Flash Mafia: You won!

[crypto]

/cremate

[crypto]

Probably V/LA Thursday through Sunday.

[crypto]

Vote: mikeburnfire.
FOS: RayFrost.

(Scuttles back to the shadows of V/LA.)

[crypto]

lmoa.

(Bangs head against wall till forehead splits and fountains blood.)

[crypto]

Saying Crypto makes more sense than me is like saying a padawan can kill a hoard of rushing zerg.

I am the greatest Mafia player ever to have lived. /convo

Reasoning for finding mbf scummy?

I'm toying with the idea that he's scum trying to play the serious pro-town BAMF. Mufasa wasn't going to get lynched. That would be silly.

reasoning for finding me scummy?

I don't like the vibes posts 7, 9, and 10 are giving off.

I also don't like the reasons posts 10 and 11 provide for voting Snow White. Deliberate avoidance of current discussion. You obviously aren't policy-lynching her, so your vote is blatantly irrelevant, useless, evasive, etc.

And I don't like the "Reasoning...?" spam. It strikes me as a lazy attempt at being pro-town, like mikeburnfire version 0.5.

All that said, it's obviously scant info right now and I'm more interested in players not named RayFrost (mike, and a couple of others).

reasoning for hiding behind v/la when you are obv here?

I am not hiding behind V/LA. I'm on the computer at my grandparents' house. I do not expect to be able to post like this regularly (I do expect to get a few posts in). It's a holiday. Now go die in a gutter.

[crypto]

EBWOP: Now go die

alone

in a gutter.

[crypto]

Unvote.

Lost interest in mikeburnfire for now, though I still got my eye on him.

Vote: Snow_Bunny

for isos. 1 and 2, which ring scummy to me in every way, and for a girl's points in the above post.

[crypto]

I like how you give rofl all credit instead of me or Snow_Bunny. Sounds familiar ...

Choo-choo?

[crypto]

EBWOP:

I like how you give rofl all credit instead of me or a girl on the internet.

[crypto]

Ray, we've got this game in lockdown mode.

[crypto]

/bangs head through computer screen

[crypto]

Unvote. Vote: a girl on the internet.

TLDR: she's scummy.

[crypto]

I didn't mean to spit in the face of Green Crayons' post, though; it's a fab addition to the RF case. RF can be one of AGOTI's scum buddies.

[crypto]

I don't think the Bunny wagon is lame.

[crypto]

Post in isolation.

Um. At the bottom of your screen:

Display posts from previous: [All Posts] by [Snow_Bunny] [Oldest First]

[crypto]

Why did you change your mind about roflcopter?

[crypto]

Only one of his posts stood out as scummy. When reading over there was not much more I felt needed to be adressed.

What needed to be addressed the first time?

Why

did your opinion change? What does the question of whether or not something needs to be addressed have to do with the question of whether or not something is scummy?

[crypto]

Ray, who again are your FOSes? Snow_Bunny and . . . ?

[crypto]

Ah, okay.

Guys, I like the RayFrost wagon and

if necessary

I'ma let it finish, but can we please wagon AGOTI now?

[crypto]

Actually, no, to be frank I like the Ray wagon better than I thought. RayFrost's preemptive Snow White lurker vote was lame.

[crypto]

Reasons?

Given.

[crypto]

Reasons?

Given.

[crypto]

Have a lollipop.

[crypto]

Lastly, and i really hope i dont end up with egg on my face with this, if RayFrost is ScumRayFrost, VT is a really shitty fakeclaim.

Would you prefer that I lied about my role?

Yeah, what?

[crypto]

SW.

[crypto]

Hoy! Choo-choo on AGOTI.

[crypto]

Spyre, why again am I suspicious?

[crypto]

I'm not coasting; I've wanted an AGOTI wagon for some time now and it took fricking forever to get one.

[crypto]

SpyreX, if you really want a wall-of-text, be my guest.

AGOTI case: trivialities

why's that?

I don't like contractions like these. "Why's" is an unnatural thing to say and an unnatural thing to write. It strikes me as contrived, which in turn strikes me as scummy. But that's a heavily opinionated triviality; I won't care all that much if people disagree.

p. obvious you won't agree when you're the one he's voting

Gross oversimplification. Players concede certain points to those who suspect them all the time. Weak criticisms like these are what we call really crappy filler text.

^ town

Why the heck do you feel the need to mention this?

AGOTI case: substantial issues

rofl, ray & crypto give me warm fuzzies. mbf & mufasa don't.

Why, why, why, why, and why? Why does RayFrost give you warm fuzzies if you don't like how he disagreed with whoever said he was opportunistic? Or was that comment of yours not intended to be a criticism (in which case it was just more crap fluff in a post full of crap fluff)? Why do you suspect mikeburnfire? Why are you liking me if you haven't even commented on any of my posts? Why are you liking roflcopter if you don't even know why he's voting for populartajo – or are rofl's mere actions so pro-town in your eyes that you don't even care for the underlying factors? Why do you suspect Mufasa? You haven't so much as mentioned his actual play? Is your Mufasa suspicion just your attempt at trying to cover your bases and hop on his bandwagon if you need a quick wagon?

i don't really like my mufasa vote either if he's being replaced tho.

What's wrong with voting for players who are replacing out?

he's clearly town.

cuz he's obv town.

Not good enough.

while mufasa was around, it pressured him to explain himself. but all we're ever gonna get from his replacement is "no idea what mufasa was thinking, soz guys". pressure's not gonna change that, so there's much better things we could be doin instead, like lynching snow bunny. k?

Bang, FAIL. You didn't like Mufasa. That is to say you announced suspicion of him. In that case it's not about pressure. It's about voting for scum. Are you expecting Mufasa's replacement to just claim scum and admit defeat? Your cute little vote won't make the slightest difference in the degree of pressure he feels.

either one would be fine, yeah. not having an opinion is fine too. it's suspish that she uses so many words to say so tho. like, what separates him from all the peeps she just plain didn't mention? they're neutral too, right? and bringin third parties into it is even worse.

This is just a horrible quote. I don't even know where to start.

you're right, prozac is def scummy too. specially that L-1 vote, it's totally at odds with the whole cautious persona he's been playin most of the way thru.

Why are those aspects at odds with each other? Does an L–1 vote a few pages into the game really fly in the face of caution? Even then, can you please point out to me how Porochaz has been cautious in this game?

prozac is scummy for the same reason snow bunny is scummy - pushing a wagon without commiting a vote to it.

That's exactly what you did with Mufasa. Oh, and I agree that it's highly suspicious. Ha. Haha. Hahahahaha.

The remotely careful observer will notice the high frequency of "Why?" in this post. AGOTI is trying to get away with a load of unreasonable, nonsensical play, like a shallow and generally useless version of roflcopter. Cheering on wagons, pumping out meaningless one-line proclamations, wielding hypocrisy like a flamethrower with a mini fold-up rocket launcher dangling from the handle, etc. Basically – a nauseatingly exotic active lurking job. It's not quite damning for me, but it's certainly scummy as all hell.

That aside, her language really rubs me wrong. (And no, it isn't that it's childish. It's that her posting style looks ferociously contrived.)

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Oh, and of course there's all the stuff other people have outlined about AGOTI that I can't be bothered to link to.

[crypto]

The post was newly generated. So were some of the observations.

[crypto]

Because my two other games have been in someone's-gonna-die mode, because I had limited access during Thanksgiving vaca, because most of my suspicion was (and still is) a gut read, because I hadn't noticed some of the things that I noticed when you prompted me to reread and make a case, because I've become a fan of voting/pressuring before revealing most or all of my underlying reasons (though there weren't initially many concrete reasons in this case), and because I'm a little lazy.

[crypto]

I think that covers it.

[crypto]

I don't know, Pom. I think the ickiness of AGOTI's language transcends the inherent weirdness of adopting an alt style. I understand that AGOTI is contriving a style, but you should be able to do so without being

this

scummy about it. It's hard to describe, but there's a difference between

contrived alt style

and

contrived alt style that's scummy

. Maybe it's just me.

[crypto]

Mod-kill him, Lord Mykonian.

Do it.

[crypto]

Now, I'm gonna be THAT GUY again and say I'm not seein the AGOTI business either.

