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[SpyreX]

Sup. I'm a replacement that gave this game a good hard skim.

Allow me to eludicate:

Data is not the right lynch (could be SK, whateves)
LLama is townTM
Zaz is bussing X.
I get all giddy when I get to hammer.

Which leads us to:

Vote: X_~

[SpyreX]

If X is scum. Probably.
If X is a goon. Definitely.

[SpyreX]

Gladly. (This is the rough draft I'll go into the full detail later when its not football day).

You have Zaz post-spamming for pages putting suspicion on X under fairly week circumstances. As other avenues are explored this one is always sitting there waiting to be poked at - and then, ultimately, X opts to go the self-sacrifice route mentioning Zaz (but not by name thats too obvious) as a suspect.

Yea. The interplay with that whole voting scenario was something else.

I was ALSO going to say that it is very unlikely that any other mafioso from that group (if there is multiple) were on the wagon. However, it should be fairly apparent now that is the case.

So, yea:

Vote: Zaz

As an aside we have a totally different worry that needs to get dealt with:

My role

really

makes me believe that we are, additionally, dealing with a cult.

Events that happened to me last night further that belief.

[SpyreX]

If he is screwing with me he is doing a real, real good job with it so I'm leaning on there actually being a cult. (Hint: My win condition is not, but ALMOST the same as the one in the OP)

So, yea, I'd bet ohh... 95% chance of cult with a small chance of ?.

[SpyreX]

Now, I know this is going to sound a little weird but: I'm not sure if Zaz is the right call right now.

Keep in mind I'm pretty damn positive Zaz is scum but allow me to with the magic of paraphrasing explain why I think we need to find the cult NOW and get rid of it:

I am a strong townie. Even with the bad nightmares and everything else going on I had the power to keep dreamland going etc, etc. (and weirdness in my wincon I didn't pay attention to until today started).

But, I didn't have any powers that I saw.

Until last night when a monster tried to grab me and

go with him

and I pulled free and ran away.

So, yea. Considering we had kills there is a cult. They were unsuccessful last night. Which means at MOST we are dealing with two.

However, in this situation the scumkill (considering we've had 3 killed) might even be BETTER to have than to get rid of until this is dealt with.

[SpyreX]

Yea, but crippling the cult when we've had multiple NK's NEEDS to happen or we're trading stomping scum for losing to cult (under base mechanics if the lynch and 2 NK's we're seeing (assuming not killing Zaz) even with my business we'd be looking at 10-non cult 3-cult which is NOT an easy position to recover from)

[SpyreX]

I'm not sure about Zaz. If he was bussing X, then he was doing it DAMN heavily, and right from the moment he replaced in, which just doesn't makes sense to me.

I think its funny looking at the yin versus the yang. I found it that much more likely BECAUSE it was so heavy and early on, really, not a lot.

Your dayvig is a double-edged sword. Ultimately we NEED you to (I have to assume that if culted you're not keeping PR's because... yea) to prove that you haven't been culted.

However, if you hit not cult then thats one step closer to failure.

I could see Ravinn cult-leader over Mufasa. Although I do need to go back and look and see if there was any out-of-place defense of Mufasa that could have been a n0 recruit.

[SpyreX]

There's a guilty on you?

Did I miss something entirely?

[SpyreX]

SpyreX, please explain why you voted X_~.

To take a page from the gospel of DGB - who am I to stand in the way of a good bus?

His whole give-up post with the insinuation of you being a bad bad boy without naming you put it over the top:

I'm at L-1...q-q

But I can still help.

Well, I suggest looking at who voting me by agreeing on what someone else said. That's a scumtell.

Who made attacks but didn't follow through.

I have no idea what my alliance is since my pm was messed up and it was "lost". I supposed to be helped by you guys in figuring out my alliance T_T
I hope my alliance get announced once I am lynched so at least you guys have information to work with.

I started this game very enthuasiastic, but am not used to this pace. Been having problems irl so I am really busy. Everything is starting to get sorted out though.
I think my lynching will help the town far more than me staying alive.

