Anything more concrete than semi-plausible...what makes it semi-plausible?Papa Zito wrote:Just trying to help a semi-plausible wagon along.Benmage wrote:PZ, Sclergy why are either of you voting me?
Honestly, I lost it after the happy bunny claim.
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I'm illustrating that my wagon is baseless....That the votes on it are mostly horrible wagoners/scum. I'm 6 votes higher than the next person, and its MY lynch, of course I'm going to be concerned about it.DrippingGoofball wrote:Benmage stop obsessing about your wagon. Your head is in a bubble. Why are these players on your scumlist?
Kise, Vaya, Spyrex, dramonic, Sajin
Vayas play is drastically different then what i've seen from her (town). I think shes scummy, call it gut at the moment. Shes also coasting right now, which I hate.
Dramonic's line of theory is in complete contrast to my own. For me the logical scum player is nonconfrontational and takes a relatively back seat for the game (especially the early part of the game) trying to remain aloof and off the radar. (The complete opposite of what I've been doing). Dramonic disagrees with this line of reasoning, for obvious reasons, he thinks i'm scum. His play in this game is very different from a game I just played with him where he was town. In that game he was aloof, distant, and not a forefrontal player. So I think he has opposing views from me on how scum and town play. He completely different in this game, so he must be scum.
Sajin is playing overall poorly as well. His vote is the most laughable thing i've ever seen. So opportunistic. He votes me because a "scum" is defending me or some shit like that....Why wouldn't you just vote the "scum" . Hes activity is also pretty bad.
SpryeX has got that creative claim. I've seen him do things like this as scum before. Me and him have a lot of experience. He should know I'm town.
Kise he's been too lackadaisical this game. Too inconsitent in activity and hasnt brought anything to the table. Call him more of a policy lynch that might get lucky, I think we got a couple of those to choose from.-
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Agreed they are mostly based on my experience with the two. However there are commonalities that we should agree upon.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Is that what I'm doing? "Cuz I'm on your scum list, hahahahhahahah.Benmage wrote:Dramonic's line of theory is in complete contrast to my own. For me the logical scum player is nonconfrontational and takes a relatively back seat for the game (especially the early part of the game) trying to remain aloof and off the radar.
DrippingGoofball wrote: Your placements of Vaya and Dramonic are based on vague metas that are completely unsupported by anything likely of convincing anyone else.
Vaya is one of the less active players and coasting, agree? Dramonic believes scum are forefrontal and confrontational players correct? Do you think these two beliefs/styles resemble that of a town person?
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Fixed:DrippingGoofball wrote:
Is that what I'm doing? "Cuz I'm on your scum list, hahahahhahahah.Benmage wrote:Dramonic's line of theory is in complete contrast to my own. For me the logical scum player is nonconfrontational and takes a relatively back seat for the game (especially the early part of the game) trying to remain aloof and off the radar.
Agreed they are mostly based on my experience with the two. However there are commonalities that we should agree upon.DrippingGoofball wrote: Your placements of Vaya and Dramonic are based on vague metas that are completely unsupported by anything likely of convincing anyone else.
Vaya is one of the less active players and coasting, agree? Dramonic believes scum are forefrontal and confrontational players correct? Do you think these two beliefs/styles resemble that of a town person?
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Are you going to read the next line...Seriously why the fuck make this comment. fuckina. fluff is for scum, oh mighty fluffmaster.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Nope. Not seeing any commonalities for us to agree upon. Did you mention them?Benmage wrote:
Agreed they are mostly based on my experience with the two. However there are commonalities that we should agree upon.DrippingGoofball wrote: Your placements of Vaya and Dramonic are based on vague metas that are completely unsupported by anything likely of convincing anyone else.