To be honest, I lost more and more interest in my AGOTI case as I compiled it. It makes some valuable points, but overall I'm rather indifferent toward most of my own case. (I was sort of loath to admit this because I wanted to see how AGOTI replied and because, frankly, I was ticked off about it.) My gut feeling is still there about AGOTI, though – not the "I just know something's wrong about this person" feeling, but the "I don't like how this person's playing overall, even if I can't entirely put my finger on it" feeling.

Oh, and I stumbled across this while rereading: I don't know if I said it before (I know others did) but AGOTI did a really bad OMGUS of Poro. It's incredibly lame to the point where I don't even know why scum – especially experienced scum, assuming AGOTI is an alt of a vet player – would try it.

Preview edit: And I see mikeburnfire agrees that my case for AGOTI sucked. Pretty fair criticism.

So, before we start holding hands, thoughts on:

1.) Poro coming in and stating something about the modcount without saying anything with the last few pages?
2.) Pom's last post.
3.) MBF

I don't know if you're asking me, but … these are good questions, so whatever.

Bold is mine.

Heh, that makes me giggle. I was originally going to stick my answers into the quote, but I've decided my response to (1) is too significant to risk hiding from skim readers like that.

1.

Poro's play style seems to give him a free pass here. As far as I can tell, it's standard for him not to comment on a whole page, but then pop in and make a post that reads like he wasn't thinking we'd be surprised by its abruptness. Dunno. It's also understandable because he'd just hopped on the AGOTI wagon, which means he was confined to a waiting game until AGOTI's response, which in turn means he might not have cared to comment on anything else. TLDR: null tell. That said, IGMEOPoro for some time now. I

could

be seeing shadows here, but his posts look way too self-conscious for my liking. (Examples: hyper-focusing on why he votes for AGOTI instead of Rayexplanation for delayed AGOTI.) I also don't like how Poro put Ray at L–1 (not good enough? – big deal, it's like five pages into the game). And still not at all a fan of his roflcopter suspicion/non-suspicion business.

2.

I don't take issue with it. I found her treatment of me, and then her treatment of me with you in mind, legitimate.

3.

Still toying with the notion that he was scum playing Supertown with his "Guys we're wagoning Ray way too fast!" deal, but it's reverse-reverse psychology so I'm not ready to make a call there. Otherwise, I'm ambivalent.

crypto, what exactly changed between your mbf vote and your unvote?

Fair point, I guess, but for the most part I've either provided or implied some degree of reasoning. I was straightforward with my Snow_Bunny vote. You seem to be intentionally obscure, bordering on cloak-and-dagger, whereas I'm just leaving out reasons until someone finally asks for them.

crypto, what exactly changed between your mbf vote and your unvote?

MBF was scummy but there wasn't enough to go on, and there were juicier targets IIRC.

I dont like the quick vote after rolf and elvis pressure. It seems like Pome is blindly trusting them.

Townies blindly follow roflcopter all the time, as I've recently witnessed firsthand. It's epically annoying, but it's true. For what it's worth.

My feeling is that crypto is scum (he sounds so much less obnoxious than usual, his responses are filled with excuses, and his reasons are not very compelling).

Wow … again, you can do a meta of me and you'll see both of my other games JUST went into night, and the third JUST ended with a mislynch. As for obnoxious, mood is not a scum tell. I tend not to go into auto-asshole mode at the beginning of a game unless I've already been ticked off in another game. I tend to start out neutral, and then get pissier and pissier as the game goes on. By the way, what excuses have I made other than that one?

And yes, I concede again that I'm not even a fan of my AGOTI case, but she's still scummy as hell, and I do think some of my points had/have merit.

Now, I'm gonna be THAT GUY again and say I'm not seein the AGOTI business either.

To be honest, I lost more and more interest in my AGOTI case as I compiled it. It makes some valuable points, but overall I'm rather indifferent toward most of my own case. (I was sort of loath to admit this because I wanted to see how AGOTI replied and because, frankly, I was ticked off about it.) My gut feeling is still there about AGOTI, though – not the "I just know something's wrong about this person" feeling, but the "I don't like how this person's playing overall, even if I can't entirely put my finger on it" feeling.

Oh, and I stumbled across this while rereading: I don't know if I said it before (I know others did) but AGOTI did a really bad OMGUS of Poro. It's incredibly lame to the point where I don't even know why scum – especially experienced scum, assuming AGOTI is an alt of a vet player – would try it.

Preview edit: And I see mikeburnfire agrees that my case for AGOTI sucked. Pretty fair criticism.

So, before we start holding hands, thoughts on:

1.) Poro coming in and stating something about the modcount without saying anything with the last few pages?
2.) Pom's last post.
3.) MBF

I don't know if you're asking me, but … these are good questions, so whatever.

Bold is mine.

Heh, that makes me giggle. I was originally going to stick my answers into the quote, but I've decided my response to (1) is too significant to risk hiding from skim readers like that.

1.

Poro's play style seems to give him a free pass here. As far as I can tell, it's standard for him not to comment on a whole page, but then pop in and make a post that reads like he wasn't thinking we'd be surprised by its abruptness. Dunno. It's also understandable because he'd just hopped on the AGOTI wagon, which means he was confined to a waiting game until AGOTI's response, which in turn means he might not have cared to comment on anything else. TLDR: null tell. That said, IGMEOPoro for some time now. I

could

be seeing shadows here, but his posts look way too self-conscious for my liking. (Examples: hyper-focusing on why he votes for AGOTI instead of Rayexplanation for delayed AGOTI.) I also don't like how Poro put Ray at L–1 (not good enough? – big deal, it's like five pages into the game). And still not at all a fan of his roflcopter suspicion/non-suspicion business.

2.

I don't take issue with it. I found her treatment of me, and then her treatment of me with you in mind, legitimate.

3.

Still toying with the notion that he was scum playing Supertown with his "Guys we're wagoning Ray way too fast!" deal, but it's reverse-reverse psychology so I'm not ready to make a call there. Otherwise, I'm ambivalent.

crypto, what exactly changed between your mbf vote and your unvote?

Fair point, I guess, but for the most part I've either provided or implied some degree of reasoning. I was straightforward with my Snow_Bunny vote. You seem to be intentionally obscure, bordering on cloak-and-dagger, whereas I'm just leaving out reasons until someone finally asks for them.

crypto, what exactly changed between your mbf vote and your unvote?

MBF was scummy but there wasn't enough to go on, and there were juicier targets IIRC.

I dont like the quick vote after rolf and elvis pressure. It seems like Pome is blindly trusting them.

Townies blindly follow roflcopter all the time, as I've recently witnessed firsthand. It's epically annoying, but it's true. For what it's worth.

My feeling is that crypto is scum (he sounds so much less obnoxious than usual, his responses are filled with excuses, and his reasons are not very compelling).

Wow … again, you can do a meta of me and you'll see both of my other games JUST went into night, and the third JUST ended with a mislynch. As for obnoxious, mood is not a scum tell. I tend not to go into auto-asshole mode at the beginning of a game unless I've already been ticked off in another game. I tend to start out neutral, and then get pissier and pissier as the game goes on. By the way, what excuses have I made other than that one?

And yes, I concede again that I'm not even a fan of my AGOTI case, but she's still scummy as hell, and I do think some of my points had/have merit.

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I should be able to post some nonresponse stuff later when I get home.
Short on time now.

[crypto]

Like I said, that's one excuse. One excuse is not even fucking close to "his responses are filled with excuses." Between Thanksgiving, a Statistics project, applying to colleges, and, hell, eight hours per day of school itself, I'm not going to be pumping out content at my usual rate. That point is bullshit.

Your comparison of my scum hunting this game with my scum hunting in another game is fundamentally invalid. In that game I started reading and posting after ten pages of content had been generated. I had plenty to go off and as a result I was instantly able to crank out walls-of-text that laid out my suspicions. That's impossible to do in this game because I've observed and participated from the outset. There's no catchup involved. My content, just like any other player's, will be much more spread out in this situation; there won't be an immediate explosion of information.

All that aside, attacking me because I'm not being aggressive is also bullshit. I'm not going to fly off the handle in every post in every game. So far I have called out AGOTI, Snow_Bunny, mikeburnfire, Porochaz, and RayFrost. Back the hell off or start supporting your accusations with so much as an

inkling

of truth.

/jerk

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Hey, I managed to double-post half my wall-of-text without making two separate posts.

Crypto what in the hell did you DO in your post? Thats truly amazing.

What do you mean?

If you're accusing me of too much fluff, I'm going to flame you, because I said I would post some stuff once I got home (and I am now home, and this post is me twiddling my thumbs before I reread the thread).

