The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

SpyreX · Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:42 pm

2733 in and of itself would be enough for me to lynch, just sayin'.

I'm still calling grandiose shenanigans on Sajin. In fact I'm more than a little preturbed at the dispersion effect from the mod influence which was very, very careful to say nothing about anything.

We're approaching that whole "drag factor" that I absolutely do NOT want to happen.

VP, babycakes, I get what SC was TRYING to do (even though it was silly in most cases) and I really think he's town that's doing a bad job explainin' it.

SpyreX · Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:11 pm

2745 also just moved way up the kill list for the "Learn to Read" gambit.

Now, like I said Dram is fine and all but this rats leaving the sinking ship I would love to have reasons for Sajin being AOK (Hint: Claim isn't a good reason).

SpyreX · Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:01 pm

Stark wrote:Foiled again. The "Learn to Read" gambit is a staple in every scum's scum tool box.

I'm glad we're on the same strategic level. I see you.

But why don't you explain to everyone who missed the boat what the "Learn to Read" gambit is...

The Learn to Read is pretty much a staple from what I've seen. Nothing like fighting a semantic battle with snapback comments when its much easier and much more productive to simply illustrate where they are actively and purposefully being wrong (if you think the attack is scummy) or simply say "nah, this is how it went down."

The snipe is hyperdefensive and unnecessary.

Stark wrote: Who exactly are the rats that you don't want to talk to?

Kise & Plum jumped to mind.

SC wrote: You don't believe Sajin, Spy? I do. Also - what's with the 'lets bandwagon the guy we suspect the most' strategy? Seems like a recipe to lose info from a lynch..

Nope. Not even a bit.

I'm not sure what you're aiming for with the other bit but I'll explain (note Sajin was scummy before the nice beautiful list but this just was icing on the cake):

We're looking at a fat case of always the bridesmaid here. When you see a fairly standard dispersement of second choices (the only other spike being SB which makes a LOT more sense) but Sajin has a spike there - yea.

I'm pretty sure Sajin is scum. Further, I'd eat all the hats if at LEAST one of the 5 that said he was the silver or bronze doesn't also flip scum (OHH SHI THERE IS SIX BUT I AM ONE KEKEKE).

Most of the other spreads make sense with whats going on from a cursory view but scummy + bizarro land votes = happy SpyreX for lynchin'.

And to end on a happy note:

VP wrote:This, exactly. I
would have been
will be on Spyrex like white on rice
if I thought he was taking credit for my night action
because he's so handsome and dashing.

Fixed that up for ya

SpyreX · Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:37 pm

First off I'm a little miffed at you PZ - I REALLY didn't want you to claim since it was a bit obvious you were cop and I was hoping to sneak another day out of you before the big boomer. I dig though.

I threw a Red Potion over to VP.

I was also informed that my Yellow potion expired.

Now, I'm trying to weigh what flipped scum said in relation to the night actions. Tubby doesn't make sense as a scum partner when, if we lynched milk and it WAS SK then it'd be a slam dunk on a partner.

I need to give this game some look at what dramonic was saying love.

However, once again, like at Sajin in relation to dramonic's claim yesterday.

SpyreX · Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:00 pm

? Tubby would have hid behind a non-town role if milk is SK, no?

Yea, we could do massclaim today methinks. I dont care WHO starts it lets just not take an eon getting it donw.

SpyreX · Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:57 pm

Sure I'll check it:

vote: Sajin

SpyreX · Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:08 am

I am a trooper

Unvote, Vote: Tubby

SpyreX · Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:12 am

Ohh lordy be.

I'm gonna be that guy and say I need a bit more than that.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:14 am

Unvote

No srsly, cult leader?

And there was some other bomb you had to drop?

(Note, with the cop getting killed the chances of there being a doc are low so you may want to spill thine guts / massclaim today)

SpyreX · Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:16 am

Ohh yea and btw I would put a bullet in SB for that vote. I'll be back later

SpyreX · Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:03 am

If I need to take the time to explain why SB = bullet I will, later.

I have no drugs. Nor have I been exposed to any.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:05 am

I want tubby lynched. The cult issue scares me - my only trepidation would be if this is lylo and an elaborate gambit (but with this many left that makes minimal sense).

Sajin and SB also have the short end of the rope as far as I'm concerned.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:13 pm

We are missing 5 claims.

This needs to happen. There is no reason why not to at this point.

That fact that two of them have emphatically been against it, well.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:49 pm

Which part? The drugs or the protection?

(Hint: If we have ANY protective roles I would eat a hat)

SpyreX · Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:59 pm

I believe stark (I assumed that was what the white powder statement was about).

I, again, am vehemently saying that we need the massclaim today and need to work this out. Our cop claimed. Then died. We do NOT have protective roles. We have 5 of 16 players not claimed.

Further, since I believe stark we're at day 4 with a cult. This needs to be parsed out and lynched (I'm a little weary of the fact that looking at our high profile deaths none of them were culted)

SpyreX · Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:08 pm

One potion a night. I've given up on there being ANY correlation between colors and what they do.

If I were to get my cult hat in a large game I'd be recruiting a mix:
- players that are active and not scummy (volkan)
- players that aren't going to die (SB)
- (depending on mechanics) players that have a high chance of being kill protected and useful (Zito)
OR, of course
- players that have role information to out me (stark, Plum, Vaya)

As it sits I don't know what the hell. With the swath that has been stomped out with no flips we're in bad shape if this is a normal cult.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:14 pm

You COULD have left that part quiet you know.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:13 pm

Because Stark is living on borrowed time. And, of course, if he's lying he will get found out from team mason-rolecops.

And, of course, the fact that I believe him. Even the weirdness with the white powder makes sense.

I'll give you that I would have investigated tubby. Or mentioned it sooner. Both of those things bother me a lot.

However, I'm totally not diggin the jive of "kill the cop to confirm the scum"

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Tubby is going up the tree today. Stark can be dealt with. Sajin still needs to go a danglin'.

I, again, am in favor of the massclaim.

SpyreX · Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:17 am

Ben wrote: SpyreX what were you saying?? you're against a mass claim too, okk good.

:headdesk:
:headdesk:
:headdesk:
:headdesk:
:headdesk:

SpyreX · Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:59 am

Its waiting for the CLAIMS to claim then we can get to the hangin.

In a hurry?

SpyreX · Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:54 pm

VP go ahead - then we've got even less reason for the OHH NOES MASSCLAIMU

SpyreX · Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:07 pm

Stupid potions. I give the bad one to a scummy player and they get "a cop" and I give a nice one to a clean player and it roleblocks them.

Not knowing what my role does is very vexing to say the least.

