The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:48 am

Papa Zito wrote:
Benmage wrote:PZ, Sclergy why are either of you voting me?
Just trying to help a semi-plausible wagon along.

Honestly, I lost it after the happy bunny claim.

Anything more concrete than semi-plausible...what makes it semi-plausible?

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:23 am

Papa Zito wrote: There was a case on you at some point back. After the ScumBunny wagon died ( ) it seemed the best place to go.

I wouldn't mind a Chamber lynch either. I'd prefer it to your own actually.

State it then is what I'm asking geeeze....

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:45 am

Papa Zito wrote: Oh wait, I remember now. You voted DGB, and DGB isn't scum.

Glad the wagon on me is realllll strong (sarcasm)

Lynch me if you want. its a mislynch, but this stagnation is retarded...the votes on me is retarded...guess what my feelings are on this game at the moment...re

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:53 am

Here's my scummiest:
Kise, Vaya, DGB, dramonic, Sajin

Here's my lesser reads:
Elmo, SP, VP, Vollkan, SB, Llama, Battle

Others can be slight town for the moment....I bet i've got one of the better reads thusfar.

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:02 am

Oh shit...put you on scum.

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:15 am

Clergy

WHy are you voting me?

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:23 am

I bet if we look at activity again...theres a lot who need to contribute. Like alll those currently not voting for one.

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:40 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:Benmage stop obsessing about your wagon. Your head is in a bubble. Why are these players on your scumlist?

Kise, Vaya, Spyrex, dramonic, Sajin

I'm illustrating that my wagon is baseless....That the votes on it are mostly horrible wagoners/scum. I'm 6 votes higher than the next person, and its MY lynch, of course I'm going to be concerned about it.

Vayas play is drastically different then what i've seen from her (town). I think shes scummy, call it gut at the moment. Shes also coasting right now, which I hate.

Dramonic's line of theory is in complete contrast to my own. For me the logical scum player is nonconfrontational and takes a relatively back seat for the game (especially the early part of the game) trying to remain aloof and off the radar. (The complete opposite of what I've been doing). Dramonic disagrees with this line of reasoning, for obvious reasons, he thinks i'm scum. His play in this game is very different from a game I just played with him where he was town. In that game he was aloof, distant, and not a forefrontal player. So I think he has opposing views from me on how scum and town play. He completely different in this game, so he must be scum.

Sajin is playing overall poorly as well. His vote is the most laughable thing i've ever seen. So opportunistic. He votes me because a "scum" is defending me or some shit like that....Why wouldn't you just vote the "scum"

. Hes activity is also pretty bad.

SpryeX has got that creative claim. I've seen him do things like this as scum before. Me and him have a lot of experience. He should know I'm town.

Kise he's been too lackadaisical this game. Too inconsitent in activity and hasnt brought anything to the table. Call him more of a policy lynch that might get lucky, I think we got a couple of those to choose from.

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:42 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:So you're focusing on lurkers now?

You ignore lurkers?

Scum tend to be the less active players.

But all I was suggesting is that the stagnation could be resolved by hearing from (a) new opinion(s).

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:47 am

SpyreX wrote: IF KS = town. I really want benmage dead.

Wheres this connection?

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:54 am

SpyreX wrote:That I want you dead for being scum?

However, I want the GAME to move forward even more than that and a KS lynch doesn't bother me one bit at this juncture.

But why does KS town make you want to lynch me any more than you already do?

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:56 am

Word

unvote vote: KaleiÐoscøpe

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:10 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Benmage wrote:Dramonic's line of theory is in complete contrast to my own. For me the logical scum player is nonconfrontational and takes a relatively back seat for the game (especially the early part of the game) trying to remain aloof and off the radar.
Is that what I'm doing? "Cuz I'm on your scum list, hahahahhahahah.

DrippingGoofball wrote: Your placements of Vaya and Dramonic are based on vague metas that are completely unsupported by anything likely of convincing anyone else.

Agreed they are mostly based on my experience with the two. However there are commonalities that we should agree upon.

Vaya is one of the less active players and coasting, agree? Dramonic believes scum are forefrontal and confrontational players correct? Do you think these two beliefs/styles resemble that of a town person?

You're scum for totally different reasons.

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:12 am

Fixed:

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Benmage wrote:Dramonic's line of theory is in complete contrast to my own. For me the logical scum player is nonconfrontational and takes a relatively back seat for the game (especially the early part of the game) trying to remain aloof and off the radar.
Is that what I'm doing? "Cuz I'm on your scum list, hahahahhahahah.

DrippingGoofball wrote: Your placements of Vaya and Dramonic are based on vague metas that are completely unsupported by anything likely of convincing anyone else.

Agreed they are mostly based on my experience with the two. However there are commonalities that we should agree upon.

Vaya is one of the less active players and coasting, agree? Dramonic believes scum are forefrontal and confrontational players correct? Do you think these two beliefs/styles resemble that of a town person?

You're scum for totally different reasons.

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:52 am

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Benmage wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote: Your placements of Vaya and Dramonic are based on vague metas that are completely unsupported by anything likely of convincing anyone else.
Agreed they are mostly based on my experience with the two. However there are commonalities that we should agree upon.
Nope. Not seeing any commonalities for us to agree upon. Did you mention them?

Are you going to read the next line...Seriously why the fuck make this comment. fuckina. fluff is for scum, oh mighty fluffmaster.

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Benmage wrote:Vaya is one of the less active players and coasting, agree? Dramonic believes scum are forefrontal and confrontational players correct? Do you think these two beliefs/styles resemble that of a town person?
I happen to disagree about Vaya. I can't quote ongoing games.

Zomg the next line. You got to it...and read it! Hooray! I said Vaya is a less active player here and seems to be coasting. 2 parts, do you agree with either....this is referencing this game alone...nothing else.

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Benmage wrote:You're scum for totally different reasons.
Great case! Like the rest of your so-called cases.

This isn't meant to be a case numbnuts just a statement that you differ from them, because in the post I was responding to it looked like you thought I was associating your scumminess with theirs.

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:18 pm

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Benmage wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
Benmage wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote: Your placements of Vaya and Dramonic are based on vague metas that are completely unsupported by anything likely of convincing anyone else.
Agreed they are mostly based on my experience with the two. However there are commonalities that we should agree upon.
Nope. Not seeing any commonalities for us to agree upon. Did you mention them?
Are you going to read the next line...Seriously why the fuck make this comment. fuckina. fluff is for scum, oh mighty fluffmaster.
The mighty fluffmaster will speak. Silence!

I've seen Vaya LESS active as scum.

Maybe so, but shes taken a back seat here. Have you seen her like this as town before? I haven't.

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Benmage wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
Benmage wrote:Vaya is one of the less active players and coasting, agree? Dramonic believes scum are forefrontal and confrontational players correct? Do you think these two beliefs/styles resemble that of a town person?
I happen to disagree about Vaya. I can't quote ongoing games.
Zomg the next line. You got to it...and read it! Hooray! I said Vaya is a less active player here and seems to be coasting. 2 parts, do you agree with either....this is referencing this game alone...nothing else.
I COMPLETELY disagree about Vaya.

Do you think shes one of the more active players here?

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Benmage wrote:
DrippingGoofball wrote:
Benmage wrote:You're scum for totally different reasons.
Great case! Like the rest of your so-called cases.
This isn't meant to be a case numbnuts just a statement that you differ from them, because in the post I was responding to it looked like you thought I was associating your scumminess with theirs.
That's because I do exactly what you accuse them off - and I do it even more.

This is simply false. You dont share dracs screwy line of logic. And you aren't a less active player/coaster as I have stated what I think of Vaya.

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:42 pm

SpyreX wrote:I dig VP ish but WHY would SP come out and claim a RB on Plum when she was confirming Tubby?

He scum group A thinking he caught someone in scum group B to freely ride the town train for awhile.

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:09 pm

SpyreX wrote:Which is cool and all I guess except for the fact unless I'm missing something huge there isn't solid ground for two scum groups and EVEN if there were having a group-aligned scum flip would be a net gain of 0.

Meh

I'm just thinking that one scum group in a game with 27 players all with PRs would be a very big and beefy scum group. So i dont think one is plausible. Maybe one and a cult or some other strong third party.

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:13 pm

DGB, you didnt answer my next line.

