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Its not what you do its how you do it.Head_Honcho wrote:
How do you mean? It looked like he was just trying to respond to points being raised against him.Empking wrote:Vote: LC
LC seems to me, to be too quick to judge and his reaction gto Tar makes me think he'll attack anything.
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He chose to hammer the likely cop but is now claiming to have hammer'd a guilty investigation.hasdgfas wrote:
could you explain how that is "trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the cop"?Empking wrote:
The "I thought he was a Day-Cop with a guilty verdict.)hasdgfas wrote:
any elaboration here? I'm not quite sure what you're referring to.Empking wrote:Vote; Percy- For trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the town cop.-
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He had a believable claim made stronger by the Elan claim.hasdgfas wrote:
"likely" cop? How was he "likely" cop?Empking wrote:
He chose to hammer the likely cop but is now claiming to have hammer'd a guilty investigation.hasdgfas wrote:could you explain how that is "trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the cop"?-
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(Apologies for quotetree)Empking wrote:
He had a believable claim made stronger by the Elan claim.hasdgfas wrote:
"likely" cop? How was he "likely" cop?Empking wrote:
He chose to hammer the likely cop but is now claiming to have hammer'd a guilty investigation.hasdgfas wrote:could you explain how that is "trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the cop"?
Wait, you're saying that qwints' claim made you think L_C wasmorelikely to be a cop?-
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Elan being the only cop would be unlikely.delathi wrote:
What? How?Empking wrote:
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(Apologies for quotetree)Empking wrote:
He had a believable claim made stronger by the Elan claim.hasdgfas wrote:
"likely" cop? How was he "likely" cop?Empking wrote:
He chose to hammer the likely cop but is now claiming to have hammer'd a guilty investigation.hasdgfas wrote:could you explain how that is "trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the cop"?
Wait, you're saying that qwints' claim made you think L_C wasmorelikely to be a cop?
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How?Korlash wrote:
... That doesn't mean a counterclaim Strengthens his claim. That's just backwards logic however you look at it.Empking wrote:Elan being the only cop would be unlikely.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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When did I say he was more likely to be a cop than qwints?Korlash wrote:Because a counterclaim usually makes a claim less believable. In a situation like this, where you may believe there are more then 1 cop, that does not make the opposite true. In a hypothetical situation, LC could still have been lying when qwuints countered him. A second cop may not have chimed in yet or felt it unnecessary to claim. By your thinking (That only one cop is unlikely) in no way makes LC's claim any stronger, as he claimed first and under pressure he could still be scum lying. Qwuints on the otherhand should have been strengthened because he was the one actually doing the countering. I find it weird that out of the thinking that it would be unlikely to only have one cop, you would call LC the more likely cop out of the two.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Percy: As the point of making Elan a cop is naive speculation.
FoS; Korlash- For Lying.
I think Muf is town and I'm getting a newbie read on him. i think Tar knows what he's talking about so I'd like the flavour of his protect.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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I think Tar knows what he's talking about is the reason I want it. I think he has a reason and I don't think he'd make the gambit if he's scum.Fishythefish wrote:FoS: Empking, for shifting responsibility onto Tar (particularly since i think what he's asking for is antitown). "Tar knows what he's talking about" is an unacceptable reason to want a flavour claim. Even if you think Tar makes decisions perfectly, he could be scum. Why do you want the claim?
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Hitman being a mafia who can kill past doctors and RBs is the MBF definition.Tarhalindur wrote:
Uh, no, since he was death-revealed as Mafia Hitman and the Hitman I'm used to is defined as a neutral role.roflcopter wrote:first, does no one else understand what korlash's role, mafia strongman, is? it meant he could kill through protection.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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The people who find your attacks on Tar very scummy.Percy wrote:"Everyone"? Just who is "everyone"?
Oh, I forgot, you're Empking, and you don't answer questions.
Don't let this guy survive to endgame, guys. A dead Empking is a good Empking.