I went back and did a cursory on VP and him not having an er role and his avoidance of the er issue (for the most part) make sense.

And the reluctance with SC yesterday. And everything else. I approve.

That, and he's just sooo adorable.

SpyreX · Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:10 pm

Reading dramonic again after the flip is kinda hilarious.

NOTE TO SELF: Push on people for things more (iso 19).

Dram pushes for DN over Stark (iso 21)

He did the fake kill on SB (28)

Says in favor of an RC policy lynch but that it'll be unnecessary (32), also that he's just abrasive (37)

Tries to call DGB out for protecting KK (56)

These little gems (61 - note, 61 MAY need a fuller read because I bet we can find some serious delicious there)

Sajin: Slight town. His play is similar to what I've seen him do as town. His play is weird though...
Q1) Earlier you were defending Stark and now you're pursuing him. What happened in-between that I seem to have missed?

Rosso Carne: Town, I don't like his playstyle, I don't like his interacting, but I'm pretty certain he's town (probably the same reason as... KK I think?)
Q1) Would you be nice enough to actually give your opinion on the current situation?

stark: VI, but not for the reasons surrounding DN's "is council town?". His other posts aren't protown either. He directly refused to scumhunt when asked. I feel him more VI than scum though, I've seen the exact same behaviour from a few VIs.
Q1) Are you planning to eventually do something about your lack of pro-town post?

And, just so we have it (because I think this is going to be a rosetta stone):

Town: Stark, RC, Milkshake
Very Town: Tajo
Fairly Town: SpyreX, SB, Kmd, Volkan
Slightly Town: Plum, Llama, Sajin
Neutral: Vaya, Cicero, VP, Sociopath, KK
Slightly Scum: Tubby, BM
Fairly Scum: Bm, Kise
Quite Scum: DGB, Cass
Very Scum: Kaleidoscope, Alvinz

We get a scum-scum interaction that seems weird (65):

@KK: I've read your case agaisnt SB and I am honestly not convinced. I have never completed a game where there was a miller, but I'm pretty sure you're overworking this on one situation that worked well for you. Also, yes, just like the hugger.

A simple shoutout with no push either way to BM (68)

85, again, is a weird post:

Now, when you guys are done biting each other's head off the use of cold hard logic would be nice.

PZ: we have no decent proof of the er/other split (and sculptor is town)

DGB: There are multiple reasons SB could be against claiming her new ability/whatever. If she's town its WIFOM for the scum.

VP:Following a note likely given by the scum isnt exactly the best idea. Why would KK know these things anyway?

SB: Can you confirm that what happened to you is related to the potion?

More coming when im not typing on a wii...

DING DING (86)- SB is NOT scum

- Unless they're living on a level much higher than me, bussing immediately after a scum NK doesn't seem too smart.

Again, (100) - Benmage is probably not scum.

Another tie to RossElmo in (111)

Again, I don't see chamber as a bus (114) although (121) has scum requesting rain and then it actually raining.

Dram was pushing on tubby lynch AND saying to suspect plum (127). Not sure what this one means in the grand scheme of things.

Milk MIGHT have been a bus. That whole section needs some deeper analysis my tired bones just don't have in me.

Another drop on chamber (174). That one has me itchy.

177 bares repeating:

VP, I can understand the huge list is made to take the town's pulse and all, but I hope you're not planning to direct the lynches with that. I mean, there are at the very least 2 factions who want the town dead, it's easily tampered with.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 189:

Considering

Sajin has 1-4-2
Milk has 4-1-4

Why are the votes piling on Sajin? I agree he deserves to be lynched, but I don't think he should be prioritized...

Yea. Sajin scum. Milk, no.

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Base end results of grandiose read 1a:

Scum:
Sajin
Elmo

Scummy:
Stark
BM

Probably Not Scum:
Benmage
SB
Milk

If someone feels AWESOME they should also do a namedrop. However, yea. Scum found. Toot toot.

SpyreX · Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:24 pm

Ohh yes this says nothing about SK or cults or blah or blah.

Just the scum group.

SpyreX · Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:37 pm

Sajin wrote:@Spyrex- I think scum wanted to get rid of the other kill and this had far less to do with me. Your ignoring the fact that dramonic was on my wagon and trying to use a statement that shows he was going after the other kill to convince others he was defending me. What are your thoughts on Plum and Battlemage?

He was on your wagon after it looked like due to mod issues that you were going up the rope.

He stayed there because the other wagon was HIM.

Plum only bothers me because Plum has not-playing-itis.
BM has been bothersome most of the game - if tubby DOES flip cult I would go that way.

Although I'm having real issues with the cult - SK, Mafia AND Cult?

SpyreX · Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:51 pm

Why is it so abysmally hard to get this moving.

Claim. Just do it.

SpyreX · Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:01 pm

Remind me after the slowscums claim to bring something to mention game.

SpyreX · Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:26 pm

Benmage, I swear. Next post by any of the non claimers without a claim is going to be equated to "I am lazy scum, please lynch me."

Fillibustering is not awesome.

SpyreX · Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:49 pm

Cop is dead. Half-Doc claimed without this MYSTERIOUS MYSTERY.

Considering the AWESOME we've seen thus far you've just raised the stakes enough that you better start working on something truly amazing because this is 2 kool for skool.

SpyreX · Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:00 pm

All the other non-claimers are inactive across site at the mo'. Sweet.

I forgot VP popcorned to BM. So that'll wait.

So, peace out until that happens.

SpyreX · Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:01 pm

Go go gadget catchup post.

Kise - Geezer. Fits with earlier business. HOWEVER, I'm putting a huge * because ultimately that is a role that now isn't going to be killed AND thusly (due to play) I'm not comfortable around at lylo. So, yea.

Elmo - Lo and behold, still no claim.

Benmage - Boilmaker. With boils.
Couple questions:
1.) Who was the N2 on?
2.) How does the rule read? Is it "Their vote will count as half." or "Their vote is halved." (as specific as you can be).

I, too, tend to agree that both of the voting manipulations will not be town (needless to say my money is on Elmo).

Battlemage - Lo and behold, still no claim.

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There's some flavor issues I'm trying to wrap my head around (which I'm wondering if its all a red-herring).

The scum in the OP are "The Converters" (Named after its leader). Now, that sure makes one think cult when one thinks about it. HOWEVER, Stark's claim is "The Cult of the Goma". Note, not the Dark Goma. And, I don't think I've seen the term Goma referred to by itself...ever. Which makes me worry.

After the final claims (and I'm prepping if someone wants to be a helper) - I'd love to see ALL the claims in one post so we can compare and contrast some things.

Further, I think there's gonna be a cost-benefit on some lynches today. With all the pieces out it'll be interesting to see whats up.

