The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[stark]

Jordon had one less vote, I felt like making them even.

Also, I don't care much about Kise's claim, which is the reason he's being wagoned.

Vote: Vaya

The Silent Bandwagoner

[stark]

So Jordan, why were you against everyone random voting in this post?

ok. this is a terrible RVS. We need people to defend themselves; think; prosper. If literally EVERYONE randomly votes, then nothing will begin.

About Kise. He claims to be jester who can win during the Night, and announces it. obv lying.
I'm guessing some sort of martyr ability?

Kise wuld not want us to kill him if it didnt benefit him. Come now, people. Think.

Kmd and stark, random or what is the case on Vaya?

Lame excuses for bandwagoning were given

[stark]

I need a good reason for jumping on an early bandwagon?

Yes. Obv Scum.

[stark]

Kise may have a suicide-y martyr problem.

Taking ridiculous players seriously?
Over-analyzing posts in search of a secret revelation?

You may be suffering from HDS, or Humor Deficiency Syndrome. This unfortunate disorder plagues many scummers across the site.

If you think that you or a loved one might be suffering from HDS, consult your doctor. He or she may perscribe that you slap yourself in the face. If problems persist, repeat the measure until you can look at a post that is obviously not serious, and not launch into a baseless rant.

HDS. The Silent Killer.

[stark]

Where does it say what is town anywhere? Is it listed that Council=town? If so, point it out to me please.

It should say it in your PM, scum.

unvote

Vote: DeathNote

[stark]

Where does it say what is town anywhere? Is it listed that Council=town? If so, point it out to me please.

It should say it in your PM, scum.

unvote

Vote: DeathNote

Explain this stark. Now. Are you mafia or 3rd party?

unvote; vote: Stark

....

1. The game begins with the death of "The Giver"
2. "The Giver", as stated in the introduction, is aligned with the Council
3. "The Giver"'s name has been written in green.
4. Green is the color asigned to all dead player/NPCs aligned with the town.
5. I am aligned with the council


I don't understand how this was even a question.

[stark]

I'm sorry, I've obviously missed something.

Please explain where you think "I Slipped".

[stark]

Stark still has some explaining to do.

I'm pretty sure I really don't.

Unvote

[stark]

Why is Sajin scum again?

Not playing to his town meta.

Why do you think the DeathNote "slip" is more telling than what Stark said?

I don't think Stark meant that it directly said council is town, but implies it. DeathNote couldn't even see this much.

Thank you.

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1. My wagon really really needs to dissolve fast.
2. I hope you all saw that wagon hop from Vaya.

Vote: Vaya

@Kajin

I unvoted because the situation with the player I was voting was resolved to my satisfaction.

[stark]

Dear Stark,

I don't care if you think your wagon needs to dissolve. Answer my question.

KMD explained it very well in the quote above. Please learn to read.

XOXO,

Stark

[stark]

Also, Snow_Bunny, what's your name?

[stark]

^ Winner

[stark]

It should say it in your PM, scum.

unvote

Vote: DeathNote

This is where the bandwagon started. He is assuming that the Mod told me I was aligned with Town/Mafia/Third Party. What he didn't know wast that I was only told I am aligned with Council. I had to deduct that this meant Town which I did a poor job of. The reason this post is scummy is that he is making it seem like he had his role told to him. Unless the mod played favorites and told him he was town (doubt it) then he should have to do the same deductions as me, therefor his reasoning is bogus. He says it should be said in my PM, yet it didn't. I only concluded that the mod must have told him his alignment was scum when revealing his scum buddies in his role PM.

It was obviously an over-estimation of deductive ability. I had read the flavor before the game started, and became acquainted with the different forces in the game. I assumed that others had done the same. When I got my PM, and it said I was aligned with the Council, I interpreted it to be the town, which it was.

I was concerned when DeathNote expressed confusion on the matter. This concern dissapeared over a very brief period of time; incidentally, this particular process would be really nice to see in terms of my wagon.

[stark]

I was concerned when DeathNote expressed confusion on the matter. This concern dissapeared over a very brief period of time; incidentally, this particular process would be really nice to see in terms of my wagon.

What made it disappear?

Instinct and Magic.

[stark]

Spyrex- Can you summarize your case on Jordan?

I am still convinced on Stark though. Now he wants to downplay his slip, but he was willing to lynch for a similar but opposing mistake. Go figure.

Have you played mafia before?

Since when does a day 1 vote = willing to lynch?

Willing to lynch is riding a stupid, foundationless wagon.

[stark]

Spyrex- Can you summarize your case on Jordan?

I am still convinced on Stark though. Now he wants to downplay his slip, but he was willing to lynch for a similar but opposing mistake. Go figure.

Have you played mafia before?

Since when does a day 1 vote = willing to lynch?

Willing to lynch is riding a stupid, foundationless wagon.

So you were not willing to lynch the bandwagon that you quickly jumped on? Seriously? Then explain the reasoning of why you voted. (

And no one else better answer this for him

)

Yeah guys, you'd better not. Or else he might pursue a ridiculous wagon on you.
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Sajin.

Your tunnel vision deserves World Heritage Site status.

I am truly amazed that you can ride my donkey to page 19, and completely ignore behavior equal/greater to my behavior

on my second post

.

Have you missed every person who's quietly jumped on the wagon that you created based on

one insubstantial post?

For your sake, I truly hope this is a part of a more elaborate plan for scum hunting. Please let me be right.
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Introduction to Mafia 101: Lesson 1: Bandwagons


When a game begins, there are a few good reasons to jump on a wagon.

You could make a list of these reasons.

Towards the bottom of this list would be "I am wagoning this person because I want to lynch them."

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I honestly don't know how much more I have to fight you on this before you realize that your passionate efforts are a detriment to the town's scumhunting process, but I'll keep it up as long as I have to.

[stark]

I see no explanation for your vote in the above post stark. Still waiting.

At this point, I am more than content to let you wait. However, when you level up your reading ability, your answer will probably reveal itself.

PRO TIP: You can earn easy XP by reading things like labels and street signs! Once you've got that down, you can try harder monsters, like witty T-shirts.

[stark]

@Llama- You reply was why you thought other people were scummy, not why you thought stark was town. What scum hunting has stark done in your opinion?

A policy lynch and a policy vig are not the same thing.

Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot I was supposed to do that in all the free time I had when not defending myself from the stupidwagon.

[stark]

Dear SB,

In terms of miller-ness, is it specified in your pm how you will show up when investigated?

[stark]

Dear SB,

In terms of miller-ness, is it specified in your pm how you will show up when investigated?

I'll show up as a Converter upon investigation.

Ok, awesome, thanks.


Was any particular reason given for that in the flavor?

[stark]

So it just says you're the beggar, or whatever, and you show up as a converter?

[stark]

Do you have any bad habits?

[stark]

Stark, what do you think of DN?

After his "let me stay one night" business? Destroy him.

[stark]

lol, just looked at the wagons.

My point B translates to bomb Stark XD

What does that mean?

[stark]

A stark or snowbunny flip would be the most informational. I strongly prefer stark. I have getting strong resistance to this wagon once it got rolling.

Because it's stupid. And baseless.

If you're banging you're head against the wall, and people are telling you to stop, this does not mean that you've solved the mystery.

[stark]

Incoming long post: The summary of the case on stark.

Where does it say what is town anywhere? Is it listed that Council=town? If so, point it out to me please.

It should say it in your PM, scum.

unvote

Vote: DeathNote

He votes deathnote for claiming something is in a town PM that some people have claimed is not there. I vote him and question him about it. It should be obvious since deathnote is town that this is scum hopping on the badwagon of town for a false reason. He has NEVER adequately explained this statement.

Where does it say what is town anywhere? Is it listed that Council=town? If so, point it out to me please.

It should say it in your PM, scum.

unvote

Vote: DeathNote

Explain this stark. Now. Are you mafia or 3rd party?

unvote; vote: Stark

....

