California Trilogy: City of Angels - On Camera (Game Over)

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Kelly Garrett turns, face visible, eyes glistening.

I cannot believe you would outright disrespect my wish Ms. Newmar!

Kelly Garrett makes a barely noticeable gesture to John Locke and quickly looks up.

Ah Ms. Fisher! I am glad you were picked for this game show! Lord knows you need some relief with your drug and mental abuse history! That being said, are you apt to handle the decision? With family problems on top of that, I'm not sure if you're up to job. I do hope everything resolves itself shortly though...

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Why is Carrie still allowed to speak with her mental issues?

Give the poor woman a break already! Nothing can happen while she is here crying hysterics.

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Seriously guys, just ignore that crazy lady. Even I would be a better person to listen to, for I'm an angel! Where's divine intervention when you need it?

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Even if Ms. Fisher had any smarts to make her decision, her mental issues would befuddle the information so much that it would be helpful.

It seems like she is confusing her hallucinations with reality, and I cannot let these wonderful charities rely on a loony for money.

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Hey Dweebzil, does it really matter which door the kook tells you contains the ingredients of the poisoned chalice?

Either way, maybe the magic will have cured her head problems! I say this because mi caballo mago cured all sorts of problems!

Let's wait to hear her speak before making too hasty of a judgment though.

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You do not have any memory of when you were drunk? Of any tells you may have picked up from the host that would indicate which Door we should pick?

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I've gone back and forth over this decision and what Ms. Fisher would do many times, and frankly, I just can't outguess Ms. Fisher! But lucky me here, I've found this coin in my pocket!

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Well, there is a reason for everything, and God's will seems to have decided that the correct Door is

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Are we really debating over which door will have the goat? If this weren't for charity, we'd have just waved it off as 50/50. Hell chances are Carrie picked at randomly. Why shouldn't we?

Door 2 please

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As an angel, I can always see the good in everyone's hearts. Glork and Lance Ito were nothing but two of the most charitable men I ever knew. I mourn their loss greatly. There is 0% chance that I could ever see them doing evil!

Kelly sniffles

But I must change topics now or I will burst out into hysterics. Talk no more of this please, take my word.

Hey Tabris! Didn't expect to find you here! Why didn't you tell me you were coming?

Also Mr. Locke, you found a note in your pocket but do not know anything? Could you elaborate?

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Oops, I opened my mouth before I could process the conversation that occurred.

Mr. Locke, do you think two of them are liars? If so, how can there be a "the" bad choice?

Mr. Odbody, please reveal what you know. We need everything we can to make sure we are not deceived!

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Mr. Odbody also seems like a wise man!

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So if the LIAR is NOT right before the Truth Teller, then the Liar is after the Truth Teller. This implies that the Maiden is the Truth Teller, the Mother is the liar, and the Crone flip flops, correct?

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Oh no, Mr. Odbody and Mr. Locke are in conflict.

Kelly Garret pouts.

Think deeply, are any of you misrecalling?

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Well I suppose the Truth Teller could be the Crone. In that case, the Liar does not come before the Crone, as there is nothing that comes before the Crone!

Mr. Locke, I have a minor point, does your note specify immediately before or simply before?

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I believe A could be Good, B Neutral, and C Bad as well.

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I see no flaws.

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If the Mother turns out to mislead us, then we know that the Mother is not the only liar. Thus, I think the Mother is our best bet. After all, who wouldn't listen to their Mother?

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Tabris, your lovesickness seems to be taking over you right now

Despite what I feel amount Mr. Odbody personally, I believe he isn't senile enough yet for his advice to be distrusted.

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Everyone has a little bit of good in them. Sometimes it's radiating from them, at others it's buried deep and requires the threat of a lynch rope to draw it out.

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If you guys are hoping for some Divine Intervention to get rid of Mr. Odbody somehow, then don't hold your breath.

Some undependable helper didn't delegate properly and now God is angry with us and will not do any favors for us until the delegation is fulfilled.

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Tabris, I find your accusation that our fellow beings who are up to no good are going to make sure we are sidetracked on this one in particular because of their recent failings faulty. Since I believe a death is always more momentous and tragic than being misled, if they were to sacrifice one of themselves simply for a decision, then it would be a decision based on emotion rather than logic. While in individuals, that often happens, it rarely happens in groups.

As such, I am inclined to trust Mr. Odbody and go with the Mother

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Tabris, your reasoning that everyone who does not agree with you has evil intentions is getting tiring. In addition, it leads to easy manipulation whenever someone buddies you. Please reevaluate your thinking.

Your point that any evil organization only needs two people to function is flawed, because if such an organization only had two people, they would be severely limited, and would be the worst case evil organization that could still be considered an "evil organization", making any past decisions completely irrelevant.

Also, let's all state our preferences, even if we don't vote explicitly.