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:23 pm

VP Baltar wrote: still voting benmage

ZzzzZzz. Just NK me already if your scum. If your town, geeeeeze play better. Anyways
Doesnt look like i'm gonna be the lynch anymore.

You like Kscope/ whats your opinion on him?

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:23 pm

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Benmage wrote:DGB, you didnt answer my next line.
tl;dr

whats that mean?

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:30 pm

Kise wrote:Means she fell asleep.

tl;dr means zzzzz??

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:34 pm

To long, didnt read...lol the one liners i had??? Try just this one:

DGB,

Do you think Vaya is one of the more active players here?

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:47 pm

DrippingGoofball wrote:
Benmage wrote:
DGB,
Do you think Vaya is one of the more active players here?
Yeah, from you, even a one-liner is painful.

Vaya is not the most active player here. It's all relative.

So?

Haha your statements fall apart and you bust out the insults...I love it. my questions were on minor things so relaxxx.

You said you completely disagree with my statements on Vaya. Yet all I said regarding Vaya was that shes been relatively inactive and coasting.

You now seem to be agreeing with her less than active posting style in this game.

You said you've seen her less active as scum. Have you seen her like this as town before?

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:33 pm

Plum wrote:
Benmage:
Claimed VT. In this game I could lynch just for that/possibly should.

I've answred this. It was absolutely stupid to keep wagoning people only to claim and chase someone else. I said I'll give name and flavor but not PR.

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:09 pm

DrippingGoofball wrote:The mod can claim for him after he's lynched.

Hah

God hope kscope quits mafia after this.

Benmage · Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:54 pm

not a random lynch, a policy lynch.

Benmage · Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:58 pm

Back, havent read a thing.

Benmage · Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:51 pm

SpyreX wrote:Ohh yea and I totally forgot:

Vote: Benmage

Silly me.

Reasoning?

chamber wrote:
vote papa zito

I'd still prefer dramonic but I can compromise.

Why?

VP Baltar wrote: Spy, why did you vote benmage over PZ? I thought the whole purpose of the Kscope wagon was to prove how much PZ was chainsawing for benmage.

Also,
Vote:Papa Zito

Who are your suspects now that Kscope has flipped town, PZ?

Really... Pretty sure PZ was pushing a scope lynch for ages. I think PZ is town.

Elmo wrote:hi?

Why hasnt he voted?

VP Baltar wrote:Honestly, I don't see a lot of value to a pro-twn double voter and I am especially suspicious since elmo and his predecessor didn't claim it right away when people were talking about it. Why try and keep it a secret?

On the other hand, if elmo is telling the truth, then I suspect scum may have some ability to affect the votecount as well as a counterbalance.

Hmmm Elmo may be scum.

Papa Zito wrote:Ohhai. Rereading last night was enlightening.

I need
everyone's
views on dramonic plz.

TIA

Scum.

Ahhh so milkshake is being setup as a possible SK, i.e. the strangler. I'm down for this. If he does flip SK, it doesnt clear dram at all....Jailkeeper could easily be scum.

vote Milkshake

I'm skimmed/caught up...good thing i went away over night.

Benmage · Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:36 am

Papa Zito wrote:First, some housekeeping:

curiouskarmadog wrote:NPC, The Giver, Strangled Pre Game
"Strangle" = mafia kill

curiouskarmadog wrote: 26.) populartajo, The Rodent Tamer, With the Council, Throat slit Night 1
15.) DrippingGoofball, The Cloner, With the Council, Throat slit Night 2
22.) vollkan, The Consumer, With the Council, Strangled Night 2
"Throat slit" = sk kill

---

how the hell do you know that?

Benmage · Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:39 pm

Plums post 2245 helped clear somethings up.

So…the only case on milkshake is the RB and the lack of strangulation on N1…

VP Baltar wrote:
Vaya wrote:It's simple really guys. N1, dram blocked milk and there was no "strangling" death(also, only one town was killed). N2, dram didn't block milk and the "strangling" death was back(and there were two town killed).
This is pretty ridiculous logic considering how many PRs are in play this game. There could have been any number of things that would have prevented a "strangulation" from occuring Night1. Docs, Roleblockers, busdrivers, bulletproof vests...who knows. Someone is going to have to give me better evidence than this if my vote is expected.

Word. I really think Vaya is scum this game.

VP Baltar wrote:
Benmage wrote:Really... Pretty sure PZ was pushing a scope lynch for ages. I think PZ is town.
But he didn't really rally the troops until you were getting strung up, correct? Anyhow, what makes you believe so strongly that PZ is town?

Benmage wrote:
VPB wrote: Honestly, I don't see a lot of value to a pro-twn double voter and I am especially suspicious since elmo and his predecessor didn't claim it right away when people were talking about it. Why try and keep it a secret?

On the other hand, if elmo is telling the truth, then I suspect scum may have some ability to affect the votecount as well as a counterbalance.

Hmmm Elmo may be scum.
Yeah, I would still like a more substansive answer to that question actually. What was the point of hiding the double voter ability? Also, why is Elmo making it a point to not participate at all after he replaced in?

I’ll get back to my opinions on PZs townhood later. More important things.

Yes Elmo’s play is quite poor.

VP Baltar wrote:
Sajin wrote:That quick wagon was fail.

I am down with a milkshake lynch but not until after he claims. If nothing else it could be more info.
Wow. Sajin is quintessential "not paying attention" scum.

100% agree Sajin is scum this game.

Kise wrote:So nobody got a note?

Vote: Benmage

KK was spreading propaganda then.

Is there a post restriction stopping people from explaining votes when they vote me???

VP Baltar wrote:
Vaya wrote: I think chances are decent that dram blocking milk had something to do with the failed kill.

Unvote
for now though, since people are right that it doesn't mean that milk is definitely scum, as I felt when I first voted him.
I don't see how you can believe both of these at the same time.

Wowzers shes diggin her own grave.

Caught up…This game is draining.

Unvote Vote Dramonic

I think theres to much speculation into this milkshake vote. I liked milks early claim and play thus far and dont pin him as scum.

Dramonic on the other hand has played scummy and could easily be a scum jailkeeper.

Id also be quite willing to lynch Vaya, and maybe a few others i'm forgetting off the top of my head.

Benmage · Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:40 pm

Oh ya pfft...ovbs Sajin and Elmo are two people i'd vote for.

Benmage · Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:54 pm

SpyreX wrote:
Unvote, vote: Benmage

You're dumb.

Benmage · Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:10 pm

SpyreX wrote: Ohh hi Ben thanks for that insight. I hope you don't really think I'm dumb .

Never, but your vote is bad. And actions dont seem like urself. Thou art a villain

Benmage · Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:04 am

Kise wrote:@Benmage - Thing is, I have reason to believe KK, The Scribe, wrote that note to VP the other night claiming that KMD(right?) would win if you're lynched. Now if you're town, why the heck would The Scribe go to quasiprotective lengths for your safety? And besides, wouldn't a false message (note-writer) be better suited for mafia to have and spread their lies? I don't think it was innocent fun. I think he was trying to illustrate you as an unlikely lynch candidate because you're his partner.

Zomg so much wifom. We dont even know if VP got a note. Or is KK sent the note. Sure its all likely, but nothing is concrete. Than you have would KK do this as my partner to clear me, or as scum to simply set me up....Get me lynched in some weird way connected to a 3rd party...he didnt know he was going to die that night, he could've been apart of pushing that note lynch.

Terrible, terrible vote.

Benmage · Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:07 am

VP Baltar wrote:
Benmage wrote:I’ll get back to my opinions on PZs townhood later.
When? I really do want to know.

Why, whats the rush?

Benmage · Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:37 am

VP Baltar wrote:
Benmage wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:
Benmage wrote:I’ll get back to my opinions on PZs townhood later.
When? I really do want to know.
Why, whats the rush?
Why can't you just explain it? I would think if you have a town read on someone, you should at least be able to give me a few reasons off the top of your head why. There is no rush really, but it's something I want to know.

Well I'd cite things for you that I liked/appreciated but that'd take time...Off the top of my head Its a gut read/liking of his overall play and thinking it townlike.

Benmage · Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:59 pm

Good summary Spry.