SpyreX · Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:53 am

Needless to say I think we're ALSO missing some actual NAME claims from those that have claimed.

@Ben: I thought you said N2 the mod auto did it hence the ?.

And if its "Their vote will count as half" the argument COULD be made that it is "half a vote" not "half of what their vote currently counts as" which would eliminate ANOTHER role screwing around with the VC

SpyreX · Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:55 am

[mrow] [col]Player [col]Name [col]Ability [col]Tubby [col]The Happy Hoppy Fuzzy Bunny [col]Hider [col]Vaya [col color=red]NO NAME [col]Mason Rolecop [col]Battle Mage [col color=red]NO NAME [col color=red]NO CLAIM [col]VP Baltar [col]The Master of Cloth [col]Protection from Strangulation [col]SpyreX [col]The Alchemist [col]Wacky Wild Potions [col]milkshake [col color=red]NO NAME [col]Sanitizer [col]Snow_Bunny [col]The Beggar [col]Miller [col]Benmage [col]The Boilmaker [col]Votebreaker [col]SocioPath [col]The Causer of Weep [col]RB [col]Sajin [col]The Unknown [col]???? [col]LlamaFluff [col color=red]NO NAME [col color=red]NO CLAIM [col]Chamber [col]The Flurry [col]Weather Control [col]Plum [col color=red]NO NAME [col]Mason Rolecop [col]Kise [col]The Geezer [col]Post-Death Vote Manipulator [col]Elmo [col color=red]NO NAME [col]Doublevoter [col]Stark [col]The Seeker [col]Cult Cop

There, I think thats about right.

SpyreX · Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:06 am

I know its asking the world btu I'd really like to see that list above withuot all those filthy reds in it.

@Ben:

I'm both believing your claim AND thinking you're town (although still baffled at the wait, but whatevs).

What are the chances of two roles manipulating Elmo in the same way? I HAVE to assume that it "makes a vote a half" versus "halving a vote".

SpyreX · Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:14 am

Ohh thats right.

I'll update it once others have, you know, played the game.

I mean we're gonna win a prize at this rate for longest freaking game ever but.

SpyreX · Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:40 am

I've got a theory. But, we need more pieces.

@Mod: Can you prod LLama

SpyreX · Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:46 am

Damnit Kise don't spoil the surprise.

SpyreX · Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:27 pm

Welp, thats about what I expected.

Clears up a theory as well.

I'm about totally down with a BM lynch if he doesn't deliver. As well as Plum confirming her name AND Elmo giving theirs.

My god the end is in sight.

SpyreX · Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:53 pm

I was going to be VERY weary of baltar unless we saw the yin to his yang. Of those left I was betting more on it being LF than BM.

So.

SpyreX · Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:45 pm

So, I'm assuming the extent of your abilities (at the wonder twins) is the shared rolecop. (as neither of you mentioned anything about that in your claims).

And SB is a Pulper - that turns apples into oranges. And ? found a crate full of apples. How does that work? Ability active? Did you have to hunt for apples? Were you GIVEN apples? Etc etc.

SpyreX · Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:51 pm

[mrow] [col]Player [col]Name [col]Ability [col]Tubby [col]The Happy Hoppy Fuzzy Bunny [col]Hider [col]Vaya [col]The Younger [col]Mason Rolecop [col]Battle Mage [col color=red]NO NAME [col color=red]NO CLAIM [col]VP Baltar [col]The Master of Cloth [col]Protection from Strangulation [col]SpyreX [col]The Alchemist [col]Wacky Wild Potions [col]milkshake [col]The Calmer [col]Sanitizer [col]Snow_Bunny [col]The Pulper [col]Miller / Apples-Oranges [col]Benmage [col]The Boilmaker [col]Votebreaker [col]SocioPath [col]The Causer of Weep [col]RB [col]Sajin [col]The Unknown [col]???? [col]LlamaFluff [col]The Baker [col]Protection from Wounds [col]Chamber [col]The Flurry [col]Weather Control [col]Plum [col]The Elder [col]Mason Rolecop [col]Kise [col]The Geezer [col]Post-Death Vote Manipulator [col]Elmo [col color=red]NO NAME [col]Doublevoter [col]Stark [col]The Seeker [col]Cult Cop

Mod: Prod Elmo (and BM if you can)

@Twins: Thank you! (although I have my questions anywho but we'll see)

SpyreX · Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:02 pm

So is that whole business about the apples and oranges a total joke (yea, at this point I have no sarcasm detector for a miller that I wouldn't bat an eye if we lynched)

SpyreX · Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:26 pm

So, this is a role with a power that does nothing within the confines of the game. Sweeet.

I'm gonna have to reread - I SWEAR there was something I saw yesterday? about the twins that made me think they had other powers too. Hmmm.

(I really didn't want to reread)

(This game is a little rediculous with all the words)

(Its only day 4)

(

)

SpyreX · Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:30 pm

Apparently I'm losing my mind or can't find it on a quick skim.

No jumping the cart though. I WILL be patient for the last pieces. Then expect some posts up ins.

SpyreX · Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:00 pm

Keep in mind the Pulper does not, in fact, make pulp as per the ability given.

SpyreX · Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:14 pm

BM simply isn't around. Which is awesome. (Note, for serious, rebels will be dealt with by the strong arm of the empire. No claim = execute order 66)

That said, we've got enough information to play the game of:

LETS PICK A LYNCH!

1.) Tubby
--- Bad claim.
--- I mean SERIOUSLY bad claim.
--- A flip of not "Happy bunny" directly means one of, if not both, the wonder twins are scum.
--- A flip of cult means that BM is getting power lynched.
----- It also means stark is p sweet.
--- A flip of hider is

--- He's asked to die. Silver Rule.

2.) Stark
--- A Seeker town flip does directly mean there is a cult.
--- ANYTHING but a town flip (sans cult) means we can disregard worries about said cult and progress forward.
--- Killing a cop to prove the cult doesn't exist leaves a BAD taste in ones mouth.

3.) Sajin
--- He's pretty much scum.
--- Does NOT resolve the issues like 1 or 2.

4.) Elmo
--- Yea, banking on scum again.
--- Does, again, NOT resolve the issues like 1 or 2.
--- Does all but give us a cleared Benmage.

My money is heavy on tubby. I want to see if there are any other major ideas for today (notice that Milk and SB are NOT on that list).

SpyreX · Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:18 pm

Lets not get too trigger happy until BM graces us with his presence.

SpyreX · Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:22 pm

I want the information. I'm giving him EVERY reason to just claim.

IF he opts not to, then tubby gets another day.