Zomg the next line. You got to it...and read it! Hooray! I said Vaya is a less active player here and seems to be coasting. 2 parts, do you agree with either....this is referencing this game alone...nothing else.DrippingGoofball wrote:
I happen to disagree about Vaya. I can't quote ongoing games.Benmage wrote:Vaya is one of the less active players and coasting, agree? Dramonic believes scum are forefrontal and confrontational players correct? Do you think these two beliefs/styles resemble that of a town person?
This isn't meant to be a case numbnuts just a statement that you differ from them, because in the post I was responding to it looked like you thought I was associating your scumminess with theirs.DrippingGoofball wrote:
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Maybe so, but shes taken a back seat here. Have you seen her like this as town before? I haven't.DrippingGoofball wrote:
The mighty fluffmaster will speak. Silence!Benmage wrote:
Are you going to read the next line...Seriously why the fuck make this comment. fuckina. fluff is for scum, oh mighty fluffmaster.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Nope. Not seeing any commonalities for us to agree upon. Did you mention them?Benmage wrote:
Agreed they are mostly based on my experience with the two. However there are commonalities that we should agree upon.DrippingGoofball wrote: Your placements of Vaya and Dramonic are based on vague metas that are completely unsupported by anything likely of convincing anyone else.
I've seen Vaya LESS active as scum.
Do you think shes one of the more active players here?DrippingGoofball wrote:
I COMPLETELY disagree about Vaya.Benmage wrote:
Zomg the next line. You got to it...and read it! Hooray! I said Vaya is a less active player here and seems to be coasting. 2 parts, do you agree with either....this is referencing this game alone...nothing else.DrippingGoofball wrote:
I happen to disagree about Vaya. I can't quote ongoing games.Benmage wrote:Vaya is one of the less active players and coasting, agree? Dramonic believes scum are forefrontal and confrontational players correct? Do you think these two beliefs/styles resemble that of a town person?
This is simply false. You dont share dracs screwy line of logic. And you aren't a less active player/coaster as I have stated what I think of Vaya.DrippingGoofball wrote:
That's because I do exactly what you accuse them off - and I do it even more.Benmage wrote:
This isn't meant to be a case numbnuts just a statement that you differ from them, because in the post I was responding to it looked like you thought I was associating your scumminess with theirs.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Great case! Like the rest of your so-called cases.Benmage wrote:You're scum for totally different reasons.-
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I'm just thinking that one scum group in a game with 27 players all with PRs would be a very big and beefy scum group. So i dont think one is plausible. Maybe one and a cult or some other strong third party.SpyreX wrote:Which is cool and all I guess except for the fact unless I'm missing something huge there isn't solid ground for two scum groups and EVEN if there were having a group-aligned scum flip would be a net gain of 0.
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Haha your statements fall apart and you bust out the insults...I love it. my questions were on minor things so relaxxx.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Yeah, from you, even a one-liner is painful.Benmage wrote:DGB,Do you think Vaya is one of the more active players here?
Vaya is not the most active player here. It's all relative.
So?
You said you completely disagree with my statements on Vaya. Yet all I said regarding Vaya was that shes been relatively inactive and coasting.
You now seem to be agreeing with her less than active posting style in this game.
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Reasoning?SpyreX wrote:Ohh yea and I totally forgot:
Vote: Benmage
Silly me.
Why?chamber wrote:vote papa zito
I'd still prefer dramonic but I can compromise.
Really... Pretty sure PZ was pushing a scope lynch for ages. I think PZ is town.VP Baltar wrote: Spy, why did you vote benmage over PZ? I thought the whole purpose of the Kscope wagon was to prove how much PZ was chainsawing for benmage.
Also,Vote:Papa Zito
Who are your suspects now that Kscope has flipped town, PZ?
Why hasnt he voted?Elmo wrote:hi?
Hmmm Elmo may be scum.VP Baltar wrote:Honestly, I don't see a lot of value to a pro-twn double voter and I am especially suspicious since elmo and his predecessor didn't claim it right away when people were talking about it. Why try and keep it a secret?
