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[Seraphim]

Both Rai and Data appear to be scum to me.

Seeing as rereading is for chumps, I have decided not to.

cateraction, why do both Rai and Data appear to be scum?

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Alright, now here's an interesting idea.

Can someone on the wagon of Raivann outline the case on Raivann?

Can someone on the wagon of Datadanne outline the case on Raivann?

So far, based on what has happened on this page, Bogre is scum. Feel free to ask me why though it don't know if it's important to either warrant a vote or be a point of contention.

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Whoops.

EBWOP: Can someone on the wagon of Datadanne outline the case on Datadanne, not Raivann?

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Vote: Bogre

A read in iso seems to ring, ring with scum intentions.

[Seraphim]

I will post a full case for Bogre when I get back from visiting colleges.

I also eagerly await the results of the daykill.

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I really don't have time to go over everything but that would honestly be a massive waste of time for all parties involved. A post-by-post analysis is really just a scum cover for lots of text with no real content that no one really reads anyway. So, I'm going to focus on specific players that ping my scumdar. A full Bogre case is as follows(please note that all quotes are from Bogre unless stated otherwise):

Saying 'whooo dead scum' like Jordan did is indeed one of the pretty good scum-tells.

No, it's a mediocre scumtell at best. Sorry, just though I'd point this out.

Data: WTF speculating about a jester ? This is a bastard mod setup- any speculation day 1 about jesters will likely result in headaches and wasted time at the best. Plus....why is he 'obv a jester?

Do you know how easy it is to get people lynched based off of possible jester speculation? It's hilariously easy which is why I'm very suspicious of this comment as it looks like you're setting up for an easy Data lynch.

I don't think in this situation its strong enough to warrant a vote. I mean, he's a new player and I can easily remember wanting to cheer for that stuff when I was new.

You've just contradicted yourself, BTW. If it's one of the strong scumtells but that's negated by him being new...why point it out? This looks like back-pedalling.

To Faraday: I think X meant 'attentive' as in checking the game often. I just think Jordan is really excited to be playing.

Now you're defending another player for no reason. X and Bogre scumteam?

Oh, and then he votes Data. I'm not sure how this fits into the context of the game, let me check...ah yes. After there's a fairly strong wagon on him.

Hmm...yeah, Bogre looks like he's been cruising almost all game. I wouldn't rule him out as a major contender for scum but an obv scum just caught my eye during that iso read.

Why hello there Malcolm! I think there's enough in the posts you recently made attacking me with pure, undiluted bullshit.

How useless.

Rather than saying my posts are useless, you could make a post detailing why my post is useless. After all, I'm actually attempting to gauge reactions and figure out exactly why the following players are scum from a player who stated that those players were scum.

And you are probably third scum. Like seriously, we can't do all the work for you. Townies have to scumhunt.

You are hilarious. Why am I scum? There are no connections here that link me with any of your current suspects. Plus, HAVE YOU EVER considered that I might not have time to read the entire game? That I might actually have a life? Asking for a summary of a case on someone is not scummy and until you can prove otherwise, this looks like some serious vote placing and attacking the replacement for an easy lynch. You make me laugh.

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As for Sociopath's flip...not surprised, honestly. A good use of a day vig though honestly a Data or a Mufasa vig would have beeen better.

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Seraphim have we not already discussed why I am a bad day vig/lynch for today? I have no way to find out any of my missing information unless we move to night. I do know I am alligned with the town. I find your comments to be scummy, but data I'd like information from you.

vote: data

Sorry, this was based merely on my past meta of you. Also, please don't forget that I haven't read the game.

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I can only vote for one person at a time, obviously. I still feel Bogre is more scum than Malcolm and my assessment of Malcolm is based solely on those few posts. I obviously want to see a response to see if it's worth to read him in iso.

I'm sorry you're not feeling my case but there's not much I can do about that besides insisting that he's scum.

My meta on Mufasa's is that he's a mostly useless player who makes roleclaims hilariously early that may or may not turn out to be true. Still, I did look back and I guess keeping him alive is alright.