[crypto]

Oh.

[crypto]

Btw, is funny how suddenly all pressure on Ray disappeared.

What do you mean? Why don't you like this?

[crypto]

Why did you like the Ray wagon?

Why did you want to lynch Ray after his vanilla townie claim?

[crypto]

Why

[crypto]

did you

[crypto]

just

[crypto]

answer

[crypto]

for another player?

[crypto]

Oh, yay. crypto's posts now feature 90% less content.

No, each one was part of a pertinent question, making each include 100% content. I win.

Green Crayons, I care less about Mafia theory answers than about the substance of the post.

[crypto]

(that a D1 vanilla claim clears a laundry list of scummy behavior)

All right, wise guy, point out where I take this stance.

[crypto]

Unvote. Vote: Snow_Bunny.

Answer my other question.

[crypto]

Also, point out where I state that believe his claim.

Actually, no, I have a better idea: Read the thread.

[crypto]

crypto: It's in the question itself. It's the loaded grounding upon which the question is being asked. The fact that you wanted to know why Bunny still wanted to Ray lynch beyond Certain Point X means Certain Point X has some serious weight behind it. In terms of the question as you framed it, Certain Point X was Ray's vanilla claim.

The question gave Ray's vanilla claim undue weight as a serious cause as not to continue to pursue a Ray lynch.

(Bangs head on keyboard.) No. It's not about what I think of Ray before/after his claim. It's about the motives behind Snow_Bunny's continued obsession with Ray's lynch. Your logical leap from "Certain Point X has weight behind it" to "Certain Point X has weight behind it, therefore I believe Lead-Up Case to Certain Point X" loses all merit is unreal.

[crypto]

I'm curious to what specifically you're referencing that one should glean from a reread of the thread.

Gosh, I don't know, maybe I was suggesting that Snow_Bunny point out the part where I said I believed RayFrost's fake claim.

you actually outright admitted that the Ray voting was a better path to follow

Nope. Reread. That's not what I said. It being good does not make it

better

. Hopefully there is more than one mafioso in this game. I am not obliged to vote for every player I find scummy (if I did, the mod's head might explode).

Your attacks are getting crummier by the minute. Keep them coming. Actually, no, don't keep them coming; I'm getting tired of them.

[crypto]

It's a simple question, Snow_Bunny. You just posted in another game. Please take five seconds to answer said simple question in this game.

[crypto]

This Is Madness, Poro

Try AGOTI, Ray, someone whos currently in the background - ie tajo rofl etc, crypto

Yeah, me and populartajo are totally in the background. Going after AGOTI and Snow_Bunny is totally in the background. Making a case about Pomegranate that's been repeatedly ignored is totally in the background.

(who apart from anything else I have a lost a lot of respect for, for the multi one word posts)

Hyperbole more. Melodrama more. You had null respect for me in the first place. My outrage at one player answering for another (which is a universal no-no on MS, and even then he could have had his say

after

Snow_Bunny responded to the same effect) and my ill-advised use of five posts (five whopping posts! – the world is ending! – crypto has ruined the purity of this thread! – I have never seen such horrible asshattery! – never again will I respect him as I did before!) for extra emphasis where one would have been sufficient were completely undeserving of your oh-so-deep response, which is completely irrelevant to the game itself and therefore a shameless sideways potshot dangled off the rump of your post. Regardless, your hyper-focus contradicts your statement that I'm lurking in the background or whatever. Make up your mind, Porochaz. Am I in the background or am I a trigger-happy ass clogging the game? You can't have both.

Now stop flailing.

I never voted for Ray, as by the time I'd vote I would either put him at L-2 (I think) at page 5 or so, or L-1/hammer.

What does that have to do with whether or not you liked the wagon? Stop dodging the question.

Your simultaneous attachment to the AGOTI wagon and obsession with loss of pressure on RayFrost are scummy and contradictory. You didn't say that the Ray wagon was good but that AGOTI should be lynched instead. You just complained about the decline of the Ray wagon. There's a distinct difference between the two.

If you actually read the thread, you would know why I like Ray's wagon and wouldn't need to ask.

I know, that's why it's such an easy question. I want you to tell me why Ray is scummy and why you like his wagon. I don't know if you've updated your opinions. Opinions usually get updated in Mafia.

The way the question is asked, it seems as if you believe his claim.

Not at all. I think I worded my question as plainly as possible. Stop piggybacking on Green Crayons (thanks for spoon-feeding her an escape route, GC!) and take it for what it is. There's no indication of whether or not I believe his claim. Some players' stances tend to change after a claim of any sort. Other players' stances don't. I wanted to know why you chose one over the other.

Simple, I don't believe his claim. His playstyle before the claim was scummy at best, and, as GC said, scum has been known to claim everything. A claim won't fix that.

Hooray for answering my question.

"Why do you still want to lynch Ray?"

It wouldn't have been any better than my question. There was no reason not to be perfectly clear about the conditions involved.

Sometimes I don't find anything good to add;

You were asked a question. Cross that excuse out.

other times I just don't have the time or motivation to reply;

It was a very simple question. I doubt you couldn't muster the motivation for a two- or three-line answer.

other times I'm just reading in my spare time.

You made a post in another game.

Why is AGOTI a better lynch than RayFrost?

---

I agree with elvis about mikeburnfire. His VT comment was obvious role fishing. Why would he think to question that claim?

[crypto]

Unvote. Vote: mikeburnfire.

A player doesn't make a joke and then leave it hanging when no one questions it. His original VT claim was enough to restrict later claims.

[crypto]

What the fuck are you talking about?

RayFrost joking about his claim was a silly premise. You had no reason not to believe him.

Because if a cop investigates RayFrost and gets a guilty result, there is no way for him to counterclaim cop, miller, or some other bullshit.

We already knew that before you asked him to confirm/change his claim.

[crypto]

Unvote. Vote: Pomegranate.

This is a huge bucket of fail. Pomegranate spends a whole post going after elvis ... and then wagons on MBF, while admitting she had a town read on MBF.

[crypto]

Pom, what was stupid about the defenses you quoted?

If you don't like what elvis is up to ... do you really think she'd bus MBF like that?

[crypto]

I didn't read all the Spyre/MBF posts either.

[crypto]

Turkey sucks. Chicken is better. I hate Thanksgiving. It's always frigging turkey.

[crypto]

Psst. Make relevant observations.

[crypto]

Because I'm a moron.

[crypto]

One of the snow twins?

Bunny's activity is directly proportional to the degree of pressure on her.

[crypto]

You can expect me to be in a horrible mood for a few weeks now. Have a damn cracker, elvis.

[crypto]

That's correct, SpyreX. I am not posting any actual content at the moment.

Now that my only remaining game is full of lurkers I can devote more

rage

time to this one. Will probably do a reread tonight. Yay.

[crypto]

Whatever you like it or not, I will post WHEN I WANT. Not when you want. You don't know if I have enough time to post in all my games at once. You can't possibly know if I had some sort of Internet connection that prevented me from posting (this has happened me quite a lot of times, actually). You can't possibly know why I'm not posting, so stop bugging me over it! Go ahead and think I'm lurking if you want. That won't change the way I play. I rather not post in a game than make a weak post just for the sake of posting.

bug bug bug bug bug bug bug bug bug

So, lucky me for GC answering before me. I thought you believed Ray's claim, whatever GC's say it first or not. My stance on Ray hasn't changed because he hasn't made anything to change it. Or do you think he has acted protown lately?

Psst, Snow_Bunny, would you like to admit your bullshit now or save it for after I kill you? Hint: If you do it now there will be no such kill.

[crypto]

Oh, and what makes Ray's posts "overall bad"?

[crypto]

I thought that was the most legit comment in his post.

[crypto]

Therefore, policy-lynch.

Wait, no. Er—

[crypto]

Unvote. Vote: RayFrost.

Let's cut the shit and do the thing.

[crypto]

Oh, good timing.

So, are you going to kill me tonight, scum? Well, town, if I appear dead tomorrow you know who made the kill.

No, day-kill.

Why are you so sure there are three scums in the team?

[crypto]

Did I reply to thisx today, I meant to, fuck shit up or vice versa, vote ray, hes scum, as is AGOTI.

UNVOTE VOTE RAY GODDAMNIT

Does that count mod? I want a ray or agoti lynch, they are scum. But I do not deal in absolutes so I will make a diclaimer and say everything in this post is my opinion.

vote ray vote ray vote ray etc

ROFL.

