StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare: D├®j├á Bastard (Game over!)

[Col.Cathart]

Hey guys!

Sorry for no insight yet, I was absent on weekend because of RL problems. I'll give my opinion probably tomorrow morning.

[Col.Cathart]

Personally, I see Jordan's action more like an 'excited new townie' rather then 'scum trying to look town'. I don't have clear stance on him yet though. Too early for this.

But, I think there's more important matter for now...

Llama, I read carefully your post, especially that one about the possibilities of saying that Datadanne is a good wagon, and I want one clarification: Do you want Data to be lynched, or just wagoned?

[Col.Cathart]

*considers the situation*

Ok, fine...

vote: Datadanne

But when the wagon will reach the appropriate number, and you'll get what you want, please tell me immediately. I have a few trick in my sleeve as well, that might be very useful if revealed in the right time.

[Col.Cathart]

Vote:Datadanne

I like wagons. Llama seems pretty confident in this being a good wagon so what the hell.

All right Llama, I'll bite. My vote was random anyways.

unvote
vote: Datadanne

what are you two thinking? wanna get data lynched quick?

Maybe if Llama gets Data lynched day 1 he wins or something.

unvote

doesn't sure that Data can be lynched quick enough?

2) Why are you mentioning only those two? There were others who voted Data as well.

1) I don't think any of us wanted a quick lynch. We just wanted to make a wagon to get some more info, and see some reaction. And your reaction IS pretty interesting IMO...

[Col.Cathart]

Cool.

unvote

Vote: Tjoe Min Ja

Because of his last post. It seems like he's trying to take two random people from the bandwagon and make them look as guilty as possible.

[Col.Cathart]

He just accused you of trying to speed lynch Data, and unvoting when seeing, that it isn't possible (unless that's what he meant IMO). Bullshit, I know, hence my vote...

[Col.Cathart]

Not a bad lynch. For the two he talked about, CC bugs me a little, dont have a decent read on raiv at this point. I still want to look at drench and jordan first before I vote/make a case.

For the record: Tjoe called out Raivann and Muffin. He never spoke about me, but since it looked bullshit to me, I reacted.

t true that there are other people who vote data...

but these two are the ones that attract my attention more.

Why?

[Col.Cathart]

My first game as scum I tried to cast suspicion on players by accusing them of wanting a quicklynch.
Actually I do want a quicklynch of Tjoe.

Lynch? Understandable, at least from my point of view. But why quick?

[Col.Cathart]

unvote

vote: Mufasa

I'll go with Llama and Bogre. Firstly, because he didn't do much this game (ergo didn't help the town), and accuses someone who (IMO) did the most for the game so far, of not helping the town.

And secondly, because this game is slow, and needs a push in any direction.

[Col.Cathart]

Your response is to say this is a "red herring". It feels like you are trying to browbeat me into giving up arguing with you.

Your response is to say I'm trying to "browbeat you." It feels like you are trying to play the victim in order to discredit my words and not respond further.

Are you trying to over-complicate everything on purpose? Because it really sounds, like you're doing it on purpose.

[Col.Cathart]

shut the hell up, your scummiest shit here

This is just getting better and better

Yay! I think I just found another name to put on the policy vig list.

Another? Then who is on it, except from Mufasa?

[Col.Cathart]

My computer decided to piss me off, and is crashing down every 5 minutes. This means, writing any longer post is almost impossible. So, I'll go on

V/LA until it will be repaired (should be 3 days max).

Sorry!

[Col.Cathart]

Ok, people. I'm back.

Sociopath - Don't understand his stance on Llama. Please explain.

No thanks.

??

Why you don't want to explain?

ZazieR, I want to headbutt you.

And I want you to post content and answer the question you've been dodging for ages.
Guess we're both not getting what we want.

I second Zaz.

unvote

vote: Datadanne

, for motivation.

Still not sure about Mufasa. My scumdar almost exploded, when freaked out on Llama, but his claim seems kinda believable. We'll see in the future, I guess...

[Col.Cathart]

I'd lynch SP for this comment too.

He still thinks Mufasa is scum? I can guarantee Mufasa is town.

How can you guarantee it? Do you have any proof?

[Col.Cathart]

Zaz - And since when voting for pressure is a bad thing?

Then at least state why you don't want to explain.

No thanks.

Claim: Day Vig

Explain, or I'm going to shoot you for being deliberately anti-town.

[Col.Cathart]

It's not. But when players state it's for pressure with their vote, it comes across as fake to me.

On the other hand, it instantly counters any 'why vote on XXX?' questions, so IMO it's very handy.

[Col.Cathart]

Fair enough...

