaim, because then they might make some fatal error that only someone with knowledge of the game could know.
Hell, their safeclaim can still EASILY be counterclaimed, it's not as if the mafia would know every single role and character in this game.

Hayker, do you know what a safeclaim is? It's a name the mod gives the scum that's GUARANTEED to not be in the game.

[Gorrad]

Gorrad
This is mostly because he keeps on giving every damn person a reasonable claim, stop doing this please and thanks

Hayker, you do not understand. This is a large theme, there is not a CHANCE that scum do not have safeclaims of some sort. By narrowing down flavor in-thread, I can attempt to force them to claim something that is NOT their safeclaim, making them risk counter-claim.

Besides, I've only done it, like, twice. If that. Hardly for 'every damn person'.

Thrice actually. You throw out a bunch of things, and you even admitted to saying that you're trying to force people to make a particular claim. I just don't see how that is helping. You may as well leave the mafia to make their own safeclaim, because then they might make some fatal error that only someone with knowledge of the game could know.
Hell, their safeclaim can still EASILY be counterclaimed, it's not as if the mafia would know every single role and character in this game.

Hayker, do you know what a safeclaim is? It's a name the mod gives the scum that's GUARANTEED to not be in the game.

You're assuming the mod is giving safeclaims? I dunno...seems like an assumption that shouldn't be made.

I want you to find me ONE large theme without safeclaims.

Seriously.

If the mod DIDN'T give safeclaims, all it would take is one mass-claim for the town to win without even trying. I give Slicey a LOT more credit than that.

[Gorrad]

Mod: Can we please have a prod or replacement for Modvoice Sajin?

So....Reckoner's one-post-which-negates-all-suspicion worked, but DoS's didn't? Double-standard much ><

I'm going to argue that a bit more. Reckoner's been scummy to DGB since she entered to game, but suddenly one post negates all that? Now, DGB has the scumdar of a ferret on Ritalin (focused but changing focus rapidly), so for her? I can understand the abrupt change. But Saber and Wolf, WTF? Are you just following DGB blindly?

DoS has done nothing to improve my opinion of him.

[Gorrad]

...

/facepalm

DGB, you're a great person to play with, and this is part of the reason why. So when I facepalm, it's with joy and friendship implied.

Still.

/FACEPALM

[Gorrad]

Yeah, if there's one thing I absolutely HATE, it's when someone claims Vanilla and then their wagon loses steam.

Seriously! Why don't we just run up EVERYONE to L-1 until we find a power role, and then lynch them because some scum says their flavor doesn't match their ability. Because nowadays, that seems to be the only way to finish a lynch.

DGB's case, in classic DGB style, has absolutely no explanation to it. No analyzation other than what's going on in her mind. Now, I do not find her scummy for doing this, but everyone else unvoting and going for the new trend? WTF. I'm frankly flabbergasted that people are so willing to give up a wagon good enough to drive a scum to claim vanilla.

Get y'all's acts together and let's bloody well end today on a solid, scumcatching note.

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still vla. have to break this post up, sorry.

chris: 1. DGB always jumps like this.

2. Why did you not iso me? I was on both wagons. You`re not scummy for not doing so, I am just curious.

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DTM: In a large theme, a game where safeclaims are practically assured, why would I as scum possibly have motivation to feed people claims? As I said earlier, I was trying to force people to make non-safe claims.

Also, due to tech limits, I cannot quote at the moment. I will be able to tomorrow, so that is when I`ll post my suspicions.

[Gorrad]

Going from day start -> now

Well, that looked promising, guess not. Not the result I wanted, but I think there is a lot to be learned from the flip.

This is one of the major scumtells in my book. However, that said, Sir Chris is still probably town. The DoS wagon was a solid case, even if it was on town.

Deathnote is foolish for the claim, but probably still town.

The Hayker and Joe wagons seem to only be because of lurking (AKA utter lack of posting ANYTHING). I'm sick of lurker wagons.

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unvote vote MSSK

Bro, you just revealed that you have been bussing me. Fail.

Unvote, vote cobalt

Literally lolwat.

Hey you know what? I hadn't noticed that post. Well guess what. SSK is telling the truth.

