Border of Touhou and Mafia ~ Game Over!

[Pesco47]

Vote Zakeri

Go die in a game of hopscotch. YOU'RE JUST A BUNCH OF STONES!

[Pesco47]

I'll leave you in Stage 3 forever if you know what I mean.

[Pesco47]

I didn't say I enjoy anything... people just take things out of proportion therefor so do I. KMD going to say I am obv scum because my first post is "I win?" To think at this point people would know better then to judge me like that. Lynch me and your guaranteed to flip a townie.

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Vote DN

We have no reason to just play along with your 'I win' joke. If you're going to win anyway, then show us why. So far you just deserve to die.

[Pesco47]

But still.. I wonder, is there any ability that would force player X to use some phrase in every single post..?

Where are you picking that up from?

[Pesco47]

L-1 then claim. Flavour must be included.

[Pesco47]

THIS GAME IS MINE!!!! I WILL WIN!! KMD fails at scumhunting

I don't see a name of anyone in Touhou here. KMD is not a loli.

[Pesco47]

Playing on normal takes practice.

Anyways, I'm waiting on the flavour claim to determine if DN might be a jester or not.

[Pesco47]

I see his claim now. If it's Suwako, I've got very little reason to believe it could be jester.

Vote stays.

[Pesco47]

Help me, EIRINNNN!

To say it bluntly, I'm a moon bunny and your mind will be shattered if you try to kill me.

More like Punishment Time~

And you're only good for your sex appeal anyway.

[Pesco47]

But still.. I wonder, is there any ability that would force player X to use some phrase in every single post..?

Where are you picking that up from?

An answer to this would be nice.

Shoot him otherwise.

[Pesco47]

A

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vig-zwet-on-sight policy is fine too

[Pesco47]

I've never heard of daytime BP and Reisen flavour doesn't fit with that.

Reisen's flavour could warrant the shot missing (illusions etc). It's probably just mipe being inherently BP, day or night is irrelevant.

KMD's vote on Zak looks bad. There are far worse offenders for the points listed.

{b]Vote KMD[/b]

[Pesco47]

Like who?

Myself, zwet, Xyl (to an extent), FL, dramonic. The points KMD listed apply to all of us, maybe more people too if you want to count the lurkers.

By the look of KMD's on-off vote, what's your take on mipe? Do you believe his claim or what?

Vote KMD

[Pesco47]

I feel the people I've listed are equally guilty of what you raised against Zak.

[Pesco47]

If you can be given a vig shot, then it's equally plausible for mipe to be given any other ability. I think being given bulletproof is not a big stretch of probability.

Though that you mention fake bullets, I wouldn't say those are impossible either.

Pesco, elaborate.

What's to elaborate? You're going after Zak for weak points that can apply to a whole lot of other people.

[Pesco47]

I think he actually did crumb that we were going to be disappointed by the shot. When he said your mind would be blown.

How does anyone really wake up and expect to be vig'd first thing in a day?

[Pesco47]

Before you pull out the gun, obv nobody knows they're going to get shot.

[Pesco47]

I have nothing to do with why mipe did not die.

[Pesco47]

Vote Xyl

Lynch cheering and general lack of substance.

By this approach, KMD is more town from yesterday. He's taking a back seat for now.

[Pesco47]

The difference is between cheering from your lounge and cheering from the stadium.

[Pesco47]

Consistent mod error then? It's been like that for 2 vote counts. Either Xyl takes 1 less to lynch or I got my vote doubled by someone that loves me.

[Pesco47]

Testing

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Vote Pesco

[Pesco47]

Now that we're cleared up.

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Vote Xyl

Don't worry about who gets the abilities. The people that don't scumhunt are the ones that definitely aren't clear.

[Pesco47]

Vaya's got at least the same chance of being scum as anyone else.

vote: Vaya

Rolling the dice on day three no less? Really have no better ideas?

Lynching a lurker is always a good idea.

So you're happy to policy lynch the entire game and not scumhunt.