SpyreX · Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:12 pm

I swear to everything that ever is, was or will be if you guys lynch tubby before a BM claim the universe will end.

HOLD THINE VOTES.

SpyreX · Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:35 pm

If I see him onsite, or post in this game without claiming I will TURN THIS BUS AROUND.

There is a CHANCE tubby is town. If he pulls that maneuver there is absolutely no way BM is town.

Not to mention that killing cult is just as important for the scum as for the rest of us. We end up killing BM for not playing in our reindeer games and he's cult, tubby should bite the bullet too. One way or another.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:35 pm

On the internary tomorrow:

Rolename and explanations from BM.

Unvote, Vote: Tubby

SpyreX · Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:43 pm

I'll be VERY surprised if he does not flip "Happy Hoppy Fuzzy Bunny"

The alignment, though. Now thats the kicker.

SpyreX · Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:58 pm

Hold up.

No more role stuff:

BM - target, result. Asap.

SpyreX · Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:40 pm

Just so we're clear - I'm definitely not sold on BM being a Tracker. Thus, I want BM to claim his Track BEFORE anyone else gives him ammo.

Then, yes, we'll look at who the RB was and the doc protections (as well as other CRAZINESS).

SpyreX · Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:14 pm

I got it rushed because it was time to end the day. I didn't want that fight THEN because nothing changes between then and now.

SpyreX · Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:35 am

Sigh

@Mod:

Can you prod BM

SpyreX · Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:44 am

Team of three seems WAY low for a setup this size - unless there's two teams and we've managed to kill one (SWISH doubt it).

I'd bank on one scum team with probably 2 more members.

I do agree, to an extent, with both Vaya and Stark btw.

All things hinge on BM

SpyreX · Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:48 am

A mystery of the ages.

I think after BM part of the itinerary for the day is compiling the night action lists off the full list we have.

SpyreX · Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:57 am

P.S. THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN UNTIL BM COMES IN.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:56 am

Patience is a virtue. We now have a thread. To dance upon like children of yesteryear.

Ohhh SP, come on in and state:

a.) If BM is telling the truth.
b.) WHAT would possess you to roleblock a doctor?

SpyreX · Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:10 am

Actually at this point that is kinda locked in. We can do our Night Actions (unless I'm missing something key in which case tell me) as we post.

I KNOW mine doesn't affect anything so:

I gave the Sandy potion to Plum.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:58 am

Actually (and this doesn't change the need for night actions, etc)

Vote: SP

Normally I'd him and haw about there being the possibility of two scum roleblockers but in this setup its a bit more plausable.

But thats not why I'm voting him.

I was himming and hawing about why in the hell would a RB target a doctor (especially the first one that claimed)....

I'm really, really hoping he's scum because if not he's the damn cult leader.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:30 am

That wouldn't surprise me ALL that much but I'd still kinda headdesk at it.

Regardless, after that business lynching SP is far and wide the best move.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:32 am

P.S. I'm kinda thinking its gonna be BM / Elmo for scum (OHH NOES HE IS ADVOCATING LYNCHING SOMEONE THAT PROBABLY IS TOWN).

The SK I'm clueless on.

I'm going to cry tears IF the he flips cult leader.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:55 am

Yep. I'm tech, what I can say.

Plum and DGB.

I've given black (apparently cop) to SB and red? (apparently a RB) to VP successfully.

Go 50%!

SpyreX · Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:24 pm

Eeeeenteresting.

SP, that makes a lot more sense.

That said, still lynching you.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:30 pm

No no no.

Even though I FULLY expect him to flip town and BM to be the scum on the chance that he's telling the truth it is worth lynching SP to validate this considering we've decimated the scum.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:55 pm

2.) Vaya
3.) Battle Mage
6.) VP Baltar
7.) SpyreX
9.) milkshake
10.) Snow_Bunny
12.) Benmage
13.) SocioPath
16.) Sajin
17.) LlamaFluff
18.) chamber
21.) Kise
23.) Elmo
24.) stark

Time to play parse. (Keep in mind I'm emphatically for lynching SP today).

VP & Llama are both probably town. OF the two I'm more confident of VP. In fact, if not town I'd bank on SK, which is woosh.

I'm town.

2.) Vaya
3.) Battle Mage
9.) milkshake
10.) Snow_Bunny
12.) Benmage
13.) SocioPath
16.) Sajin
18.) chamber
21.) Kise
23.) Elmo
24.) stark

One of SP and BM are scum - maaybe both but at this point (with a SK alive) is meh. So, under the assumation that SP is the town (and getting lynched but what the hey).

2.) Vaya
9.) milkshake
10.) Snow_Bunny
12.) Benmage
16.) Sajin
18.) chamber
21.) Kise
23.) Elmo
24.) stark

I'd put stock in one of Ben and Elmo being scum. Vote manipulation gives me the heebie jeebeies and BOTH having it is a scary situation. I'm leaning, DUH, hard on Elmo being the scum.

2.) Vaya
9.) milkshake
10.) Snow_Bunny
16.) Sajin
18.) chamber
21.) Kise
24.) stark

So, now we've got an odd little list.

IF SP is cult then stark is telling the truth and thus town. If not, I'm leaning this is a ruse (but since by nature it can't play out to lylo well)

Kise's role is just asking to not ever be killed and, as per BP rule, seems to be a fairly solid scum fakeclaim (and the overall absence of play is worrisome).

Chamber.... well, as far as we can tell either the claim is inspired OR he's telling the truth. Based on simple numerics I'll say town but its not enthusiastically.

Sajin. Has a role thus far that has done nothing? Hasn't really been playing.

S_B. Miller. Either a majestic bus or telling the truth. I'm leaning on truth for the moment but this one moves around like the wind blows.

Milkshake. While thoroughly confused by same-targetting I'm HOPING this is designed to cure an SK. Or is the SK.

Vaya. Ehh, again. With the whole tubby fiasco (god in retrospect I wish I knew which of the wonder twins pushed for rolecoppign tubby) I think not mafia. Maaybe SK.

Ehhh.

I'm not happy. I'd like to have more than a couple OHH HAY TOWN with even the worry about a cult running around.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:24 pm

It is clear one of SP / BM is lying.

However, if it is SP that is lying the chances are much higher of him being cult (which would then all but clear stark AND BM) and we lynch the cult recruiter.

However, if SP flips like he does AND we don't see a cult death with two kills well, either we've lost (or are on the precipice) or we get stark outed.

Further, of the two (assuming not a double bus) I'd MUCH rather have the tracker alive than the RB.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:30 pm

Two different town roles affecting voting is an unparalleled swing that I wouldn't be down with.

Ben has played a far more active and townier game than your slot.

---

That said I've changed my mind.

Unvote.