What question haven't I answered? (This is like the third/fourth time I've asked you that now.)Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Speaking for myself, I'm not voting Percy because I see no particularly compelling reasons for doing so, and my instincts are firmly that he is town.Empking wrote:Why are people not voting Percy?
Maybe its just me but recent posts don't seem to be that useful to the town.
More to the point, why are you voting Percy? Your stated reasons aren't exactly coherent-
Empking wrote:Vote; Percy- For trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the town cop.Empking wrote:He chose to hammer the likely cop but is now claiming to have hammer'd a guilty investigation.Empking wrote:He had a believable claim made stronger by the Elan claim.Empking wrote:Elan being the only cop would be unlikely.Empking wrote:As the point of making Elan a cop is naive speculation.
This was the "I thought he had a guilty" thing- fair enough. In justifying it though, you said that LC was likely to be cop. You didn't express that when he was being voted for (why not?),Emp wrote:Naive speculation is more likely to happen with multiple cops.
I wasn't here.
The lynch happened quickly after his claim.
Was Elan alone as a cop? No? Then I was right.and said that the Elan-cop claim made LC more likely to be a cop, which is weak at best. All in all, your positions seem a rather artificial way of justifying your Percy vote. There is also a hugely anti-town tendency to volunteer absolutely no information. When asked whether you thought qwints' claim made LC a more likely cop, you said "yes". Clearly, the person asking wanted you to explain why you took this odd position.
I also explained when the person wanted further information.
Tar has a reputation as a set up breaker. He also has an experience as scum. I doubted it was a scum move and his reputation led me to think he was talking sense.
@ anyone with a decent meta of Empking: in this game, Empking is lurking, and volunteering a minimum of information only when asked direct questions. Is there
A note (particularly to Percy): Empking never asked for the nature ofTar'sprotect. The wording isn't totally clear, but in context it is pretty obvious he was asking for the nature ofMufasa'sprotect. I am still unimpressed with Empking's reasoning for this, which was "because Tar thinks it's right".
It looked to me on my read that more people were agreeing with him.
Here, you offer a secondary attack on Percy, in which you appeal to the popular opinion of "everyone". Two problems here; first is that you are just "me-too"ing, and not saying how Percy is being scummy. Second is that "everyone" consists of Tar. And noone else. This is just horrible.Emp wrote:I agree with everyone that Percy's attacks on Tar are very scummy.
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Quotes please.Percy wrote:
It does not follow that you were right, and you know it. You said qwints' claim made it more likely that L_C was a cop, and you never explained why. Oh, you gave a few vague, incoherent statements (appealing to naive speculation that didn't happen, for instance), but no explanation. You also singled out me as the scummy one, without looking at anyone else who just slammed their votes on L_C after the claim.Empking 977 wrote:Was Elan alone as a cop? No? Then I was right.
I also explained when the person wanted further information.
No-one understands why qwints' claim made L_Cmorelikely to be a cop. You said that I was scummy for not realising this, butno-one else does either. You have never explained, and now you're lying about it.
Percy: I say (paraphrase) "I misread people and I thought threy were agreeing with him" and you repond with "Point out where they agreed with him"
You are purposely trolling me right?
Fishy; Elan is a naive character. It follows that people may think he's a naive cop.
The way Percy attacked Tar in his not-looking-for-scum way was scummy in my eyes.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Fishy: Percy said that he thought a cop had a guilty result on LC(?) Do you agree with that? Do you agree with me that its complete BS? That's my reason for voting him and it always has been.
Fishy; When did I call Percy scum for thinking that the second cop claim didn't make the first more likely?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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No I voted Percy for trying to get rid of the blame of hammering the cop by claiming that there was a guilty result.Fishythefish wrote:
Percy said he thought qwints had a guilty on LC. I don't think it's obviously BS he thought that- indeed I can't imagine making something like that up as scum. The insanity of the idea far outweighs the benefit (that it was a reason for hammering).Empking wrote:Fishy: Percy said that he thought a cop had a guilty result on LC(?) Do you agree with that? Do you agree with me that its complete BS? That's my reason for voting him and it always has been.
