The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)
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More or less caught up. Still haven't read the last couple pages of day 1. To help confirm Sprye's theory I do not have an 'xr' ending, and I am not active(though my ability certainly feels somewhat active).
My reads from scummiest to townest:
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Papa Zito
milkshake
Sajin
SerialClergyman
Plum
stark
KaleiÐoscøpe
Kise
SocioPath
tubby216
Rosso Carne
LlamaFluff
VP Baltar
Battle Mage
Vaya
Benmage
vollkan
SpyreX
DrippingGoofball
Snow_Bunny
Exact placement of names in the middle is approximate.
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I don't know about everyone in this game but my ability is <<< a 1 shot cop. You are right though it is just my read vs any other persons read, but if a majority thought she was scum shed be dead. So how about you stop running around asking for her to be lynched and I'll stop running around screaming shes town?SerialClergyman wrote:Well, you can't have role information that she's innocent because she's a miller, so your read is as good as anyones.
As for the 1-shot cop ability, we only have her word for that, it's not a confirming role and when everyone is a power ability, lynching someone else will only lose us a different ability.Taking a break from the site.-
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[quote="VP Baltar"]Chamber, what are your thoughts ona benmage lynch? (God, I hate when people make me campaign this hard to lynch scum)[/quote]
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My reads from scummiest to townest:
dramonic
Papa Zito
milkshake
Sajin
SerialClergyman
Plum
stark
KaleiÐoscøpe
Kise
SocioPath
tubby216
Rosso Carne
LlamaFluff
VP Baltar
Battle Mage
Vaya
Benmage
vollkan
SpyreX
DrippingGoofball
Snow_Bunny
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I'd rather the day progress without the info, but at the same time want to get it out there before night. So don't hammer till I've claimed is all I'm asking for.SpyreX wrote:Lets not talk about fullclaiming and if you're going to do it, just do it.
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w/e I'm getting more attention than I wanted from this so I'll just go ahead and claim now. I'm the flurry. My ability is to control the weather. Unless someone wants to come forward as having being effected by the snow all this appears to do is prove what I've done in the night (look at the flurries present in the thread name and the morning scene). My options are snow, rain, cloudy, and sunny. Assuming no one comes forward as having been effected by the snow I'll follow the towns direction on which weather to use which night. And as I previously stated this is described as a passive ability.Taking a break from the site.-
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I don't do reasons in regards to alignments except in extreme circumstances. Especially with regards to whom I find scummy.Sajin wrote: He is not asking that you think he is town or scum. Everyone gets that.
He (and others) want to know: WHY?
Added to this: Why do you want to post a list and not provide reasons? Taking a stance without reason is scummy.
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At least now I don't need to throw 3 scum reads out the window. As I understand it, its your partners ability, but you both get results? Is that correct?Plum wrote:
No, I am not certain of that. I'm pretty sure that that's the case, but there is no confirmation. However, there is no possible way that that player's Night 1 results could have been lied about; the info came straight from the Mod.stark wrote:Also:
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I had scum reads on tubby milkshake and yourself(before the entire cross confirm thing). Now If I choose to believe it I only need to throw out two of them (hint: not you).Plum wrote:
Not quite. Amend that too "it was my partner who used the ability Night 1 and we both got the results" and you have it.chamber wrote:
At least now I don't need to throw 3 scum reads out the window. As I understand it, its your partners ability, but you both get results? Is that correct?Plum wrote:
No, I am not certain of that. I'm pretty sure that that's the case, but there is no confirmation. However, there is no possible way that that player's Night 1 results could have been lied about; the info came straight from the Mod.stark wrote:Also:
@Plum: Do you know that your partner is town?
My partner does not know I'm Town. We have compared flavor and it both matches up one to the other and matches up to other flavor revealed in the thread.
Three scum reads? How does this keep you from tossing them out the window, though?
I need Elmo to post ASAP. I have reason to suspect SP may be lying about the nature of his Roleblock ability, but coincidence happens so I'm planning to reserve judgment for a bit.Taking a break from the site.-
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Obviously only the mafia and sk "know" it, but its the logical conclusion to draw given that the giver was pregame killed by "strangled". I thought of this myself but I was hoping milkshake would be the one to point it out openly.Benmage wrote:
how the hell do you know that?Papa Zito wrote:First, some housekeeping:
"Strangle" = mafia killcuriouskarmadog wrote:NPC, The Giver, Strangled Pre Game
"Throat slit" = sk killcuriouskarmadog wrote: 26.) populartajo, The Rodent Tamer, With the Council, Throat slit Night 1
15.) DrippingGoofball, The Cloner, With the Council, Throat slit Night 2
22.) vollkan, The Consumer, With the Council, Strangled Night 2
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Some VT useless thing that proves its a VT usless thing, or at very least that I'm changing the weather and no one is saying its effecting them.Benmage wrote:
I dont even get what his PR is,SpyreX wrote:Unvote, vote chamber
I'm 100% fine with this.unless its like some VT useless thing...i'm baffled by him but is play is worthy enough of a lynch. Though we just policy-lynched us into our own doom like 2 games ago....then again a scum died at night...