[crypto]

Poro, you need to use Ray's full name.

[crypto]

No, first you need to unvote, then do it right.

[crypto]

Unvote. Vote: Pomegranate.

I obviously agree with Tajo and everyone else about her vote/wagon patterns. Shame there isn't more interest in punishing RayFrost for being a goof.

Mod, you have elvis_knits voting for two people (me and MBF). Iunno if it's intentional or not.

Vote count

Rayfrost(4): Green Crayons, mikeburnfire, crypto, Porochaz
Mikeburnfire(4): Spyrex, Elvis_knits, A girl on the internet, Pomegranate
Snow_bunny(1): Roflcopter, Rayfrost
A girl on the internet(2): Snow_Bunny
Pomegranate(1): Populartajo
crypto(1): Elvis_knits

Not voting (1): Snow white.

with 13 players, it is 7 to lynch

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GC is an odd duck. On one hand, GC is a mufasa replacement and I would shoot simply for that. On the other, I think the RF case they brought was genuine while wrong. However, I really don't like the snipe on crypto and the attitude that the RF case was the best thing ever to happen, ever.

Huh. I sort of chalked GC up as town the moment I saw his neat-bordering-on-OCD text walls.

[crypto]

There must be order amongst this chaos. That posting style is not indicative of my alignment.

Why did you say this?

[crypto]

Is that the only reason you were voting RayFrost? If so, why are you suddenly changing your vote when the wagon was building and RayFrost still hadn't responded?

The wagon wasn't building (I don't think ). But Pom's was.

[crypto]

In other news, pretty sure Snow_Bunny is scum now. I don't know about RayFrost, but I wouldn't mind

lynching

stabbing his eyes out either.

[crypto]

By the way, Snow_Bunny, who's your top suspect?

[crypto]

I can be said to be nothing if not a helper.

Unvote, Vote: Mufasa

Why did you wagon here, SpyreX?

[crypto]

I just love obvious scum who doesn't ever vote! Best way scum have to out themselves to town.

Will post for real tomorrow.

Very frustrated with RayFrost, to the point where I'm AT LEAST as willing to lynch him as Snow_Bunny or Pomegranate.

[crypto]

Vote: Snow_Bunny.

HOS: Ray.

He's at L-1. Not voting for him until he comes back. That said, I'm pretty sure he thought he was a lock for a lynch and was just dragging a townie down with him. *shrug*

Town

elvis_knits
SpyreX
Snow White
mikeburnfire
Porochaz
a girl on the internet
roflcopter
populartajo
RayFrost
Snow_Bunny

Scum

I don't how populartajo's end-of-D1 convo read. It feels contrived. Still high on Snow_Bunny scum read. Rofl's wagon was incredibly lame. And the middle of the list is pretty jumbled.

[crypto]

Tajo shouldn't be that low on the list.

[crypto]

Rofl is not playing the way I expected him to, by the way. If Ray is mafia, all eyes should be on rofl.

[crypto]

Tajo is middle of the pack, not really in my top three.

Rofl hasn't done much all game.

[crypto]

I can has hammer?

[crypto]

EK, scum.

Those reads are nothing but a bucket of WIFOM.

[crypto]

RF, you can't meta me. I don't have any scum games.

[crypto]

*wonders if he should be FOSing Spyrex for Ray's post in the Queue*

[crypto]

Was that a scum slip?

[crypto]

Lynching this quickly doesn't sit well with me, especially when I'm halfway out the door.

[crypto]

Yes.

[crypto]

What about me?

[crypto]

Seems like crypto wants his scum partner to get out of the lynch just like yesterday by wasting time and waiting for suspicious to rise somewhere else.

You are truly moronic and burdened with OMGUS. I am all for a Ray lynch, but I hate quick lynches as a rule and I'm not quick-lynching and then dumping responsibility for said quick lynch on my replacement.

[crypto]

Not only that, but populartajo explicitly stated that he would hammer in the morning. Moan and groan all you want, but there will be no hammer until his convo with Poro plays out. An impatient anti-information attitude is 100% useless for the town.

[crypto]

Seems like crypto wants his scum partner to get out of the lynch just like yesterday by wasting time and waiting for suspicious to rise somewhere else.

You are truly moronic and burdened with OMGUS. I am all for a Ray lynch, but I hate quick lynches as a rule and I'm not quick-lynching and then dumping responsibility for said quick lynch on my replacement.

Stop the name calling. If you need to do that in order to prove a point, then I wish to play no further with you.

It isn't name calling. Regardless, the same can be said of your hysterical misrepresentations and baseless attacks.

[crypto]

Snow_Bunny, roflcopter, tajo, Snow White, and AGOTI, list/spectrum of player reads, please.

[crypto]

Avatar ninja.

[crypto]

Tick-tock, Bunny.

[crypto]

Disturbing list.

Why can't this wait until tomorrow? Instead of giving scum an insight to other players' suspicions?

That objection hinges on an interesting assumption, mike.

[crypto]

No, the assumption that the players I listed were town.

[crypto]

Tajo

, why did you not vote/hammer Ray?

Same question to anyone who reads me as one of the top four town players. ->self reminder to be checking back on this.

1. Why do you ask?
   
2. I think I had you third or fourth. It was because outside one or two players I have very few solid town reads. The middle of my mental town-scum continuum is really muddled. It was a placeholder as much as anything, no offense.

[crypto]

Rofl, what do you think of MBF?

[crypto]

• populartajo

Considering how quick the wagon developed and how many people want to vote him, I think the plan was to have ray lynched and wifomize the playerlist in an attemp to muddy the waters.

This is sort of what I thought when Ray posted his list of suspects. He also did it during his convo with you right after he hammered Pomegranate: babbling about how you looked oh-so-town because of your "WTF-lame-L-1-lame-hammer-this-is-madness—

aaauugh

!" reaction. And then, lol, he didn't even mention you in his list of suspects. Remembering this makes me want to vote Ray right now . . .

Snow_Bunny, roflcopter, tajo, Snow White, and AGOTI, list/spectrum of player reads, please.

Pleeeaase?

---

• Snow_Bunny

I told you before, I'll answer after you answer my question. Why are you deliberately ignoring it?

Hiya, I completely forgot about that, sorry.

Die, Scum, Die

Recap for the Confused

Me:

In other news, pretty sure Snow_Bunny is scum now. I don't know about RayFrost, but I wouldn't mind lynching stabbing his eyes out either.

Bunny:

Your tunneling knows no end, I see. And how, suddenly, I'm pretty sure to be scum now?

Disclaimer: There wasn't a scum slip gimmick involved, so don't expect one.

I can overstate all I want.

Leave me alone! (sob)

Post that fires my blood lust. Can't be bothered to review all the other dastardly things Bunny has done.

So what do we think of the fact that as soon as we rallied a wagon on mbf he got really busy and will be unable to post until monday or something?

Need lynching:
mbf
Pom

Need vigging:
Ray
snowbunny

Need to stop lurking:
rofl
tajo
snow white

Why do I need to get vigged? I don't like PR directing, btw.

This makes my eyes bleed. PR directing? Seriously? Oversensitive to the point of contrivance. Elvis

clearly

wasn't PR-directing. She was conveying her stance on how you and Ray were playing compared to Pom and MBF. I can't believe you would interpreted that list the way you did. It's incredibly bland, sloppy, and shallow, and it just screams, "O hai, I'm scum groping for accusations! Beep! Beep!"

So, lucky me for GC answering before me. I thought you believed Ray's claim, whatever GC's say it first or not. My stance on Ray hasn't changed because he hasn't made anything to change it. Or do you think he has acted protown lately?

Psst, Snow_Bunny, would you like to admit your bullshit now or save it for after I kill you? Hint: If you do it now there will be no such kill.

So, are you going to kill me tonight, scum? Well, town, if I appear dead tomorrow you know who made the kill.

Broken rhetoric is broken. This is so fantastically vacuous it makes me all warm and tingly inside. Looks, feels, tastes, smells, and sounds like Bunny-scum (lol mental image . . .) is so ticklish/bewildered that she isn't sure how to react, i.e., she has nothing logical, concrete, sensible to respond with. Granted, town might feel the same, but I strongly suspect said town would react with something along the lines of "WTF? This is ridiculous,"

not

"WTF? You're so scum! [Grumble, something about night kills, grumble, grumble.]"