Fishy; When did I call Percy scum for thinking that the second cop claim didn't make the first more likely?
You voted Percy for hammering a "likely cop", and trying to excuse it. This argument only holds water if LC was a likely cop. In effect, you are calling Percy scummy not only for his slip/mistake/idiocy but also for claiming to think LC was scum. Your reasons why LC was likely real are, to say the least, not something you would expect everyone to be thinking, and so this argument is invalid. In effect, you are calling Percy (but not the other ten or so players on the wagon) scum for not seeing a rather obscure point which you think made LC more likely real.
Fishy; You think its reasonable to presume to presume that a night cop got a guilty result on someone day 1?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Percy: Nobody speculated because
1. People aren't completely predictable. Gorrad may have put Elan in for people to think he's naive without people thinking he's naive.
2. You quicklynched.
Percy; Do you honest think that "people" is the same as "someone"? Really?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Gorrad can't tell the future.Percy wrote:
What?Empking 1010 wrote:Gorrad may have put Elan in for people to think he's naive without people thinking he's naive.
Irrelevant.
Was it just me who quicklynched?Empking 1010 wrote:2. You quicklynched.
Are you denying that Tar thought your actions were scummy?
No, and that's the point. Why did you thinkEmpking 1010 wrote:Percy; Do you honest think that "people" is the same as "someone"? Really?anyonethought my play with Tar was scummy? Saying "whoops, I thoughtmorepeople thought that" hides the fact thatno-onethought that, and you are just making shit up.
Tar; You're town because you're acting in a town way.
We should massclaim when we're not near a scum lynch and when it looks like it'll be useful.
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Its even easier to just say that what ever I say is "Amazingly easy to say in hindsight"Percy wrote:
OK, so you're saying that you think the claim should have been more thoroughly analysed. This is probably true, but amazingly easy to say in hindsight.Empking 1017 wrote:
Gorrad can't tell the future.Percy wrote:
What?Empking 1010 wrote:Gorrad may have put Elan in for people to think he's naive without people thinking he's naive.
False. Highly relevant.Empking 1017 wrote:
Irrelevant.
Was it just me who quicklynched?Empking 1010 wrote:2. You quicklynched.
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You hammered causing the quick lynch.
How is it relevant BTW?
Bold mine.Empking 1017 wrote:
Are you denying that Tar thought your actions were scummy?
No, and that's the point. Why did you think anyone thought my play with Tar was scummy? Saying "whoops, I thought more people thought that" hides the fact thatEmpking 1010 wrote:Percy; Do you honest think that "people" is the same as "someone"? Really?no-one thought that, and you are just making shit up.No, but thanks for the blatant misrep.The point is, Tar was alone before you, yet you claimed "everyone" agreed with him. Then you said "whoops, I thought there were more people who agreed with him", rather than "whoops, I thought someone agreed with him". So, you lied, you see? Is that clear enough for you? I wouldn't want to say something ambiguous in the slightest, given your amazing ability to twist whatever I say into your own misguided agenda.
Percy: Are you denying that I agreed with him? Because I'm one and anyone else would be more.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Percy; And I admitted I was wrong in there being someone else. But I guess that's why you edited that part from your quote.
Percy; Who else claimed that they were only voting LC because of Qwint's guilty result? That's why I'm concentrating on you because you're the only one trying to wash away responsibility for the lynch.
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You're not the only one needing to be heald account. You're just theb one refusing to be held account.Percy wrote:
There was nothing to edit out. The only post I could see where you "admitted" you were wrong was here:Empking 1043 wrote:Percy; And I admitted I was wrong in there being someone else. But I guess that's why you edited that part from your quote.
...and I've already explained how this was a crap explanation.Empking 977 wrote:It looked to me on my read that more people were agreeing with him.
So how could I edit out content that wasn't in the post to start with?