Top 3 suspects hrmm…

1. SP: I think hes scum who thought he caught some other type of scum/3rd party.

2. Vaya: her play doesn’t match my experience with/is overall plainly poor and scummy.

3. Sajin: this coasting is unacceptable and totally matches a personal scum meta on him.

Honorable mentions would goto:

Dramonic: plays been poor...doesn’t match previous town play…theory on his JK/SK is bad…although I don’t have much experience with him…so maybe he just isn’t good??

Elmo: 14 posts = scum.

Kise: I don’t like the odd play/also coaster style.

On a side note. I think SpryeX might be town. This play is similar to things I’ve seen from him(he just has a terrible read on me for some reason.) A lesser degree in WoT(I think activity, maybe RL played an issue here). But also in Mini 758.

Benmage · Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:03 pm

SpyreX wrote:
Unvote, vote chamber

I'm 100% fine with this.

I dont even get what his PR is, unless its like some VT useless thing...i'm baffled by him but is play is worthy enough of a lynch. Though we just policy-lynched us into our own doom like 2 games ago....then again a scum died at night...

2am=rant

unvote vote chamber

Benmage · Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:05 pm

to slow u lose

Benmage · Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:10 pm

SpyreX wrote:I'll happily lose this battle.

Oh shizznitch(2am epiphany). You were scum that game we/I/not u policy lynched into oblivion. You s.o.b you fuck me over again and its over!

Benmage · Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:17 pm

SpyreX wrote:Which one?

(Not scum this time though, tia).

Mafia 98. 842 was lost by Reck. I'm done for tonight

this is why i have over 200 posts!..but hopefully most people skim this blur.

Benmage · Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:34 am

Yeah, Battle Mage should've gotten an honorable mention...Whats his deal here? Is he active elsewhere? Is it RL? The lurking/inactivity is not good.

Benmage · Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:06 am

SpyreX wrote: I'm betting a while.

2nd

Benmage · Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:10 am

My case on dram is in my iso...or should be... GL

Benmage · Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:54 am

SpyreX wrote:Does that work both ways? Wouldn't one assume then under that guise that I would be converter surprme?

Whose saying otherwise

Benmage · Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:16 pm

My last post was meant to be comical.

Ur not a top scum, but you arent "town" yet either.

Benmage · Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:43 pm

You guys have daytalk?

And what about Sajin is givin you a town read?

Benmage · Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:11 pm

Whats your rolename?

Benmage · Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:28 pm

Plum, what makes me scummy?

Benmage · Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:12 am

VP Baltar wrote:
stark wrote:I would really like to know why I'm in three people's scumlists.

@Sajin- Nice job man. Way to berate me for not scumhunting, then next day coast by, and only come back when your name comes up to crawl back into your tunnel.

I thought you were just stupid town, but now I'm reconsidering.
I agree with the part directed toward Sajin pretty heavily actually. Stark is still scummy in my eyes for playing around in the scenery, but Sajin has done absolutely nothing today in terms of scumhunting and simply deserves to die for it.

Word, I'm so down to vote this. Enough delay.

unvote vote Sajin

chamber wrote:
VP Baltar wrote:Yeah, chamber, you're intentionally ignoring me now and I don't like it. Who are your top three scum suspects. I'm not even asking you for a frakking reason.
tbh spyre demanding that we all post lists in the way he did pissed me off so I felt like being obstinate for a while but I've calmed down since, I'll get one together eventually. I'm confused atm cause all my reads based on play more or less contradict the cross clearing claims.

ignore the different claims just state off gut suspicion who you dislike/think is scummy...

Benmage · Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:38 am

chamber wrote:
Benmage wrote: ignore the different claims just state off gut suspicion who you dislike/think is scummy...
How would that info be remotely useful?

The claims themselves aren't even Absolute 100%. So just give us how you "feel" about the claim...it should be quicker...than you can further deduce after bringing the claims you believe into the scenario. I was trying to speed the process up for you.

Benmage · Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:39 am

EBWOP:err feel about claim...claim should = people.

Benmage · Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:51 am

The bold was people who've claimed...

Benmage · Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:08 pm

Kise wrote:I still want to lynch Benmage. He's #1. I'll see about two more after reading up.

I cant believe your #1 read is that scribe thing....play better

Benmage · Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:28 am

can we lynch chamber for being an r-tard?

Benmage · Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:29 pm

Vaya wrote:Elmo, and she was RB'ed by dram.

Wait, you role named elmo?

Benmage · Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:45 pm

Why havent u asked elmo to name claim?

Benmage · Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:34 pm

Vaya wrote:We were blocked, we have no results.

Wait...One of you gets blocked and you both get blocked?

Because Plum got blocked. Plum claimed you did the actions of role/namecopping and she just got the info from the mod aswell....

Benmage · Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:05 pm

SerialClergyman wrote:benmage, how have you missed all of this?

dramonic wrote:one of them does the action at night, but they both receive the result.

At least that's what I understand...

I thought Vaya did the action.... Yet Plum got blocked and no action...hence the confusion SC.

Elmo wrote:
Benmage wrote:Yes Elmo’s play is quite poor.
Why, in your opinion? Or do you mean Rosso's, or what?

You aren't active enough. Why did I make #2 on your list?

Kise wrote:
Benmage wrote:I cant believe your #1 read is that scribe thing....play better
It's brilliant. KK had no reason to protect you from being lynched unless you're his buddy. I am a bit worried VP doesn't see this though.

Still baffled at you....KK clearly didn't protect me saying I should be lynch to fulfill KmD's WC...how the fuck is that at all protecting me???KmD said the one he needs to kill is the SK...puhhleeeeassse elaborate more Kise...and not in 5 days.

Benmage · Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:07 pm

Kise wrote:I am a bit worried VP doesn't see this though.

Why, you think VPB is in this grand scheme?

Benmage · Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:07 am

Elmo wrote:Ben, can you explain the distinction between between not being active enough vs. playing badly/scummily when I'm here?

Hmm what do you mean? You trying to say ur 5 posts this game are good? Wow anyone could not fuck up in 5 posts. But nor can anyone get a read on you, you are coasting and not active enough/bad.

Elmo wrote: When you say "I don't like your play", I thought you mean the latter. And also why you're looking at me in particular for not-active-enough?

I'm clearly not focusing on you only for your lack of participation if you have been paying attention you would know this.

Elmo wrote: I'm not too sure about why #2, yet.

Wowwww way to summarize everything right here. You list me as your #2 suspect and you don't know why....hmmm....bad play much?

Kise wrote:
Benmage wrote:Still baffled at you....KK clearly didn't protect me saying I should be lynch to fulfill KmD's WC...how the fuck is that at all protecting me???
He didn't recommend that you be lynched. He wrote a note saying KMD would win the game > town if you were ever lynched. So it's protective in the sense that it attempts to scare everyone into NOT voting you. Why would KK go to these lengths for your benefit?

How at all does it scare people. It doesn't suggest that KmD wins and we all lose.

Here:

Kmd4390 wrote: Win condition is I win when Sajin is lynched and I am on the lynch OR Sajin dies and I'm not on the lynch or he's killed another way and the SK dies, regardless of how it happens.
When I achieve my win condition, I am removed from the game.

Did you catch that champ? So can we agree yet, its clearly not protective...its trying to name me as the SK. And ooooh great lengths....Its his Night action where he tries to make me the SK, of the person who claimed he needed to kill the SK and wanted me dead before he died...Sounds like an easy move to setup an easy lynch for the next day. (Not knowing he was going to die)

Kise wrote:
Benmage wrote:KmD said the one he needs to kill is the SK...
Don't matter what KMD said, if that's even what he typed. KK tried to use a smoke and mirrors tactic (for what?) and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't just write a bunch of bullshit. What good would it do him to merely confuse town, when he should put those notes to use by assisting his mafia? And by assisting his mafia, I mean trying to protect you from being lynched.

Uhh yeah KK tried to setup an easy lynch. AGAIN we here assume the note was by KK and VPB is telling the truth. Even VPB who got the note isn't pushing this. Geeeeeze.

And I am still baffled that you are basing your strongest read on such loose information.

Benmage · Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:16 am

Papa Zito wrote: Also, my both of my other two top suspects are voting with me. I don't know what to think of that.

Vote Sajin.

Benmage · Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:18 am

Battle Mage wrote: Has SC claimed who he stole from last night? Or has he kept VPB's role?