If BM comes up tracker scum or sk has to kill SP. Or they'll lose just as quick.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:40 pm

I wasn't aiming to be "helpful". I was answering the question.

Having someone who can cut a vote in half (which, based on its alteration of the votecount is really having no vote) and someone who is a doublevoter as town easily puts it into an unwinnable situation for scum in even normal lylo conditions.

However, that all aside, to call the amount of activity both you and your predecessor have committed to be "helpful" would be tough - ultimately, you survived the first onslaught

because

of your claim.

When benmage's came out as a yin to that yang well that kinda went poofter because the question that always gets bantered about in regards to scum doublevoters was answered.

SpyreX · Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:57 pm

More than anything with Ben, he's

trying

. And it feels genuine.

Talking to you is fine. However, I'm not being "helpful" with that question because that, inherently, isn't a helpful question. If we want to talk about things give some analysis on the game not as a function of you maaaybe getting lynched not today.

Scum have a nightkill? NO WAI. The chances of either of you being killed at this juncture I find minimal AND if one of you is killed based on the theory that both of you are town it's gonna be Ben.

As for policy lynching.. Yea, I lynch lurkers. Especially when its day 5 and, frankly, I can't think of any opinion off the top my head you've got on anyone or anything goin on.

SpyreX · Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:47 am

I honestly can't decide if that level of not paying attention is lynch worthy or not.

SpyreX · Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:41 am

It's not a function of simply the doublevoter / vote-halver mechanic that makes me think you are scum. It is, much moreso, the fact you've been absolutely

coasting

through this game.

Like I said, early on I would have pushed much harder for your lynch

if not for the fact

you were a doublevoter. When Ben's role jumped out into this, really overall negating that, then it became much more of an issue.

Your argument for nightkilling as a function of having those roles in place doesn't do a whole lot for me - because it could apply to any doubling of a role mechanic. In a 29 player game I'd be hesistant to believe we had two sane cops just as much as two manipluators of the vote.

However, before I digress too far, if you want to discuss then

discuss

. Not this. The game. As a whole. Who's scum, who's not, why.

SpyreX · Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:24 pm

I'm planning on joining the party AFTER everyone has checked in and we have the full list of night actions, etc.

SpyreX · Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:55 pm

I havne't had the oomph yet. What actions are we missing?

SpyreX · Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:04 am

I really think we're missing something. I'll hammer later today if I don't remember what it is.

SpyreX · Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:36 pm

Welp, woosh. Like I said.

Unvote, Vote: Battle Mage

SpyreX · Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:02 am

I did, in fact, throw a potion to Chamber. I take it this one DOES stuff?

I'm starting to get mystified and confused at the night kills. Real bad like.

Once we all check in I'll probably be throwing a vote down elmo way.

Not seeing any cult flips is starting to make we wonder about starky, quite a bit.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:48 am

...Actually, I'm starting to totally wonder about stark and thinking milk was designed to make the SK (or the Influencer if you will) not crazy.

Thoughts?

SpyreX · Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:53 am

Yea I think its p clear we need to do the dance again.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:58 am

I did my part: I gave Green Jelly to chamber.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:33 am

Not many. One or two at most, I'd say.

SpyreX · Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:37 am

I've been gone.

RIGHT NOW, I am not in support of a Kise lynch. He is one of the ones that has to go before lylo but as it sits I'm not diggin' it.

Have we had the updated compilation of night actions, etc?

SpyreX · Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:13 am

If there's a cult (which I'm REALLY starting to doubt all things considered) I think we're boned. The question is is stark a red herring or a scum lie.

I think its Elmo today, hands down.

SpyreX · Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:20 am

Honestly, if there IS a cult we might as well just GG this game.

Do we need a round of prods?

SpyreX · Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:37 am

The only thing (and I'm a bit lazy) I want before this lynch goes through is to make sure we're all up to date on all the powers / targets.

SpyreX · Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:57 pm

K, lets do this.

Unvote, Vote: Elmo

SpyreX · Mon Dec 07, 2009 8:15 am

The reason we're seeing easier wagons is fairly simple when you look at it:

Barring cult, we're two, MAYBE three lynches away from game, set, match. There's physcially not enough anti-town players left to really push a lynch another way.

Add in the fact that chances are high Elmo is an SK, there you go.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:21 am

Only 1 kill done. Means non-mafia can be cleared, fellas.

You think we only have the SK left?

SpyreX · Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:22 am

I threw a potion at Sajin.

I would love to see what chamber has to say.

Today MAY be the day that SB goes.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:59 am

...

Was it a full doc or another half one?

SpyreX · Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:19 am

Sajin: Did you receive a potion from me.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:23 am

Well, barring madness the ONLY things that could make sense would be:

1.) You are lying through your teeth (unlikely)
2.) SP RB'd you.
3.) Both? targeted and you only protected from one? (reaally not sure about this).

SpyreX · Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:38 am

Nine of us alive. Its time to really parse this:

Town:
VP Baltar
LlamaFluff
Chamber*

Mehhh:
Vaya

Scum / Necessary Kills:
Snow_Bunny - Miller / Coasting
Kise - Roleclaim REALLY gives me a bad vibe
Sajin - The piles of nothing / the inability to commit to my even giving him a damn potion after asking for it.
Stark - Cult red herring could damn well be scum.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:39 pm

The * is some hesistance based on this being some kind of magnificent jank move.

Overall town.

The issue is that there are four I want lynched and I don't think we have enough days.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:48 pm

I'm really thinking SB. On top of the miller AND the cop investigation on a dead person its the sheer absence of play.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:48 pm

BUT, Elmo not being scum means I just don't understand something integral and could be gettin played.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:03 pm

I'm bothered FAR more by the play then by the cop business. Thats just an icing.

Especially the amount of activity as a function of the chance of being lynched.

And the last few posts of "Am I the only one..."

SpyreX · Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:04 pm

Not to mention the claim itself.

But, I'm fine with any on that list.

To make it REAL simple:

I'm not lynching VP or Llama or Chamber. I'd need something compelling to lynch Vaya.

The rest, I'm down.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:26 pm

So, you want to lynch a player with a town claim on D7 based on absence of play?

And you want us to believe you are town?

Ohh SNAP you are right who's claimed scum lets get em!

SpyreX · Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:33 am

Truth be told although Kise has to go of the group I find him the least likely to be scum. But, eh.

SpyreX · Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:47 am

I dig. I need a new viewpoint because every bit of me still wants to give SB the deathnoose especially when the rebuttal was what it was.

SpyreX · Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:56 am

I know. Its been a hard week for us zombies and we need to stick together.

Lets start off with the basics snookums:

What do you think about my town list (swapping us zombies around o'course).

