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Hey guys, replacing in shortly.

Just some things I'm noticing... (before getting my Role PM)
-This post of Tjoe feels like an over reaction
-I like Jordan here.
-It just feels like Rai is hoping the wagons :/, I hope it changes...?
-Noted Drench. Good find, I thought something similar, but not that in depth. Also, yes a newbie card I would agree.
-Drench - If you know that Data had never answered it.. Then why didn't you call him out on it?
-Back Pedaling? by Fishy. Kinda scummy.
-GG Calling it a pressure vote. basically nullifies your temporary vote.
-However, a protown post from fishy
-Very interesting gambit there. I like it. But what makes you so sure that scum Data would claim Miller after you "investigated" him? I don't think I would have jumped on that as scum. That would be a very opportunistic gambit for scum to make. Also, a rash decision. Also, Millers usually claim day 1 (first post usually), or not claim at all. Usually (in my experience) when claiming miller after your first post usually gets you killed. He could have that that when he responded. Therefore nullifying your "investigative" claim because you didn't advance with it. I like it, but I think it's flawed. I

think

would have continued to pressure him.
-Post 171 - I take it, that it's like following Battle Mage.
-Feels OMGUSy-like vote to me.

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-If it were a scum gambit... and we lynched a Town PR, then the town would auto lynch him the next day.
-I'm getting scum vibes from Rai based on this post. You vote Tjoe, want him speed lynched, Then you out of the blue say you support a jordan Lynch, then vote jordan, and also out of the blue you say that you support a Mufasa lynch, and would hammer. This feels like fence-sitting, careless voting (in that you just want a lynch), it just feels as if you want someone to be lynched. you don't even have any real cases on them. Your reasons for wanting a quick lynch in your ISO #6, don't even mention why you

think

he is scum. You're probably going to gain my vote soon enough.
-BUT YOU WANTED HIS QUICK-LYNCH LAST PAGE!!!! Why the

sudden

change?
-What The F! Why?

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-Good point, i guess.
-lulz. At least I can appreciate the humor too

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page......
-this doesn't help your case at all.
-so wait... you think that Mufasa actually has a case on Llama?
-In my experience, when role claims are extremely vague and it tends to be a scum-tell.
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@Mod

- Please don't. My brother did that to my PC. Totally sucks.

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Part Duex:

EBWOP:

-In my experience, when role claims are extremely vague and continue to stay vague, it tends to be a scum-tell.

-I don't like this. Why, because he posts almost directly after Cater's list. Cater also listed Malcolm as prob/scum. Feels slightly OMGUSy, considering Malcolm didn't take time to question Cateraction.
-Bam. You're getting my vote as soon as I get my role pm!
-Good post, however, after Cater's post... It makes me feel uneasy.
- This warrants a "WTFuck!" You have gone through.... several players who you have called scum. Why do you constantly change your list? Why cateraction first? Llama has been a much more active leader than Cater. Cater just recently called you scum. That's why I feel this is mostly OMGUSy. I just don't like this post at all. I don't like how big your "scum list" is.
-I see it more as a pressure vote.
-So are you trying to say that Rai is setting up several mislynches?

Against My better judgement...
-I wrote this all out before my other games that I am already in, and have prods from
-wrote this before I got my Role PM.

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I will vote when I get my role PM.

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@BC: If you intend to use that posting style to replace/comment (here or elsewhere) I'd advise you to give the names of the people relevant to each line. Otherwise there's a big risk that they don't read questions intended for them.

I see your point :/

And you're right. Sorry guys. Hopefully it won't always be like that.

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Unvote:
Vote: Raivann

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I'd lynch SP for this comment too.

He still thinks Mufasa is scum? I can guarantee Mufasa is town.

The only way you can guarantee it is if you are scum, and even then there is still a chance you could be wrongs. So wait... No.... you can't guarantee it, even if you are scum.

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I will vote when I get my role PM.

Why?

Because I didn't know my alignment when writing my review/analysis.

The only way you can guarantee it is if you are scum, and even then there is still a chance you could be wrongs. So wait... No.... you can't guarantee it, even if you are scum.

This post screams scum.

I wrote that because it's a bastard mod game. How does it scream scum? Even as scum in a game there wouldn't be a guarantee of knowing anything. You think that my post was scummy, but isn't This post inherently scummy? (Raivann).