I think I may have figured out the scumteam. It's Ray Frost, and two of [Elvis Knits, Pomegranite, Porochaz]. Of the two, I'd say Porochaz has been the most town, so my initial assumption would be Ray-Elvis-Pom.

Why are you so sure there are three scums in the team?

Are we really resorting to these demands? Is Snow_Bunny so devoid of the ability to scum-hunt (er, fake scum hunting) that she's dishing out random "How dare you assume a three-player scum team!" even though this is essentially a mini setup? I can easily see three mafiosi plus a serial killer here. Either way, who gives a damn? This is all Bunny has to say? Really?

No way does Bunny-town make a post that contains no content other than chastisement about PR directing, crappy night kill rhetoric that doesn't involve any insight whatsoever, and grumbling about a player proposing a certain three-player scum team.

Hokay, Snow_Bunny, your turn!

[crypto]

We are dyskussing, Spyre.

[crypto]

I knew I kept you alive for a reason.

[crypto]

[1]

rub it in your faces /

[2]

throw in the towel

[1]

We all know what's going on here, Captain Obvious.

[2]

Wouldn't be surprised given it's Ray.

[crypto]

You know what, no. F this. Ray hasn't posted in this thread since Friday. He's given up. His list of suspects was going-down-in-lols WIFOM. His apparent town read on Tajo, which he proceeded to forget, was going-down-in-lols WIFOM. Anyone opposed to me hammering Ray tonight or tomorrow morning needs to speak up NOW. I'm not waiting.

[crypto]

[crypto]

I just reread Tajo's post.

Dont worry Ill still do it. Not today, seems there are a lot of questions and doubts and I really want all to have optymal night actions.

Hurry up, crap face.

[crypto]

crypto -> Tunneling on me is so scummy it's not even funny.

Holy OMGUS, Batman. I'm not tunneling. I'm well aware of what's going on with other players. I sure as hell am not going to say everything I think on day 2 of the game. Nice try.

By the way, you have five scum reads, one neutral, and three town. Is that intentional or are you just bad at basic addition?

[crypto]

And Snow_Bunny, you didn't answer my original question. Who is your top suspect (other than Ray)? In fact, I want you to rank me, Ray, AGOTI, rofl, and mike in terms of suspicion.

[crypto]

Oh, and tunneling isn't a scum tell. Doo-dee-doo.

[crypto]

I've gotten what I wanted today. Other things can wait (and they'll pretty much resolve themselves depending on the mafia's choice of night kill). If Tajo or anyone else who objects to an immediate lynch doesn't speak up by 6:00 PM (ET—two hours from now), then I'm dropping the hammer.

but so many people are dead set on RAY MUST DIE that i can't see him not bein lynched today, so you should probs just get on with it.

You don't let players get away with what Ray did. If he's scum, you're letting him off the hook (and promoting bad scum play). Even if he's town (1% chance), you're allowing him to play in a manner that expressly damages the town's chances at victory.

Plus, him going from Destructive Mindless Jerk mode to Super Lurker Jerk mode is extremely scummy.

[crypto]

Sigh.

Unvote.

Vote: RayFrost.

Da-dum, tish!

[crypto]

And Bunny gets dangled.

[crypto]

Rofl is using some of the worst argumentation I've seen in a while (on this site [lol, EM]). I don't get what's so awesome about this guy. I was unaware that supporting what proved a scum lynch but pursuing another target was a scum tell. I was also unaware that examining possible scum teams was a scum tell. Oh, yeah, and I'm a damn idiot scumbag for not knowing that you have a town role PM. Gosh, how dare I? You are the man and I should get on my hands and knees and lick the dung off your feet in remorse, roflcopter.

Er, wait a second. Something's wrong here. Rofl, what have you done this game? Oh, yeah. That's right. Nothing.

Actually. Meh. I apologize for the misrepresentation. You do deserve due credit for opposing the Ray lynch from square one and whipping up an hysterically useless vote for Tajo.

I'd still love to see Bunny's face in a noose. But given Ray's flip, I really don't like Snow White's hop in the mini MBF wagon at the beginning of yesterday on the grounds that his urge for a Ray quick lynch was bad. I think she was buying Ray time so he could get in his WIFOM analysis.

Regarding Tajo's post: +1 to just about everything.

Scum-O-Meter

[0.1] mikeburnfire
[0.2] Porochaz
[0.2] elvis_knits
[0.3] populartajo
[0.5] a girl on the internet
[0.7] roflcopter
[0.8] Snow_Bunny
[0.8] Snow White

FOS: roflcopter, Snow_Bunny.
Vote: Snow White.

[crypto]

Oh, yeah, and here are some delicious deliciouses from Snow White. Some pretty epic coaching and fence sitting.

Unvote Ray Frost

I need to read over crap, more people have come to light, for some reason Pom and AGOI have stood out to me and im in need of enlightenment. Post due by wednesday, thursday at the latest if people can wait that long.

Until then im going to oblige Crypto in the AGOI hunt and

Vote a Girl On The Internet

Lastly, and i really hope i dont end up with egg on my face with this, if RayFrost is ScumRayFrost, VT is a really shitty fakeclaim.

@RayFrost: Dont take the high and mighty ground on someone giving you the (temporary) benefit of the doubt. You just lost town points again for that reversal accusatory post.

ps/Id much prefer if Ray was left alive, for the minute (fight goddammit*providing yor town*!! You havent been tunnelledvisioned that hard have you?!?) why so resolute in you being the lynch dish of the day?

And of course, the MBF vote:

Hm. If i have not yet been replaced i will be reading up on things shortly. If i have. Oh well and good luck. I am humbly sorry about my unexplained absence things were hectic with family and access was severely restricted. Anyway, enough excuses.

Vote MikeBurnFire

Talk is good.

*if ive been replaced that vote obviously doesnt count and someone pm me so im not reading over pages for nothing.

Which is followed by a lack of talking on Snow White's part, though admittedly her posting style does seem to gravitate toward infrequent text walls, which is fine . . .

Snow White, I'm expecting some heavy content today.

[crypto]

Oh, I forgot something. Going back to this:

Unvote Ray Frost

I need to read over crap, more people have come to light, for some reason Pom and AGOI have stood out to me and im in need of enlightenment. Post due by wednesday, thursday at the latest if people can wait that long.

Until then im going to oblige Crypto in the AGOI hunt and

Vote a Girl On The Internet

Lollery. All of a sudden Ray needs less lynching and Pom and AGOTI need moar lynching. And she zombies after my vote. Go-Go Gadget Distract from the Ray Lynch!

/triple

[crypto]

ur not good at mafier

Um, no, that pretty much

has

to be built into my argument when your attacks are this ludicrous. Though to be precise I wouldn't say you aren't good at Mafia so much as in my experience your arguments are frequently ridiculous. It's hard to reconcile the two.

s i don't care wut u say

That's a full-blown mischaracterization. If I were that opposed to wasting time with you, then I would've scrapped the sarcasm and said so.

Your hollow retort as opposed to an actual rebuttal isn't helping, by the way, but I suspect you don't give a damn, so . . . meh.

[crypto]

tell me if you think thats a scum interaction between the two of us.

Oh, hi, looks like scum interaction to me. Soft distancing mixed with coaching? Yeah. There's even the slippery acquittal for good measure:

fair enough. i actually like your [Ray's] answer, but its the night before thanksgiving and i'm already drunk, so i'm gonna leave my vote where it is for the time being.

Prodding Ray for reasons with some half-hearted suspicion and then acquitting him and screwing around with whatever else isn't your Golden Ticket out of suspicion. It isn't exactly condemning, either, but it's scummy as hell.

I like where this wagon is going.

Unvote: Snow White.
Vote: roflcopter.

[crypto]

I don't have a problem with what Snow White actually says here—

Lastly, and i really hope i dont end up with egg on my face with this, if RayFrost is ScumRayFrost, VT is a really shitty fakeclaim.

—but come to think of it, can someone please explain to me how on earth Snow White–town would even

think

to say this?

[crypto]

Meh. In the one game I played with her, Snow White would go longish intervals without posting but then post good content. AGOTI seems to be in and out as well. Plus it's the weekend.

Also, I take back what I said in post 651. It's weird, but I dunno.

[crypto]

What am I doing wrong now?

Was that an OMGUS? *squints hard*

[crypto]

Oh, wow, instant text wall.

