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View Zakeri in ISO.
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0:Joke Vote
1:Joke Vote
2:Fluff
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3: After a hammer has ALREADY OCCURED, this is Zakeri's NEXT post. Attacks Zwet for hammering and questions DN, who has already been lynched.
4: "Is that so?" - Second post of the Day. Either to the NK or to Dramonic's Zwetvote I assume. Either way, I don't like it.
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"The fact that it's not a scumtell is a scumtell itself. "- makes no sense. The only point you can argue on this basis is a policy vote.
"It just means you're volunteering yourself as a justified mislynch because you're willing to unjustifiably mislynch other people. You're basically doing the Mafia's job for them so they don't have to get lynched."- Yep, policy vote. Wait. No vote... Just policy arguments WITHOUT a vote.
"I'm alright with a Vig on Mipe or Zwet. In fact, I'd be happy if both of them died today, so do whichever you want. " - Zakeri is fine with what everyone else says. Vig Zwet (the only player who Zakeri has attacked so far, and only on policy) or Mipe (the other option given).
So, in short, here's my case on Zakeri:
-Active lurking (was here to joke vote and post two other times in the RVS, but nothing else Day 1 and has posted twice already on Day 2 without giving much of anything)
-Has not contributed unless you count agreeing with the vig target suggestions and arguing a policy lynch
-Pushing a policy lynch WITHOUT EVEN VOTING Zwet
Questions for Zakeri:
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-Who do you think is scum?
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Nah. More that the timespan between your two posts was so large. Like RVS -> post-hammer large.Zakeri wrote: You say it like it's my fault I didn't get the chance to check this game between my last post and Zwet being an Idiot.
Why is Zwet in this game so different? If you are against policy lynches, why support one here?Zak wrote: I don't like policy Voting. As much as I enjoy idiots being taken out of the game, I'd still rather lynch scum.
Why not say this before?Zak wrote:Mipe was a good target because he preemptively tried to net town cred on the DN lynch while still voting for him. This is in reference to the "Brainwashed Townie says "I Win" Every post" thing he brought up.
Zak wrote:To answer the other questions, there's not too much to go off of here. I could easily make an argument on any one person that's just as valuable as the next. Right now, I'm having an easier time finding out who can't be scum, but I'd rather not give the mafia a hit list.
Nah, I'd still like to lynch you. Probably will vote you again before this game is over.Zak wrote:Also, KMD, you vote change to Mipe doesn't have anything to do with what Pesco said, did it?On second thought, maybe voting for Mipe is worth it after this quote.
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Let's compare. Hulk has a total of 15 posts:Xylthixlm wrote:
I've been doing pretty much the same thing, and I know I'm town. I have a few mild reads but nothing I'm confident about.Kmd4390 wrote:Hulk hide behind policy lynch all game.
Ihatevillage idiots; they don't just get lynched, it's also hard to separate town from scum on the wagons.
0:Here and ready.
1:Lists (a lot of) lurkers
2:Votes DN (with no listed reasons)
3/4/5:Asks why Zwet is still alive (angry at vig) and votes Zwet, pushing policy.
6/7:Agrees with Zak about policy lynching Zwet. Angry at me for vote. Asserts that Zwet needs to die.
8:Willing to vote Mipe.
9:More Zwet hate, but a Mipe vote.
10:Angry that Zwet is alive.
11:Pushes Zwet as policy lynch again.
12:States that Vaya hammered and asks why.
13:Pushes policy lynch on Zwet.
14:Pesco doesn't make sense.
So, Hulk's contributions:
-Pushes policy lynch on Zwet
-----In agreement with Zak about Zwet
-----Dislikes my vote on Zak
-Votes on both of our mislynches without giving a reason
-The question to Vaya
-Saying Pesco doesn't make sense.
He's used the policy lynch as something to hide behind so he can avoid doing anything else.
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Xyl, you have a total of 47 posts. More than 3 times as many as Hulk.
0:Vote Zwet.
1:DN is scum for claiming nontown. Zwet still needs to die.