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Saw that already. Question still stands though. How could your allignment have changed the vote you were gonna place, when you had already stated in the topic who is scummy and why.

Since anything that you post before knowing your alignment is necessarily a nulltell, this line of questioning seems extremely pointless.

The first bit is true. That it's pointless is not. I'm waiting for BC to explain why his vote should have been influenced by his allignment, while his analysis shouldn't have been.
Due to this, his statements come across as fake.

i don't if I can come up with a suitable answer for you. i've been pondering over this question for quite some time. I think part of it, was not sure if I should vote because i didn't know if the mod would count it, and the other was A preference. More so, depending on my alignment it could have swayed my vote, onto a player that was less scummy than my partner. (

note: this is hypothetical example

) Didn't want to jump into a game pressuring someone who I was scum with, when the pressure wasn't planned a head of time through some sort of quick topic. That's just personal preference. Of Course, what I should have done was wait to give any analysis. However I thought it would be the most unbiased and help the town if I went to do it before I read my role PM. I probably should have gone into detail in my first response, but I guess i just figured you would understand.

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Col.Colhart, Are you an unlimited shot dayvig?

Unvote:
Vote: Datadanne

That is awful.

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Their moving the game to another forum? I missed that one...

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BLEH >.<

Unvote:
Vote: Raivann

I still don't like you.

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IMO, a night vig is very easy to claim day one as scum. What if night 1 there is only one kill, and it's town. Scum that claimed vig can say that was them, and they had a bad call. Then what if there is never two kills at night. If that be the case, then I say it would likely be that this player that claimed vig is really scum. Imagine if we had zero kills night one, or night two. "oh, I must have gotten blocked." It's an extremely hard claim to justify at the moment. That's why I feel uneasy about it.[/list]

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Hmm... i guess your right, and not that I look back at it. I see that there are three night 0 kills. So I am wrong for the most part I guess.

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No, I did count that in there.

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My main reason for thinking

we

are in one faction is that he was revealed as simply "mafia", not "x mafia" -

Freudian slip n. A verbal mistake that is thought to reveal a repressed belief, thought, or emotion.

FoS:Fishy
FoS:Data

But doesn't that tend to sexual repression mainly?

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BC

, instead of going into dictionary mode, you may respond to this post aimed at you.

sorry. Yea, I read his claim. But at the time I forgot we had a night start, being that I replaced in at page 14 or something.

Couldn't we ask him to Vig someone in specific, and if he didn't do that, we would lynch him?

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Zazie, is it normal for you to not vote at all until deadline? Because, I don't remember it like that. you have obviously listed several scummy things in players, and i see that you haven't voted (from what I could tell of a skin in ISO).

I was going to mention for the above post, that if it doesn't sit well with you, then why don't you vote. Then I noticed you didn't have a vote out there, the entire time you replaced.

And Actually, the mod has you in as voting for X, however you unvoted him here. I guess my question is, why not vote out there?

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That post you linked to states:
Unvote vote X_~

That post contains my vote against X_~

My sincere apologies, I misread that post.

Regarding Data's claim.
Yes, but at the time that I wrote that, it must have slipped my mind. Either that, or i was mixing up games.

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Unvote:
Vote: X_~

That last post is bad.

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BC

and

Tjoe

, why don't you like X_~'s post?

I don't like the bolded.

I don't like the sks at all.

ZazieR, I'll respond to people I actually trust,

not one who attacks everyone and automatically assumes one is scum if your questions aren't answered/

And basically the fact that he thinks that you are anti-town. Even though he has not really made an effort to answer any questions.

In his defense, you seem to be a lot more aggressive in this game than others Zaz.

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Catching up now. I had a really long, bad, awful weekend. I'm gonna shoot for a post tonight.

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I should be getting a prod real soon. Not much to say at the moment that I can think off of the top of my head. I still like the X_~ wagon though.

and...

im opting out

who are you?

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Do you think that Zaz is scum?

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One thing that I have noticed about Zazie, is that he seems really aggressive this game, compared to others that i am in with him currently, and in the past.

Vote: ZazieR

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Why don't we just have the day vig deal with Zazie.

Damn, who was llama pushing for lynch day 1? I'll try and do an iso re-read when I finish my paper. Note, that might be tomorrow.

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In this large of a game, it would make sense for more than one faction.