GO TOWN!!!

Not to mention the whole tri-way bussing going on (which, I think makes X a genius versus a crazy) - after looking at that no way would I have thought cat was scum as well. So, sacrifice one to make the others look good in a classic yin-yang is p sweet.

Please point out why you saw it as weak.
Also, if you saw a case I've supported as stronger than the X_~ case, which is it and why?

Go ahead and make it in a nice single spot (which is phase one of my issues with it) and I'll show you the major issues.

The big one is the "gut" then "reasons" THEN "more gut" with it - once the gut is held up by reasons jumping back to "gut" well.

As for "stronger" - I never said you had a strong case on anyone. You used more WORDS for X than you did others but it doesn't change that they were all sniping bidness hiding this manuever.

Can you elaborate on this?

I have a qualifier in my wincon that makes it clear I'll

always

win with the town.

SpyreX, when looking at your posts, it seems you have the impression there are 4 mafia members. If so, how come?

Welll, its either 4 or more or 2-2 split without flavor differentiation unless you're telling me LF was a town kill.

Also, SpyreX, if you think I'm not the way to go, why do you still have your vote on me?

MAY not be the way to go. We have a vig shot. THAT should be aiming for cult. If we hit the leader then you're dead to rights.

[SpyreX]

This is absolute conjecture but considering the rolename I HAVE to assume that he was over-the-top trying to claim doc to force a NK that he would have avoided.

Or he's insane. Take your pick.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX, please tell me why you think X_~ mentioned me with this:

Who made attacks but didn't follow through.

Because, you didn't? As that whole wagon went up you were just poking at the lynch. I really don't want to have to go through the volley of posts to further eludicate this but if I have to I will when I have time.

You were skating on that lynch and X's whole last post reeked of you being the one he was talking about.

The big one is the "gut" then "reasons" THEN "more gut" with it - once the gut is held up by reasons jumping back to "gut" well.

You started out on X under the guise of "gut".
THEN you posted some rationale for him being scum.
Now, this was the point when I went "slam dunk bus" was when you went BACK to adding in additional "gut" for said lynch.

As for "stronger" - I never said you had a strong case on anyone. You used more WORDS for X than you did others but it doesn't change that they were all sniping bidness hiding this maneuver.

You haven't had a strong case on anyone. You've been volley-posting with suspicions that you let simmer and then came back to the X as it gained momentum.

Please paraphrase your wincon.

[quote"A few posts up"]I have a qualifier in my wincon that makes it clear I'll

always

win with the town. [/quote]

Also, my point was that it seems you're convinced that there are exactly 4 mafia members. Your response makes me think this even more as you stated a '2-2 split'. So how come?

Keep on keepin' on.

Welll, its either

4 or more

or 2-2 split without flavor differentiation unless you're telling me LF was a town kill.

I'm not convinced there are exactly 4. Far from it. I am convinced there is STILL mafia left which means either a split or at least 4.

The 2-2 split is simply that a 3-3-Vig-Cult would be balls to balance in any fashion in 20.

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I don't even know what to think about Tjoe and Data's little snipe when whoot all but beat us over the head with the fact he's the cop.

@Data:

I may have missed it if it was brought up - what was the rationale for the cat kill?

[SpyreX]

I could really see Rai, personally.

Needless to say I'm going to gamble that a.) cults aren't going to keep PR's and b.) even if culted CC would be a huge risk to scum - so I am NOT going to push a dayvig lynch well...ever*.

So, CC pretty much HAS to kill each day - thats my basic cult/no cult litmus test.

Data's awesome explanation for his killchoice is awesome.

[SpyreX]

Well, no killin Zaz right now then.

Unvote

I need to go look for some weird ties. Double cops and the whole 100% business may be another avenue of persuit.

[SpyreX]

Ahh so Zaz is a rolecop. Awesome.

[SpyreX]

Are you using some kinda "scum = not town" business or do you think he is mafiate scum in said vote?