1. The game begins with the death of "The Giver"
2. "The Giver", as stated in the introduction, is aligned with the Council
3. "The Giver"'s name has been written in green.
4. Green is the color asigned to all dead player/NPCs aligned with the town.
5. I am aligned with the council


I don't understand how this was even a question.

He does not reaffirm what he said before but instead tries to explain it off using the opening post. This is different logic then he originally used.

@Llama- You reply was why you thought other people were scummy, not why you thought stark was town. What scum hunting has stark done in your opinion?

A policy lynch and a policy vig are not the same thing.

Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot I was supposed to do that in all the free time I had when not defending myself from the stupidwagon.

He openly admits he has not been scumhunting. In his 5th post he was willing to hop on a bandwagon so quickly. And yet here he says he has not scumhunted yet. His limited scum hunting efforts since then have been exclusively of the miller claim.

DGB, what do you think of stark?

KMD- What do you think of stark?

Sociopath- What do you think of stark?

Ooh why you so obsessed with me?

Boy I want to know... lyin' that I'm scum, you see,

When everybody knows it's clear that you're upset with me

Ohh finally found a girl that you couldn't impress

Last man on the earth still couldn't lynch this

[stark]

Stark- Why not address the concerns and explain your reasons as well as scum hunt?

No.

Unvote

Vote: Alvinz95

[stark]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="populartajo"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="populartajo"]Also I want to know why people are exactly voting Bunny and Stark. One-two lines would be enough.

Snow_Bunny -4 (tubby216, Kublai Khan, alvins95, Cass)
stark -4 (Sajin, KaleiÐoscøpe, Vaya, VP Baltar)[/quote]He's scum
srsly[/quote]
yh bt why s h scm?[/quote]stark=scum trying a reckless kill[/quote]


What?

[stark]

wtf? So you think a lurker lynch is a better case than someone who has acted outright scummy and refuses to do anything to the contrary? Why don't we just replace alvinz and lynch actual scum today?

I know Alvinz can do more than he has so far. Snow hasn't done anything scummy yet. There isn't a good argument against Stark yet. Alvinz is the best lynch of the three.

Alvinz has also been actively posting in other games.

[stark]

Maybe it's a dumb idea, but the way in which SB was saying that cops should use her to test their investigations bothered me.

Could it be possible that it's some kind of trap? That she might have some kind of ability that does bad things to people who target her?

[stark]

unvote

Vote: Kscope

An iso-scan of Kscope is ridiculous.

[stark]

That's pretty hypocritical coming from you Stark.

No, because what bothers me about Kscope is his content-less wagonhopping.

I may be contentless, but I have not wagonhopped.

[stark]

@plum/stark- So what I also listed KMD as doing do you not consider a scum tell or do you consider it a town tell? While I agree it alone is not indicative as anything, surely it is not a good thing to have a bad track record. Voting for that alone would be bad reasoning I agree.

To be honest, I'm not sure if I have a very good read on KMD. But in terms of "track record", a case needs to be more substantial than that.

Are you planning on claiming, KMD?

[stark]

Stark-why did you ask Kmd to claim at L-3?

I didn't ask him to claim. I asked him

if he was planning to claim

.

This is different.

[stark]

Tell us about the SK

[stark]

Stark, if I do that:
1) You don't need me and will probably lynch me, causing me to lose
2) We won't even catch them in the first place.

Ok.

Can you give us your real claim then?

[stark]

Need time to make one up?

No, we all got one and I already said i end in -er...

Ur not town, why would I reveal information, that if ur scum will only help scum.

Just for flavor clarification.

People's titles, The ____-er, are given to them by The Giver. As I understand it, this means that only players who are aligned with the council have -er rolenames.

Do you all think it'd be best for us to know KMD's target?

[stark]

How does he enslave you, KMD?

[stark]

Wow, this game has confused me more than any other game I have ever played. My head is spinning.

SB, I asked your name because I didn't believe your claim. Now I believe it, and don't want your name anymore.

[stark]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]

Vote: stark

We're back on track.

Also, lol at KMD failing again and being bitter AGAIN[/quote]

What do you want from me?

[stark]

Vote: Stark

Makes perfect sense with kublai's flip as well as him still being unhelpful plus the previous observations of him.

Damn, you caught me. I never would have thought someone would put those three together! You meddling kid!

Stark is on my "Top 5 people I'd be willing to lynch today" list.

During his time in this game, this was the only comment KK ever made about me. Please explain how that makes

PERFECT SENSE

ProTip: The Perfect Scum Catching Equation

Information Contradictory to your case
+
Unsubstantiated Accusations
+
An unhealthy obsession
=

100% SUCCESS RATE! SCUM CAPTURED!
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Dear Sajin. Please stop professing to be a useful member of the town. I am fully aware that my contributions thus far have not been helpful in my catching of scum.

Your contributions and my contributions have a hot date on the failboat. You have contributed nothing. You have a severe case of tunnel-vision-itis. That's it.

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That being said, I'll have something by the end of the weekend.

[stark]

[quote="SpyreX]
Yet, somehow I killed myself. Which means either SB did some kinda reflexive business or something truly fishy is going on.

Unvote, Vote: Snow_Bunny

[/quote]

Maybe it's a dumb idea, but the way in which SB was saying that cops should use her to test their investigations bothered me.

Could it be possible that it's some kind of trap? That she might have

some kind of ability that does bad things to people who target her?

With last nights results in mind, is this a possibility now?

FoS: SB

[stark]

Sorry for multipost. This scumhunting thing is fun! Just an interesting thing I noticed in my iso of KK

SocioPath in particular was scummy as he pushed ~Jordan' to blow up Rosso Carne over a perceived jester claim.

Possible Chainsaw?

@ SocioPath: Why did you push for ~Jordan' to kill Rosso Carne? Did you honestly believe that he was a jester? Did you honestly think that was the best play?

Again?

Do you think Rosso Carne is scum?

unvote

Wait..

Does Rosso Carne want to place the 13th vote?

Making sure partner is on the wagon?

A strange attachment to essentially a non-player

[stark]

OMG CLASSIC bus'ing.

unvote, vote: Rosso Carne

Do you think rosso is scum, DG?

[stark]

I am the Toucher. I 'touch' 1 player at night. If they have an active ability, I am informed at daybreak what ability I've absorbed and the next night I get to either a) use that ability or b) touch another player.

I touched Spyrex and was informed I didn't receive an ability.

As I said, it's not alignment information and it's not 100% foolproof but it's definitely enough to make me suspicious of Spyrex, particularly when his current posts are nothing to write home about.

I agree third party seems likely.

Spyrex, does it say in your PM that you have an active ability?

[stark]

My ability says nothing SPECIFIC about being passive or active. However, the mechanics of it are definitely active.

Now, I have no strong idea why you would 1.) lie about this or 2.) didn't get it. My conjecture would be that my ability is related to my potions and not inherent in me?

Woah, sorry, hang on.

Sample PM:

Name:

The Mod

Power Type:

Active, Passive, Special, or...???[/u][/i]

Alignment:

With the Council, With the Converters, or….????

Flavor:

Blah blah blah, I’m a dirty tramp

Power:

Kick Ass

Win Condition:

“You win when all who oppose The Council are eliminated.”, “You win when there is no way for the followers of the Council can win.”, or….???

Are you saying that your PM doesn't have that line?

[stark]

Spyrex

:

Can you ask the mod if the potions you have can be given to other players? In other words, whether you can simply give a potion to someone else as opposed to using it on them?

[stark]

My role is pretty simple. Pick a potion, pick a target, ??? happens to said target.

That part is easy to explain without issue.

Do you have many potions left?

[stark]

Yes I have a very wide variety left.

And how much do you know about each?

[stark]

Spyrex- What would you say to the idea tha from now on, just give yourself the potions?

[stark]

I doubt he can even use them on himself.

You should ask this first, spyrex

[stark]

One shot investigation

[stark]

I think the last couple of pages have descended into very little to be honest. I don't think there's been a single vote change or much serious scumhunting at all.

Would it be a terrible idea to consider talking about Rosso?

[stark]

SB, when can you use you investigation?

[stark]

Would it be a terrible idea to consider talking about Rosso?