However, note that there were only two kills N0, and two kills N1.

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Unvote:
Vote: Seraphim

Fishy's plan makes sense.

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So back to BC...you still haven't supplied much against him? Whats the difference between him and Tjoe, except that Tjoe has supplied some actual reasons for liking Fishy's plan?

It seems like BC was only interested in scumhunting before he read his role.

That's not even true.

I've been remotely lurking because i'm at a college, and my damn internet shuts off every hour, and it pretty much blows.

Anyways, Rai, come back with an actual case on me, ok. Don't just take what Zazie was questioning me with, and use it for yourself. Why else am I scummy?

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I think that Zazie is scummy based on the heavy bus of X_~ and the rather aggressive play that to me at least, doesn't fit Z's meta.

I also have a gut on Malcolm based on a few posts. One is this guy, and not the last word of the sentence, mislynch. How does he know it will be a mislynch? I also disagreed completely with Malcolm point number 1 in this post. He couldn't know how wrong he is yea, I don't like Malcolm. Other posts of his in ISO are scummy.

Unvote:
Vote: Malcolm

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EBWOP:
Damnit. I just realized he was replaced.

Unvote:
Vote: whoot1234

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One thing that I have noticed about Zazie, is that he seems really aggressive this game, compared to others that i am in with him currently, and in the past.

Vote: ZazieR

And as asked before, which games?

Almost all the other games we played.

I don't know how many we have been together in, but at least five I wanna say. The one that I can thing of, off the top of my head, is Bastard mod Love-fest 1, and the others are ongoing. It's mostly a gut thing, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

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One thing that I have noticed about Zazie, is that he seems really aggressive this game, compared to others that i am in with him currently, and in the past.

Vote: ZazieR

And as asked before, which games?

Almost all the other games we played.

I don't know how many we have been together in, but at least five I wanna say. The one that I can thing of, off the top of my head, is Bastard mod Love-fest 1, and the others are ongoing. It's mostly a gut thing, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

And as you should know, I've also been scum in games in which the both of us have played.

The only one I recall was vengeful mafia.

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That's because you replaced out of the other.

Link, so I can look it up?

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That's because you replaced out of the other.

Link, so I can look it up?

This still :/

But I guess he's been away like me.


Not much I can add at the moment. I still have a gut scum read whoot, based on his predecessor.

Someone, ask me questions :X

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Yes i am 100% sure. He is Town alligned

you can NEVER sure 100% about someone unless you are scum

I absolutely hate this argument.

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Kill:Col.Catfart

=/

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That's because you replaced out of the other.

Link, so I can look it up?

Mafia 96
My assumption was that you replaced out of it due to Mastin.

damn... that game. Yea it wasn't really mastin... well, some of it was. But i had joined a total of two or three large games around that time, it it was too much for me to handle.

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Unvote:
Vote: Faraday

I read an ISO of Faraday, and he gives me iffy vibes. Not really liking him right now. Mostly a gut read though.

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whoot is probably town, I think.

What makes him town in your eyes?

Unvote:
Vote: Faraday

I read an ISO of Faraday, and he gives me iffy vibes. Not really liking him right now. Mostly a gut read though.

Disagree w/ this obviously.

unvote vote bogre

zazie wagon seems to be going no where.

So why are you voting Bogre again? what case do you have on him?

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voting him b/c I think he has a good chance of being scum.

thanks for calling me out on a lack of case, thought for sure I'd skate by on that one w/o anyone noticing [/sarcasm]. also hypocritical since your case on me was fucking stellar.


and whoot is obv town as his cop claim was coming from a mile away. reads genuinely newbie to me.

Why does bogre have such a high chance of being scum, isn't it just as much as anyone else in this game?

Faraday, your posts seem very opportunistic. You seem to be voting based on other players suggestions (SpyreX suggesting that Zaz heavily bussed X_~, and i believe fishythefish suggesting that Bogre was scum). You don't seem to be scum hunting at all, and that may be a scum-tell.
You also suggest to Spyre that the mod is screwing with him, and you question him. IMO, that's fishing. Several of your posts even feel like IIoA, at least to me they do.

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Clearly if it was as much as anyone in the game I'd roll a die and let randomness decide, now wouldn't I? If you don't believe I have reasons i.e. gut and i'm making it up as I go along then fair enough, but to suggest I'm voting randomly is stupid.