Kill: SocioPath

[Col.Cathart]

I would, if he would post some more bullshit. Instead he posted absolutely nothing.

But hey, it doesn't end the day, so I'll lynch him gladly anyway.

[Col.Cathart]

EBWOP: That was directed to ZaZ obviously.

[Col.Cathart]

There's a difference between posting bullshit and posting absolutely nothing O.o?

Yeah. When someone posts bullshit, at least I know, he's around, and he'll respond in any way. Threating someone who looks like an inactive player anyway, is similar to threating the wall. The same effect - silence.

[Col.Cathart]

@Col Cat: Why did you just shoot that guy? TIA.

I explained that even before I shot him. Are you comfortable with playing with someone who's gonna play dumb like that for the rest of the game? If yes - good luck.

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And now something completely different:


NO! Just... NO! People. Please stop making multiple posts with one quote and one liners. When it was only ZaZ, I could stand it, but now this thread is changing into one big embodiment of mess and chaos.

With all due respect, but I would really, REALLY like to eat every single brick of an epic wall of text, rather than reading this mayhem. Seriously.

Please stop, while this thread is at least slightly readable.

[Col.Cathart]

I'm so glad, we're getting rid of you so early. Keeping you around for longer time can only lead to some catastrophe.

[Col.Cathart]

Sorry for my absence. I had a crazy weekend.

To the point:

About SP vig: after SP's iso 18, I was almost sure he's either scum who wants to make as much mess as possible, or a townie with some bizarre post restriction, that makes him retaliate every argument in attackers direction. I ignored him for some time, because I thought Data was a juicer target, but then he went silent, while Socio came with that 'No thanks' business. I'm still happy with this vig. One scummy distraction less, and thanks to him Data finally came out again to look like a scum some more.

Data: It's hard to express how happy I am with my vote on you right now. Sorry, you won't gonna hear the answer.

[Col.Cathart]

Sigh... I'm not so sure about this claim (two vigs? I know it's a bastard game, but still...), but I guess, we can wait and see what will happen on the next night.

Unvote

Ray, you better this time keep your promise and make a good post, or my vote will find another owner pretty quickly.

[Col.Cathart]

vote: RayFrost

Lots of promises of finally playing this game, but it looks like, all of them were broken. Once or twice? Fine, I can understand it, I also don't have much time to write. But if you're promising something, you better do it at some point.

[Col.Cathart]

@cateraction: why do you now think Raivann is a bad lynch?

Raivan's reaction to Mufasa's claim. I have a theory, but I don't think it's helpful to the town to put it forth right now. Raivann is not a good lynch today, but I'm not saying I know for certain he's town, just suspect it.

Yeah, actually I think I know what you mean. I thought the same after reading his post. I'm taking it with large dose of skepticism for now, but I think it's definitely possible, and for now Raivann is not on my suspect list.

RF is going to be replaced... *sigh*

unvote

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I don't have time right now for a re-read to already vote another person. I'll do that tomorrow. For now, I just wanted to say, that Data's behavior pisses me off, and If he'll be like that for the rest of the day, then I'm not going to give him a free pass just because of his claim.

[Col.Cathart]

Sorry guys for the absence. I'm doing re-read right now, and will be back in a while.

[Col.Cathart]

*Activity post*

I'm starting to feel bad about the target of my dayvig, and that's an achievement, gotta say.

Can someone make a summary of case against Bogre? I did an ISO read on him, and it looks like I still don't see the big picture.

Llama Fluff, where you at?

[Col.Cathart]

I am all for lynching the SK, who claimed he didn't know if he had any ability before.

Wait what? Pleas clarify, I don't understand that sentence. What SK, what ability? ... What?

[Col.Cathart]

So you think, he's SK and not a vig?

And what's the deal with 'claiming, he didn't know if he had any ability before'? Data said something like that before?

[Col.Cathart]

When Llama was all over data, data said he had no idea if he had any ability, all he knew was his alliance.

When I was absent, it seems he claimed vigi/sk and people said he killed DeathNote night (0).

I don't see why he would lie unless he is the sk.

I checked Data's post (not much of them anyway... ~^). He never said anything like that. The person who said it was Mufasa if I recall correctly. You had to mix them up in the process somewhere.

So... X and Bogre are so far the leading wagons, and we have 3 days before the deadline now. Making a new case on someone to get 9 people wagon seems quite impossible right now (although, if you just got a stroke of genius, please share it). So can the people voting for both of them make a summary of they case? So far I don't like any of those wagons, but maybe I'm missing something...

[Col.Cathart]

That's L-1.

Time for claim, X...