1. I lost interest in AGOTI after I posted my fail case, which I thought I was pretty clear about.
2. I believe I said repeatedly that I thought Ray was scum but that I didn't want to rush the lynch when I could take my time badgering SB. I hammered because I'd had enough with all the unfinished convos / unanswered questions.
3. I don't remember #3.

@crypto - what happened to you doing karate chops on SB every post? Do you think she's town at this time?

No, I think she's scum. I was letting her lurk as long as I could stand it while she continued to post in other games, so I could then rub it in her face to maximum effect.

I see she's posted. Her verbal bandwagon on rofl-scum and AGOTI-scum sentiments make me happy.

[crypto]

No, lol, Snow White, I didn't see your big post when I posted that.

[crypto]

Ok, let's point out Crypto scumminess.
-Jumping off Ray's wagon on D1 as soon as the opportunity rose.

Yup, me being one of the first people if not the first person to slam Ray only to dare pursue other targets is totally a scum move. Alas, I am caught.

-Constant attack on me, mostly reasonless (makes me think that he was attacking me because I was attacking Ray)

Fail. I don't need a million logical reasons. Your fundamentally scummy behavior is doing all the legwork for me. Anyway, see my iso. 104 for an example of concrete issues I take with you.

-Delaying unnecessarily Ray's lynch

Yeah, refusing to quick-lynch is truly anti-town. How foolish of me.

So, his scumminess is based on Ray's.

Fail.

Truth be told, I'm not much of a fan of scum-for-association (I think it can lead to many misunderstandings), but the points are noted.

Yay, you even admit your own opportunism.

Also, AGOTI is still scummier.

More bandwagon. Go, Bunny, go.

Bold is mine. This is driving me insane. Either Bunny's head goes through the noose or I get night-killed pronto, please.

Having some strong thoughts about rofl being town because of how Ray buddied up to him. Why would Ray go out of his way to put his teammate in the spotlight like that?

Then again, most of what Ray does is ludicrous, so whatev.

Unvote.
Vote: Snow_Bunny.

[crypto]

*what ray would do or wouldnt do is subject to a big greasy bowl of WIFOM dont you think?

I partly agree, but I do think it's worth noting.

Lastly if you dont mind my asking who else (apart from SB) do you find scummy? More to the point why?

1. Porochaz

3. Roflcopter

4. Elvis_knits

6. Populartajo

8. A girl on the internet

12. Snow white

13. Mikeburnfire

Process of elimination leaves you, Tajo, and rofl. I think lynching rofl or SB would help a lot with my Tajo read. A scum flip on either would make him look very town, whereas a town flip would warrant a long, hard scrutiny of his iso. I've gone over my beefs with you and rofl. I'm still really leery of rofl being lol-town because of Ray's crappy convo with him (I don't care about Ray possibly WIFOMing) way back around page 3 or 4, but rofl's posts looked pretty bad too. Also, at this point I'm less outright suspicious of you than I was before your summary/analysis ...

Meh. Ask again when it isn't midnight. -_-

[crypto]

Crap I knew I missed someone.

Yeah, chronic lurkers can do that to you.

[crypto]

Unvote.
Vote: roflcopter.

Hey, let's not play Mafia the way elvis is suggesting. Let's lynch the guy who's made awful cases, pursued the wrong suspects and otherwise done nothing all game, chatted with Ray, and now self-voted. I certainly wouldn't put it beyond roflcopter to self-vote as scum.

[crypto]

Which puts rofl at L-1.

[crypto]

What the fuuuck just happened?

How do you know we have the cop?

AAARRRRGHHHHHHHH WHY DID YOU CLAIM

unvote
vote: elvis_knits
unvote
vote: Snow White
unvote

/suicide

[crypto]

You know they say when the drink is in the truth comes out.

If she lives on the East Coast then she needs to rethink her life, because it's 2 pm here.

Vote: Snow_Bunny.

[crypto]

None of this changes the fact that Snow_Bunny is scum (and a lurker).

[crypto]

*yawn* Snow_Bunny.

[crypto]

Unfortunately, mike, that's just how roflcopter plays.

Snow_Bunny, she isn't as scummy as you are.

Roflcopter, they aren't as scummy as SB is. But I'll have to do a reread at some point to sort out their convo with you and EK.

[crypto]

Sorry for the absence, guys. Checking in. Will read up tonight / tomorrow morning.

[crypto]

if it's not prozac/mbf, i'd put rofl/crypto + elvis as insane cop as most likely.

but that scum team would already be screwed, so lol.

This snippet REALLY rubs me wrong, especially the boldface. *shrug* The rest of her post is unbearably shitty, to the point where I want to take the Too Scummy route, fallacy be damned. But AGOTI's bumped his/her/its way up to second place on my lynch list.

Some of Tajo's actions seem scummy to me, but Ray's convo with him day 1 struck me as Ray-scum and Tajo-town, not Ray-scum and Tajo-scum. Iunno.

Rofl's theory in post 798 is actually pretty good. I like it. Maybe mike is still ahead of AGOTI in the must-lynch department. Post 801 (mike) is a laaame response. "Well, to my credit, I . . ." a.k.a. "Yeah, I gotta admit I'm scum, but still . . ."

Snow_Bunny's 820 is lol in every way imaginable. I won't even bother to go into detail. Why has she not been lynched yet?

1. SB
   
2. mike
   
3. AGOTI
   
4. Tajo
   
5. SW
   
6. rofl
   
7. EK
   
8. Prozac

[crypto]

Nope, sorry, I won't waste my time with you.

[crypto]

Good. Dig your own grave.

[crypto]

IIRC, I've been suspicious of you since you derailed the Mufasa wagon at the start of day 1.

As for Porochaz, he's blindingly town.

[crypto]

I have posted myriad reasons for wanting to lynch her. Why do I have to reiterate

everything

just because everyone else wasn't paying attention until now?

[crypto]

Good point re: you. As for Porochaz, his posts just scream abrasive town. *shrug*

[crypto]

Mid-epiphany update, sorry.

Unvote.

[crypto]

What does everyone think of SpyreX's death?

In case that's too easy to dodge: Why do you jerks think SpyreX was killed?

[crypto]

Unrelated: For anyone who has experience with Tajo, does he post (minor) walls of text as scum?

[crypto]

Mike, that means it had little to do with Spyre's opinions, which is sort of lame for my fledgling theory.

mbf, Porochaz and myself were of interest to him regardless of Ray's flip

Are you sure it was regardless? I thought he meant that you three would be of interest to him

if

Ray flipped town.

Lastly Tajo if your seriously wondering what my mafia history is, its all on my wiki. Im surprised you wouldnt seriously think to look there were you inquizitive enough.

Now that you mention it, that sounds like filler babble from Tajo-scum.

This is my main account and i am quitting after this game.

Me too. But I've got this really sexy alt that I'm gonna start rofling with after this game and my other game are through.

[crypto]

Slap: Prozac.

[crypto]

I want each and every one of you to go through Snow_Bunny's iso. and tell me why she is not worthy of a lynch.

[crypto]

Not sure I've ever heard of a twelve-year-old who gets drunk this often.

[crypto]

Also, I think there's a fair chance we have a third party given the thirteen-player setup. Snow_Bunny's noncommittal play rings serial killer to me.

Y'all saw it here first.

---

If she isn't SK, ignore this post. I am still an incredibly smart person.

[crypto]

I want each and every one of you to go through Snow_Bunny's iso. and tell me why she is not worthy of a lynch.

I realize you're her scum buddy, but that goes for you, too, mike.

[crypto]

cba

Yer.

@Crypto. Why do you find mike suspicious? Or are you just being smartical? *confused face*

I'm just pointing out his failure to do what I asked. The majority of you seem strongly opposed to a Snow_Bunny lynch for no real reason.

None of you are babbling strong town reads on her, so what fucking gives? I find her posts excruciatingly scummy, every last one of them. I want to know why the hell you all find her town enough to warrant such stubborn opposition to my proposal of a wagon.

[crypto]

Hey, can I get an answer Crypto? On why I suddenly went from "not being considered scum" to "second most wanted"?

Didn't we already go over this? You've been moderately suspicious for some time now, and given elvis's claim you've gone up a notch over roflcopter. Like I said, my 2nd–4th suspects blend together when it comes to ranking how scummy they are; don't take 2nd place to mean "clear-cut 2nd place well beyond 3rd and 4th." You, Tajo, and SW are very close on my list because there are aspects that put each of you in doubt.