FOLKS THIS IS URGENT

I AM STANDING HERE MAKING A WOLRDWIDE APPEAL, A DESPERATE PLEA, BEGGING ON MY KNEES, FOR THE SPEEDY AND IMMEDIATE LYNCH OF MafiaSSK. After he inevitably flips scum, we kill his scumpal Cobalt.

unvote, vote: MafiaSSK

I endorse this fully! That's no slip, it's a spacestation!

Note to all:

If MafiaSSK flips scum, there is no way he is scum with xRECKONERx. No way a buddy would defend another so late into a wagon. In fact, if MafiaSSK flips scum, xRECKONERx is pretty much confirmed town until the end of time.

DGB, I will bet you that you contradict this within five days of the flip.

Also, @ Gorrad:

That KH site is dying - many people are leaving now.

It's survived worse. The admin's working on a big super-secret revival project ^^

@Sir Chris: Please respond to my last post. KTHX!

@Cobalt: oO Issat your claim? Fo' reals? I mean, I can see /some/ town application for it but still...not anything I'd give town. You just shot up my meter just by claim.

Cobalt's abiliy seems shady to me but it would result in a one for one trade. To me I would think it would work the opposite as that would make sense.

@Sir Chris, what more do you need to use your ability?[/quote

I have a passive of some sort, and it is confusing. I'll let you guys know if it actually, like, gives me anything.

Er, did you claim earlier? Am I forgetting it?

@Gorrad

I'll await your responses but the whole point of the posts are your fluff.

You are fluffy. You are a distraction. Your flavour analysis isn't helping. Why?

You attacked Icerient because he used a gun. Not the fact that he used the kill in a protown manner to allow the town to have two town driven kills rather then let scum control the board. Why do we want town driven kills?

Town wants to : eliminate those who are scummy and appear detrimental to the town.

Scum wants to: eliminate those who are detrimental to the success of scum or will put the game in their advantage.

Its a glaring example of fake scum hunting in your posts so you sir set up lots of scum vibes for me.

I have done both play and flavor analysis in this game. Both are important. To say that I haven't is misrep of the highest degree.

There is no character from Disney Castle that matches with the info I got on you. That is all I will say for now.

This is believable to me. Some sort of limited investigation role is a common feature of any large game that doesn't want two full-fledged cops. Plus, Kdub would need to have serious balls and creativity to try and pull of a limited cop fakeclaim right now, and from what I recall he's not the type to risk that.

So yeah, we're looking at SSK and Cobalt.

Why does anything make me scum? Why wouldn't catching scum make me town? The only reason you want to lynch me is my ability- an ability that just caught MSSK fake-claiming.

No, your ability and Kdub's information.

Kdub has just put himself on the line. Creating a TRUE 1 v. 1 unless we have a really hilarious chain of bussing going on.

As far as I'm concerned, SSK claimed scum before your little stunt anyway.

I want the details of your ability with flavor please. We may very well end up killing MSSK as well, but you could both easily be scum.

Why WOULDN'T we kill SSK? He's claimed scum. TWICE!

This post is win.

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So SSK and Cobalt are both scum. That's pretty bleedin' obvious. I don't really care which goes first, but Iec should go ahead and blast one. I'll vote whichever isn't shot.

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By the way? To do more of my previously-condemned flavor analysis, the idea of Mickey with a gun is utterly ridiculous.

[Gorrad]

@Cobalt: "Anger is the common substitute for logic among those who have no evidence for what they desperately want to believe." -Isaac Asimov

No one should ever give me a quote book for Christmas again.

I expect some awesome quote in every post now. ~Slicey~

[Gorrad]

Woot.

[Gorrad]

Vote: MafiaSSK

And that's two nobodies found.

[Gorrad]

(Also Gorrad could care less what you think is a scum tell if you aren't going to call me scummy for it, have an odd feeling you'd do it again there.)

What is this in reference to?

Also, thanks to 2199, I'm going to have Boston stuck in my head all day ><

I'm going out of town again. Back on no-quoting and no-copy/paste until the 30th, still LA until the 4th.

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A-hem.

KINGDOM HEARTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bah. : D