BM

He touched SpyreX and got nothing...and VPB and i dont remember what happened with that...

This zombification is weird..SC could be a viable lynchee

Benmage · Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:35 am

Elmo wrote:
Benmage wrote:I'm clearly not focusing on you only for your lack of participation if you have been paying attention you would know this.

Why did you requote this?

Elmo wrote:
Benmage wrote:
Elmo wrote:
Benmage wrote:Yes Elmo’s play is quite poor.
Why, in your opinion?
You aren't active enough. Why did I make #2 on your list?
This is in the post two posts before that one. Are you just deliberately not answering my question so you can mouth off at me or what, wiseguy?

Which question did I dodge? You asked why I think your play has been poor. Your play is poor because you aren't active. But that isn't the only answer as we can see here:

Elmo wrote:
Benmage wrote:You list me as your #2 suspect and you don't know why....hmmm....bad play much?
Obv obv. Not that I'm throwing out a list I specifically mark as arbitrary because I'm not caught up with the hundred page game that everyone who's been in from page 1 is confused by. I remember not liking the something about the way your views seemed to change very easily to fit the people around you, but I need to read back more to see if that's accurate, and to look at the context in which it happened, i.e. whether it's worth a damn.

^^So looks like you aren't even caught up with the game. Thats probably why your post count is so low and why i believe you are a non-contributor/coaster...i.e. bad/scummy etc. Also your recent posts/reasoning is poor.

Benmage · Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:44 am

PZ what do you think of Sajin?

Benmage · Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:12 am

Papa Zito wrote:
Benmage wrote:PZ what do you think of Sajin?
1. He defends Dramonic, black mark.
2. He's following the town with every vote except Stark.
3. Claims a stark case but didn't make one that I can find? Also I really don't have any issues with stark's play that I can recall so I don't know where the hate is coming from.

I dunno. He rings pretty hollow when I read back. His "why me?" post earlier (trying to deflect to Battle Mage) was particularly bad (especially since I had called BM on exactly that). He's certainly not playing like I'm used to.

You dont think that may be worth voting? Especially if you dont like the people on dracs wagon.

Couldn't you also name him non-committal. Or a less than average activity level.

His play is also resemble-ent of scum for me.

Benmage · Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:27 am

Papa Zito wrote:Sure, it'd be worth voting if I weren't so sure of Dramonic's scumminess. He and chamber both warrant closer looks tomorrow.

But we need to merge onto one wagon. I think Sajin is the better plan for today and tomorrow with some more interesting known night action moves to examine we can return to dramonic and others.

Benmage · Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:08 am

Moar Sajin votes

Benmage · Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:22 am

SpyreX wrote: six of one half dozen of the other.

My dad uses that saying sooo much i hate it

Benmage · Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:23 am

VPB you said your #1 was Sajin...tick tock

Benmage · Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:54 pm

Battle Mage wrote: I intend to read back and see who put Vaya on their scumlist and not Plum.

I had her before the claim...at a moment of pause now.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:22 am

Sajin wrote: @Benmage- Did you recieve anything last night?

Lets me think hmm.....receive...receive...did i receive anything last night...thats the question right?

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:24 am

Sajin wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
Sajin wrote:I do not mind claiming, but I want to see a case and a reason for every vote on me. Not doing so is extremely scummy.
Ugh, obviously you didnt get the memo. This is hilariously scummy.

BM
So you would have me lynched before I can even give my information out?

Yeah sure...i mean KmD's info was just a bunch of roundabout baloney....so why should we care that all of a sudden you're going to start playing the game when you're the lead wagon. No bullshit please just die.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:27 am

Sajin wrote:So is that a no then?

Is what a no?

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:30 am

Sajin wrote:Did you recieve anything last night?

Did you send anything?

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:49 am

Sajin wrote:Stop backpedling around my question.

So thats a no?

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:01 am

chamber wrote:Benmage, can you please start playing better.

explain where i've been poor

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:13 am

Wow you and PZ are morons....He's obviously scum, and he's obviously trying to bullshit something......AND even if he isnt......its even more obvious I got nothing last night.....geeeeeze you 2....Play Wayyyyy better. Please.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:21 am

ZzzzzZZZZ yes now what....what creative thing can you claim that can't be confirmed....i'm soooo excited.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:51 am

Sajin wrote:@Sociopath- Was I roleblocked?

@Benmage- What is your ability type? Active, Passive or Special?

In case you have not figured this out my targets were Snowbunny N1 and Benmage N2. Need these answers before I say what my ability does.

Thats bullshit. You shouldnt have to know what my ability is to know if you did anything.

Claim and I'll support it or deny its plausibility.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:54 am

SocioPath wrote:
Sajin wrote:@Sociopath- Was I roleblocked?
I RB'd Elmo.

This Bm exchange could also be resulting from Bm getting something and then denying it, 'Haha, I could confirm you, but I won't'
I'm really not liking his responses.

Why the fuck would I do that. Use logic dumbass.. I'm pushing his lynch the most...I'm the one who asked people to lend their support to this wagon...If I didnt think he was scum or was withholding information i'd probably be lynched the next day.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:57 am

VP Baltar wrote:Sajin, you are now claiming to be responsible for giving SB her one shot investigation? Also, what made you pick your targets?

benmage, if you got something then tell the truth about it. If you stand by not getting something, then let's get on with the Sajin lynching.

I'm not...geeze why can't you let Sajin screw this up himself.

He better claim, non of this softclaim shit asking me questions etc etc. Let him claim everything.

Name flavor ability etc etc.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:09 pm

Battle Mage wrote: Tomorrow, his buddy Benmage shall hang.

BM

And how do you deduce that one almighty deducer.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:37 pm

Battle Mage wrote:
Benmage wrote:
Battle Mage wrote: Tomorrow, his buddy Benmage shall hang.

BM

And how do you deduce that one almighty deducer.
Sajin, about to hang, tries to save his arse with a bogus claim.
The bogus claim relies on being confirmed by you.
Therefore, unless he is setting this up as WIFOM, he must have been hoping you would lie for him.

BM

And if I was his partner, why wouldn't I?

His bogus claim(although not finished claiming yet) doesn't really affect me. And I grow so tired of people drawing these ridiculously loose connections onto me.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:57 pm

Battle Mage wrote: Because his claim is poor, and you'd rather preserve your own life, than get tied up in it.

BM

Pfft I was messing with him even/in disbelief even before he began his claim.

ANd why the fuck would i be a forerunner in seeing my teammate hung...Geeze battle

.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:06 pm

Your ability is enormously vague. You don't know exactly how it works...neither do we...although since we accept SpryeX maybe this is a norm. Maybe you didnt do anything and SB got the ability from someone else. Maybe you were roleblocked, maybe i was jailed bused etc theres so many possibilities its why I knew all your questions were pointless. And the softclaim soon to claim vague claim was going to be worthless.

No i did not get an ability. For what its worth I didn't do anything last night.

Conclusion: Still for Sajins lynch.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:07 pm

Wow, Vaya with the burn.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:12 pm

curiouskarmadog wrote:
The Giver is found dead!!!!
.........................................
“It is true, The Giver has been murdered. Strangled in
his
very chambers.

Weird

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:13 pm

Damnit Plum wins.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:18 pm

Sajin, you never gave your role name.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:19 pm

Battle Mage wrote:
Vaya wrote:Wow, I can't believe I was wrong about Sajin. Check the first post everyone, The Giver is female.

Vote: Sajin
Haha nice. Not to mention, the additional fact that SpyreX had already accounted to SB recieving the Cop ability. Whoops! xD

Confirm Vote: Sajin

BM

Actually SpryeX and SB is just another vague thing we don't really know a way to confirm. And Vaya was just shown that the giver has been called a he and her by the mod...so we're waiting on that one.

But nice slide into a bussing vote after delaying for so long.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:20 pm

Sajin wrote:Mod PMed me back- The giver is indeed a male.

Your role Name.

Mod can you clarify or fix the statements where you call the giver a her.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:38 pm

Battle Mage wrote:
Benmage wrote:
Battle Mage wrote:
Vaya wrote:Wow, I can't believe I was wrong about Sajin. Check the first post everyone, The Giver is female.