On the other hand, if elmo is telling the truth, then I suspect scum may have some ability to affect the votecount as well as a counterbalance.
Scum.Papa Zito wrote:Ohhai. Rereading last night was enlightening.
I needviews on dramonic plz.everyone's
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Ahhh so milkshake is being setup as a possible SK, i.e. the strangler. I'm down for this. If he does flip SK, it doesnt clear dram at all....Jailkeeper could easily be scum.
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how the hell do you know that?Papa Zito wrote:First, some housekeeping:
"Strangle" = mafia killcuriouskarmadog wrote:NPC, The Giver, Strangled Pre Game
"Throat slit" = sk killcuriouskarmadog wrote: 26.) populartajo, The Rodent Tamer, With the Council, Throat slit Night 1
15.) DrippingGoofball, The Cloner, With the Council, Throat slit Night 2
22.) vollkan, The Consumer, With the Council, Strangled Night 2
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Plums post 2245 helped clear somethings up.
So…the only case on milkshake is the RB and the lack of strangulation on N1…
Word. I really think Vaya is scum this game.VP Baltar wrote:
This is pretty ridiculous logic considering how many PRs are in play this game. There could have been any number of things that would have prevented a "strangulation" from occuring Night1. Docs, Roleblockers, busdrivers, bulletproof vests...who knows. Someone is going to have to give me better evidence than this if my vote is expected.Vaya wrote:It's simple really guys. N1, dram blocked milk and there was no "strangling" death(also, only one town was killed). N2, dram didn't block milk and the "strangling" death was back(and there were two town killed).
I’ll get back to my opinions on PZs townhood later. More important things.VP Baltar wrote:
But he didn't really rally the troops until you were getting strung up, correct? Anyhow, what makes you believe so strongly that PZ is town?Benmage wrote:Really... Pretty sure PZ was pushing a scope lynch for ages. I think PZ is town.
Yeah, I would still like a more substansive answer to that question actually. What was the point of hiding the double voter ability? Also, why is Elmo making it a point to not participate at all after he replaced in?Benmage wrote:VPB wrote: Honestly, I don't see a lot of value to a pro-twn double voter and I am especially suspicious since elmo and his predecessor didn't claim it right away when people were talking about it. Why try and keep it a secret?
On the other hand, if elmo is telling the truth, then I suspect scum may have some ability to affect the votecount as well as a counterbalance.
Hmmm Elmo may be scum.
Yes Elmo’s play is quite poor.
100% agree Sajin is scum this game.VP Baltar wrote:
Wow. Sajin is quintessential "not paying attention" scum.Sajin wrote:That quick wagon was fail.
I am down with a milkshake lynch but not until after he claims. If nothing else it could be more info.
Is there a post restriction stopping people from explaining votes when they vote me???Kise wrote:So nobody got a note?
Vote: Benmage
KK was spreading propaganda then.
Wowzers shes diggin her own grave.VP Baltar wrote:
I don't see how you can believe both of these at the same time.Vaya wrote: I think chances are decent that dram blocking milk had something to do with the failed kill.
Unvotefor now though, since people are right that it doesn't mean that milk is definitely scum, as I felt when I first voted him.
Caught up…This game is draining.
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I think theres to much speculation into this milkshake vote. I liked milks early claim and play thus far and dont pin him as scum.
Dramonic on the other hand has played scummy and could easily be a scum jailkeeper.
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Zomg so much wifom. We dont even know if VP got a note. Or is KK sent the note. Sure its all likely, but nothing is concrete. Than you have would KK do this as my partner to clear me, or as scum to simply set me up....Get me lynched in some weird way connected to a 3rd party...he didnt know he was going to die that night, he could've been apart of pushing that note lynch.Kise wrote:@Benmage - Thing is, I have reason to believe KK, The Scribe, wrote that note to VP the other night claiming that KMD(right?) would win if you're lynched. Now if you're town, why the heck would The Scribe go to quasiprotective lengths for your safety? And besides, wouldn't a false message (note-writer) be better suited for mafia to have and spread their lies? I don't think it was innocent fun. I think he was trying to illustrate you as an unlikely lynch candidate because you're his partner.