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SerialClergyman wrote:Love Spy's long post. If you sold 'kick down the door cards' that I could buy, Spy, I'd buy like 10. Then every time a game was stalling and I was sitting there rolling my eyes I could just use one and have you kick down the door, run up to every player in the game screaming, 'MAN OR MOUSE??? ARE YOU MAN OR MOUSE???' and kicking people who blink till they hurt.
Given the worrying nature of my ability, I'm wondering how to use it tonight. I'm prepared to a) not use it, b) use it on one of a few targets or c) use it on an agreed upon target. Possible people could be chamber or milk, given they both are dicey and both seem to have active abilities. tubby as well perhaps, but he could be hiding and therefore I'd miss.
As for my top 3 scumteam, if I was a vig I'd shoot half of the people in the game, but my top three at the moment are probably:
1. tubby
2. Sajin
3. stark
It's not particularly congruous with stark being so anti-tubby, but I think individually they're my top.
For the record, and I beleive I already said this but maybe wasn`t clear: My ability is passive even though I make a choice each night.Taking a break from the site.-
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tbh spyre demanding that we all post lists in the way he did pissed me off so I felt like being obstinate for a while but I've calmed down since, I'll get one together eventually. I'm confused atm cause all my reads based on play more or less contradict the cross clearing claims.VP Baltar wrote:Yeah, chamber, you're intentionally ignoring me now and I don't like it. Who are your top three scum suspects. I'm not even asking you for a frakking reason.Taking a break from the site.-
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SpyreX wrote:Since this thread died I figure I'll soapbox on WHY chamber's reaction bothers me ohh soo much and delve a bit deeper into the specifics of what I did. (hint, lists need to be made).
Information asymmetry is, ultimately, the scums greatest tool. Information once it gets out and can be parsed is always a scary idea - and by nature scum HAVE to deliver false information at key points or will be busted.
So, what does this have to do with whats going on? Fairly simple. It should be easy for town to give an unordered list (thats why I didn't ask 1/2/3 because that adds a level) of players they find scummy. On the flipside, it becomes a bit harder for scum - at heart it is a ruse BUT they know they will have to do it or be called out.
So, what do you do as scum when someone says "Posts lists or die asap."
You bluster. You buy time. You try to use the method to counteract the idea.
So, yea, I'm really thinkin this be the way to go although we'll see when the cards get layed out a bit more.
The inherent flaw with posting in an abrasive way hoping that scum will use it as a scapegoat is that scum only use it as a scapegoat because sometimes townies genuinely react like scum imitate.Taking a break from the site.-
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I don't think you've been abrasive at all. At this point the only reason I haven't posted a top 3 is because I don't know who my top 3 are. Still trying to sort that out.VP Baltar wrote:And yet, after all of this talk, no list from chamber. It's not that hard, and I'd hardly say I have been abrasive about it. I've asked quite nicely actually. The reason why this data collection in particular is important is that it will allow us to see the general mood of the town and then select from the scummiest looking targets OVERALL instead of everyone having their own personal preferences and talking past one another.
No way any town member should struggle, have to reread or get "tripped up" by a simple question like this. I don't care if you want to conform or not.Taking a break from the site.-
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I've got like a top 7 with nearly no internal ordering.stark wrote:
Can you pick a top 2? Top 1 even? Then fill in the rest as you go along?chamber wrote:
I don't think you've been abrasive at all. At this point the only reason I haven't posted a top 3 is because I don't know who my top 3 are. Still trying to sort that out.VP Baltar wrote:And yet, after all of this talk, no list from chamber. It's not that hard, and I'd hardly say I have been abrasive about it. I've asked quite nicely actually. The reason why this data collection in particular is important is that it will allow us to see the general mood of the town and then select from the scummiest looking targets OVERALL instead of everyone having their own personal preferences and talking past one another.
No way any town member should struggle, have to reread or get "tripped up" by a simple question like this. I don't care if you want to conform or not.Taking a break from the site.-
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Your time for mafia != his time for mafia.dramonic wrote:
I'm in 9 games and I still manage to keep up <<Battle Mage wrote:
Then tell me, when was the last time i made an LoS anywhere else on site?dramonic wrote:Last time he made an actual LoS was on page 20 =_=;
I'm only in 3 games atm, and the other 2 are moving reasonably SLOWLY. Here, we had a spell of several pages per day, and when you lose touch in a mafia game which isnt slowing down, it isnt easy to catch up.