2:Explains vote count mechanics. Basically fluff.
3:Votes DN.
4-7:Attacking Zwet, RBT, and Mipe for not voting DN.
8:Questions RBT about DN
9:Pushes DN some more.
10:Calls someone idiots. Not sure who and not really worth going back to look.
11:Pissed at DN (after lynch). Votes Zwet, I assume on policy.
12:Satisfied with a vig on Mipe.
13/14:Questions Mipe.
15:Says he'd be ok with a vig on Zwet, but prefers Mipe because he thinks Mipe is scum and Zwet is only on policy.
16/17:Interacting with Zwet.
18:Agrees with Zak about Zwet/Mipe
19:Specifies that the Zwet vote has nothing to do with the hammer.
20:Dislikes my Zak case.
21:Votes Mipe.
22:Calls for more votes on Mipe.
23:More disagreement with my Zak vote.
24/25:Questions me.
26/27/28/29:Mufasa is scum. Pesco needs to be re-evaluated.
30:Spy is town.
31/32/33:Interacts with Dramonic, then says he has a small town read on Dramonic.
34:More Mipe hate.
35/36:Theory arguments (used to push points. not fluff)
37:Frustration with Mipe (after lynch)
38:Still happy with the Mipe lynch even though he was town.
39:Translates Zwet's post.
40:Says he's done the same as Hulk. I'll stop here because anything after this came AFTER the fact that I called out Hulk, and won't be useful to proving my point.
Xyl's contributions:
-Pushes policy lynch on Zwet
-Votes on both of our mislynches, but with reasons
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-Has questioned several players.
-Has given reads on several players.
-Asserts stances on more than just Zwet.
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Similarites between Hulk and Xyl:
-Push policy lynch on Zwet.
-Agree with Zak, disagree with me, regarding Zwet.
-Voted on both mislynches.
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Differences between Hulk and Xyk:
-Hulk is doing nothing but pushing Zwet. Xyl has contributed aside from that.
-Xyl explained why he voted on both mislynches AND continued to push after he voted. Hulk did neither of the two.
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So while I'm not going to be quick to call Xyl town (I didn't mention this above, but I don't like the post-lynch comments on DN and Mipe), he's obviously not hiding behind Zwet the way Hulk is.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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1st bold: I obviously believe you about giving Pesco a double vote. But if the ability was given to you, and was not part of your role, it doesn't make you any more likely to be town.Zakeri wrote:Pesco doesn't have the answer for this either. I do.
Last night, Iwas giventhe opportunity to give someone a double vote. There are 14 votes in play right now, which makes the majority eight votes instead of seven. Everyone not on the votecount is at L-8, Vaya is at L-7 because he has one vote, and the other two both have two votes on them.
I didn't expect it to have any affect on the majority, but there you go.
Also,I don't have a reason for why I choose to give it to Pesco.It was very likely a subconscious nod to a previous game where we were a scum pair and he could secretly hammer a wagon in addition to his in thread vote.
Cut: I really shouldn't start browsing other websites in the middle of posting here.
2nd bold: Absolutely terrible. Not even a "He looks town", but just the fact that you were scum with him in another game? You are obviously scum with Hulk.
I assumed that he meant this.Xylthixlm wrote: Zakeri, one question, which you may answer if you think it is beneficial. By "I was given the opportunity to give someone a double vote" do you mean this was not a normal part of your role?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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I can see Vi giving a town inventor things that can hurt the town. Then again, the kill doesn't have to be fake. It could be a SpyGambit of some sort (I doubt this, but it's possible) or the kill could have been stopped some other way.dramonic wrote: What type of town inventor would give fake-daykills?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Not seeing Plum's case on Dramonic. His explanation makes sense.
Tubby needs to catch up and give opinions. At the very least, give opinions on what you've read so far.