No-one made the same mistake as me. That's not the point I'm making, and you know it. I'm not trying to wash away any responsibility - I'm asking why you think I'm the only one who needs to stand accountable. You've said that I was a quicklyncher, that I scummily hammered the town cop - now I'm scum because I'm defending myself against these accusations? Twist, twist away!Empking 1043 wrote:Percy; Who else claimed that they were only voting LC because of Qwint's guilty result? That's why I'm concentrating on you because you're the only one trying to wash away responsibility for the lynch.
You were a quicklyncher.
And you did scummily hammer the town cop.
You are scum because you only defend yourself by going "The people voting me are scum".
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QFTroflcopter wrote:the game is dying a slow, painful death because nothing, and i mean nothing, is happening. we need to move on.
Percy; It went to "Lynch this person" from "Don't lynch this person" in less than a day. I really don't think you can honsestly say that wasn't quick.
It was scummy because it was quick.
Not using the information we have now just because we didn't used to have it is completely moronic.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Fishy; I'm scum because I don't keep repeating points everyone knows about and by not repeating them I dropped them?
Fishy: Were you even reading the thread? Percy was like "Only you found my attacks scummy and because only you andnobodyelse you are lying scum." (Paraphrase not an actual quote).
Fishy, what makes my "not reading the thread and retracting points" scummy and Percy's "not reading the thread and retracting points" obviously cause for scum to jump all over him?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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So making claims based on somebody you vote for isFishythefish wrote:
No. You are scum because you make points with no justification, and then stop talking about them. Later, you explain why you are voting for Percy, and make no reference to them.Empking wrote:Fishy; I'm scum because I don't keep repeating points everyone knows about and by not repeating them I dropped them?
Not my reading at all. Unless I'm mistaken, Percy was merely pointing out your mistake about people finding your attacks suspicious.Empking wrote:Fishy: Were you even reading the thread? Percy was like "Only you found my attacks scummy and because only you andnobodyelse you are lying scum." (Paraphrase not an actual quote).
Not reading the thread well is, in both cases, a minor scumtell. Your retraction of points is bad because they were immensely crap points against the person you are voting for, and as such look like excuses for a vote rather than what you really thought.Empking wrote:Fishy, what makes my "not reading the thread and retracting points" scummy and Percy's "not reading the thread and retracting points" obviously cause for scum to jump all over him?
To be clear; I'm not hugely bothered about your mistake that other people thought Percy's attacks scummy. But your reaction to this being pointed out was terrible, andyou have said nothing to support the position that the attacks are scummy.
Which retractions of Percy did you have in mind? If you mean his retraction of "LC had a guilty on him", that is a completely different matter - he retracted something which (imo) scum had no motive to do, when his mistake was pointed out to him.worsethan somebody you quick hammered?
Fishy, I gave reasons for why he was likely a cop. So it wasn't based on nothing.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Fishy; This post doesn't exist?
Empking wrote: Fishy; Elan is a naive character. It follows that people may think he's a naive cop.
The way Percy attacked Tar in his not-looking-for-scum way was scummy in my eyes.
Fishy; Are you denying that Percy was saying (lying) that I was alone in thinking Percy's attack on Tar was scummy, and that that I was twisting (being scum0 by denying that.
Fishy; Why is admitting that you wrong bad and denying that and refusing to read the thread (doing a Percy) pro-town.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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I never said it was relevant.Fishythefish wrote:The claims are completely different. Percy's were based on one simple, awful, drastic misreading of a post. Yours were opinions of an overall situation (LC was, at the time, a likely cop/Percy's attacks on Tar are scummy) with no such explanation. You haven't justified your posts, and you haven't explained why you made them.
This comparison to Percy is entirely spurious, and an attempt to cloud the issue. Something you specialise in.
Yes, you gave reasons LC was likely a cop. However, none of them came remotely close to the implication of your post; that Percyshouldhave thought LC was a cop. Without this, the likelihood of LC being a cop is irrelevant to your vote.