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His argument is fine. Whether he is actually stretched for time or not aside, its much easier to keep up in a slow game than a fast game. He is therefore able to post in them much easier than this game that he may not have the time to keep up with atm.dramonic wrote:His arguement is terrible though. If his two other games are going real slow he ought to focus on the one that's moving fast =_=Taking a break from the site.-
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The second he's confirmed town I'll trust him to be secretive, until then I like transparency.tubby216 wrote:
i think thats a lil rude,,chamber wrote:I think VP should just post everything, and his method of tabulation. All the raw data is in the thread anyway.
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I was going to get pissy about this too until I read vp's post and he straightup says it himself. I think the more interesting thing here is what results would have been given if he only showed the top suspects. He certainly would have been left off, maybe sajin as well.dramonic wrote:That presentation is somewhat confusing. For example, VP and Vaya are fairly low, but more people want them dead that Llama or SPTaking a break from the site.-
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You were the only one to request anything before night and I am pretty damn sure my ability does nothing anyway.dramonic wrote:On a completely unrelated matter:
Chamber I noticed you were pretty pro-lynching me yesterday, yet you listened to my demand yesterday and made it rain. I'm curious as of why you'd go along with what your ex no.1 lynch says.Taking a break from the site.-
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The gender issue is null, I still had reason to think that you are scum before your claim, and still have reason afterwords.Sajin wrote:Then you admit that the gender issue is null? And therefore your voting me for lurking when you yourself have been lurking far far more?
If that is indeed vote worthy to you: Do you consider yourself scummy?Taking a break from the site.-
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Touch me, I'm worried these zombies are some sort of cult and want to be in on the fun if they are.SerialClergyman wrote:Ugh, I believe Sajin.
I'm also dubious about picking the guy with the most suspicion to vote. It seems to me that there's little accountability for any of the people on the wagon who voted because it was cool and everyone else was doing it.
If noone has any objections, I plan to touch milkshake tonight. I'm also open to another touch or not touching anyone, at the discretion of people I think are prob-town.Taking a break from the site.-
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For the nth time: My ability is passive.SerialClergyman wrote:I like all of the talk about SC touching people. We're all friends here... But if I touch chamber, I get to change the weather, whereas if I touch milk and he's a SK I get to slay someone. I'm so into that.
And zombies = coolest club ever. We meet up on Wednesdays after work and practise dancing Thriller.Taking a break from the site.-
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I'm seriously on to your cult. You better recruit me to shut me up.SerialClergyman wrote:Stark - you're more than welcome to, but it specifically says active in my role PM. Also, what result are you hoping to get? Whatever power I get, if Sajin is telling the truth, is likely to be vague and unrevelatory anyway.
Plus milkshake sounds like he'd make a better zombie, and that's totally high on the list.
For what purpose?SC- You never revealed (unless I missed it) what you got from VP Baltar. Want to share?Taking a break from the site.-
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Me and spyre both claim to make choices each night, yet I'm passive and hes special. It's clearly not a factor in determining what's active.stark wrote:
Hmm, I'm not sure if I can ask the Mod about another player's power.SerialClergyman wrote:Stark - you're more than welcome to, but it specifically says active in my role PM. Also, what result are you hoping to get? Whatever power I get, if Sajin is telling the truth, is likely to be vague and unrevelatory anyway.
Plus milkshake sounds like he'd make a better zombie, and that's totally high on the list.
For what purpose?SC- You never revealed (unless I missed it) what you got from VP Baltar. Want to share?
Obv it's your choice for who to target.
In terms of the Active vs. ???,as I understand it, Sajinismaking a choice every night. That sounds active enough to me.
I also find it interesting to contrast Spyrex's power type and Sajin's. Just a thought..
Regarding VP, at the begining of the day, you made it sound like the information you got from him was really kind of important. I was wondering why this took a backseat.Taking a break from the site.-
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VP Baltar wrote:I still think Sajin is a good lynch today. His night actions are a bit too convenient and benmage even said nothing happened to him last night even though he was targeted.
Plus, look at Sajin's iso. He starts the game off actually trying, which is easier to do as scum when nobody knows anything, but then as the days go on he gently drifts into the background and cheers on from the sidelines. It's not even consistent with what he says his own play is (ie say nothing until under pressure). Early on he was saying plenty. D2 forward, not so much.Taking a break from the site.-
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