I guess my point is that you are saying you think Bogre has a high chance of being scum, but you have neglected to point out any posts that even "activate" your gut feelings, basically, you have no case against him. It feels like your case is just fluff, or non existant.... well... it is, you haven't given a case.

It

may

be a scum tell? It's probably a pretty good one in general I'd say, but I disagree w/ the accusation.

Care to expand?

I suggest the mod is screwing with him? Uhm..it's a bastard game, of course I suggest that. IMO you don't understand the definition of fishing, he's already claimed his damn role, so what exactly am I fishing?

Regardless of him semi-claiming, i don't think we need to know anymore information about it. And it seems as if you must disagree. Just because it's a bastard game, doesn't mean you have to try and discredit Fishy.

'At least they do to me' oh lawdy well you should trust your own opinion.

Well, even if it's just me i would still like other players opinions on the matter.

It should be noted that if Spyrex is telling the truth (and if he's not there's no reason to think there's a cult), there was no culting night 1, so arguments which rely on people's play changing today are bad.

What do you mean about Spyre telling the truth? Can you link to the post for me please? I ISO'd him and couldn't exactly put my finger on the post that would describe what you were/are saying.
-Thanks

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Thanks, I missed that line.

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Unvote:
Vote: Faraday

I read an ISO of Faraday, and he gives me iffy vibes. Not really liking him right now. Mostly a gut read though.

I guess my point is that you are saying you think Bogre has a high chance of being scum, but you have neglected to point out any posts that even "activate" your gut feelings, basically, you have no case against him. It feels like your case is just fluff, or non existant.... well... it is, you haven't given a case.

And I guess my point is I give you iffy vibes but you have neglected to point out any posts that even activate your iffy vibes, Basically you have no case against me. It feels like your case is just fluff, or non existant...well..it is, you haven't given a case.

C wut i did der? Your questioning me on my lack of case when you haven't given one of your own. In fact you've done pretty much what I've done with my vote, in not give reasons, yet it's scummy for me to not give reasons but okay for you.

Riiiight

That's because part of my case is based on people reading you in ISO. Whether or not they do that, is up to them. Nowhere in your posts do you mention that Bogre is
You mention Bogre here, but only specify that he is pinging your gut. Zazie then asks you shortly after if you can expand on that read, and you say that you would have to do an ISO, have you done your ISO yet? Other than that,

almost a month

around two weeks goes by before you really mention Bogre again. When he does come around this next time, you said that you didn't know he was still around. Why weren't you paying attention to one of your "lead" suspects? Then you still vote Bogre based on nothing. There is my extended case on you. I expect a full rebuttal soon.

Care to expand?

On what? Pretty fucking clear imo.

Well, you don't think that scum-tell applies to your situation, where as I do. Can you at least point out several posts of yours where you are scum hunting?

Regardless of him semi-claiming, i don't think we need to know anymore information about it. And it seems as if you must disagree. Just because it's a bastard game, doesn't mean you have to try and discredit Fishy.

Wat. 1) where am I fishing. 2) Where did I discredit fishy in any way. Isn't he the paranoid/insane cop so..what have I done to discredit him? Are you making this up as you go along or something?

Will get to that last part shortly. I have to get to class :X
-Then study for a test, then take the test
-Then read for a class....
-Next post should be up tonight :X

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Wow.... I do not like that last post of Bogre's.

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Classes all day today. Posting from an iPod at the cafe. Will get a post up tonight that includes all my thoughts and answers for everyone.

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Vote: Bogre

Who suggested that there is a cult?

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Slight /LA

Working on stuff in getting my fraternity chartered, been in meetings for the past few days. Will hopefully have time to get to some of the questions that were at the end of day 2, and questions since then as well.

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5. The kill method from last night is not the same either of those as the other nights. Datadanne, can you explain this? If not, it's possible there were multiple kills on SpyreX last night.

After briefly looking into this, I disagree. The kills were quite similar. Each having to do with the player being "penetrated" by a sharp object. Stabbed, Shot with an Arrow, and impaled deal with that stuff. just my two cents.

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Unvote: Vote Seraphim

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Thank god I don't have to answer any more questions!!!

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I'm so glad I didn't have to answer any more questions

Zazie... you felt extremely aggressive in this game.... something about that just felt off to me.