I could support a Zakeri lynch still. Hulk votes would be awesome too.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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As I said before, he needs to catch up soon. At the very least, he should give opinions on what heXylthixlm wrote:Speaking of which, exactly how long do we intend to let tubby go without contributing? I asked this before but nobody answered.hasread so far.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Wait, scum tried to kill me? (At least, if you are town they did)Zakeri wrote:Night one, I was given the ability to busdrive. Knowing I could only use this ability for that night, I wanted to make it a good one, since it could potentially kill a mafioso in my hands. I reread the Game during the night, and I picked KMD out as scum for this post:
Guess you're just that good that everyone hands you stuff. Be sure to let us know what everyone gives you tomorrow. XDSpyreX wrote:Actually, I don't want to get into specifics... but I got two actions n1. :O
*Wonders why no one's given ME anything*
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If Dramonic and I are the only town, we're fucked.Mufasa wrote:Hulk- Masking all game, I do not like the way he can't hold opinion on people, seems like scum setting up for mislynches.
KMD- The facts about him being bussed night one prove interesting, leaning town.
Elmo- His Consistency of avoiding contact with me makes me think he must not be part of my allignment with town, leaning scum.
Spyrex- Town Remarks, but something erks me about him.
Zwet- Not helpful to the town by only voting to hammer. Policy lynch possible.
XYL- I have my thoughts about this one, I think town, but I I have a wretched feeling that he's scum.
Pesco47- Don't know why he shared so many of the same feelings as me, I assume that he is neutral.
Zakeri- Scum....
Plum- Has been targeting various people, feeling on him is neutral.
Tubby- Post some moar, Town or Scum.... Policy Lynch
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I'm claiming info. Dramonic and I both targeted Spy last night.Xylthixlm wrote:
That sounds dangerously like a soft claim. Are you claiming role info? (A "yes" or "no" will suffice here.)Kmd4390 wrote:Dramonic before Pesco. Dramonic before anyone. He's scum. Trust me.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Can't be right. You and I targeted Spy. No one else did.dramonic wrote:a role that make EVERY action during the night target the same person AKA the lightning rod.
This doesn't explain SpyreX's death, but I know I'm not responsible for it.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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So Dramonic can target someone and if they target him, they are redirected to someone else?
-How likely does it seem that this will even be useful?
-How does this sound like a town role?
-How did Spy die if Dramonic didn't kill him?
-Why would he target the towniest players?
Zak, yes, the ability I used last night lists ALL players to target Spy. The names that came up were Dramonic's and my own.
Xyl, I didn't target Dramonic (though I almost did). I targeted Spy. It was partially a guess on scum's kill, but also something else that is directly related to my role (I'd rather not claim yet).KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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-Only if you:dramonic wrote:
-Screws the mafia killKmd4390 wrote:So Dramonic can target someone and if they target him, they are redirected to someone else?
-How likely does it seem that this will even be useful?
-How does this sound like a town role?
-How did Spy die if Dramonic didn't kill him?
-Why would he target the towniest players?
-Considering a scum with my role could protect himself against basically anyone who claim, how'd that ever be balanced?
-I've given my (doubtful) theory
-Not towniest. Also, Xyl and you aren't dead as far as I know <<
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-A role being powerful doesn't mean it can't exist. It would just mean that the scum have one less member than you'd expect or town has powerful roles too.
-It is a FACT that Spy was:
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-Towniest in most peoples' eyes.
Unless something weird happened (which I wouldn't completely discredit), pretty much that.tubby216 wrote: and so scum is either dram or kmd and everyone is leaning dram.
is that it it or do i need to read more?
I'm confirmed if Zakeri is town.tubby216 wrote:did i miss the boat? cause i see the questioning of dram and the on and on wich is good ,,fat guy likes.
But is KMD confirmed town at this point? I mean is there nothing to be looked at or am i rehashing old crap?
I don't want Dramonic and myself both alive in any possible future LYLO situation. Because I'm confirmed if Zakeri is town, I shouldn't be lynched unless Zakeri is lynched first. Therefore, Dramonic or Zakeri needs to be lynched today.Xylthixlm wrote:Augh. I don't know what to think on the Kmd vs. dramonic thing, so right now I'm going to go with the person I'm pretty sure is scum.