[Col.Cathart]

Personally, I'm sick of everyone claiming 'I don't really know my role/win condition/things necessary/whatever'. I know this is a bastard game, but I get a feeling that X just decided to go the same way of claim as Mufasa, since people actually let him be after that claim.

I don't like it. I'm okay with hammering X, but I'll wait for more people to answer Llama's question. Oh and by the way, no I don't look for any alliance member.

[Col.Cathart]

Nice! If that was really Data again, then he has really awesome aim.

Anyway, I don't have time today for any serious re-reads and looking for connections not between one but 2 scum, but I'll do it tomorrow.

In the meantime, Spyrex, care to explain your theory about ZazieR?

[Col.Cathart]

Ok, I did the vote analysis from D1. My thoughts?

Tjoe is most likely town. Both Jordan and X very quickly jumped his wagon near the beginning, when it was definitely too early for a bus.

Raivann is probably not a mafia - due to pretty adamant lynch stance toward Jordan/cateraction. This read had been slightly confused by Raviann's behavior during late D1 (especially 'not liking the X wagon' when he was at L-1), but I still think he is not in league with any team in which cateraction was.

I don't like Faraday, Bogre and Blood Covenant. The first one was almost completely not visible, and his voting history is not very good. Bogre was also avoiding the scum in his votes, whenever he had occasion to vote anyone else. Muffin/BC as well, though BC's vote on X in the late game seems rather genuine.

I'm not sure about Zaz. If he was bussing X, then he was doing it DAMN heavily, and right from the moment he replaced in, which just doesn't makes sense to me.

Cult? Max 2 cultists? I have two candidates:

Mufasa and Raivann. Mufasa's claim was enigmatic as hell, and even though it seemed believable, there is still something that bothers me about it. Then came Raivann, who said that Mufasa is 100% not scum because of his claim. At first I thought, it might be possible, that Raivann is the second part of Mufasa's role, but now as 2 man cult possibility appeared, I feel that it might be them.

Edit, after previewing: Yes, I can still Dayvig. Though the fact that it was just suggested by 2 people I earlier stated as people I don't like in this game makes me feel, that Zaz may be not that good vig target, but I'll keep that in consideration.

[Col.Cathart]

So, what's the conclusion? Fishy is the insane cop, and we're leaving Seraphim, or are we checking it for confirmation on sanity of the Fish?

[Col.Cathart]

Huh, Thought it was just goon.

Also, Raivann, Do you have some kind of post restriction?

Vote: Raivann

And why are you voting him?

[Col.Cathart]

Wait...you're more scummy than Col. Cathart and Seraphim, by your OWN admission???

Your list is bad....what strikes you as particularly town about Tjoe Min? What is scummy about Fish? You are pressing for a claim and saying 'do you want to use the dayvig today' is really, really scummy. You're trying to drive the dayvig really hard, and defending your own actions threateningly with that as a shield.

You are being anti-town.

VOTE: Raivann

Actually, I agree with his list, with a few exceptions (Faraday to scummy people, SpyreX and Fishy to the town, whoot to neutral).

Tjoe is very unlikely to be scum, as both Jordan and X jumped his wagon immediately, when there was absolutely no need to bus, so I'm leaning strong town here. Raivann as well, as he was pretty anti-Jordan/cateraction during the whole day, and it looked quite genuine to me. I think he might be the cult with Mufasa, but scum scenario is IMO unlikely.

Though I have to admit, putting himself as less townie than me or Sera is REALLY weird.

[Col.Cathart]

I believe whoot being town as well, he has a strong cop tell, from his posts thus far.
Zazier who do you believe is Scum?

Data is SK.
BC, Faraday and Whoot are scummy.
2/3 players I'm not sure about. The others are town.

What makes you think so much that Data is SK?

[Col.Cathart]

I believe whoot being town as well, he has a strong cop tell, from his posts thus far.
Zazier who do you believe is Scum?

Data is SK.
BC, Faraday and Whoot are scummy.
2/3 players I'm not sure about. The others are town.

What makes you think so much that Data is SK?

What makes you think he isn't ?

Nothing. I don't know it completely (though I think it is possible as two vigs are unlikely in one game [but then again --> bastard game]), but since Zaz was so sure of it, I asked him why he thinks that.

[Col.Cathart]

You do realize we need to consider the possibility of you as an SK, as well?

Sure, that's pretty obvious whenever one of the players turns out to have a kill ability. I'm not afraid of it though... Also, I think we have more important things to do right now, like cult for example.

Also, due to my hectic schedule lately, I fell behind this game pretty badly. Right now I have finals on my back, so it may not come today or tomorrow, but I'll reread those last few threads when I'll have some time, and get back to you.