SpyreX · Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:07 am

BUT THEY CLAIMED A TOWN ROLE.

The new issue I have with Sajin is that potion fiasco. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact on top of not knowing what my damn potions do I have duds?

You were told fairly clearly the potion I gave you was an RB right?

Stark is... yea. With no cult flipping at all I'm assuming at best its a red herring and those I don't like.

SpyreX · Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:26 am

I'm trying to think of what I could have given him that would have done NOTHING and I'm not getting it.

Which makes me paranoid more than a little I gave him something delectable and he's scum.

SpyreX · Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:37 am

But I mean the ???? that does ???? is truly a town role we can't even TRY to lynch him.

He's claimed town!

SpyreX · Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:38 am

Actually, yea. Barring you convincing me otherwise snookums I'd rather use thing lynch for one of the actually likely to be scums (Sajin, SB) versus the "because of my role I need to get the rope" (Stark, Kise).

Unvote, Vote: Sajin

Either or though I'm easy

SpyreX · Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:45 am

You wouldn't have it any other way and you know it.

SpyreX · Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:34 am

If we're aiming at Strangle I'm thinking SB.
If we're aiming at mafia I'm thinking Sajin.

At this point I would be surprised if there are two mafia left but JUST IN CASE I think I'd prefer mafia.

SpyreX · Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:44 pm

I don't see how that's reasoning to go after mafia today, I'd think we'd want to be sure to eliminate a kill source and focus on the SK first. Not that I think there's two mafia left or anything.

I still don't think the strangler's Bunny, I'm really thinking Kise is the SK and that he should be the lynch for today.

BTW, last night, I tried to investigate Kise, but got no result. It seems though that this is likely just because of the difficultly I've been having investigating without my brother here, and not because of anyone else.

Lets break it down and look at it:

9 left, assumation: 1 SK, 2 scum, 6 town.

Assuming no doc protects or cross-kills:

1.) We lynch town:
6 alive, 2 scum, 1 sk. At this point we're almost looking at a prisioners dilemma. We HAVE to lynch scum.

2.) We lynch scum:
6 alive, 1 scum, 1 sk. Depending on the kills, this is going to be a slam dunk.

3.) We lynch the sk:
7 alive, 2 scum. All but guaranteed the kill will NOT be in the subset of (sajin, sb, kise, stark). Two shots to find the scum in there.

Hmmm.... Yea, I guess its a wash either way.

If kise is scum he's lying about what his role does.
If kise is the SK AND telling the truth about what his role does the game could end tomorrow.
If kise is town (which of that group I still lean) then we're in the nasty world.

Further I'm duh not impressed with sb's business at all. IF I'm wrong and sb is scum the whole gambit makes a lot of sense. Even if the "I wouldn't do that" argument was there...KK sure as hell would of.

SpyreX · Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:46 pm

If I'm wrong about SB being the SK. I'm fairly confident we're going to see a no-town flip.

I thought Kise CONTROLLED the vote of the person who hammered him?

SpyreX · Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:33 pm

I will concede that my stance on SB has shifted quite a bit. I'm not sure if its confirmation bias making me just determined that she's scum from the play or what but, yea, I 100% do not want her alive at lylo.

If Kise is town, he's telling the truth about his role. Thus, I absolutely do NOT want him to self-hammer - in fact I think we need to utilize it by having someone else scummy (SB HINT HINT) do the hammer so Kise can control the vote tomorrow,

If Kise is scum, he's lying about his role. Period.

If Kise is SK, it could go either way - although the only way that is bad is if Kise is SK and two scum left AND a kill tonight AND Kise opts to make the scum win AND town was the hammer on Kise.

So... yea.

If we are going with Kise (which I don't like) I am emphatically pushing for one of SB, Sajin, Stark to be the hammer.

SpyreX · Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:00 am

SB wrote:You fail at numbers. You start with 9 players, and after lynching someone there's still 9 players (in case 1 and 3).

And, I can hammer, if that makes you happy.

Unvote.

OHH SNAP I DO

Except the first number is the total number of players. So, swing and a miss.

Well done though.

---

Sajin wrote:I really do not see why I am being pressured when I was the counter wagon to a scum wagon that most of the dead scum were all on. So I am unlikely mafia.

Additionally I was roleblocked so not the SK.

So I fail to see how I am likely at all.

hmm... you are right. You're off the list for now.

Unvote, Vote: Kise

However:

Sajin wrote:Spyrex, your logic is faulty. I am scummy because I did not say anything and now I am scummy because I did not say what you wished to hear. I recieved no PM about a potion so how can I claim anything? You yourself were in BM's bastard game and so was our mod. Perhaps the mod took a note from that game with Vi's power. Alternatively perhaps it granted something passive.

I think Kise is likely scum here.

After that I think VP Baltar. There is no reason that sociopath should not have been protected. Especially considering the floundering VP did with his claim of not protecting.

Saying nothing when asked doesn't give good vibes. You've been, to put it lightly, coasting.

VP being scum means the scum did something REALLY funny. Either VP is the SK and only the SK was given a fake claim or he's scum and the other scums didn't fake?

Not to mention the parity between llama and VP. The only reason I'd be concerned at ALL is the fact both are still alive but not even that is enough for me to really worry.

----

So, when its time, SB hammers Kise, go from there.

SpyreX · Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:31 pm

Yea, I like Stark's idea but. No.

I'm down for throwing a hammer wheneves.

SpyreX · Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:37 pm

No. SB hammers. I'll be wroth if someone else does.

SpyreX · Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:37 pm

God damnit I did with the Gold Potion.

These potions are making me cry.

Ok, I think its time to refresh my thought processes.

Snowbunny is going away today. Period. Kise will be able to make that happen.

SpyreX · Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:55 pm

God damnit I did with the Gold Potion.

These potions are making me cry.

Ok, I think its time to refresh my thought processes.

Snowbunny is going away today. Period. Kise will be able to make that happen.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:04 am

I think barring one of you or llama being scum (which makes my head hurt thinking of) AND if my potion is going to kill chamber (even though I expect him to be town) we should have this in the bag.

I just need to think it through.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:36 am

It only does if chamber is town AND there are 3 total anti-town elements left I think.

Which, of course, means that either I'm scum (and I'm totally gonna be that guy and say my potion should all but clear me hahah!) or one of you / llama are scum (which I just can't wrap my head around).

So, take that option out and we're left with 2-3 scum in the grouping of: SB / Sajin / Chamber.