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(Take a look at where Pesco was on Mufasa's scumlist, relative to other players. Then take a look at everything Pesco has said about Mufasa. You'll find something interesting.)
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I assume Dramonic is being lynched today. And Zakeri needs to die. If he's town, I'm confirmed and the Pesco connection is gone. If he's scum, Pesco is very likely scum (and yes, my alignment is back up in the air).Xylthixlm wrote:
WTF??!Kmd4390 wrote:If I have the ability to kill tonight, I'll shoot Zakeri
Why would you shoot Zakeri rather than, oh, dramonic?
Actually, if we have two scumteams, I'm not confirmed either way, but still. Zakeri can't live to endgame. Neither can Dramonic or Pesco.
You may have missed it, but I've thought you were scum for a long time. I was even voting you and pushing your lynch before I pushed Hulk, remember?Zakeri wrote:That is alarming. Why would you choose to shoot to confirm you're town over shooting to hit scum and possibly end the game.
^Possible Dramonicbuddy who is bussing.Zakeri wrote:Well, I'm certain Dramonic is scum, and I have no more reason to delay ending the day, soVote: Dramonic. Seriously, if you've been paying attention to this day and don't want to lynch Dramonic, you're either scum, or incredulously self-centered.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Xylthixlm wrote: The correct answer was "because I think he's scum". That answer... was not correct. Why does it matter if Zakeri dies and confirms you?
IKmd4390 to Zakeri in that same post wrote: You may have missed it, butI've thought you were scum for a long time.I was even voting you and pushing your lynch before I pushed Hulk, remember?dothink Zakeri is scum. I just think Dramonic ismore likelyto be scum considering my result on him. So I assume we are lynching Dramonic, leaving Zak alive for a kill that I may or may not have tonight.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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No benefit? Do you disagree that having confirmed players is a good thing?Xylthixlm wrote: I do not understand your thinking here. At all. Under the hypothetical case where Zakeri is town, I can understand why a scum would want someone who confirmed them to die and come up town, but I cannot see why a town would want that. It just paints a big "confirmed town" target on you for no benefit.
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You're missing the part where Zakeri probably isn't town. Also, from an outside view, if Zakeri is scum, me not being a lynch candidate is a bad thing because I could be scum. I personally know this to be untrue, but it means Zakeri and myself being alive in LYLO would be a bad thing.Xylthixlm wrote:
I disagree that, in the case where you and Zakeri are both town, having Zakeri dead rather than some other random townie would be beneficial to you or to the town. You would not be a lynch candidate either way. Am I wrong?Kmd4390 wrote:
No benefit? Do you disagree that having confirmed players is a good thing?Xylthixlm wrote: I do not understand your thinking here. At all. Under the hypothetical case where Zakeri is town, I can understand why a scum would want someone who confirmed them to die and come up town, but I cannot see why a town would want that. It just paints a big "confirmed town" target on you for no benefit.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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I'm not ignoring it. Just curious why, if we have two scum teams, there was only one kill on the first two nightsdramonic wrote:You,re still ignoring the options of two scumteams Kmd.
What does a delayed kill do? And what evidence are you talking about? My result on you? The only way it's untrue are if I'm lying, if scum have an untraceable/hitman, or if Spy died in his own way (unlikely for a RB) AND the scum kill was stopped.Dramonic wrote:Also, there is also the possibility of a delayed kill. Your "evidence" wuld be good if this was a normal setup, but this isn't.
I may or may not have used an ability on those nights. I'd rather not fullclaim at this point.Xylthixlm wrote:Kmd, one more question: Did you use your ability nights 1 and 2?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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I haven't done a full analysis. Just looked over them a little. If I ever get some time to sleep though, I'll try to look closer and post what I have.Plum wrote:Kmd, can you share your votecount analysis?
Mufasa was never lynched so distancing was still plausible. Dramonic, I could see you bussing after a guilty result.Sotty7 wrote:I'd also like to see the vote count analysis you did KMD. The only scum I didn't help lynch was Hulk, I was voting Mufasa and I also voted for Dram yesterday when Xyl pretty much was laying the ground work that both of you were town.