[SpyreX]

Lets be clear:

You think Bogre is
a.) Mafia
b.) SK
c.) Cult

[SpyreX]

The level of activity here is poor. We want a lynch today, and Zazie is not the right lynch.

It should be noted that if Spyrex is telling the truth (and if he's not there's no reason to think there's a cult), there was no culting night 1, so arguments which rely on people's play changing today are bad.

I approve of this.

Look at this post. After you've done that, state the above again. If you can state it without admitting afterwards that it's not true, you didn't check the links.
My main suspicions came from those posts. Add then that he did everything he could to avoid them and lied about it as well. Then came some suspicions from posts he made later on. Between these suspicions, there are some bits of gut.

Yea I'm just making stuff up WOOSH

Iso 9 - First reference of "gut"
Iso 19 - Reasons for not liking X
Iso 20 - Reasons for the X being scummy.
Iso 28 - Back to gut
Iso 32 - Back to reasons
Iso 45 - An actual vote!
Iso 110 - "Still waiting for X to show up" (yea, no real mention of X between these two points).

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If that series of questions in your link is your power case that somehow is supposed to nullify the the gut / reasons / gut dance well swish.

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Why bring up that you think Whoot is a powerrole?

When someone beats you over the head with the fact they are the cop and then gets votes almost immediately it warrants notice. Considering he SAID he was a power role (and one comes to mind) I give double applaud to the pointed attempt to accuse me of rolefishing here.

[SpyreX]

Why is that the obvious answer in this setup?

- Do I believe SpyreX?
--- Yes: Look for cult.
--- No: Lynch SpyreX

The SK (outed by the mafia) is NOT going to be the cult.

[SpyreX]

Seriously, stop feeding the SK.
The chances of that being a double bus for Tjoe are minimal (and, again, even if that is the rationale that is NOT THE RIGHT ONE FOR THE LYNCH TODAY).

Actually, I'll go into more detail later but I think we can nix some serious names from the list for who cult leader cuold be:

BloodCovenent
Bogre
Faraday
Mufasa
Seraphim
Tjoe Min Ja

Now, I don't remember who the cops have claimed innos on (I'm tired and about to go to the dentist) but if they are in the above I'd safely say remove them as well.

I'll explain in detail. That list has the right lynch for the day.

[SpyreX]

So it was Sera for you fishy, thats right.

BC
Bogre
Faraday
Mufasa
Tjoe

^ HERE BE DRAGONS.

Unvote, Vote: Faraday

The kicker is the push for a lynch on Tjoe under the grounds that he'd be scum when we've damn well went over this.

[SpyreX]

Tjoe is probably scum.

Read him in iso. He doesn't vote untill like page 9, fos's X then follows up w/ a vote but gets off onto whoot for putting X @ L-1 (that's not scummy)

X where are you post (iso 32) looks like him trying to prod a scumbuddy to get active to avoid being lynched.
Today he votes whoot who was clearly making sure it was known he was a cop and votes me for no reason despite not really mentioning me before now.

This guys probably scum of some sort, not sure what.

Most likely mafia, mebbe.

Seriously?

Oh whoot is the other person. He's town.

Again:

If you believe SpyreX: this is terrible.
If you think I'm lying: you should be voting for me.

This is NOT looking for cult (which is exactly what I expect cult to be doing).

[SpyreX]

Not accusing you of rolefishing. I'm accusing you of pointing out who you think a powerrole is. In the offchance that scum didn't catch it, you revealed it. There's no reason in pointing it out unless there's a lot of suspicion on him that he may get lynched.

I'm never going to bank on the scum being that functionally slow (as in this case it would have required NOT READING WORDS).

Thus, the reactions were worth mentioning.

[SpyreX]

The idea was, hopefully, that I'd draw a cop or track and then start killing again. I was pretty sold on Data being SK but the moment he didn't take a shot at CC I knew better.

Data gets MVP. I'd love to know what made you decide those kill choices.