We lynch one of SB / Sajin (Hint: SB) and chamber dies. There should only be one kill left which means game, set match.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 7:49 am

I've been trying to wrap my hands around it and maybe talking it out I can see what I could have missed:

1.) You claimed first. You claimed half the only doc role we've seen thus far.
--- Thus, you being scum would mean:
----- You were given a fakeclaim.
--------Which doesn't mesh really from ANYTHING we've seen thus far.
----- You actually have a power that lets you find roles and killed the real one and stole it
--------I'm pretty sure we've seen the removal of a death from your source?
----- You have balls of steel.
--------This is true BUT that leads us to the llama dilemna:

2.) LLama claimed after. He claimed the OTHER half of the doc role.
--- Thus, Llama being scum would mean:
----- We were only given half a doc role?
--------- All things considered, unlikely.
----- Llama opted to claim giving more credence to his claim via yours
--------- We STILL should have seen a counterclaim.
----- LLama has balls of steel.
--------- This COULD be but, ultimately, the only situation in which this works is:

* Both of you are scum together. You took a gamble that the doc was killed beforehand and opted to fake a claim in such a way that your partner could ALSO climb on the other end and ride this boat to the bank. You then have been manipulating the kills so that there have been some "doc" protects

In which case: I have been simply outplayed and good game.

---

Now, for the other piece of conundrum: can someone explain to me in the simplest terms what has happened with Sajin that eliminates him from being X?

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:32 am

Not to mention that, ultimately, we've seen only a handful of REALLY NICE town power roles. Most of them are hijinks.

So, two halves of a doc makes sense to me.

Which leads us to the other funny business that still gets me:

SB - no power
Sajin - ????

Unvote, Vote: SB

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:34 am

Assuming you two are not scum and the poison works I think we can't lose though.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:37 am

Were only you and I ever touched by the toucher?

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:41 am

Thought so.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:55 am

Really the ONLY situation I could be scum of any sort (barring two scum / 1 sk left which is still unlikely) is if scum can kill AND use their power in the same night AND the ability to kill isn't active.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:22 pm

I still think its a group think on snowbunny. Can someone explain why snowbunny is likely to me based on more then gut? I find it unlikely a SK would go for a miller claim.

Yea its the RIGHT freaking group think. SB has been coasting along only to pop up and watch that get derailed over and over again. No.

Spyrex you have yet to say why my role of ???? power typing is scummy beyond "I don't like it". The dead mafia have had quite a few practical abilities claimed that made sense with their name (Sniffer, bubble blower etc). Dramonic seemed to think he had that power and had caught the SK with it. So how is "Thats not a likely power" argument hold any weight in your opinion?

Thats not even remotely my issue you saying you have ???? power. Its more like this:

VP: I'm a doctor. I protect against strangulation.
Llama: I'm a doctor. I protect against slittings.
Chamber: I'm the weatherman. I make the weather happen.
SpyreX: I'm the alchemist. I don't know what my potions DO but I give potions out.
SB: I'm a miller!
Sajin: I'm the unknown. I don't know what I do. At all.

Of this there is at least two liars. Which ones stand out as totally not making sense?

Besides if I was scum faking my claim, I would of made a way better one. You know I am a good claimer, in WoT I CCed a cop, got him lynched and was not lynched the next day and made it to endgame. If I was scum I wasted one of my best skills to no advantage. In fact seeing how stupid and scummy my role was, I did not post details that I noticed were different until L-1 when I felt like I was being lynched anyways. Funny how you repeat those same details to throw mud at me.

Hi I am anecdotal evidence, the bastard brother to meta which is woosh.

I'm not throwing mud. Notice I'm voting for SB.

Lets be clear though. If there is a tomorrow because SB lynch and chamber poison doesn't end it its going to take an act of god for me to not lynch you.

Its not just a function of the claim. Its a function of the play.

Lets go ahead and get another example of this:

I still think at least 1 doctor is scum here. There is no reason why it could not be town/SK or mafia/town or even mafia/SK there. Notice how the confirmed town of sociopath died when I specifically asked the doctors to protect him somehow died and the kills have rarely/never been blocked (and when one was blocked I think sociopath did it to BM). For that reason I strongly believe VP Baltar is the SK. A fiting false claim, the doctor to his own role.

So, lets break this down.

VP, the doctor who claimed first, is the SK. Further, he through prescience knew that there wasn't going to be a true "doctor" and the doctor roles were going to be halved. Even moreso, he managed to pick the correct one and Llama's claim acted to corroborate this.

This is further shown because he opted not to do what was said in thread. This means his explanation of trying to WIFOM the scum is invalid.

On the flipside:

Your role of ???? power source that you do not know what to do is totally legit because, of course, as scum you would have thought of a better one. Also, you changed the details at L-1 and my bringing this up over and over again is "slinging mud".

So, in short:

VP WIFOM = Scum
Sajin WIFOM = Town.

Yeaaa.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:55 pm

Rereading things from the flipped scum isos I'd eat the hat if SB-scum isn't some kind of BP.

The interaction between Llama and Tubby ALSO makes me think *gasp* Llama is town.

Watching VP jump on Tubby also makes me think *gasp* VP is town.

Watching ALL the scum jump on the Snow wagon and then go "aww, shucks" and jump off again is also cute.

ALTHOUGH, I will say this:

I would like everyone to go through SC's posts via d3 and see if they can find the secret breadcrumb on VP.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:57 pm

In fact while I'm hunting.

Unvote

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:58 pm

Llama I have to assume I could for towns numbers or else... screwed? At this point.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:11 pm

Actually, hell, what I am doing.

THAT DAY SC was talking about someone else being the SK.

Further, N3 when I gave VP a potion and he claimed RB:

8.) SerialClergyman, The Toucher, With the Council, Strangled Night 3
5.) Papa Zito, The Jokester, With the Council, Throat Slit, Night 3

Sooo

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:13 pm

And I -may- have found the breadcrumb to support this although if thats the case I'm gonna shake SC after this game?

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:43 pm

I'm not gonna second guess myself over this anymore.

Vote: SB

Hopefully GHOST DAD will see this and be a helper.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:45 pm

I mean seriously now. Either you and llama played brilliantly or the scum are in the obvious mix.

See my sig.

SpyreX · Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:07 pm

So you've opted to just scum claim then? Woosh.

SpyreX · Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:42 pm

I went through another thinking loop. The only way scum doesnt die is if SB is town, charter is town (or scum who magicly gets better), Sajin is strangler AND one of Spy/VPB is scum.

If all those are true I call shenanigins.

Amen.

Although I will feel dirty if chamber is scum and we win because he gets poisoned because.....I thought he was town so I tried to give him a potion.

SpyreX · Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:52 pm

@Spyrex- So I cannot even talk about the Wifom it is when I said "I know this is scummy but I am going to be lynched so I will tell you my ability type is ??? so that you have this info for future scum hunting" and then you say to me now "Hey, you claimed ??? ability typeing, that is scummy". See my problem with this?