Unvotethough until I do a better analysis.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Vote Count:
DeathNote(LYNCH) ~ Kmd4390,The Incredible Hulk, dramonic,Xylthixlm, Plum,SpyreX,Pesco47,mipe, zwetschenwasser
Zakeri (L-8) ~forbiddanlight
zwetschenwasser (L-8) ~Mufasa
forbiddanlight(L-8) ~ Zakeri
Elmo (L-8) ~ Elmo
Riceballtail(L-8) ~ Sotty7
Not Voting:DeathNote, Riceballtail, Vaya
I'll be honest, I really don't see much here. I'm not sure if more scum would be on the lynch than what we've already found or not. The only non-voter who is still alive was eventually replaced. Elmo's self-vote at deadline is anti-town, but not necessarily scummy. Zwet hammers regardless. The best bet for finding scum is probably a lone-voter, Zakeri or Sotty. I don't have much confidence in a look at this lynch though.
Vote Count:
mipe(LYNCH) ~ Sotty7, Xylthixlm, Zakeri,dramonic,SpyreX, forbiddanlight,The Incredible Hulk, Vaya
Zakeri (L-7) ~ Kmd4390
SpyreX (L-7) ~mipe
Kmd4390 (L-7) ~Pesco47
Not Voting: Elmo,Mufasa, Plum, zwetschenwasser
Xyl is the only living name to appear on both mislynches. This would implicate him, but I have a town read so far. Maybe Xyl is scum who is playing well? Elmo, after the self-vote, not voting catches my attention. I remember thinking he was town after my quick scan. I'm starting to wonder why. I'm not so sure I see the first three votes on this Day 2 mislynch being town though. Sotty/Xyl/Zakeri are those votes. Notice Sotty and Zakeri being the two I mentioned on the Day 1 VC.
Because the above is a bit confusing, here's the order of liklieness for players being scum: Zakeri, Sotty, Xyl, Elmo, Vaya (Tubby), Plum, Zwet.
The Incredible Hulk(L+1) ~ Kmd4390, Elmo,SpyreX, Xylthixlm,Mufasa, tubby216,dramonic,Pesco47
Mufasa(L-6) ~ Sotty7, Plum
Xylthixlm (L-7) ~ Zakeri
Not Voting:The Incredible Hulk, zwetschenwasser
Ok, so Dramonic bussed. Mufasa bussed if he was with the scumteam. Sotty, Plum, and Zakeri avoided the wagon. Zwet wasn't voting at all. But Dramonic is relatively new. Would he bus without a more experienced partner doing so before him? Elmo's vote looks too early to be a bus. I think this may be why I got my town read on him.
Ok, new list: Zakeri, Xyl, Sotty, Plum, Tubby, Zwet, Elmo.
dramonic(LYNCH) ~ Kmd4390, Plum, Zakeri, Sotty7, Elmo, zwetschenwasser
Pesco47(L-4) ~ Xylthixlm, tubby216
tubby216 (L-5) ~Pesco47
Not Voting:dramonic
With the guilty result, it's harder to discount the possibility of bussing. Xyl going against the lynch is ballsy if he is scum knowing his buddy is the victim of a guilty result. But then he calls me town too and goes after Pesco, trying to get attention away from the situation entirely. Tubby follows Xyl. Hmm.
List:
Xyl, Zakeri, Sotty, Tubby, Plum, Zwet, Elmo
Vote Xyl
Another thought crossing my mind is maybe there is no remaining mafia and we are dealing with a 3rd party still alive.-
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One buddy is being anti-town and wagoned. Why not bus? But when a buddy is already dead, and you can try to deflect the wagon on another, why not do it? And I don't really know your scum meta. I don't think I've ever seen you as scum.
I don't think you'd say you have a "famous" meta if you didn't though.
Unvote, Vote Zakeri
Xyl is confirmed town.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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