Rosso = annoying town double voter. Yes?

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Just an interesting thing I noticed in my iso of KK

SocioPath in particular was scummy as he pushed ~Jordan' to blow up Rosso Carne over a perceived jester claim.

Possible Chainsaw?

@ SocioPath: Why did you push for ~Jordan' to kill Rosso Carne? Did you honestly believe that he was a jester? Did you honestly think that was the best play?

Again?

Do you think Rosso Carne is scum?

unvote

Wait..

Does Rosso Carne want to place the 13th vote?

Making sure partner is on the wagon?

A strange attachment to essentially a non-player

[stark]

Is it possible that a 3rd party Spyrex might have a win condition like "You win once all of your potions have been tested"?

Also, Spyrex, what is your power that was given to you by the Goma?

[stark]

Spyrex, what are your potions that are not named after colors?

This may be very important.

[stark]

I'm not super into all of the arguments regarding SB this, SB that. The thing that bothers me is how fervently SB encouraged cops to "Investigate her to test their sanity". I might be mistaken, but I have never seen a claimed miller do this before.

That, combined with what happened to Spyrex makes me more and more sure that SB has some trap ability.

We just need to get something done today.

Vote: SB

[stark]

Well see, I'm third party and need to get dramonic, Papa Zito, milkshake, Sajin and SerialClergyman killed to win. Everyone else was just random.org'ed

Unvote
Vote: Chamber

I don't like third-parties. Especially not those that want to kill me.

Additionally, unless you have some kind of killing power killing five players by yourself is ridiculous and a load of hogwash.

ITT dramonic wins the Sense of Humor Award

[stark]

Now, I know you are going to say we can only take her word on that, but it is very simple to confirm whether or not she was telling the truth: we lynch her or vig her after she reveals the investigation. If she flips what she says she is, it's likely she was telling the truth. If she flips scum, then all the better and we can assess her "investigation" from there.

I like this plan, except for the part where she's roleblocked (if actually town).

unvote

That's probably best.

Let's lynch Rosso

Vote: Rosso Carne

[stark]

Yes, kill the closest to confirmed town, it's definitely optimal <_<

Wait, so you're saying that Rosso is

confirmed town

?

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Regarding SB:


If you do an iso read on KK, you'll find that he spends a lot of time attacking SB.

What does that mean if the running theory is that SB was coached by a more experienced scumpartner into claiming miller D1?

[stark]

What does that mean if the running theory is that SB was coached by a more experienced scumpartner into claiming miller D1?

What does it mean that the attacks weren't picked up on until today? Distancing dear stark, distancing.

...?


.... Or the fact that KK flipped scum...

[stark]

^ Sorry I didn't understand what you were saying.


Are you saying that KK was trying to bus his partner D1?

[stark]

Are you saying that KK was trying to bus his partner D1?

Entirely possible. When looking at voting trends D1 wagons tend to carry the most weight, mainly because they hold the most flips. Being early on a scum wagon can really help you ride to endgame.

So you're saying that the scum devised a plan:

Step 1: Convince SB to fakeclaim Miller D1
Step 2: Hard-bus her when she claims
Step 3: Watch SB flip scum, ride D1 scumcatch to the end

???

[stark]

Step 1: Convince SB to fakeclaim Miller D1
Step 2: Hard-bus her when she claims
Step 3: Watch SB flip scum, ride D1 scumcatch to the end

True story. I once won a game as scum doing

exactly

that.

Ok. Good. When that happened, did the rest of your partners follow the plan as well?

[stark]

Damnit Volkan, why you gotta spoil my thunder.

Unvote

With that in mind, I would jump behind Ben, Scope or BM. Sajin's latest post also ruffles the feathers.

@Stark:

These are the not "colors" I have:

Green Jelly, White Powder, Sandy, Reflective

(Needless to say this isn't near all of the potions I have, just the non color ones)

Just to be safe, please please do not use White Powder.

[stark]

Step 1: Convince SB to fakeclaim Miller D1
Step 2: Hard-bus her when she claims
Step 3: Watch SB flip scum, ride D1 scumcatch to the end

True story. I once won a game as scum doing

exactly

that.

Very Important

If we're assuming that "The Plan" is what the scum tried to do yesterday, if there was one player, in addition to KK, who rode that wagon all day it was

Tubby

You'll also notice that the only time tubby got off the SB wagon was to jump on the KMD wagon towards the end.

I am about 87.6% sure that tubby is scum

I believe that tubby is an excellent compromise lynch for today.

unvote

Vote: Tubby

[stark]

Very Important


If we're assuming that "The Plan" is what the scum tried to do yesterday, if there was one player, in addition to KK, who rode that wagon all day it was



Tubby

You'll also notice that the only time tubby got off the SB wagon was to jump on the KMD wagon towards the end.

I am about 87.6% sure that tubby is scum

I believe that tubby is an excellent compromise lynch for today.

unvote
Vote: Tubby

This is true (it's why I voted tubby at first)... but it is also already very widely known!

This also assumes that SB is scum (which, while we're giving percentages, I agree with 67.1%)

Yeah, I understand that but the problem with lynching SB is two fold:

1) We've spent tooooo mmuuuuucchhhh tiiiimmmeee debating SB's scumness, and we're not getting anywhere. If Tubby flips scum, then there is no debate whatsoever.

2) SB is not supposed to survive the night, so why should we waste a lynch on her? If she survives the night, then she's obvscum.

If we lynch tubby, SB comes with the package. It's no big thing.

[stark]

Wow that's a terribad post.

Both 1) and 2) are absolutely not true, and 2) especially is LESS LIKELY to be true as soon as you've said it.

We have not spent a ridiculous amount of time on SB? We're not going to conclude anything new.

Tubby is the best lynch today.

[stark]

Would you be willing to lynch Tubby, SB?

[stark]

To all future Tubby-wagon members

This is my understanding of the case against tubby. I'm sure there are others, but this is what has sold me on it:


There was a theory, I've forgotten who proposed it, but it essentially says that:

1) There's this idea that if you claim miller D1, you can ride it to the end of the game

2) However, this is the type of move that only a very experienced player would think of making

3) The synthesis of these two ideas is that one of SB's more experienced scumpartners convinced SB to claim miller.

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D2, KK flips scum. Obv obv town is very happy.

In looking back through D1, however, KK was against SB from the very begining, and rode her wagon the whole day.

This was very strange, as it didn't make sense:

"Why would scum convince their partner to claim miller, and then hard-bus them D1?"

But then PZ said this:

Are you saying that KK was trying to bus his partner D1?

Entirely possible. When looking at voting trends D1 wagons tend to carry the most weight, mainly because they hold the most flips. Being early on a scum wagon can really help you ride to endgame.

And this:

Isn't it a great way to hedge your bet? Either SB lives and gets to spring her trap or SB gets lynched but KK can use his place on the wagon as defense against anything.

And then DGB said this:

Step 1: Convince SB to fakeclaim Miller D1
Step 2: Hard-bus her when she claims
Step 3: Watch SB flip scum, ride D1 scumcatch to the end

True story. I once won a game as scum doing

exactly

that.

And SC said this:

On the flip side of the hard bus day one, in emerald city mafia, which KK just finished, he claimed miller as scum and had another scum member try to bus him resulting in her being killed and he being a confirmed town miller for the entire game. It happens, and KK would absolutely know the plan.

Even though the scenario here is essentially the opposite of our running hypothesis it's still KKhan with Tricky Miller Manuver in the Dining Room.

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So at that point I was convinced. This makes perfect sense as to what has happened. So I iso-read the vote-counts of day 1, and it was KK(scum) and

Tubby

riding the SB wagon all day, getting off only to essentially hammer KMD


I can't speak for you, but to me, there is a tubby-shaped hole in that scum plan.

With that, tubby should be the obvious lynch for today.

[stark]

@SC:

Say you touch someone, and copy their power.

If you really like it, can you just hang on to it for the rest of the game?

[stark]

L-2

[stark]

I am so close to tears because of this game.

Plum, please help us connect the dots.