No, I don't have a strong town read on Snow Bunny, but I don't see definite scum in the same way you do. I see strong evidence of a Tajo-Ray-AGOTI trio. Who do you see as the third if Bunny is scum with Ray?

I'm not there yet. I usually don't put together teams until after a player flips scum. Scum hunting is, for the most part, little better than chasing shadows. Scum team hunting

is

chasing shadows, in my experience.

@Crypto. O HAR HAR.

inorite

The SK comment is ridiculous

Get off your lazy ass and do something useful for once.

The SK comment is ridiculous

Get off your lazy ass and do something useful for once.

What else do I need to say? I gave my thoughts regarding the cop issue. Also, just to add something, Crypto has like the worst read capabilities so far. Just pointing that out.

I love it when people pull the "crypto sucks; don't listen to him" card. Granted, I don't often see people with the stomach to pull it outside chat room Mafia.

[crypto]

Unvote. Vote: Porochaz.

[crypto]

Em crypto are you in the right game here or are you still drunk from the night before?

Do not attribute your own embarrassing faults to me, whelp.

Its a shame for elvis because both the players she is saying are innocent are suddenly playing terribly.

I'm really amused by how your judgment of my play is directly affected by where my vote is. "Suddenly"? So when I was sitting on my SB soapbox I was doing just fine? That's cute, because you clearly don't give a flying fuck about it. You had little/no reason to think I was playing any better than I am now. But when I vote for you, oh, man. Shit just got real. Your change of opinion with regard to the quality of my play sheds light on your interests:

You're not scum-hunting, you're just bitching out whoever expresses suspicion of you. And, yes, you're sitting very lazily on your vote for AGOTI, as I was sitting lazily on my vote for SB.

cryptos snow bunny iso tomorrow.

The hell with that. You will not refuse my demand and then request the same thing from me.

What happened from this post last page?

You are sitting on your pathetic FOSes. Sitting on your pathetic FOSes while flaunting the idiotic bad-ass faux pro-town badge gets you a vote.

---

How bout a

reason

My biggest reason is how you condemned the Mufasa wagon at the beginning of day 1. I found and continue to find that very scummy. That said, over the past few days your stubbornness is improving my read on you. I'm loath to follow rofl's vote for you.

Do you agree with AGOTI that I'm suspicious because nobody jumped onto my bandwagon?

No. That's absurd, and said absurdity is disturbingly unlike iamausername. The trouble I have with just dumping a scum read on AGOTI is that he's playing so suicidally. I think iamausername is pretty damn good at faking pro-town play when he's scum, so this jars my read on him.

Do you think he's scum with Bunny?

I

just said

I don't like formulating scum teams when I don't need to. I don't give a damn who's scum with who. I give a damn who's scum.

It was partly a frustration vote and partly a reaction test. I think it's great how Poro shits out some ridiculous bloodthirsty attack, then lurks, then pops back in when someone fires back just a little.

[crypto]

Mikeburnfire, my other beefs with you are (a) posts 585–589 and (b) Spyre's announcement that posts 585–589 were "BERRY INTERESTINGS" shortly before his death.

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Snow_Bunny Case

• Contrived syntax.
  
• Passive-aggressive faux scum hunting.
  
• OMGUSing me.
  
• Whining pettily about PR directing . . .
  
• . . . and all the other garbage that constituted iso. 14.
  
• Lurking, often only coming out of her lurker shell when strongly suspected.
  
• Sitting on the fence between RayFrost and a girl on the internet.
  
• Playing "I'll answer your question if you answer my question first" games when the questions are unrelated (IIRC).
  
• Iso. 19 is fantastic! Lo, the 20/20 hindsight, in which she declares Ray was the obvious lynch on day 1—wait a sec, wasn't she rolling the dice between him and AGOTI?
  
• While I'm at it, iso. 20 contains a delicious underhanded OMGUS directed at me.
  
• Egregious amount of fluff. Seems like every other post is a mini trash heap of half-hashed analysis.

  I still find SW and Poroz town. And, on light of that new thought, I can't say much on Tajo. There's something I don't like about his posts. Can't say exactly what it is. As someone else said, there's certainly a connection between him and AGOTI, but I would prefer first an AGOTI's flip in order to build a case upon that.

• This quote (from iso. 31) sings scum buddies with either populartajo or Snow White and Porochaz or AGOTI. Can't even tell which is most likely. It's all profoundly scummy in my opinion, like she's crawling on cracked ice. Back to the start of iso. 31, I don't like how she talks about how she's been all over AGOTI, then takes a feeble shot at rofl and elvis. She calls me town despite slamming
  OMGUS
  a scum read on me four posts up. Conclusion: rofl and elvis are the scum team (I like how she
  knows
  the team consists of three players, not four), but Tajo is also scummy. Go, go, spread that suspicion!

[crypto]

Also, I reread Tajo's iso. and I'm now officially on the figurative Tajo bandwagon. But I don't think he's buddies with AGOTI. I'll have to re-reread his iso. tomorrow.

[crypto]

By the way, guys, this—

What else do I need to say? I gave my thoughts regarding the cop issue. Also, just to add something, Crypto has like the worst read capabilities so far. Just pointing that out.

—is either a scum slip or (less likely) a statement by a townie who failed miserably to articulate with remote clarity her transition from a rock-solid scum read on me to a town read on me.

"Crypto has like the worst read capabilities so far." That does not apply to scum. As for the impending argument that this is simply an example of imperfect English, don't even go there. It's very clear what SB is saying here. It has nothing to do with the lucidity of her writing. Me having bad read capabilities requires that I be town. You simply don't say that about (potential) scum.

[crypto]

Unvote. Vote: Snow_Bunny.

Hop-hop-hop.

[crypto]

it would truly depend what she thought of you before doing that comment.

Doesn't matter. She clearly wasn't

sold

on me being town, so regardless it's out of place.

now that we are on it, crypto, what are your thoughts of agoti?

Null read, effectively. Flip a few posts back. It's somewhere in there.

[crypto]

I don't mean to say pairing as bad in general, but I think it's much harder than individual scum hunting, and it can warp reads on certain players to fit a false theory for elegance's sake.

Crypto, most of that stuff you listed against Bunny seems weak, but post 820 was pretty terrible, I must admit.

I disagree. I think it's one of the strongest cases I've seen this game. In a game with halfway competent players, there usually will not be blow-down-the-doors mega scum tells. Cases usually must be built on either subtle, ongoing, or slightly contradictory items. Of course the case is going to be weak, in a sense, but just saying it's

weak

weak without giving any explanation is lame and ultimately unproductive.

That said, why are you pairing Tajo and SB if SB isn't generally that scummy to you? I would say asking about deadlines is nothing but a null tell, so using that as a building block for the pairing looks inherently flawed.

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Oh, and that post makes mike the most pro-town player in the game at the moment. Forget second place.

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That is a boatload of stuff I either hadn't noticed or (more likely since I am genius who notices everything) forgot.

Frankly, the part I'm not sure about

is

her wanting to lynch AGOTI instead of Tajo, simply because she'd been pursuing AGOTI all along. But I agree that Tajo's gut-scum-read-on-the-backburner SB read is a common card scum try to play.

SB lynch doesn't look to be happening today. Natch, I don't agree about the strength of my case against her, but my view of scum tells seems contrarian to the majority's views on this site.

Unvote. Vote: populartajo.

Let's see where this sucker goes.

[crypto]

Im not scum and therefore all arguments based on this relationship are bs

Logic

win

!

[crypto]

English?

[crypto]

Did Tajo just get hammered?

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Heh, 20 years old, this site is not my life. I like getting drunk and yes, whilst that does lead to the scottish binge drinking culture and the behavour we are desperately trying to stamp out I do manage to post some sense from time to time unlike you who bounces round wagons like a shit ping pong ball and makes absolutely statements about SK's when there are absolutely no NK's to suggest otherwise. I think that vote was less to do with you finding me scum and more to do with me shitting over your retarded suggestion.

Characteristically, you missed the point. Don't come in here drunk every third post. Better yet, don't get drunk.