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Well I'd cite things for you that I liked/appreciated but that'd take time...Off the top of my head Its a gut read/liking of his overall play and thinking it townlike.VP Baltar wrote:
Why can't you just explain it? I would think if you have a town read on someone, you should at least be able to give me a few reasons off the top of your head why. There is no rush really, but it's something I want to know.Benmage wrote:
Why, whats the rush?VP Baltar wrote:
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Good summary Spry.
Top 3 suspects hrmm…
1. SP: I think hes scum who thought he caught some other type of scum/3rd party.
2. Vaya: her play doesn’t match my experience with/is overall plainly poor and scummy.
3. Sajin: this coasting is unacceptable and totally matches a personal scum meta on him.
Honorable mentions would goto:
Dramonic: plays been poor...doesn’t match previous town play…theory on his JK/SK is bad…although I don’t have much experience with him…so maybe he just isn’t good??
Elmo: 14 posts = scum.
Kise: I don’t like the odd play/also coaster style.
On a side note. I think SpryeX might be town. This play is similar to things I’ve seen from him(he just has a terrible read on me for some reason.) A lesser degree in WoT(I think activity, maybe RL played an issue here). But also in Mini 758.-
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I dont even get what his PR is, unless its like some VT useless thing...i'm baffled by him but is play is worthy enough of a lynch. Though we just policy-lynched us into our own doom like 2 games ago....then again a scum died at night...SpyreX wrote:Unvote, vote chamber
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Word, I'm so down to vote this. Enough delay.VP Baltar wrote:
I agree with the part directed toward Sajin pretty heavily actually. Stark is still scummy in my eyes for playing around in the scenery, but Sajin has done absolutely nothing today in terms of scumhunting and simply deserves to die for it.stark wrote:I would really like to know why I'm in three people's scumlists.
@Sajin- Nice job man. Way to berate me for not scumhunting, then next day coast by, and only come back when your name comes up to crawl back into your tunnel.
I thought you were just stupid town, but now I'm reconsidering.
unvote vote Sajin
ignore the different claims just state off gut suspicion who you dislike/think is scummy...chamber wrote:
tbh spyre demanding that we all post lists in the way he did pissed me off so I felt like being obstinate for a while but I've calmed down since, I'll get one together eventually. I'm confused atm cause all my reads based on play more or less contradict the cross clearing claims.VP Baltar wrote:Yeah, chamber, you're intentionally ignoring me now and I don't like it. Who are your top three scum suspects. I'm not even asking you for a frakking reason.-
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The claims themselves aren't even Absolute 100%. So just give us how you "feel" about the claim...it should be quicker...than you can further deduce after bringing the claims you believe into the scenario. I was trying to speed the process up for you.chamber wrote:
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SerialClergyman wrote:benmage, how have you missed all of this?
I thought Vaya did the action.... Yet Plum got blocked and no action...hence the confusion SC.dramonic wrote:one of them does the action at night, but they both receive the result.
At least that's what I understand...
You aren't active enough. Why did I make #2 on your list?Elmo wrote:
Why, in your opinion? Or do you mean Rosso's, or what?Benmage wrote:Yes Elmo’s play is quite poor.
Still baffled at you....KK clearly didn't protect me saying I should be lynch to fulfill KmD's WC...how the fuck is that at all protecting me???KmD said the one he needs to kill is the SK...puhhleeeeassse elaborate more Kise...and not in 5 days.Kise wrote:
It's brilliant. KK had no reason to protect you from being lynched unless you're his buddy. I am a bit worried VP doesn't see this though.Benmage wrote:I cant believe your #1 read is that scribe thing....play better-
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