Vote: Sajin
Haha nice. Not to mention, the additional fact that SpyreX had already accounted to SB recieving the Cop ability. Whoops! xD

Confirm Vote: Sajin

BM
Actually SpryeX and SB is just another vague thing we don't really know a way to confirm. And Vaya was just shown that the giver has been called a he and her by the mod...so we're waiting on that one.
That's of little consequence to me. SpyreX has already accounted for the Cop ability with SB. if SB did NOT recieve an ability when SpyreX used the potion, then SpyreX is lying, therefore either he or Sajin must be scum.

SpyreX only said he did something to SB....It isn't confirmed what he did. Nor can we confirm SB got a one-shot and used it because it was used on someone who died. It is entirely plausible that both Sajin and SpyreX (who neither know what they do) both targeted SB and yet(if we believe SB) SB's ability could've been attained by some unknown 3rd person.

The vagueness is too much is all i'm getting at.

Battle Mage wrote:
Benmage wrote: But nice slide into a bussing vote after delaying for so long.
Nice OMGUS, based on nothing more than the fact i called you out in the exact same thing.

BM

I led the wagon, you just slid onto it for relatively poor reasons.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:39 pm

Vaya wrote:
Sajin wrote:Mod PMed me back- The giver is indeed a male.

curiouskarmadog wrote:
Mod Note: The mod might or might not have problems with The Giver's gender. The Giver should be a female. The Mod might or might not have described the Giver has a male/female in PMs. Bottom line: The Giver's sex is purely flavor.
You should have kept with the PM-typo excuse.

ZING

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:02 pm

Battle Mage wrote:Benmage, explain what you meant by "after delaying for so long". With quotes.

BM

Booo work for me...theres one i'l grab

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:04 pm

Battle Mage wrote:eh, a Sajin lynch is alright, but can we string Dramonic up today please? We can deal with Sajin and the gruesome twosome tomorrow.

I intend to read back and see who put Vaya on their scumlist and not Plum.

BM

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:12 pm

Spy forgive me if i've lost this/forgotten.

Did you give a potion to someone last night? Do we know who?

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:17 pm

SpyreX wrote:DGB.

It was the reflective one, which apparently wasn't reflective enough.

How did you know it was reflective..i thought u didn't know what they did/named...

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:22 pm

Sajin wrote: And Benmage- I am curious to know the meta you have on me. I assume your refering to WoT. Preferably you share your meta reason with the team both before my lynch and why it was wrong afterwords.

Yeah WoT. You flew under the radar there and you're flying under the radar here.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:23 pm

SpyreX wrote:@LF: Nope. 14 total.
@Ben: "Reflective" was its "color" - look back for my whole "some aren't colors" talk which ended with "don't use the white powder"

got it.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:37 pm

We aren't lynching him because of the modslip.

We were lynching him before his claim.

And his claim hasn't saved him whatsoever.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:47 pm

Sajin wrote: You really think that I am mentioned by forum name in someone's flavor box? Seriously.....

But I do believe he had to lynch me. I wonder if he can win from the graveyard.

So you dont believe you were mentioned in his pm...but do believe he had to lynch you...how does that work???

@Stark most will claim reasonably, dont be fooled by the smoke n mirrors. His name flavor ability etc may all be true and he may still be scum. He might have a safe claim who knows...But his play = scum.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:29 pm

Sajin wrote: I do not believe I was mentioned by forum name in KMD's role PM. Either it would be role name or non existent. I do think he probably had to lynch/kill you and I, Benmage. My point being that KMD obviously edited that in. Disagree?

If you were mentioned by role name...how would he connect it to you? SO no I dont think he had to kill you or me... I think he had to kill the rodent tamer which flipped to be populartajo...mayyyyyybe you only by your name, not role name...but i dont believe this, nor does it really matter in the gran scheme of things.

Sajin wrote: No Ben, this is how I play as town. I know I am hard to read as I like to keep all my opinions until I get pressured and then post them all before my inevitable lynch. For the record I was attacking someone early in WoT (who was my mafia partner but I did not know this at the time) and then had to be forced down by town members. Ask Spyrex. I hardly think that it was flying under the radar play there.

Okay if this is your 'town' play. It reminds me of your scum play and scum play in general. It seems like relatively poor town play to keep all your thoughts and opinions to yourself until pressured...(convenient aye) Dropping all the info before death is meh. Last words fine, but all the data/thoughts of the entire game...thats foolish. And thinking a coaster style of game is townlike is simply poor and scummy in my opinion.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:56 pm

Sajin wrote:Wait so if you think he had to kill the rodent tamer then where did you and I fit in? He accused me of being a SK and you of being the rodent tamer as I recall. Tajo did not fit in.

More likely he just had to lynch/kill the 2 of us? Dunno.

Lol your asking me to understand some type of third party persons logic who was about to be strung up. He said so much bogus stuff who can believe anything he said. The only reason i believe the rodent tamer thing is because he did flip as "the rats" and there was a rodent tamer (tajo).

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:39 pm

milkshake wrote:
I targeted Snowbunny and Benmage as claimed.
Why haven't we heard from Benmage about this?

I don't think Saijin is scum- these past few pages have left me wondering
alot
about Benmage though.

Also, I'm still wondering if we've adressed Snow_Bunny and her not-much-of-an-investigation directly enough or if she's more just been forgotten. I'm aware Saijin-town confirms (sort of/ish?) Snow_Bunny but with there still being nine votes on him and all...

Its posts like these that really baffle me at the quality of some players here...Despite all the bullshit essentially answering Sajin I know I at the very least flat out answered it twice.

*stare*

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:01 pm

2 things that got sidetracked during this lynch that I wanted to know about.

Benmage wrote:
Vaya wrote:We were blocked, we have no results.
Wait...One of you gets blocked and you both get blocked?

Because Plum got blocked. Plum claimed you did the actions of role/namecopping and she just got the info from the mod aswell....

^^^Vaya ever answer this?

Didn't SP go AH HAH! And caught Plum saying he roleblocked but Plum got the info from Vaya so it wasnt blocked...now dram is saying he jailkeeps plum and they dont get get the info...something isn't adding up.

And Kise

I liked the 30 minute response..but now you've disappeared again.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:09 pm

dramonic wrote:Vaya and Plum share a link. At night, one of them can Investigate. Vaya did night one, plum did night two (and got blocked by me)

Oh, I missed them saying they were both the name cops...Is there a quote of this?

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:13 pm

Sajin wrote: (who is not paying attention now, Mr. Criticizer!)

I might've missed this (quote it?). But the last 3ish pages have been dominated by you and me.

Benmage · Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:43 pm

We need a few people to weigh in. Namely Kise, Elmo, SP, and SC. Even though SP commented on my actions he has a wasted vote on tubby and needs to comment on his feelings on Sajin...all of these people need to comment on Sajin sentiment.

Benmage · Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:26 am

Me Bm?

Benmage · Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:46 pm

Zzzzz

You guys try takin over and leading today i'm taking a hiatus.

drams a good lynch still...

touch chamber.

Benmage · Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:18 pm

SerialClergyman wrote:
VP wrote:FFS, no. All you can do is confirm or deny ability, which is independent of alignment. Everyone has a power in this game. If you are town, you seriously need to rethink how you are playing this role. You're not a cop, you're a role thief. Target the scum and prevent them from using actions against the town. I repeat, that is the only pro-town way to play your role.
Rubbish.

If I target milkshake and I get the power to cure someone insane tomorrow - what does that suggest to you about his role?

Info about roles can confirm or deny claims, limit fakeclaims, catch scum in lies - it's much different to a belated roleblocker, and hopefully touching milkshake will show that.

When you touched Spy and VP whatd u get again? Or nothing because they werent active abilities (or Spy's isn't dunno about VP)...milk claimed her ability to be active aye?

Benmage · Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:12 pm

milkshake wrote: I'd still like to know why "the general population" thinks Snow_Bunny isn't scum though.

bigger fish to fry/better targets/only 1 lynch a day

Benmage · Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:23 pm

I can understand the reason for a massclaim, but I am against it.

Benmage · Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:37 pm

Ya the other PR claims..if anyone got a note claim...any mod msgs with this very skewy votecount claim...

SP who did u RB?
Elmo still 2 votes?

Tubby's hider claim is getting worse and worse.