Vote Mother, Crone, Maiden

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Kelly covets whatever Count de Morcerf is using

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Kelly rolls her eyes at the Angel. She opens her mouth, but stops short. She surely has something to say, but perhaps cannot articulate it at the moment.

Why has no one noticed that we can state our opinions without putting it to an official vote? If we ever run out of time in our decision, our opinions will take priority!

And do you truly believe our friend Mr. Odbody would've given us a bold-face lie? He does not seem like the type of man to stick his neck out when it may not be necessary.

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Ms. Garrett reflects.

Does anyone remember whether two of these delicious looking items would be poisoned?

Or was one poisoned, one only mildly spoiled, and one absolutely scrumptious?

Both possibilities have been laid out, but which is the case here?

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Well then, this seems straightforward. And unlike last time where I thought the information was quite obvious, hopefully we'll actually go with the obvious choice this time.

Until then, is there anything important we should do to pass the time? Or can we simply sit down and play cards?

Vote: Tequila, [Buttery Nipple, Vodka]

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I'm frightened that Mr. Locke, who is not with us at the moment, has been working against us all along.

Imagine if he trapped five or six good players in a room together and forced them to kill one! What if he's been doing that constantly and has finally decided to sacrifice himself?

Kelly Garrett breaks down in hysterics.

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My oh my! There have been 327 deaths, the majority of which happened with the USS Cyclops. Isn't that taking tragedy a bit too far?

Kelly Garrett looks queasy.

I really need some tequila to drown my woes away...

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I cannot believe I supported a corrupt man. Oh of course I would like to see justice brought to the rope! He took advantage of my trust and abused me!

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I seem to recall some earlier gossip between us Mr. Jones. While I do not remember the particulars, you concluded Ms. Wiggin was an oddball child while I thought that it was actually Mr. Locke who was the kooky one. Has your opinion changed in retrospect?

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Well I certainly hope that our questions to anybody not present with us may be relayed through God to the appropriate person, and they can prepare a response for whenever we meet up with them again.

Wouldn't that be quaint?　And all you have to do is believe!

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Ms. Garrett would like to know if Mr. Zappa showed up to our meeting uninvited, whose invitation exactly did he steal?

And like others have said, why was DEATH given an invitation?

Sometimes Mr. Locke's mind works in mysterious ways, and there needs to be more transparency.

As of right now, it seems foolish to try and rock the boat when people are getting restless for something to drink, and the tequila has looked like a safe choice thus far. There certainly will be a lot to see though...

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Someone ask the question "Does the set 1,2,3,4,5 contain a Very Good?"

32% chance of no (60C5/75C5) => does the set {1,2,3,4,5,6}, {1,2,3,4,5,24}, {1,2,3,4,5,81} etc. contain a Very Good?

78% chance of finding one over 6 tries (1-55C6/70C6)
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If yes, does the set {2,3,4,5,6}, {1,3,4,5,6}, {1,2,4,5,6}, etc. contain a very good?

If 6 is Very Good, every answer will be a Yes, and we will have found one. If 6 isn't, we will find the one that is in 5 questions, and will have a 6th question to double check.

Overall, 93.00% chance of finding a Very Good one.

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Now I don't think we should choose 1,2,3,4,5 but rather 5 random numbers.

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I'm heading out soon so I'm only on here for a short while but Mr. Godwin, could you actually calculate the probability of 6 not being Very Good and there being >1 very goods in the set {1,2,3,4,5}? I can do it later when I come back but I'd like to make progress ASAP as I don't trust the off stage people at all.

Also keep in mind that method only takes up 6 questions, so would we be able to salvage some of the chance with a 7th question?


Also, WHERE IS OUR STUNTMAN?

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Revised plan:

Someone ask the question "Does the set 1,2,3,4,5 contain a Very Good?"

32% chance of no (60C5/75C5) => Thok's plan?
I also realized that if we ask {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10}, it'll be more efficient. If we get a No, we can search another 4, then 3, then 2, etc.
If we get a yes, we can use the remaining questions to ask {1,2,3,4,5,6}, {1,2,3,4,5,7}, {1,2,3,4,5,8} etc.

47% chance of yes and there being 1 => If yes, does the set {2,3,4,5,6}, {1,3,4,5,6}, {1,2,4,5,6}, etc. contain a very good?

21% chance of yes and 2 => After two questions further questions, if we receive two Yes, we'll try and find another sent without a Very Good maybe and then use it as a baseline to ask about this set? Worst comes to worst, we have a 40%+ likely-hood of getting one in this scenario, which is the least common one.

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I'm not understanding your plan Tabris, could you formulate it all into one speech?

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Kelly talks as if possessed.

I do not think Mr. Green was Vanilla.

Kelly sudden comes to, shaking her head. Her brows furrow, and she seems to have no recollection of what just happened.

My List
Dweezil Zappa, played by Mighty Orbots
Carrie Fisher, played by VP Baltar
DEATH, played by Talilan
Glen Stewart Godwin, played by Thok
Tabris, played by GoofballsAndBaloons
Count de Morcerf, played by hewitt

It seems as if I should go first.