Maybe because when you were sitting on your SB soapbox, it was making general sense and I was interested in it. I also never said you were town. I just said you weren't playing terribly. However as I said I was paying attention to it, it wasnt like the horrible rofl-mbf case and I was interested to see how it played out. Having said that, you disappeared, SB never came back - my interest waned

Oh, this is cute. My SB case hasn't changed, and yet you're still accusing me of bad play. The fact that I went MIA for a day and a half and SB actually showed up for once changed your opinion is indicative of bad and lazy scum hunting on your part.

Yeah and I didnt see the reasons for it beyond you throwing a tantrum.

Are you serious, Porochaz? You throw a tantrum almost every post. Hell, you threw a tantrum at the mod, then went and made an MD discussion thread about it.

Actually no. Im asking questions that keep being ignored.

Fair enough.

This you misunderstood. I meant I will answer your snow bunny iso, today now. However Im glad your being so rude about it.

I'm glad you're being stubborn enough not to do it now, when you aren't doing anything else.

I dont have any FoS's I very rarely do. I have a vote which noone has convinced me that A. she doesnt deserve it (ie, going "look at that post, she's town, hur hur" DOES NOT COUNT) or B. that she has done anything in anyway to convince me otherwise. What the hell is the point in me changing my vote to a second wagon when there has been no evidence to the contrary to say my vote is wrong.

Whatever, I consider a vote an FOS. But, sheesh, this sounds like me.

So if Im get a little angry by a vote and telling me Im not doing anything forgive me because Ive invested more fucking time into this game than most others Ive been in recently and up until recently I was enjoying it. The fact that rofl and iam are ignoring my posts and now you, the person who has lurked a fair amount is now telling me that Im lurking and only comes in when someone attacks me is not just unfair, it is wrong and extremely hypocritical.

. . .

Please check my post history.

Denied, all of the above. I have posted 166 times. You have posted 100 times. Calling me a lurker is hysterical to the point where it just makes you look bad. Maybe if you weren't so fabulously drunk all the time you would get the basic numbers straight.

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Scum-O-Meter

[0.2] mikeburnfire
[0.2] Porochaz
[0.3] roflcopter
[0.3] elvis_knits
[0.5] a girl on the internet
[0.7] populartajo
[0.7] Snow White
[0.8] Snow_Bunny

[crypto]

That's all you have to say?

[crypto]

Unvote. Vote: elvis_knits.

Go for it.

[crypto]

Wait, no.

Unvote. Vote: populartajo.

[crypto]

I made one lightweight speculation about a serial killer. I'm curious at how people are closing in on it like vultures. I don't get why the SK doesn't exist.

I haven't flipped around my scum list like crazy. I'm pretty sure the only person I switched was mikeburnfire, because I didn't actually have much of anything against him. Rofl is looking more town than before. Pretty damn stable.

[crypto]

I get why the SK

probably

doesn't exist. I don't get why a third party doesn't exist.

[crypto]

It is a personal flame war. That's why I'm not responding anymore.

[crypto]

And I don't mean to sound self-righteous by that. -_-

[crypto]

F UUUUUUU

[crypto]

Do one-shot SKs exist?

[crypto]

I agree. I'm trying to save face.

[crypto]

Apparently Tajo is at L-1, rofl, so . . .

[crypto]

Damn it, I hate all of you saying things like "SB is not here" or "SB doesn't give her opinions" and that stuff. I might not post as much as you, but I try to post in a regular basis while giving my opinions. Maybe it's not enough for some of you, but I have given my thoughts. I don't like to be the type of player like crypto who seems to post much but in the end doesn't add anything new. I don't like to post just for the sake of posting.

I'm pretty sure you have under thirty posts. You post hardly any fresh analysis at all whatsoever. That's lurking.

/conversation

Some of you (specially the ones mentioned in it) think that my 820 is a terrible post. Why, exactly? I am considering one thing regarding this setup, and it fits perfectly with Elvis and one of Rofl and Crypto being scum. The theory of a Elvis-Crypto seems good enough, even more than Elvis-Rofl, and I am being more and more inclined to believe that Elvis is lying.

I explained why, genius. You said elvis and rofl, and that is a stupid, stupid, stupid idea until we have any info suggestive of an elvis-rofl pair. It does not fit the setup. There's a godfather and that implies a cop, and there has been no counterclaim. Her reports make sense. There are not two godfathers (so shoot me if there are). You did not say elvis and I were more likely than elvis and rofl. You emphatically said elvis and rofl were far more likely and I was very probably town.

Stop backtracking.

Why is this a scumslip? Because I am not sure that you are scum and that there's a chance you are townie with awful reading capabilities? I am town, and you'll learn that you really need to work harder on your scumhunting, if you are town. But as I am leaning to believe you are scum with Elvis, that changes everything.

You did not say you are "not sure that you are scum and that there's a chance you are townie with awful reading capabilities." You said, "You have awful reading capabilities." There was zero hesitation.

Stop backtracking.

Weak at best, tbh. What's exactly contrived syntax? Omgusing you? So, I must ignore all the horrible things you have posted just because you attacked me first? Seems more like you are angry because I drew attention to you.

Excellent job attempting (and failing) to rebut one point—the weakest, the one hinging completely on gut instead of reason and therefore next to impossible to advocate—and ignoring all the others. Syntax is a grammatical term. (Merriam-Webster is your friend for these matters.) I think the way you phrase things is scummy. E.g., "Top scummy is . . ." instead of "Most scummy is . . ." or "Scummiest player so far is . . ." In my experience, scum are more likely to do this than townies, simply because of heightened self-consciousness.

"TBH" is scummy, by the way. Don't use it.

[crypto]

Or we could just hammer Tajo, GTFO, and squabble over which of AGOTI, SW, and SB is scummiest again tomorrow.

I'm pretty sure iamausername has had access issues, though. He replaced out of my other ongoing game.

If Tajo gets lynched and if he flips town, consider a scum move by his buddy Snow White.

[crypto]

EWBOP: . . . AGOTI's buddy Snow White.

[crypto]

Why, elvis?

Snow White, that was a massive smiley-littered overreaction. I said, "Consider a scum move by AGOTI's buddy Snow White." I didn't say lynch Snow White. I didn't say lynch Snow White instead of AGOTI. I didn't say Snow White is more likely to be scum than AGOTI or Tajo.

But your post looks like you're expecting Tajo to flip town.

[crypto]

Also, elvis, thanks for getting an avatar I'm not completely humiliated to see on my screen every time I check the thread.

[crypto]

Awesome. Anyone else up for an SB lynch?

Underwear humiliates you?

Weirdo.

...

Uh—ah—er—

[crypto]

@Crypto. Yah i can get hesitant and neurotic as one approaches to the lynch. There are few i hang onto and more i wish i had but i doubt i will be changing my mind on tajo unless pressed to do so.

I do that too.

So what did you mean "consider a scum move by AGOTI buddy SW?"

Trying to beat out the wagon on AGOTI with a new vote on Tajo. But you're right. You've been all over Tajo for a while now.

Aw!! I loved Elvis's old pic. *sniff*

[crypto]

Woohoo.

Unvote. Vote: Snow_Bunny.

[crypto]

Lol.

[crypto]

Okay, I just want to fricking hang someone.

[crypto]

Oh, hai. If that was a lynch then AGOTI is in for it.

[crypto]

[crypto]

Yay math.

[crypto]

Quantity=/=quality.

You post hardly any fresh analysis at all whatsoever.

Why is it stupid to think that Elvis may be lying? Do you have inside info that she is telling the truth? For all I know and care, she may be scum lying. A godfather existing doesn't necessarily means there's a cop. There's a reason this is a themed game rather than a normal. Elvis-rolf, Elvis-crypto, I don't know. But you see a common factor, right?

The common factor is that you are going down an impossibly unlikely road.

[crypto]

Directing that to me or her?

[crypto]

Commence pre-lynch anxiety. Why would SB-scum fight this hard against elvis? Should we keep her alive and instead go for Tajo or even AGOTI for the sake of her POV?

Second question is not related to the first.

[crypto]

Short answer: I agree. Slightly longer answer: I want to say she's scum, but what she's doing here is so ridiculous it baffles me into second-guessing myself. In my experience, scum are almost never this gutsy with their fake reads. I'm going to feel like an idiot now if she flips town after all this. And her theories adds an extra dynamic to the play, which we can return to calling scummy later on; Tajo's don't all that much. Lastly, I'm considering—and this is pure speculation, so let's not fight—that you really are scum and you're trying to get rid of her.

It all makes me think a Tajo lynch is (a) safer and (b) smarter.

[crypto]

I hope you get lynched soon.