Benmage · Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:43 pm

Battle Mage wrote: VP Baltar was the last one to be targetted by SC right? Presumably the SC kill implicates him, and confirms previous targets as innocent.
BM

Oh thats not bad...and SC didnt want to reveal what he got because of VPB's PR....Hrmmmm. Maybe VP (scum good PR) knew SC had some new badass move...Hrmmm.

Benmage · Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:08 am

stark wrote: 21.) Kise-
Sanity...curing... thing..

w.t.f Kise claimed the samething???Or hinted at it...where link?

stark you forgot to list SP's RBing ability.

Stark state who you've tried the other nights other than plum even tho they're dead.

Did noone get mod msgs about votes? Should we try testing our votes out?

Here's a test:

vote battle mage

shouldn't jump the tubby gun without everyone weighing in...by the looks of starks list, maybe a mass claim will be worth it...if not by today, than yes tomorrow.

Benmage · Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:55 am

Why aren't Plum/Vaya claiming their results if they did it on tubby...we can at least know if hes name was a lie or not...if they did it to someone else, fine state it and leave at that no need to reveal that if they wanted to wait for some reason i dont know....

Tubby's hider claim is wack. And he needs to die today. I dont like the weakish VT PR claims. Chambers which doenst seem to do anything and Sajin who folded so quickly that its likely his power does nothing either...Both could simply be goons who didn't get good goodies when the converters raided or whatever the flavor was. Leaning moreso towards wanting Sajin lynched obviously.

stark going on and on and on is bad reading. The truce shit with the converters is ridiculous, wtf is he even trying to achieve..."oh goodness the scum trying to blend in as town are going to vote with the town against a 3rd party to look more town and benefit them"......brilliant...they never would put that together.

SpyreX what were you saying?? you're against a mass claim too, okk good.

I'm also not writing off that both of these masons namecops are town.

Benmage · Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:57 am

Oh ya

unvote

Other people should be voting and those that haven't seem suspicious to me.

Benmage · Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:07 am

VP Baltar wrote:@ben-they already investigated tubby WAAAAAAY back. his name claim is accurate.

Ohhh right.

Benmage · Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:53 am

SpyreX wrote:
Ben wrote: SpyreX what were you saying?? you're against a mass claim too, okk good.
:headdesk:
:headdesk:
:headdesk:
:headdesk:
:headdesk:

Benmage · Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:17 pm

Kise wrote:Let me park this.

Vote: tubby216

I think Kise should be the next to full claim.

Benmage · Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:22 pm

Like the rossetta stone...i think it may implicate stark as well, but starting with sajin or elmo seems fine for me.

Benmage · Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:24 pm

Dont think thats the hammer...wheres elmo been btw? Has he posted today?

Benmage · Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:34 pm

Well I also want people to test their votes...see if we can figure out who lost their vote or something along with claims etc etc and eventual all night actions before things are said and done.

Benmage · Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:47 pm

milkshake wrote:
Slightly Scum: Tubby, BM
Fairly Scum: Bm, Kise
I think these are a scummy bunch.

Pfft dram went for me hard.

Benmage · Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:02 am

curiouskarmadog wrote:

Not Voting:
Elmo, Plum, LlamaFluff, milkshake, Vaya, Snow_Bunny,
SpyreX,
chamber
, Benmage, stark

Lets see some votes.

Battle mage goes in an out....Can Kise also be on this chopping block he has to be one of the more scummier players out there.

Benmage · Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:21 am

milkshake wrote:I'm just waiting to vote tubby until we're done with today's "festivities."

but i want to see those who havent voted yet to see if we can pin down what happened to the votes...

just do a test vote on a nonissue person.

Benmage · Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:04 am

How can u call it a non issue...all game we've had an extra vote compared to the players here...i.e. Elmo being a dbl voter...today we have 1 less vote than the players here...if noone claims to have done something in relation to this or claimed something happened to them...i think it'll be another piece in this puzzle...so stfu its a damn small request douche.

Benmage · Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:43 am

Oh wow whats that over there a cookie

...goes mia while the scum claim first.

Benmage · Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:04 pm

chamber wrote:Someone vig him please.

SpyreX wrote:Why is it so abysmally hard to get this moving.

Claim. Just do it.

I'm waiting on the scummier players..they're delaying just as much.

Maybe I have reason as per my claim to delay. o.O

Benmage · Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:30 pm

didnt stark claim cult cop..but never said anything about a guilty on you right?

Benmage · Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:30 pm

SpyreX wrote:Benmage, I swear. Next post by any of the non claimers without a claim is going to be equated to "I am lazy scum, please lynch me."

Fillibustering is not awesome.

Dont be a fucking dumbass. I'm obviously not claiming yet to get some missing information.

If I was scum I'd just walk away from the computer for 2 days like the scum I'm waiting on to claim/answer etc. So shut the fuck up and chillax.

SpyreX wrote: "I am lazy scum, please lynch me."

Benmage · Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:46 am

stark wrote:
tubby216 wrote:^seriously how do you even function in day to day life with thinking like that

if i were a recruiter i would have evidence of the drug on me. Since according to stark I use this drug to convert people.

however the point is he supposedly suspected me from day 1 but never bothered to investigate me. Let alone get a null result on me.
It says in my pm that I can detect altered minds. I don't think a CL's mind is going to be altered in the same way a recruits would be.

w.t.f..

I dont like starks claim either.

Battle Mage ignored claiming

I want Kise to claim anyways..and to see those who havent voted to vote...or atleast if anyone had their vote altered and are informed of it, to state thus.

Benmage · Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:20 am

Kise cast a rando vote.

Benmage · Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:21 am

VP Baltar wrote:
tubby wrote:also, you claim that you investigation last nite was on PZ,
PZ claimed cop who caught scum, ie, dram

why would you even target PZ??
This is actually a reasonable question. I'm interested to hear the answer.

Mmm true.

Benmage · Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:40 am

Kise wrote: @Uncle Ben - the tubby vote wasn't random

Oh right you did vote...myb.

Who hasnt today...

Vaya, Plum, Llamma(?) Elmo....mmm SB? test vote guys. Missing vote has to be among these last.

Its been a few days since Vaya or Elmo have posted...dont like it one bit.

Benmage · Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:51 am

Kise wrote:Are you looking for a voteless player?

Yeah. We have what 16 players and 15 votes rights...

Benmage · Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:40 am

milkshake wrote:
Didn't know you wanted flavor as well. I am an old fart -- the oldest person among both the city and within Council. Respect your elders, milk.
Well, it was specifically requested along with your claim.

Elder respecting aside, I think you had yet to make it up, is why you didn't post it. <3

Disbelieve it/him if you like...but dont say it was a time thing...all scum have had a millennium to perfect their claims and dont need a reason to rush.

Stark lynch sounds so nice.

But tubby's claim is sooo bad.

Benmage · Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:12 am

Snow_Bunny wrote:
vote: Snow_Bunny

-_-U

Elmo...you didnt test.

Benmage · Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:29 am

Snow_Bunny wrote:Wait a minute... If we are 16 players, and if there's only 15 votes, and if we have a double voter, don't that mean that two players have lost their votes?

Hence what i've been trying to deduce.

Benmage · Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:16 am

chamber wrote:
Benmage wrote:
Snow_Bunny wrote:Wait a minute... If we are 16 players, and if there's only 15 votes, and if we have a double voter, don't that mean that two players have lost their votes?
Hence what i've been trying to deduce.
How about you claim?

Who has yet to claim?

Benmage · Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:40 am

Ok I’m the Boilmaker with the council. Basically I’m a badass politician whose been raised in the ranks. I’ve got flavor that calls me pretty dreadful. People fear me and one day I will rule Sucrio. (So you can see why I was like w.t.f am I town at first glance) I didn’t do anything to the Giver, but nor do I care about his death. However I’m also a pansy who scared about the killing and the city being on lockdown.

My ability is active and I make boils onto people. Making them hideous and others barely wanting to look at them. The next day my targets vote only counts as half.

N1 no action
N2 I was going to do no action, but mod auto did this…I think I was sick or away, no matter.
N3 I did my action on Elmo. I figured his vote would be 1 today…surprising its .5.

I reference boils I think once on purpose in I’m sure I could find in my iso….and its pretty obvious what I did last night, and its why I agreed earlier that Elmo could certainly be scum when VPB suggested this, but he didn’t see a town countermeasure…obviously I knew I could be one/it.