Also, scum have had standard mafia roles on their side. Please explain to me why you think I am more likely mafia because my role sticks out? You state it like it should be obvious when I, looking at the flips so far, am not seeing it at all. Also, chaining lynches WILL lose you games.

It. is. not. about. ???. it. is. about. what. your. role. does. and. your. play.

Yea, you're right about those standard roles:

totally standard roles wrote: 25.) Kublai Khan, The Scribe, With the Converters, Devoured by many tiny little mouths Night 1
11.) dramonic, The Bubble Blower, With the Converters, Lynched Day 3
1.) tubby216, The Happy Hoppy Fuzzy Bunny, With the Converters, Lynched Day 4
3.) Battle Mage, The Sniffer, With the Converters, Lynched Day 5

I mean if you REALLY want I can easily flip my vote. It would even appease GHOST DAD.

SpyreX · Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:18 am

Then make the play argument. I have not seen your case on that. Waiting.

Are you calling tracker hider jailkeeper and scribe not standard then?

The hell? I've been on your ass most of the game for coasting. Which you've done. Maybe if this game is around tomorrow and i'm here you'll get your "case" but I'm not really in a position to need to convince you you are scum.

As for the second part.

Yes, that is totally exactly what they are. I mean, no way they lied about any of that. Not like BM gave us a full set of results or dramonic may have manipulated his targets or that the hider, in fact, could have been making it up entirely.

I will give you scribe is a very standard role though. I see it in every game I play.

SpyreX · Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:22 pm

... Yea, as it sits the votecount IS off isn't it?

SpyreX · Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:30 pm

Ohh the stalling up ins here.

I'm pretty convinced about the path I'm taking and I'm not seeing a whole lot that's gonna change it. I give more than even odds it ends tonight with these (note chambers absence).

REGARDLESS, lets goooo

SpyreX · Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:54 am

@GHOST DAD:

If you are voting Sajin due to some special knowledge vote for me.

SpyreX · Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:25 pm

Actually one could very easily make the argument that in this scenario Sajin-scum is, frankly, screwed if one of chamber/sb are scum.

Unless, of course, he manages to get one of the docs lynched.

SpyreX · Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:02 pm

Again, I will say this: I am not voting you NOW because I think that between chamber's poision and SB's lynch the game will be done.

However, the dichotomy in which you are so flippant to defend yourself yet, ultimately, haven't given me a scenario in which it makes sense for Llama and VP to not share an alignment due to the precise nature of their claims and the order in which they occurred is flabbergasting.

SpyreX · Mon Dec 21, 2009 1:22 pm

Balance is part of it. Play is another.

We get to massclaim and there has been no doctor role claimed. So, VP claims a half-doc. Which, of course is ballsy enough as scum but then we see the other side of the half-doc claimed and no counters.

So, is your counter-argument that VP SK was given specifically half-doc to claim? Or....

SpyreX · Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:49 pm

Exactly.

You would assume that its not in the realm of possibility?

Considering what we've seen this game under the basic tenants of fairness, no.

Tubby's claim in retrospect was fairly off the cuff - mechanically, there should have been a far bigger klaxon raised when the hider had a successful targeting of him.

BM....well, yea. That was definitely made up (whether or not he was actually the tracker is moot).

Dramonic -probably- was a RB, I'll give that. However, considering claiming it was tantamount to suicide (it would have been all but impossible for a claimed RB who was counterclaimed to live) well..

So, this really lends me to believe that the scum were not given true fakeclaims from what we've seen.

Additionally,unless you think there was an absolute pile of WIFOM in VP getting the Scribes note he's pretty much not mafia.

So, the ONLY way for that to work would be the mod giving SK-VP a

perfect

safeclaim to match Llamas. Which, additionally, would serve as another giant middle finger to the scum - the town would have a doc that only protected against their kills. (under the strangle = SK logic).

So, yea, I'm not buying it. I can't.

Whereas on the other hand you have SB a "miller" who has coasted. Hard. And had pretty much all the mafia jump on and then jump RIGHT the hell back off at the first opportunity. I'm calling teaparty.

SpyreX · Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:50 pm

Yes that means I'm expected SB-scum and HOEPFULLY chamber-SK

SpyreX · Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:30 pm

If one is scum and the other SK and that means we either had the doc die early and they both jumped on it AND managed to not kill each other well I will actively petition for both of them to make a new "Awesome" faction and that faction simply wins because... that would be the awesomest thing I ever saw in a mafia game, ever.

SpyreX · Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:34 pm

@Llama:

Is your action "special" as well?

SpyreX · Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:50 pm

Well holy hell.

Hmmm, damnit I actually wasn't expecting that.

SpyreX · Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:57 pm

I dont know what, if anything, that changes.

Anyone crack the rosetta stone that was SC's "breadcrumb"?

SpyreX · Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:45 pm

God damnit llama I missed that - somehow.

OK ALL IS RIGHT WITH THE WORLD CARRY ON

SpyreX · Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:46 pm

Sorry about the blasphemy.

SpyreX · Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:32 pm

Seriously what in the blue blazes is the holdup STILL.

SpyreX · Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:40 pm

I delcare the three of us winners. Everyone else loses.

SpyreX · Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:00 am

... wow. My potions were HORRIBLE. SC touching us the same night we both got cloned. Beautiful.

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However, like I said before I died:

If one is scum and the other SK and that means we either had the doc die early and they both jumped on it AND managed to not kill each other well I will actively petition for both of them to make a new "Awesome" faction and that faction simply wins because... that would be the awesomest thing I ever saw in a mafia game, ever.

This isn't a draw, Awesome faction win.

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The one big thing that got me this game was I was trying SO HARD to get PZ to realize I knew he was the cop and to chill on it one more day. Soo close and then I left and came back to a lynched dram AND a dead PZ.

SpyreX · Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:19 pm

I -almost- gave llama the SK potion. Wouldn't that have been a hoot?

I loved the setup. I loved the players. I HATE roles where I don't know what I'm actually doing though.

SpyreX · Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:07 am

It all fit together so well.

I was a little hesitant after I saw the "Organ Speaker" flip but i talked myself out of it because of how many roles had no correlation between name and ability.

I will give you that the dark voice in the back of my head said that IF you were lying you were the SK.

It just didn't make sense. I think I'm gonna be a little more chill in the next installment - I somehow ended up being gung-ho on a whole mess of lynches.

SpyreX · Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:15 pm

When the other options were a miller and ??? no. No way.

I mean when the SK and the mafia opt to live together in perfect harmony and not try to kill each other *shrug*.