[Pesco47]

For your purposes of reading Zak, he should register as neutral. Essentially, I think he gave me the double vote because we're familiar with each other. From his perspective, it's because he can get a better read on me than he can on you guys.

I'm quite happy with my vote on Xyl. I'd like to think he understood what I meant by cheering from the stadium and the lounge. Xyl has been pretty scummy in adamantly pushing for policy lynches only (it is worse in the current game state as it is not active scumhunting) and the defensiveness at being questioned. If you aren't scum, this is pretty anti-town play coming from a person of his level.

[Pesco47]

Because I expect you to do better than play the same as zwet is doing.

[Pesco47]

All I know is that you're an established player and nobody policy vigs you, so you must have a standard of being competent. If you can't deliver the goods, there's no reason for me to think you are town given the facts.

For contrast with zwet, he's delivered what's expected of him so it's null read there.

[Pesco47]

What's the difference between Xyl's play and mine this game?

Off the top of my head, you're scumhunting a lot more actively than Xyl is. Cheering from the stadium and cheering from the lounge, you figured that out on your own.

[Pesco47]

I'm tired of Hulk's policy-push on Zwets. I oppose straight policy lynches as a general principle and I've seen scum hiding behind policy-lynch pushes too often for my taste. FOS: Hulk.

This would apply to Xyl as well. Why no comment?

Gut.

If you're willing to call this a valid reason, then so will I. I gut that you are scum pushing policy lynches because scumhunting isn't cool for your team.

Speaking of which, exactly how long do we intend to let tubby go without contributing? I asked this before but nobody answered.

Guess you'd still rather lynch a lurker than obvscum because it's policy

Zak gives Pesco a doublevote "just cause" and yet, somehow, ends up on a wagon with him?

I won't deny that I've gotten tied to Zak quite a bit. The fact that we've been involved in around 25 games together over the last year and a half is why I think we gravitate to trusting each other so easily. If you take into consideration that we have this familiarity between us, I don't see anything wrong in him agreeing with me.

[Pesco47]

This is absolutely a valid reason and I will flip out and kill people if we have this debate again. What actual reasons do you have to think he wouldn't push the same policy lynches as town, or in the same way? Or what extra do you think he'd be doing?

Policy lynches are so wonderfully useful for coasting by with for the majority of a game. Proper pro-town play is scumhunting and making yourself transparent for people to read. For a person to come in and say "This is my play formula and I will use it every single time", that pattern is a worthless read for town. Sure he's doing policy lynches, but as I'm seeing it, he's not pushing a policy lynch that has acted scummy, he's got a list and that's the order for him. His refusal to actively scumhunt (what I've been calling cheering from the lounge) is scummy, the stubbornness about prioritizing policy lynches is anti-town.

In other words, you don't think we should lynch tubby unless he posts. And you don't see the glaring problem with this?

I'd rather have him dealt with via other means than lynching in the current game state. What analytical value is town going to get out of lynching tubby?

[Pesco47]

I've said why you're scummy and I'm voting you.

[Pesco47]

Got my prod

My Immortal + drinking game = Pesco in no position to post.

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Vote Hulk

Battery low, someone has to hammer.

[Pesco47]

Are you being manipulated by town or scum Zak then?

[Pesco47]

ok agree's with Xyl he hasn't lead me astry before

vote:pesco

In other words, you're not reading the game at all and that just isn't scumhunting.

Vote Tubby

[Pesco47]

What's your take on KMD v Dram?

With Dram's claim of Koishi, I don't doubt him because it fits the flavour.

KMD reads pretty town to me this game. If he's got Touhou flavour to explain himself I can choose a side based on that.

From what I can gather about the Touhou flavour of the game, it's canon or highly popularized fanon only. In other words, knowing enough about Touhou can give a bit of confirmation.

[Pesco47]

KMD's info is a big play and flavour backing would seal it for me.

[Pesco47]

Same with any game of mafia, you only need the fundamental knowledge to play. Flavour gives a little more edge when deciding if a role is scummy or fakeclaimed. Familiarity with the background also means you can pick out which characters are lynch on sight.

My list
Tubby
Xyl
Sotty or Plum