How can you drop this, and expect us all to go on our merry way?

[stark]

I understand that, but the problem is that


Accurate role information =/= not scum


If you're waiting to see whether he lies or not, you're going to be waiting a long time.

From how he's played so far, what makes you think he'll volunteer any information not under pressure?

[stark]

Heh- oops, when I made my last post I was on the bottom of page 73 without realizing there was a 74!

Accurate role information =/= not scum

The Happy Hoppy Fuzzy Bunny is scum?

That's so evil it could be true. But the hide mechanic wouldn't make any sense on scum (scum self-sacrificing third-party finder!). It makes sense that he would target me, too, since I'm claimed (and not a miller claim!...)

The role name is confirmed.

Maybe I mis-read, but the role itself is not.

[stark]

I am really pissed at tubby wagon being de-railed.

@

Plum

: Was there something in the information you got that indicated tubby was town?

------------------


Regarding Benmage wagon above.

I'm pretty sure we already determined claim-switch-claim was a bad strategy

[stark]

I am really pissed at tubby wagon being de-railed.

@

Plum

: Was there something in the information you got that indicated tubby was town?

No. I'm not voting right now and in the near future - this weekend, I hope - I'll do a reread of him and Benmage and possibly KScope. I hesitated because he claimed his true Rolename; this makes me somewhat more inclined to believe he's Town but it's not my final word on his scumminess.

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Look at KK.

His rolename is "The Scribe".

There is nothing in that name that would indicate scum or town.

Obviously you and "your partner" received accurate information last night.

But given the nature of the rolenames in this game, there is no reason for scum to lie when nameclaiming.

[stark]

There are exactly 0 reasons why Tubby should be alive at this point.


Please, can we just be unified for one day and lynch scum.

That's the point, right? When you're playing mafia, you're supposed to lynch scum.

[stark]

I'd be up for a stark lynch.

Just sayin'.

You guys have no sense of claiming wonderousness.

Sorry what?

[stark]

Do I think he is the correct lynch today? Nope.

Name 2 good reasons why not. 1 even.

[stark]

How is tubby-town fairly plausible???????

[stark]

Can someone direct me to where the case on benmage has been posted?

[stark]

I would super like to lynch Kscope.

But I would be even happier if we could just wait a little bit.

[stark]

No, it's ok, let's just do it.

Vote: Kscope

[stark]

L-2.

Do we want a claim?

[stark]

I echo wanting to know about what tubby did last night as well.

Given DGB's rolename (The Cloner) I would imagine that she's responsible for the zombification.

I also want to know whose ability SC took last night.

[stark]

@SC. I would definitely be interesting in knowing what you took from VP last night.

@SB. You said you got "No Result". What was the other possible outcome?

[stark]

Dear SC,

Please stop treestumping players I think are town

Love,

Llama

Ironically, it would seem that his ability only would benefit from those that are town.

No.....

He is effectively removing the player from the game. I would put good money on what is happening here is the followin

-SC steal the power of a player
-The player becomes a ghost
-As a ghost, they can talk and vote
-Given that they are not "alive" they dont count for a win condition

I would expect this would mean that in a situation with 2 scum, 2 town and 2 "dead" town, scum would win the game. I would prefer him to target players I think are scum with this power.

Sorry, I think I missed the boat a bit.

Spyrex, are you a ghost? Is there anything you are unable to do?

[stark]

@LlamaFluff: Where did you get the idea that zombie players are treestumped?

[stark]

Also:

@Plum: Do you know that your partner is town?

[stark]

Ok, cool.

Does your partner know if you're town?

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Also, I think it's time for SC to share what he learned last night.

[stark]

I think the milkshake case I think may be inconclusive. Correlation =/= Causation.

That being said:

Vote: Tubby

Ridiculous once again

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Also,

VP Baltar

, is there any reason why SC might think you're scum based on blocking/taking your ability last night?

[stark]

no.1 scum is tubby, for reasons I've outlined before. This is suplimented by the obvious fail of

JUMPING ON THE WAGON OF THE PERSON YOU CLAIM TO HAVE HID BEHIND, AFTER MAKING IT CLEAR THAT YOU CLAIM NOT TO BE ABLE TO HIDE BEHIND SCUM.

no.2 scum, even though it sounds OMGUS is Sajin. If you do an iso read of Sajin, it's World Heritage Class Tunnel Vision on me. Once my wagon collapsed, Sajin fell off the radar.

At this point, 2 is enough for me. These two alone consume most of my scumdar power.

[stark]

Need a third stark for complete data purposes.

I have nothing more than a bad gut feeling, but if anyone has to occupy my third slot, it would be Vaya

[stark]

I have a theory that might clear up a lot about the milkshake business.


However, it's not kosher to reference ongoing games, especially ones that you're a part of, right?

[stark]

1.) Chamber

Eh, I don't chamber is scum based on the Goma powers.

Everyone essentially has a power role. That is, all town.

The converters are pissed, and they want powers too.

So of the power roles claimed, I think the confirmable ones would all be town, cause they wouldn't be with the converters cause they were crapped out near the Goma.

A weather changer still changes the weather, and it shows him doing that. I think chamber is essentially just a VT for this game, with a fun but pointless ability.

The above statement is incorrect.

However,

The Converters were able penetrate secured locations in the Inner City District.

The Inner city is also home of many of Surico’s higher level politicians, craftsmen, and wealthy merchants.

This means that the Converters have just as much access to powers as anyone else.

[stark]

3. stark

It's not particularly congruous with stark being so anti-tubby, but I think individually they're my top.

Sorry, what?


Explain?

[stark]

I would really like to know why I'm in three people's scumlists.

@Sajin- Nice job man. Way to berate me for not scumhunting, then next day coast by, and only come back when your name comes up to crawl back into your tunnel.

I thought you were just stupid town, but now I'm reconsidering.

[stark]

@Milkshake- Does it specifically say in your PM that you clear

cop

insanity, or is this something you infered from flavor?

[stark]

And yet, after all of this talk, no list from chamber. It's not that hard, and I'd hardly say I have been abrasive about it. I've asked quite nicely actually. The reason why this data collection in particular is important is that it will allow us to see the general mood of the town and then select from the scummiest looking targets OVERALL instead of everyone having their own personal preferences and talking past one another.

No way any town member should struggle, have to reread or get "tripped up" by a simple question like this. I don't care if you want to conform or not.

I don't think you've been abrasive at all. At this point the only reason I haven't posted a top 3 is because I don't know who my top 3 are. Still trying to sort that out.

Can you pick a top 2? Top 1 even? Then fill in the rest as you go along?

[stark]

Can you number them 1-7 and roll some dice?

[stark]

Are there any of your seven suspects that you would not want lynched over others, chamber?

[stark]

Can you give us your seven, and we can make a team effort?

[stark]

unvote

Vote: Sajin

So super happy to lynch him. Worthless as town, obvobv 1 dimensional as scum.

Seek employment as third party?

[stark]

1- There is no case on me other than my post quantity.

I have contributed far more*

than several other people with low post counts.**

Can I get a case please? If it is simply post quantity then why do people not attack Battlemage for that? A known spammer that has been posting a lot less this game.

2- I am tunneling Stark because it is a good case.

No one has attacked that case at all they have either ignored it or fled elsewhere.**

Stark himself has ignored my accusations. I find a good case and pound at it as I do in every game as town.

*as exemplified by your fantastic scum-hunting today. Good job. Gold Prize.

**you

do

understand how ridiculous that sounds, right?

People tend to stop supporting something when they think it's wrong. You should take a hint.

***it's interesting that you describe yourself as a player with a low post count. Day 1 and Day 2 you were on the ball. But recently you've just contented yourself with gliding under the radar.
If you're town, you want to prove yourself to be a person of good intuition, so as to lead the town to success by lynching anti-town players. Tunnelvision + Selective disapearance =/= Being pro-town.

It's obvious that you simply haven't forgotten the game, or not had time to devote attention to it, because without fail, any time your name comes up, you're there to jump to your own defense, ressurect my wagon (The South Shall Rise Again), and vanish. Repeat.