Kelly tunes her ears to atmospheric noise and spits out the numbers almost if robotically

74
14
39
23
51
18
52
37
69
63
47
66
20
34
5
56
41
1
25
6
16
58
62
10
35
53
71
70
8
22
13
4
72
40
27
54
17
33
64
29
12
48
57
26
67
73
28
7
42
59
60
32
65
43
21
46
36
44
11
2
55
24
3
30
50
75
31
45
9
15
38
49
61
68
19

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I will be asking if the set {74, 14, 39, 23, 51} contains at least 1 very good now.

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Already asked the question, the set {74, 14, 39, 23, 51} does NOT contain at least 1 very good, meaning we now have an empty baseline for other sets.

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Isn't it more optimal to ask for 4?

Does set {74, 14, 39, 23, 51, 18, 52, 37, 69} contain at least 1


If Yes, we break it into 2 {74, 14, 39, 23, 51, 18, 52} contain?
If yes, {74, 14, 39, 23, 51, 18}, If yes, pick 18, if no pick 52
If No, does {74, 14, 39, 23, 51, 37} contain? If yes, pick 37, If no pick 69
Then we have 4 questions to entirely repeat this process with different people.


If the addition of a set of 4 new numbers STILL gives no very good, then we simply add on the next four. At any point when we discover one, it merely takes two questions to find the exact very good.

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Mr. Godwin, for the initial questions of my plan, there are a lot of opportunities to double check. If for some reason we are getting no luck at all, then later we can switch to only asking about two further numbers, which requires one less question to double check.

On that note, I need to relieve myself in the bathroom.

How much longer do you guys think you will need me here? I hear the lines for the bathroom are very long, bingo night always stimulating the bladders and all.

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Yep

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The first number 15 or lower doesn't come until the 15th number in my sequence.

I'm hoping that the scum didn't load up 1-15 as Very Good.

If we can get a consensus, does anyone want to replace one of the numbers we are about to ask next with 5?

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Thinking about relieving either Mr. Lewis or Mr. Locke with duty. What do you guys think?

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So do we agree that DEATH should ask about {74, 14, 39, 23, 51, 63, 47, 66, 20, 34, 5, 56, 41} next?

I will be inquiring about Mr. Lewis soon. Hopefully if Mr. Lewis is ill, and it would be a bad time to visit him as he is about to die, then someone from heaven will send down a warning light within the next 24 hours. Otherwise the swap will proceed.

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I'm fine with someone else re-randomizing, preferably Orbots?

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So Mr. Jones has not been seen since Friday at around 1:10 in the morning in the General Discussion area of the town it appears. I wonder if he is around to signal? Should I just go ahead and switch with Mr. Lewis? (who I believe has alternative intentions)

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Well personally I believe two of the four people who are not with us at the moment to be highly suspicious. Another one of them I quite trust his judgment, just because he is a latecomer to the game.

I wanted to get rid of one of the people I do not trust as part of the decision process going on somewhere else but if people do not believe it is a good idea, that is fine.

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By the way, Kelly has a celebrity appearance to make for charity this Thursday morning to Sunday afternoon. Kelly may be able to check in with you guys by video chat or something possibly but is not sure yet.

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Time is really of the essence folks.

I fear that Mr. Morcerf may not show up in time. If so Mr. Zappa, you will have to fulfill his duties if it reaches a point where we cannot wait any longer.

Since I do not know when I will have access again,

Vote [34, 5, 56, 41], [1-4, 6-13, 15-17, 19-22, 24-33, 35-38, 40, 42-50, 53-55, 57-68, 70-73, 75], [74, 14, 39, 23, 51, 18, 52, 37, 69]

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Well, looks like I'm a bit late to the party.

Choice to not check 41 is interesting considering the strain of 'No's...

Oh well, guess we'll wait and see.

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Oops, didn't see this game was over.

Well, the masonry definitely helped take a lot of insaneness out of this game for me, although we did have some pretty convoluted speculation at times. (For example, at the start of the game, after Glork posted his hewitt is 99% confirmed thing, sottyrulez and I thought that maybe they were another mason pair and were suspicious that Glork was a scum mason)

The really annoying thing about this game is I was extremely close to stunting On Stage for Talilan as soon as I saw the people in the Scene. With Talilan dead and Innocent in the Endgame, I would have certainly pushed for StarKiss first as I thought hewitt was pretty protown. If Talilan was alive I would have probably pushed for her first though seeing as GnB never fired her and some of her scene decisions seemed sketchy to me.

I really think it was actually the Assistant Producer who let us down in this game. Panzerjager really made terrible picks to hold the roles and his unnecessary drawing attention to the fact I had information from Off Stage was really stupid.

Good game scum.

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Can I point out a lurker hunt would've netted us 3/5 of the scum (Thok, Pooky, StarKiss)?