[Col.Cathart]

I still think that Raivann and Mufasa might be a good cultpair (with Raivann's high chance of being cult leader).

About others, I still have scum feelings about Bogre, BC and Faraday.

So yeah, I'm willing to shoot either of those 5, preferably Raivann. Anyone else has some objections/other ideas?

[Col.Cathart]

Ok. no need to delay it anymore. I doubt something will change my mind during those few days, and we'll need those few bonus days to chew the daykill info.

And so, without further ado...

Kill: Raivann

And let's see, what will happen...

[Col.Cathart]

Kill:Col.Catfart

*rimshot*

[Col.Cathart]

Ok, so my theory was wrong. And Mufasa is now an obv town to me, at least for now.

3 days before the deadline, we need to make decision. Zaz lynch isn't happening in my opinion.

Preferable lynch for today:

vote: Faraday

His voting pattern on D1 is giving me gut not-town signals (could be another scum or the cult member), and his quick vote on Bogre, when BC voted him seems really suspicious to me.

[Col.Cathart]

Wow, I don't even need to read the game to see the obvious answer here.

Unvote
Vote: Datadanne

Ok, that's a vote for SK. What about the cult?

[Col.Cathart]

Seraphim, ZazieR and Faraday is scum.
SpyreX and Col.Colhart are cult.

Ok, since you're not the first one to make that mistake: It's Cathart, not Colhart.

Also, unless you believe in presence of day-killing cult member, then your logic is flawed.

[Col.Cathart]

Tjoe is probably scum.

Read him in iso. He doesn't vote untill like page 9, fos's X then follows up w/ a vote but gets off onto whoot for putting X @ L-1 (that's not scummy)

X where are you post (iso 32) looks like him trying to prod a scumbuddy to get active to avoid being lynched.
Today he votes whoot who was clearly making sure it was known he was a cop and votes me for no reason despite not really mentioning me before now.

This guys probably scum of some sort, not sure what. Most likely mafia, mebbe.

I suggest reading Jordan/Cateraction and X in ISO. They both jumped Tjoe's wagon, when there was absolutely no reason for bussing, as we were still in the early mid-game. I'm pretty sure Tjoe is not a scum. Cult? Maybe but unlikely (he's not really the most juicy recruit target around, and if he would be the leader, I think he would recruit me in the first place, as we already know ourselves from several other games here). Scum? Nope.

Not to mention, that in comparison to two games I played with him, where he was a scum, he's a now an avatar of scumhunting.

Also, point taken about Data.

[Col.Cathart]

The scum are within:
BC
Bogre
Data (SK)
Faraday
Mufasa

Others give me a townread.
Of the above, BC is obv scum. Main reasons include his current atacks against Faraday and Muffin's posts. If you can call Muffin town after having looked at his posts in ISO, then congrats. You've done the impossible.
So for now, I'll rather have him lynched over Bogre or Faraday:

unvote Vote BC

Will switch to one of those two (I'm more into lynching Bogre) before deadline if needed.
Leaving the last of the above, without the SK of whom we already know he's scum, which is Mufasa. He's imitating X_~. Very likely to be scum.

Ok, so you nailed the last scum, congrats... What about the cult?

Also, do you

seriously

think you will manage to start the 7 people BC wagon in 12 hours?

[Col.Cathart]

Ok, so the Cult was a hoax. Good to know.

vote: Datadanne

the Ultimate Sniper. Zaz seems to be quite sure, you're and SK. Let's see, if he's right.

Or, I can just daykill him, if that's okay with the town...

[Col.Cathart]

The problem is, he always gets a guilty result, so I don't see how it is relevant for us.

Data is at L-1. Way too early.

unvote

[Col.Cathart]

Blargh. Sorry guys. I just wrote the last Mid-Term final today, and I was busy celebrating it ^^

anyway, to start things up again with a bang:

Kill: Datadanne

[Col.Cathart]

Datadanne wasn't a SK?? I am very surprised.

And so am I.

Anyway... time to see, where whoot's report will bring us. His latest behavior was really weird, so I can easily see him as remaining scum.

vote: Seraphim

And that's a hammer, if my math skills didn't fail me again.

[Col.Cathart]

Uhm... Wait. All I said in that other game is that someone else was posting here, while not posting there. I seen this argument used many times in several games, so is this really a modkillable thing?

If yes, then sorry. Won't happen again, I thought it was alright.

Heh, at least it's a good thing. that as as one-man team I didn't dragged anyone else down with my actions

Fun game, anyway. I'm surprised my claim worked THAT good