I am entirely confident that your lynch will be a positive contribution to the town, even if it simply increases the mean intelligence.

[stark]

GOGO Sajin Wagon!

[stark]

Unvote

As much as I truly, truly truly want to lynch Sajin, I feel like a grammar slip, especially in light of the mod's corrections, is too easy.

There's an easy way to prove this though.

SC, can you target Sajin tonight and see what happens?

[stark]

I know, I know.

Believe me, I want a Sajin lynch. I do.

I'm just not confident in light of his claim

[stark]

Sajin, does your PM make any mention of The Rats?

[stark]

Is there anything you've left out of your PM Sajin?

[stark]

Sajin, if we're not going to lynch you today, and at this point, I'm really not feeling it, who would you suggest as an alternative?

[stark]

Ugh, I believe Sajin.

I'm also dubious about picking the guy with the most suspicion to vote. It seems to me that there's little accountability for any of the people on the wagon who voted because it was cool and everyone else was doing it.

If noone has any objections, I plan to touch milkshake tonight. I'm also open to another touch or not touching anyone, at the discretion of people I think are prob-town.

Since it doesn't look like we're lynching Sajin, could you touch him tonight?

That way we can see A) if he's lying about his mystery power and B) if he's not lying, what it might be

[stark]

SC, can you ask the mod if targetting a ??? type ability would result in a failure?

PZ- I've heard a lot about dramonic, but never really understood why he has been repeatedly put on the block.

In 140 characters or less, can you explain dramonicscum to me?

[stark]

Oh, also, before the day is over:

SC- You never revealed (unless I missed it) what you got from VP Baltar. Want to share?

[stark]

Stark - you're more than welcome to, but it specifically says active in my role PM. Also, what result are you hoping to get? Whatever power I get, if Sajin is telling the truth, is likely to be vague and unrevelatory anyway.

Plus milkshake sounds like he'd make a better zombie, and that's totally high on the list.

SC- You never revealed (unless I missed it) what you got from VP Baltar. Want to share?

For what purpose?

Hmm, I'm not sure if I can ask the Mod about another player's power.

Obv it's your choice for who to target.

In terms of the Active vs. ???, as I understand it, Sajin

is

making a choice every night. That sounds active enough to me.

I also find it interesting to contrast Spyrex's power type and Sajin's. Just a thought..

Regarding VP, at the begining of the day, you made it sound like the information you got from him was really kind of important. I was wondering why this took a backseat.

[stark]

Regarding Passive vs. Active

Has anyone else claimed a Passive ability?

Could it be that Active roles interact with other players, while Passives do not?

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@SC

You implied very heavily that the information you gleaned from VP implicated him as scum. I'm bringing it up because the Sajin wagon is collapsing, and I would really like to lynch scum today. I think it's about time.

Does the information you have implicate VP as scum?

[stark]

My bad, I miss read your first post of the morning

I touched you right on your sneaky face

Is VP....

The Sneaker? Pro-Town Sneaker?
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For clarity, do you get to use your ability in the same night that you steal it?

[stark]

Thanks for that PZ.

Vote:dramonic

[stark]

As much as I truly, truly truly want to lynch Sajin, I feel like a grammar slip, especially in light of the mod's corrections, is too easy.

There's an easy way to prove this though.

SC, can you target Sajin tonight and see what happens?

I know, I know.

Believe me, I want a Sajin lynch. I do.

I'm just not confident in light of his claim

In the first quote, stark says he's unvoting him because of the grammar slip. In the second (two posts later) he says he's unvoting him because of his claim. Further more, and for hopefully the last time, SC's touching does not prove alignment. I don't know why people keep pushing this idea. It only proves ability. Also, Sajin didn't even claim to have an active ability....so touching him is pointless.

1. The two prominent reasons for Sajin wagon support post claim was the pronoun confusion and his claim.

I was not sure about either. I put them in different posts. Your point?

This whole bit by stark looks like he's bailing off the wagon because others are doing it.

Hmmmm.......

That's a good point....

I think you caught me.

Oh wait, no, sorry.

Let's go back to page 106.

Oh! Look at that!
Who jumped off the Sajin wagon at L-1?

Oh yeah! That was me!

I think that means that I was the first person to jump off Sajins wagon...

Stark, clarify which of these two reasons you are unvoting Sajin for and why that reason makes you want to unvote even though you "really really" want to lynch him.

We can make a deal. I will clarify myself when you learn how to read.

This might help:

http://www.leapfrog.com/tag/

Reading skills are very useful in a game like mafia for many reasons, two of which are:

1) Recognizing when two players have a conflict for the vast majority of a game

2) Understanding a sequence of events in the order that they happen.

[stark]

2745 also just moved way up the kill list for the "Learn to Read" gambit.

Foiled again. The "Learn to Read" gambit is a staple in every scum's scum tool box.

I'm glad we're on the same strategic level. I see you.

But why don't you explain to everyone who missed the boat what the "Learn to Read" gambit is...

Now, like I said Dram is fine

.

All but this rats leaving the sinking ship

:

I would love to have reasons for Sajin being AOK (Hint: Claim isn't a good reason).

Who exactly are the rats that you don't want to talk to?

[stark]

^ Joke?

[stark]

I think a report of what all the claimed people did last night is in order

[stark]

I hate to say it, but is it time for a massclaim?

[stark]

Ok, it's definitely Massclaim time.

How should we order ourselves? Popcorn?

I also have very very important information that I'm not revealing until after the Massclaim.

[stark]

I don't see any reason for a massclaim today.

VP Baltar was the last one to be targetted by SC right? Presumably the SC kill implicates him, and confirms previous targets as innocent.

Sajin is obvscum.

But first and foremost, Plum and Vaya need to claim their target from last night.

BM

A massclaim is more than appropriate.

And I also think that plumvaya should claim their result after claims. obv.

You can start.

[stark]

Sajin can obv vote (See 2840)

Can you vote, VP? Maybe that's a side-effect of the red potion?

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Regarding massclaim:

It's time.

[stark]

Also

The converters are not responsible for the death of the giver.

If the above is true, all the remaining converters should claim. This isn't a stupid trick. I have a feeling we might really be on the same side.

[stark]

I think there was a list somewhere of players who had already claimed as well as their claims, but I can't find it, so we can re-construct it

1.) tubby216-

Hider Happy rabbit man (sure)

2.) Vaya -

Namecop with Plum

3.) Battle Mage -
6.) VP Baltar -
7.) SpyreX -

Alchemist potion person

9.) milkshake -

Sanity...curing... thing..

10.) Snow_Bunny -

Beggar Miller

12.) Benmage
13.) SocioPath
16.) Sajin -

The Unknown

17.) LlamaFluff
18.) chamber-

Weatherman

20.) Plum-

Namecop with Vaya

21.) Kise-

Sanity...curing... thing..

23.) Elmo-

Doublevoter

24.) stark

We can update as we go along.

BM should start

[stark]

vote: Tubby

I just had a terrible realization. But now isn't the time to reveal it.

I am willing to trade a massclaim for a tubby lynch. Let's do it.

[stark]

Vaya, you're looking at the thread. vote for Tubby. Get your partner to do it too.

[stark]

Hey tubby

You should self vote

[stark]

Vaya, you're looking at the thread. vote for Tubby. Get your partner to do it too.

I am voting tubby. Not that I have any problem with his lynch, but stark, you suggested that you have info that would be useful after a massclaim. Do you think that this info should be known for us today in case you are NKed? We could still go through with the massclaim if you think we need to as well.

You're right, sorry

I agree. I'll share my information when tubby is closer to lynch.

[stark]

Why would someone claim being a 'hider' if they didn't know what the role of a 'hider' DOES?

Because they're scum and they're lying about their ability.

You should vote for tubby.

[stark]

I don't really think we super need it right now. Tomorrow maybe.

Today tubby is being lynched.

Once tubby is at L-2 I'll change our collective mindset with my information.

[stark]

L-3 keep it up.

[stark]

unvote

Simulpost = L-1

[stark]

I have reason to believe Tubby is a cult leader

[stark]

Someone unvote, I don't want him quicklynched yet.