How is saying "the likely cop" different from saying "LC" they're both referring to the same person in the same manner. Its just that the first one is easier to remember.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Oh yeah. You're right about the game.Vino wrote:
I played a game with you while you were "Empking's Alt" You did the exact same lurking in that game too although I don't remember what game it was. Natirasha's lulwut mafia maybe?Empking wrote:
Have we ever played a game together, before?Vino wrote:First game I've been in where Empking actually talks. Interesting.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Would you mind telling me how that question is game relevant?Vino wrote:No, but you lurk in every game you're in, and never really directly answer questions pointed at you (case in point.)
Would other games am I lurking in?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Then why am I scummy for not answering it?Vino wrote:
It's not. I'm just wondering.Empking wrote:Would you mind telling me how that question is game relevant?
Percy; Where did I say it was?Empking; Why is posting bad denying that (doing an Empking) pro-town.
Percy; How was I intending to scare off Fishy?
Are you just making stuff up?
Is "Blacken my name" melodramatic or overdefensive?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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What were my intentions!?Head_Honcho wrote:Can one truly be overdefensive at an impasse such as this?
Empking!:
To which Empking responds:Fishythefish wrote:Admitting you are wrong is good. As far as I can see, that is totally irrelevant to our current discussion. I have not at any point criticised you for admitting you are wrong.
Where did Percy refuse to read the thread? Please try to give some context to these statements.
The post you quote read like it's an explanation of your opinions on Percy's attacks - but it doesn't really explain your position at all. What do you mean by his "not-looking-for-scum way"?
You directed your question specifically at Tar! Tar never responded! You never followed up on it! Tends to make it look like you never cared what Tar thought and your intentions for asking such a question lay elsewhere!Empking wrote:Tar; If Percy is scum how likely do you think it is that Fishy is one of his buddies?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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I must have misunderstood you.Vino wrote:
*sigh* That's not what I'm saying. Nevermind.Empking wrote:
Then why am I scummy for not answering it?Vino wrote:
It's not. I'm just wondering.Empking wrote:Would you mind telling me how that question is game relevant?
Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Can I not be suspicious of a player obviously performing a chainsaw defence for Percy?Head_Honcho wrote:Vino you are looking fetching this morning!
Empking! Perhaps I should have been more clear! It was regarding 'scaring' fishy!Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Town may argue against points.Head_Honcho wrote:I for one am convinced Percy might be Hitler!
Now Tar! How do we get to UNK SK!? I thought the whole thing was a combination of 'must hammer cop!' and 'omg KORLASH!' I love that you have declared me a confirmed townie and everyone buys that but frankly this last post rubs me the wrong way a bit!
Empking! How is it so clear to you that Fishy is scum concerned with a buddy's lynch as opposed to a concerned citizen!? I am glad you brought it up because I would like to see specifically how you have made this distinction!
Scum chainsaws.
Yes.Does it seem likely to you that scumFishy would chainsaw for scumPercy after what happened to poor ActualScumKorlash!?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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No you didn't. You're scum. Lying to protect your scumbuddy.Head_Honcho wrote:My mistake! Percy quoted what I was referring to, you said that the statements were equivalent and I took 'the first one is easier to remember' to mean you found it preferable!
I'm not good with names. When I forgot LC's name I used likely cop to represent that player.This seemed like BS to me because obviously you know who LC is, and obviously there is quite a leap in what is being discussed when you go from 'he hammered LC' to 'he hammered the likely cop'!
Because not everybody shares my opinion.As I said before though, if for all intents and purposes LC can definitively be referred to as 'the likely cop' then wouldn't it follow that literally half of the town is scum!? Why is Tar(not a reflection on you here Tar you are just someone he seems to think holds a certain level of town cred this game!) not scum for voting 'the likely cop'!?-
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That's because this was my only active game.Tarhalindur wrote:
Let's just say I'm almost sure that whoever made that MoS kill has to come from a very specific comic, and that comic isn't discontinued. (Not 100% sure, largely because the comic in question has faked ending on multiple occasions.)Head_Honcho wrote:Interesing. Tar why do you assume that FishytheFish was the mafia kill?
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