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Malcolm's bullshit case against me and calling me the third scum would generally be enough for me to vote him. However, because I've already got my vote on Bogre, I'm getting a much scummier gut read from Bogre, and because Malcolm may just be abrasive town(I've seen it before), I'm willing to give him a benefit of a doubt.

Yes, Data and Mufasa would be ideal policy vigs as opposed to SocioPath, though I don't know exactly what the reasoning behind SP's vigging was and Mufasa has some sort of weird role so I'm not going to say it was a big vig...

Data has a history of terrible play and lurking, even more so than Mufasa. Mufasa has improved since, I think, but Data, from what I've read, has not.

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Col.Colhart, Are you an unlimited shot dayvig?

This is a terrible question. Col.Colhart, DO NOT answer this question.

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Does it matter, Scum kills him anyway....

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Unvote
Vote: Datadanne

Honestly? Seriously?

No, this isn't true. If he is a one-shot and therefore useless, the scum might not target him. Not to mention that scum might not target him anyway because people might be protecting him.

This is not information that the scum should know right now and you want to give it to them.

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My bad ya data is a lurker more than me thats pretty bad. But I am improving, with more time to dedicate.

unvote vote data

Wait, what? Why are you voting Data? Because he lurks more than you?

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That would have been nice to earlier. Just making sure we're on the same page...

[Seraphim]

I said Malcolm was obvscum because I tend to exaggerate. Votes speak far, far louder than words in this game.

Does Data want to grace us with a claim as he is now at L-2?

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Col.Colhart, Are you an unlimited shot dayvig?

Does it matter, Scum kills him anyway....

So why ask if scum will kill him anyway?
Also, I'm pretty sure that there's a question aimed at you about your jester-comment. When will you stop dodging it?

And when he claims, he should answer this^^

I agree with Zazie.

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Unvote
Vote: Bogre

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Mod: does the unvote in 551 count? Because I'm fairly sure that Faraday just unvoted.

[Seraphim]

I really want to hear Malcolm and Bogre weigh in on the latest events.

I am also all for Datadanne self-vigging himself tonight.

[Seraphim]

I am also all for Datadanne self-vigging himself tonight.

No.... no no no no no no.

People who ask people to do this are just wrong. There are practically zero situations where it is the pro-town thing to do. Asking a vig to kill themselves to me is a scumtell since you are controlling the kill, and you are getting rid of useful town.

Except that Data is useless and I don't believe his claim at all.

And if it's a scumtell, why aren't you voting me?

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Hmm. Alright. Now for my second question.

Why did you single me out when numerous people have called for Data's self-vigging?

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Hmm. Alright. Now for my second question.

Why did you single me out when numerous people have called for Data's self-vigging?

You were right above me, easy to quote

So, alright. Third question. Would you be adverse to any person's lynch that has called for Data's self-vigging?

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I am also all for Datadanne self-vigging himself tonight.

Why didn't you bring this up sooner?
Also, do you disagree that Data screwed himself up by claiming vig if he's scum?

I clearly thought about it first. We were having the "what should we do with Data the vig?" discussion. I can bring it whenever I want, is there a problem?

Also, Data will be dead within the next few days. We'll either end up lynching him or he gets NK'd, I guarantee it. If he's not scum, scum will be gunning for him.

Not to mention that there are better people to protect tonight.

I agree that "Data's self-vigging" is not the correct lynch.

Does anyone else feel something wrong in this post? It's like he jumbled all the opinions together. Maybe...hmmm...hey, Tjoe, is English your first language?

fishythefish really backtracks on his position from 553 to 569 with little or no reasoning. Why the change, fishy?

Also:

However, Data claims to have killed scum. That means that he is not part of the scum faction, and is very likely either vig or SK.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. You're wrong. What if he's lying? What if he's scum and actually killed the town people? You don't know this for sure.

Seeing as rereading is for chumps, I have decided not to.

You're kidding right?