[stark]

@Milkshake

Yeah, I realized I messed the thing up a bit after I posed

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Before I claim, I need to know if anyone has drugs.

[stark]

Before I claim, I need to know if anyone has drugs.

No drugs here. You plan on waiting for everyone in the game to answer this before you claim?

That's obv not realistic

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Vote Tubby216

for following me from game to game.

and cicero check agian you followed me here,,lol

vote:benmage

for not posting

No. You are just such a good stalker you can anticipate my movements.

actually i thought i would be able to hide out here. apartantly you are a good seeker

I'm about 80% that this is not tubby breadcrumbing, or atleast not for what he claimed to be. I think this is him trying to find me.

I am The Seeker = Cult-Cop

The converters are not responsible for the death of the giver.

I also have reason to believe that this is true. In my PM, it says that in my research, I've found out about The Cult of the Goma, who tried to destroy the Goma a while ago. Now I believe that the Cult is back, and may be responsible for the death of the Giver.

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I've done iso reads of KK, dramonic and tubby. In all three, I've found tubby to be at odds with dramonic and KK, who both flipped Converter. With this in mind, as well as tubby's consistant non-town play, I believe that tubby is a member, if not the leader, of the Cult of the Goma.

Regarding the drugs-

I know that the cult brainwashes their victims. My power is to detect if someone's mind has been altered.

The use of a drug called Cava looks the same to me IE false positive upon investigation.

Atleast up to Night 2, Plum is not cult. The rest of my targets are dead.

[stark]

I've had a scumread on tubby for a long time, but I realized he could be a part of the cult today. After seeing the fantastic doctor protection available after last night, I felt that it was necessary to share what I know today, lest I die and it never gets out.

[stark]

Plum, you say, is not cult.

*1

So tubby is The Happy Hoppy Fuzzy Brainwashing Cult Bunny... maybe it's a false title a la scum godfather investigation innosence... or maybe it's real. Odd.

*2

Anyway:

Someone unvote, I don't want him quicklynched yet.

Do you want him lynched now? (Honestly I don't just because it would be so boring to wait through yet another four day night! )

*3

1) Plum is

probably

not cult. Up to N2 she wasn't. Past that I don't know.

2)My thoughts exactly

3) That, and also I think we need to discuss this as a town.

[stark]

To back myself up:

I am The Happy Hoppy Fuzzy Bunny
essentially

i have the power to entertain children they flock to me in droves

That doesn't sound like a cult leader at all.

[stark]

Cult leader is likely The Happy Hoppy Fuzzy Bunny

In my PM, it says that in my research, I've found out about

The Cult of the Goma

, who tried to destroy the Goma a while ago.

???

???????

So tubby is The Happy Hoppy Fuzzy Brainwashing Cult Bunny... maybe it's a false title a la scum godfather investigation innosence

[stark]

Tubby needs to die. His claim sounds more bunk with every passing night. He's claiming he hid behind a dead person for christ's sake. If he doesn't die when he hides behind someone, he's essentially UNK unless he gets behind a converter.

While stark's cult theory isn't as open as shut as an investigation, tubby's breadcrumb does look shady.

Night sucks, but lynching scum makes it tolerable. [/discussion]

Yeah, I feel that way too, but I also think that players who have missed this whole discussion should have a chance to input as well.

[stark]

If I need to take the time to explain why SB = bullet I will, later.

I have no drugs. Nor have I been exposed to any.

I agree. If I don't survive the night, I would really like for SB to be lynched in my honor.

[stark]

Should we just hammer now?

[stark]

Yeah, let's do it

Vote: Tubby

@MOD

- Do you think there's any way you can make the night a bit shorter?

[stark]

unvote

[stark]

21.) Kise-

Sanity...curing... thing..

w.t.f Kise claimed the samething???Or hinted at it...where link?

stark you forgot to list SP's RBing ability.

Stark state who you've tried the other nights other than plum even tho they're dead.

Did noone get mod msgs about votes? Should we try testing our votes out?

Here's a test:

vote battle mage

shouldn't jump the tubby gun without everyone weighing in...by the looks of starks list, maybe a mass claim will be worth it...if not by today, than yes tomorrow.

Yeah, I said earlier that I messed the list up. You can amend it if you want

Results:

Night 1: Kscope- "no result"
Night 2: Plum- "no result"
Night 3: Papa Zito- I didn't receive a PM. Mod clarified that this was because PZ died before my investigation was processed.

[stark]

scramble scramble scramble i cant punctuate scramble scramble scramble

fixed

[stark]

Are we sure we want to do a massclaim at this point? I don't know if we really need it so much...

But if we do:

1.) tubby216- Hider Happy rabbit man (sure)
2.) Vaya - Namecop with Plum
3.) Battle Mage -
6.) VP Baltar -
7.) SpyreX - Alchemist potion person
9.) milkshake - Sanity...curing... thing..
10.) Snow_Bunny - Beggar Miller
12.) Benmage
13.) SocioPath - Causer of Weep RB
16.) Sajin - The Unknown
17.) LlamaFluff
18.) chamber- Weatherman
20.) Plum- Namecop with Vaya
21.) Kise-
23.) Elmo- Doublevoter
24.) stark - The Seeker Cult Cop

That means that BM, bm, VP, Llama and Kise have yet to claim.

[stark]

i think enough roles are out in the open now that you should simply hammer me and watch me swing from the gallows, then you will turn on VP and stark,

I'm sorry, I can't read that. Your throne of lies is in the way.

[stark]

Has Plum/Vaya claimed their result yet?

Stark's claim is likely bs. If you felt Tubby was breadcrumbing very early on that he was looking for you, why would you not target him before now?

Finally, there is no merit to me claiming atm. Although, in fairness, i've yet to see a good reason given for ANYBODY to claim now.

BM

1. For PlumVaya to share their result before a massclaim is stupid. There is no good reason for that. +5 Scumpoints

2. Have you read the game? I have had it out for tubby for a long long time. +12 Scumpoints

3. With the introduction of a cult into the town's scum-o-dometer, we need to take full diagnostic of our pool. Massclaim is how you do it.


You should start thinking of a fakeclaim. Maybe you can be the Pleased Pulsating Pelican?

[stark]

Has Plum/Vaya claimed their result yet?

Stark's claim is likely bs. If you felt Tubby was breadcrumbing very early on that he was looking for you, why would you not target him before now?

Finally, there is no merit to me claiming atm. Although, in fairness, i've yet to see a good reason given for ANYBODY to claim now.

BM

Oh, yeah, good chainsaw. That was a nice one.

[stark]

I have no drugs that I know of. (and I would like to point out that when I was being pressured yesterday, stark was asking if I had "anything else" that I was leaving out of my role. I assume this is what he meant, now)

Yes.


Regarding the drugs: If Cava is in the hands of a pro-town player, I'm just asking that its proliferation be discontinued, as it can produce a false-positive in my investigations.

Also:

I would really really really like protection tonight. I will cry if I get strangled/hanged

[stark]

That's a good point.

Can we have BM claim, lynch Tubby, and go to bed?

I am about 97% sure that he is alligned with tubby. Who is cult.

[stark]

I'm pretty sure he meant the protection.

Also, the drugs is why I asked you not to use the white powder

[stark]

Or you clearly don't understand how a hider works and you thought you could get away with hiding behind a dead person so you didn't have to "confirm" any more innocents (or out your buddies by claiming you hid with them).

really i chose PZ because he was most likely that he was not a convert. How is it my fault for picking a guy who was gonna die? now you think i am clairvoyant as well as cult? interesting

I think that while tubby's claim is obviously a lie, he's not lying in the above post simply because he's not aligned with the converters. He's cult.

[stark]

I believe stark (I assumed that was what the white powder statement was about).

I, again, am vehemently saying that we need the massclaim today and need to work this out. Our cop claimed. Then died. We do NOT have protective roles. We have 5 of 16 players not claimed.