Benmage · Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:13 am

I was lookin for other missing vote...I solo pursued this vote thing. I also paid extra subtle attention to elmo in my requests...but I was thinking if there was maybe someway I could incriminate another, or find a scum through all this...things didnt pan out that way so I just claimed.

Benmage · Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:01 pm

stark wrote:Couldn't you have just told Elmo to vote, though?

I wanted to be subtle..its obvious i did it to him..i thought there was another vote action thing, still curious how his vote is .5 and not 1.

I also wasn't sure if I was going to try a gambit on someone else...i was >>>><<<< this close to asking kise if he recieved anything last night in some rando attempt to see if he'd lie with my fallback claim..i.e real claim on elmo...but then thought fuckkkit

Kise wrote:I think the fact that Ben has been
looking
for someone with an altered vote lends his role credibility. Now whether this sounds like a good guy role... hmph. A badass politician that is feared and doesn't care about The Giver dying... but he's a pansy? AND he boils people?

Don't mix like 8===|) (|===8

I told ya right off the bat I was confused I was town and asked mod...told ya i was a -er..s'all checks out.

Sajin wrote:@Benmage- That is not vanilla.

Also, is your ability permanent? I keep noticing vote counts that contain "whole votes available". I assume multiple people could have half votes.

I don’t think its permanent. I know it isn’t vanilla. Hell thought it could've been damn good. I only used it last night to show there was a counter to elmo, to not assume him auto town and to have something to reference since people have been pushing this mass claim…I wanted to wait till lylo/endgameish before using.

I think someone asked, but I didn’t use it N2.

Has Vaya/Plum name claimed themselves? And how about who they targeted last night?

SpyreX wrote: "Their vote will count as half."

Closer to this.

Benmage · Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:15 pm

Oh and I dont boil people (hot water)...i somehow create hiddeous nasty pus filled boils on people..like baaaaad pimples... so people become ugly and others hardly want to look at them let alone listen to what they say...i.e their vote being halved.

Benmage · Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:57 am

milkshake wrote:We already know that elmo's vote is .5 instead of two, which accounts for both missing whole votes.

Yes, but why is it .5.....the wording in my opinion makes me believe that if his vote was 2 my action would make it a 1.

I could be mistaken so meh.

Benmage · Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:52 am

Err...

unvote vote Vaya

...criminal?

Benmage · Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:01 am

Even a petty criminal seems like they'd be against "the Council" i.e. the town.

And I thought names referenced Goma ability...all you're called is younger..being the younger sibling and all elder is called is elder being older sibling...weakkkk. Something should be namer-finder-guyer,

Benmage · Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:34 am

Yeah I'm a jerk, but I'm also a politician and on the council.....not a criminal who was locked up. You could easily have animosity to the council (Cult? Converter...idno) or left out some flavor....A conspiracy between you and Plum...unlikely but possible.

Both of you town! Unlikely(imo), but possible.

Flavor is flavor, mod said this....but our names are suppose to be based off our abilities...i think that holds some weight.

After the Giver dies you gain this telepathic ability....All the guards conveniently leave you....What happened, weapons place raided? Elder gaining something.... You're tied into this link via blood..(rant)

Maybe Plums the baddguy here, but I 100% do not think you are both town.

Benmage · Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:36 am

Also random theory on my mind thing, is VPB being the SK, strangler...he strangles with cloth, he cant be strangled cause he is the strangler!! dunt dunt dunt

Benmage · Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:55 pm

Who did the Namecops investigate last night!?!?

Who did SP roleblock..now that everyone claimed can we get everyones list of night actions, for those who havent listed.

Benmage · Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:28 pm

SocioPath wrote:I RB'd Sajin.

Y?

Benmage · Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:13 am

I dont get what battle mage is doing with this refusal to claim crap....lets vote him till he claims. It has to be done.

unvote vote battle mage

Benmage · Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:28 pm

Vote battle mage to force a claim..if he doesnt hes noobmageermorethanifirstthought....and he hangs. If not anyone from SpyreX last list works as I think they are alll scum.

Benmage · Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:39 am

stark wrote:
Benmage wrote:Vote battle mage to force a claim..if he doesnt hes noobmageermorethanifirstthought....and he hangs. If not anyone from SpyreX last list works as I think they are alll scum.
I understand what you're saying.

The problem is that
if
(and I know it's if) I'm right, and BM is tubby's recruit, if we kill BM, tubby can just recruit another player tonight, thus not solving our cult problem at all.

If we lynch tubby today, under the assumption that, like a normal cult, recruiting powers are restricted to the leader, the cult can no longer recruit. At MOST they have 3 members. From there it's just cleanup.

You haven't demonstrated how you believe this guy to be cult...

Benmage · Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:39 am

Oh ya mod

...Two separate voting brackets for BM o.O??

fixed

Benmage · Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:29 am

Snow_Bunny wrote:
Unvote, vote:tubby

Hammer yourself. Please

This....is the hammer...

Benmage · Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:45 am

tubby216 wrote:
Benmage wrote:
Snow_Bunny wrote:
Unvote, vote:tubby

Hammer yourself. Please
This....is the hammer...
no i unvoted prior i am at l-1

Oh word. Good. Vote battlemage tis the only way!! Evry1 should do it. All the cool kids are....Well...maybe not any cool kids actually...save me!

Benmage · Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:17 am

stark wrote:
Benmage wrote: You haven't demonstrated how you believe this guy to be cult...

If you're interested:

Do an iso on BM.

Contrast his prior activity to both of his massive 5x multipost chainsaw defenses of tubby.

BM's defense of tubby convinces you that BM is cult....???

Benmage · Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:18 am

EBWOP: Errr tubby i cult.

Benmage · Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:01 am

tubby216 wrote:
the mod wrote: Not Voting: Plum, Vaya, SpyreX, Kise,

these people need to vote/pick a side plz

i think this will be critical to future gameplay

Not really...you are todays likely lynch. I havent voted you in ages because you've been teetering on the edge and too close to an easy hammer while I wanted information and claims etc to come forward first.

Just waiting on battlemage who might end up getting strung up or replaced.

Now we seem to have a decent grasp on scum and scummy players the day can end, and its going to be you hanging.

Stark is a solid next day lynching candidate if you want some hope in that.

Benmage · Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:33 am

stark wrote:If we're going to wagon BM up, has he been prodded?

@bm: BM hasn't defended anyone like that this whole game. When tubby was wagoned before, BM didn't lift a finger, but when accused of being cult, BM jumped to his defense.

So he wouldn't defend him for being lynched...but when hes being lynched under the pretext of being a cult Battle defend him...yah that makes 0 sense

Your case is so goddamn laughable if tubby didnt have one of the worst claims ever in the history of mafia (and or roles if his claim is real and just wack) you'd be a much better lynch.

Benmage · Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:04 am

stark wrote:
Benmage wrote:
stark wrote:If we're going to wagon BM up, has he been prodded?

@bm: BM hasn't defended anyone like that this whole game. When tubby was wagoned before, BM didn't lift a finger, but when accused of being cult, BM jumped to his defense.
So he wouldn't defend him for being lynched...but when hes being lynched under the pretext of being a cult Battle defend him...yah that makes 0 sense

Not even if BM was recruited in the time between wagon #1 and wagon #2?

They were different days?

Benmage · Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:30 am

stark wrote:yes

mm doing a quick iso skim of Battle...i dont really see his crazy defense of tubby..I do how ever see a consistent disbelief in you, and your actions.

And when the first wagon of tubby occurred, it looks like he might've been quite inactive. His posts occur on oct 11...then 1 on the 13, next isnt till the 24th.

Is it just me or is stark diggin this lynch and pushing it wayyy to hard.

Since I want an eventual stark lynch I could envision pushing it before a tubby one because his behavior and manner is so forward and bizarre.

Benmage · Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:32 am

Oh yeah...tubby 1st wagon in relation to battles activity..going by ckd' vote counts is on oct 15th he led...just to help the timeframe..my skim was reallll rough tho.

Benmage · Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:34 pm

I dont understand why u guys waited so long and sped rush the hammer when all Battle said was hes a tracker..said N1 he tracked plum/vaya...!!!! never said whereto...didnt they rolename someone!! wouldnt that be good/reliable/semiconfirmable info.

btw tired of there people saying they did actions on dead people, i think battle mage is scum.