Psh, hell no I'm not kidding. Reading, as stated in this quote, is for chumps. Who reads? Not me.

Who did?

context FTW. I was talking to Llama, are you reading the game or just quoting posts?

I am considering voting Llama as I seem to have some weird idea in my head about him being smarter than this usually. Fishy is either complacent town or scum and I'm leaning for scum ATM.

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If data = SK, can we ask him not to kill at night?

This idea might have some merit to it but only if Data is scum. This would prevent the scum from killing if they wanted Data to stay alive.

But, I dunno. I am just very worried with Data being in control of a kill.

[Seraphim]

What if there's two scum factions? What if it's an elaborate scum gambit? There are so many possibilities here that you can't know for sure that Data isn't scum until the flip. In fact, you seem so positive that he's not scum that it might actually be a scum slip to that regard.

Time to iso read and I'll get back to you.

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My main reason for thinking we are in one faction is that he was revealed as simply "mafia", not "x mafia"...

Scum slip is scum slip and I'm not willing to dismiss it out of hand especially coupled with your assertion that Data is definitely NOT scum.

@Seraphim : no. I'm English is my secondary language

This is what I thought. I currently have no suspicions on you. Sorry for taking up your time.

Tjoe min ja, Please use capitals at the start of your sentences, Also, Try to spell properly.

*face-palm*

Please explain how that's an answer to my first question....
And yes, there might be something about it depending on your answer.

I don't know if I have a real answer because I'm not completely sure what you're asking. I posted when I posted because I got on, thought about it, and decided that I liked the idea because I, as stated earlier, do not like Data in control of a vig.

Don't see how you see that he jumbled all the opinions together.

I worded this terribly and meant something completely different. The way he was wording things was weirding me out and made me think of him just agreeing with everything that's been said...but it's because english is his second language.

If this is the case, guess what would happen the next night.

I don't pretend to know what the scum team is thinking. Neither should you.

In other words, the question is:
'Who else called for Data self-vigging?'

Ohhh...I thought you meant "who are you referring to?" This is different.

Players who mentioned it as a viable option or could be seen as mentioning it as a viable option are:
Faraday
and Fishythefish

Hmmm. This was not as many people as I remember. Oh well. My point still stood that he called me out instead of the other two players who posted even if my original post was somewhat of an exaggeration.

Woah, tonight? Let's not be hasty. What you just said is pretty scummy.

Yes, tonight. I don't like Data in control of a kill, he got lucky once. If he's going to self-vig, tonight is the night.

My possible scumlist:
- Bogre
- LlamaFluff
- Malcolm
- Fishythefish

I'm not calling for all of these people's lynches but these are people I'm really considering voting right now. I am voting Bogre I suppose, but that's because he has barely even touched my case on him.

POST BOGRE POST.

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Sorry for the absence lately. Real life has been a pain in the arse lately.

Post tomorrow for sure, I don't have a whole lot to catch up on, I just want to collect my thoughts.

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Why the Zazie quicklynch attempt?

I am very confused.

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Also, I don't doubt there's a cult in the game but could Spyre be scum gambiting...hmmm...

Not sure what to think at this point.

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Of course Day Vig doesn't end the day, we proved that yesterday.

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It sounds like modified traitor to me.

also,

FoS: Whoot1234

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Um, unless this game is more bastardy that I thought, I am not even a PR. I'm a vanilla townie, guys.

I'm definitely not cult in no way, shape, or form. Any day vig will be a waste of a day vig. I am slightly suspicious of Fishy's weak claim but I am even more suspicious of all the players who want me dead based on a non-definite guilty.

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So, with that mostly out of the way, why the Zazie quicklynch attempt?

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Mod: V/LA until Monday

I am sorry for any inconvenience.

[Seraphim]

Wow, I don't even need to read the game to see the obvious answer here.

Unvote
Vote: Datadanne

[Seraphim]

Vote: Datadanne

[Seraphim]

Eek.

So, why hasn't Data been lynched yet?