Further, since I believe stark we're at day 4 with a cult. This needs to be parsed out and lynched (I'm a little weary of the fact that looking at our high profile deaths none of them were culted)

As cult, ideally you want recruits that are playing under the radar, right?

Also, SpyreX, can you give more than one potion a night?

Is there one in your arsenal that looks especially protective?

[stark]

I forgot to mention as well that as a part of my ability, I am immune to brainwashing/the effect of Cava.

[stark]

You COULD have left that part quiet you know.

That's a good point. I probably should have. But we're lynching the cult leader today anyways, so we shouldn't have to worry about further recruits.

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@ All the Converters

I propose a truce. The cult is as much of a problem to us as it is to you. You're down two members, so a cult is the last thing you want to deal with. The town won't pursue the Converters for as long as we're dealing with the Cult.

If dramonic was telling the truth about the Converters being non-violent ergo not responsible for the death of the Giver, then we're on the same side.

I should also mention that my investigations will only produce results for members of the Cult. If I investigate a converter, it's going to show up the same as a member of the town.

Therefore there's no point in killing me. It looks like PZ was the only one who could successfully investigate you.

Instead of killing me, I would propose that you kill off suspected members of the cult. They're our common enemy.

[stark]

Wow. I am impressed. A 5x multipost chainsaw assault to save your leader. You go girl. Pulling out all the stops.

Plum/Vaya can either confirm or deny the "Causer of Weep" claim. That's the FIRST THING we needed to do today

This is not correct. Dealing with a cult is always priority. Always. Unfailingly.

Lol, have you investigated him, and found him to be cult? Because i dont think you claimed you had. And assuming you havent, my question is, why not, given you are a Cult-Cop, and have felt he was cop for 3(?) nights now?

I suspected him as a converter before. It wasn't until recently that I put the pieces together and pegged him as cult.

Lol, ok, once you hang, we'll look at the possibility of a cult. In the meantime, i think you're just rolefishing.

Yeah, I'm rolefishing a game where more than half the players are already claimed. Good job.

I'm also not the first person to ask for a roleclaim, but suddenly, I guess I'm the champion of the roleclaim cause. Convenient

I've seen how you roll, and i think there's a good shot you're scum here.

I've seen you too, BM. This is what you look like as scum. This is not how I look as scum.

Lmao. Gogo Hollywood!

The enemy of my enemy is obv obv my temporary friend.

Lovely. You expect us to believe Dramonic...why?

Good one. Let me get my own quote for a second.

If dramonic was telling the truth about the Converters being non-violent ergo not responsible for the death of the Giver, then we're on the same side.

I'm pretty sure that that statement was addressed to the Converters. Not the town. I believe what dramonic said. I'm not saying anyone else should.

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I hope that you all noticed how BM jumped out of

NOWHERE

to vehemently defend tubby after he's accused of being cult leader. I think that in itself is the most telling aspect to this case.

Tubby is dying today. That's not up for debate.

If the converters would be so kind as to kill BM tonight, I would be much obliged. He's super obv obv recruit.

Let's do the massclaim.

[stark]

omfg plz lynch me now so stark will shut up.

if he lives wich he won't he'll be all like " well at least tubby was so useless to this game. I need to start policy lynching that guy on site"

just put me out of my misery

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I made a mistake.

I really believe I'm right though.

vote:Tubby

Vaya/Plum- Are you two good for tonight?

BM should claim now.

[stark]

This assumes you are telling the truth.

Yes. Because I am.

You also haven't made it clear why you don't believe my claim. Could you do me that favor?

If you did a reread, have u got notes to back it up? Note that this does not tie in with your answer to me in a previous post.

No. I don't take notes. You can look through my games. I never take notes.
Which previous post?

just be up front about it

The only role I want to find is the one that has the Cava. Once I do, I will tell them to stop. Beyond that, I don't care.

somebody told me that you're pretty useless as town.

Oh, ok then.

So actual participation is your scum meta.

.....

Were you in Mafia 92? I'm pretty sure you experienced how I behave as scum there first hand. Because we were partners. There was exactly 0 participation on my part in that game as scum.

Oh, also, BM iso post 38 says:

Stark doesnt seem anywhere near as scummy here as i've seen him elsewhere.

Hmmm.... Where have you seen me elsewhere....

Appeal to Authority.

BM. Your posts this game have fallen into one of two categories. They have been either snappy 1-liners, or you promising to catch up. That in itself does not bother me. I'm fine with that. What bothers me is that the minute that tubby, a player with whom you have had little to no interaction with the whole game, is implicated as a possible cult leader, you explode with sophist venom. You look like a textbook recruit trying to save his leader. Appeal to Authority or not, this is my observation.

Right. Well, before he does, mr Cult Cop, sir, can you please explain why Tubby tried to "recruit" Papa Zito last night?

PZ claimed cop. I am a cop. I had no desire to counterclaim, obv obv, even though having 3.5 investigative roles is a bit strange.

I wanted to make sure that if PZ survived the night, (which I was assuming he was going to, because I would assume he would be no.1 candidate for protection) that he was town as far as I could prove.

[stark]

stark is town because he's always uber-scummy and always trips on his own shoelaces. The best we can hope for is for him to become rabid at random people until he hits scum, and they feel they need to NK him to shut him up. Also, he's a pretty easy day 1 scum-driven wagon. I'm very wary of this.

DGB and Stark feel town, although

i disagree with the former's meta on the latter. Stark doesnt seem anywhere near as scummy here as i've seen him elsewhere.

DGB-scum is normally fairly easy to spot. Currently, she seems to be playing the game.

BM

That was just so beautiful I had to post it in its entirety

[stark]

ok so vp and stark,

How many converters do you think are left?

I would imagine 2-4

how many cultist do you believe are out there.

Three nights = maximum of 3 cultists

is there only one recruiter for the cult?

As far as I know, the cult leader is the only one who recruits players

How odd is it out of all of the deaths none has reviled a cult?

Because the cult is still very small having had at most 3 opportunities to recruit

Is there an sk or is the cult responsible for the other kills?

At this point I have no idea who's doing the killing.

[stark]

BM, bm, VP, Llama and Kise have yet to claim.

Let's hear it.

[stark]

BM, bm, VP, Llama and Kise have yet to claim.

Let's hear it.

SLIGHTLY UNPLEASANT WEATHER!!!

DEATH AT THE HANDS OF THE ALLIANCE


Additionally, the alliance extends to all other parties that are not the Cult of the Goma. No one wants to deal with a Cult. Together we shall triumph!

Sincerely,

Supreme Alliance Commander, Paragon Diplomat, and Right Hand of Justice,

The Seeker

[stark]

No lynch is happening until claims are all in.

unvote

First thing thereafter is tubbylynch

[stark]

Or you can go. That's also an idea.

[stark]

I'm just waiting to vote tubby until we're done with today's "festivities."

but i want to see those who havent voted yet to see if we can pin down what happened to the votes...

just do a test vote on a nonissue person.

It is with great pleasure that I present Benmage with the "Award for Most Useful Contributor"!

Among other things, Benmage was awarded this prestigious honor for his devotion to

testing a non-issue on a non-issue person

.

Well done, Benmage. You've earned it.

For the rest of you, better luck next year.

Once you're done celebrating your victory, maybe you can claim?

[stark]

Yeah, you know what's funny?

If everyone has claimed, then we're more likely to figure out where the voting discrepancy is coming from.

You are devoting your energy to polishing one hub-cap on a broke-ass car. I'm trying to fix it.

You can claim now.

[stark]

^seriously how do you even function in day to day life with thinking like that

if i were a recruiter i would have evidence of the drug on me. Since according to stark I use this drug to convert people.

however the point is he supposedly suspected me from day 1 but never bothered to investigate me. Let alone get a null result on me.

It says in my pm that I can detect altered minds. I don't think a CL's mind is going to be altered in the same way a recruits would be.

[stark]

also, you claim that you investigation last nite was on PZ,
PZ claimed cop who caught scum, ie, dram

why would you even target PZ??

This is actually a reasonable question. I'm interested to hear the answer.

@ Kise-So you can't post anything other than your killer's vote, correct? So, you get told who killed you?