Benmage · Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:06 pm

chamber wrote:So I forgot to send in a night action, oops.

to busy killing!?!?!

VP Baltar wrote:I think SP should claim first.

agree

SpyreX wrote:Hold up.

No more role stuff:

BM - target, result. Asap.

I agree and i want this shit more specific...he said he tracked plum/vaya n1..that doesnt mean anything especially since one was suppose to be RB's while the other did but both get the results telepathically so they obvious both dont perform the action. His claim totally blows.

Why you guys rushed the lynch prior to his finish claim is beyond me.

I want Battle Sajin and Elmo lynched.

Benmage · Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:34 am

lingerers

Benmage · Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:28 am

I still dont like Vaya. Stark's whole cult thing was laughable too.

Add these two to those needed to be hung.

I doubt we have a cult, mayyybe 2nd mafia group. I'm leaning towards an SK, simply because we had rats for themself, and 3 scum already killed.

Maybe the scum group was throat slitters was killed off with tubby dead. (Team of three)

I think it more likely that theres just a strangler sk running around still. IF there is an SK, and not 2 scum teams than yeah there gotta still be some scum (throat slitters?) left.

Benmage · Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:47 am

Whys it just you and me!?!

Benmage · Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:53 am

Agreed. All night actions are a must.

Benmage · Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:05 pm

milkshake wrote:I was thinking benmage, but sure, I'll target Elmo pending anything else coming to light.

really..cause i was hoping he'd hang.

We await Battle Mage.

Benmage · Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:00 am

clear: dzzzt

Benmage · Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:15 am

eeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

"we're losing em!"

Benmage · Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:41 am

Nah, its cool guys i always wanted to play a large game by myself.

Lets see...

Setup:

Ben(town) vs mage(scum)

Ben: Yo ur scum.

mage: Huh? What's your case? Please, do explain.

Ben:

mage wrote: mage: Huh? What's your case? Please, do explain.

Yo go fuck yourself.

mage: That's not a case.

Ben:

unvote vote mage

.

Town wins.

Benmage · Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:44 pm

LlamaFluff wrote:I'll be damned... assume nothing I guess

What do you mean? Whatd u assume?

Also, no reason to rush battle until the prod expires or he answers etc.

Benmage · Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:09 am

@Battle

are you caught up?? theres a ton of lingering information regarding you...i hate this pop in, drop a small amount of info miss 10x more and pop out.

I'm about ready to string ur ass up.

Benmage · Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:30 am

Yeah i targeted elmo again.

Benmage · Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:53 am

Kise wrote:
SpyreX wrote:I gave the Sandy potion to Plum.
Isn't that the 2nd dead person you targeted, same night they got whacked? Or was that Bunny....?

Twas bunny...i can follow an SP lynch...but i'd prefer others.

Elmo or Sajin.

Benmage · Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:05 pm

Word lets here from SP.

Unvote vote SP.

HEY VP

, remember me. You tunneled me earlier this game convinced i was scum. Said you've been flawless in your attacks, yet have backed off drastically.

Well look at this vote.

I'm voting him for the same reason SpyreX is...that is why would he RB a claimed Doc.

I am also voting him in an effort to help speed his return to this thread and explain/comment on his actions.

What do you think about that?

Benmage · Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:26 pm

SocioPath wrote: I still don't like Bm with his constant 'RB claim first' business, for multiple days.

Vote: Battle Mage

I'm bias towards RB's being a scum PR...but i'll follow this vote.

unvote vote Battle Mage

Benmage · Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:27 pm

SpyreX wrote:Eeeeenteresting.

SP, that makes a lot more sense.

That said, still lynching you.

What, how, why, confused?

Benmage · Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:48 pm

SpyreX wrote:No no no.

Even though I FULLY expect him to flip town and BM to be the scum on the chance that he's telling the truth it is worth lynching SP to validate this considering we've decimated the scum.

this is baaaad logic. isnt it worth lynching Battle or the more likelyhood SP is telling the truth...as many scum deaths as there are there are also a lot of town deaths....i wouldnt be declaring victory just yet, bush.

LlamaFluff wrote:I targeted SP last night. If you make the assumption each claim is truthful and is town, its the biggest threat to scum.

What does ur healing have to do with anything? Your just a doctor or healer or whatever...you could've saved him, or SP coulda blocked the kill..or i dont know.

Benmage · Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:09 pm

I still dont get the reason behind going for SP first.

I agree its highly probably ATLEAST one of SP and BM is scum. Lets go with BM.

I think chamber or Sajin the two useless roles could be scum. Is sajin roles still useless? he played a low active game. Comes blazzing in when i push his wagon, claims and falls off the radar again. DISLIKE. I definitely push for this lynch.

Vaya...still get bad vibes from her. Call it gut or meta from what i've seen her in the past. I never believed both the twins were town, and plum flipping town, and her being in jail/a criminal doesn't sit well. I'd be for this lynch.

I dont think Elmo is town. Two town vote manipulators doesn't seem logical to me. I am obviously town. This is my #1 desire entering today, the BM SP fiasco will allow me to put this off 1 day.

If i die tonight speed lynch elmo...i think the scum may have 1 less scum than we'd maybe assume in thinking balance wise, extra voter and then theres the SK(w/e 2nd killer entity its) and the rats.

So to conclude:

Battle
Elmo
Sajin
Vaya

should be the lynch format.

Benmage · Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:00 pm

Elmo wrote:How do you feel Benmage has been townish?

how havent i?

Elmo wrote: Why weren't you aiming to be helpful - are you even interested in talking to me?

Our job to talk to you?? get involved...scum hunt...jebus

Benmage · Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:57 am

SpyreX wrote: As for policy lynching.. Yea, I lynch lurkers. Especially when its day 5 and, frankly, I can't think of any opinion off the top my head you've got on anyone or anything goin on.

Hell yeah..policy lynch all (even in lylo

)

Benmage · Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:07 am

Sajin wrote:
Benmage wrote:
I dont think Elmo is town. Two town vote manipulators doesn't seem logical to me. I am obviously town. This is my #1 desire entering today, the BM SP fiasco will allow me to put this off 1 day.

This is bad reasoning. Kise is the other claimed vote manipulator. Yet, you use this argument that VP made to push for Elmo's lynch.

Yet Kise is no where on your list. Why?

Also, who did you target last night, ben?

Yeah i dont like kise either actually. but there are bigger fish to fry. and i wouldnt consider him a true vote manipulator...he gets the votes of the person who kills him the following day....nothing too special.. elmo and i vote manipulate every day.

Benmage wrote:Yeah i targeted elmo again.

Welcome back Sajin. You are scum.

Benmage · Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:46 pm

Snow_Bunny wrote:Am I really the only one who find Elmo's flavour suspicios, really?

No, but your apparently one who doesnt read the thread.

Unfortunately i dont think your alone on this either.

Benmage · Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:20 pm

What do we need.. 1.5 to get'r done. Lets do this party.

Spy its unlikely the wagon shifts to SP...so join the fun.

And wheres Vaya and stark been??

Benmage · Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:14 am

SpyreX wrote:I'm planning on joining the party AFTER everyone has checked in and we have the full list of night actions, etc.

Oh right brilliant. Glad you keep me in check. Okay... to make everything easy to organize and record. Lets claim everything thus far. So for example i'll go.

N1: No action
N2: No action
N3: Boil Elmo
N4: Boil Elmo

Please claim like so.

Benmage · Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:16 am

Vaya, can you still perform action without Plum?

Benmage · Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:32 am

Its been 9 days since starks last post...quite different than that campaign from yesterday aye...

@Mod

9 days prod worthy?? Please prod stark.

he was prodded on the 24th, it is a holiday, if he doesnt post by Monday night, I will try to find a replacement or mod kill (I mean, it is 136 pages).

Benmage · Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:28 pm

killer stagnation

Benmage · Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:58 am

Swing, swing, swing
From the tangles of
My heart is crushed
By a former love
Can you help me find a way
To carry on again?

Lynch battlemage

Benmage · Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:22 am

tl:dr...away/in airpot...a draw!?!??!.....a draw....i knew VPB was SK(not town)....sigh*

Benmage · Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:22 am

Oh woops red