PZ claimed cop. I am a cop. I had no desire to counterclaim, obv obv, even though having 3.5 investigative roles is a bit strange.

I wanted to make sure that if PZ survived the night, (which I was assuming he was going to, because I would assume he would be no.1 candidate for protection) that he was town as far as I could prove.

vote:tubby

[stark]

I was going to post last night, but I was really tired, so I'm posting this now. This is going to be tldr, so I apologize in advance.

You can criticize my investigation choices all you want, but to be honest, the dubious nature of the investigations threw me for a loop in this game.

On the one hand, I can apparently get a false positive. If a player is under the influence of Cava, they produce the same result as if they were part of the Cult.

On the other hand, I can get a false negative, as Converters/other 3rd parties won't give me a guilty. Only the Cult will.

With that in mind, my investigation results have been pretty worthless.

While my actual power may not be super helpful, the other aspect to my role is the knowledge I was given.

That

the Cult exists, and

that

I believe them to be responsible for the death of the Giver.

I believe tubby to be the leader of this Cult. No, I don't have any guilties. I don't have hard evidence. There just seem to be a lot of co-incidences, which I'll list below:

- For the vast majority of the game, things seemed pretty clear-cut. It was the Council vs. the Converters. Simple. With this mindset, I didn't know where my information fit in. Maybe not at all. That's until dramonic claimed converter, and also asserted that the Converters were not responsible for the death of the Giver. A strange thing for scum to say, no? This was the first thing that validated my belief that the cult actually did exist.

-Tubby. Several things have struck me about tubby.

1. The breadcrumb post towards the start of the game. To have my rolename awkwardly dropped set off a few bells. Could it be possible that tubby was aware that someone was looking for him?

2. Tubby's awkward claim Part 1: His ridiculous rolename. Everyone else seems to be a human. Tubby is an anthropomorphic rabbit? I don't think that tubby is lying about his name. I just think it's too weird to be town.

3. Tubby's awkward claim Part 2: Kinda-Pseudo Hider? Enough has been said about his claim, so I won't go on.

3. Tubby's awkward claim Part 3: [quote="tubby']essentially i have the power to entertian children they flock to me in droves[/quote]. The above is the flavor part of tubby's dubious claim. I think that part is certainly true. It also sounds very culty.

4. BM's defence of Tubby- Up to today, BM has had very little interaction with both Tubby and myself. Then suddenly, after I claim and accuse tubby, I'm on the receiving end of a massive assault by BM.

For the above reasons, I believe that Tubby and BM are cult buddies.
I also believe it is some sort of Mentor role as mentioned above.

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By no means do I have hard evidence backing up my position. If at the end of the day I'm wrong, that's a mistake I hope the town will forgive me for.

I don't know how much help I can be in finding the Cult with my investigations. What I do know is that I've done my job. I've made the town aware of the existance of the cult.

If I die tonight, I'm ok with that, because now the town is informed of this threat.

[stark]

Well, if no one has any insanity problems, then it really doesn't matter if I'm lynched now does it?

Does your PM say specifically that you cure people who are insane?

Could it be that you cure people whose

minds are altered

?

[stark]

Hey, did you see above?

Elmo has half a vote.

[stark]

Couldn't you have just told Elmo to vote, though?

[stark]

1.) tubby216- Hider Happy rabbit man (sure)
2.) Vaya - Namecop with Plum
3.) Battle Mage -
6.) VP Baltar - Cloth Master
7.) SpyreX - Alchemist potion person
9.) milkshake - Sanity...curing... thing..
10.) Snow_Bunny - Beggar Miller
12.) Benmage - Boilmaker Votebreaker
13.) SocioPath - Causer of Weep RB
16.) Sajin - The Unknown
17.) LlamaFluff
18.) chamber- Weatherman
20.) Plum- Namecop with Vaya
21.) Kise- Ghost
23.) Elmo- Unnamed Doublevoter
24.) stark - The Seeker Cult Cop

[stark]

Alright, once we hear BM's AMAZING fakeclaim, we're done!

[stark]

unvote, vote tubby

screw this, stark is a lying fool lynch him next

btw i could not possibly make up a claim this bad

Dear Tubby,

If you flip not cult or otherwise, I apologize in advance to both you and the town.

I'm trying to make sense of one of the most difficult roles I've had. With you, the pieces are just fitting together.

Best of luck in the future!

XOXO,

Stark

[stark]

Oh, also:


@

Members of the Glorious Alliance

[/i], Converters, SKs and other third parties alike:

As I see it, our purposes would be best served if you would point your kill tonight in the direction of Battlemage. By my estimation, he is the most likely player to be a member of the Cult of the Goma.

Once the Cult has been eradicated, we may continue our affairs.

Sincerely

Alliance Commander, Paragon Diplomat and Right Hand of Justice,

The Seeker

[stark]

If anyone wants to do the honors, it would be greatly appreciated

Also

@Plumvaya: You don't have to claim your results, but does everything from today check out?

[stark]

Spyrex: BM isn't going to claim today.

He's realized that today's lynch is tubby, so there's nothing the town can do to threaten him into claiming.

[stark]

Spyrex: BM isn't going to claim today.

He's realized that today's lynch is tubby, so there's nothing the town can do to threaten him into claiming.

What he didn't realize is that the Alliance is obviously going to terminate him tonight.

[stark]

Vote battle mage to force a claim..if he doesnt hes noobmageermorethanifirstthought....and he hangs. If not anyone from SpyreX last list works as I think they are alll scum.

I understand what you're saying.

The problem is that

if

(and I know it's if) I'm right, and BM is tubby's recruit, if we kill BM, tubby can just recruit another player tonight, thus not solving our cult problem at all.

If we lynch tubby today, under the assumption that, like a normal cult, recruiting powers are restricted to the leader, the cult can no longer recruit. At MOST they have 3 members. From there it's just cleanup.

[stark]

Vote battle mage to force a claim..if he doesnt hes noobmageermorethanifirstthought....and he hangs. If not anyone from SpyreX last list works as I think they are alll scum.

I understand what you're saying.

The problem is that

if

(and I know it's if) I'm right, and BM is tubby's recruit, if we kill BM, tubby can just recruit another player tonight, thus not solving our cult problem at all.

If we lynch tubby today, under the assumption that, like a normal cult, recruiting powers are restricted to the leader, the cult can no longer recruit. At MOST they have 3 members. From there it's just cleanup.

You haven't demonstrated how you believe this guy to be cult...

If you're interested:

Do an iso on BM.

Contrast his prior activity to both of his massive 5x multipost chainsaw defenses of tubby.

[stark]

If we're going to wagon BM up, has he been prodded?


@bm: BM hasn't defended anyone like that this whole game. When tubby was wagoned before, BM didn't lift a finger, but when accused of being cult, BM jumped to his defense.

[stark]

If we're going to wagon BM up, has he been prodded?


@bm: BM hasn't defended anyone like that this whole game. When tubby was wagoned before, BM didn't lift a finger, but when accused of being cult, BM jumped to his defense.

So he wouldn't defend him for being lynched...but when hes being lynched under the pretext of being a cult Battle defend him...yah that makes 0 sense

Not even if BM was recruited in the time between wagon #1 and wagon #2?

[stark]

yes

[stark]

If anyone wants to do the honors, it would be greatly appreciated

Also

@Plumvaya: You don't have to claim your results, but does everything from today check out?

Mr mass-claim? Were you not in favour of the twins claiming earlier?

This is pointless. The case is there. Whether i'm alive or not tomorrow, do me a favour and run Stark up please? Kthxbai.

BM

Go for it. If I was wrong, I was wrong. I'll live (or rather not) with that. I've done my job as far as I could, and I've told the town what I know about the Cult. Whether it exists or not, I don't know, but the most basic of my work here is done.

[stark]

See above post.

[stark]

Alright, I'm here.

Last night, I investigated BM, and received "No Result".

That being said, I would be more than happy to lynch him.


Also, I would like to be tested for insanity if it's possible. But I think given the flavor of the last few lynch scenes, Elmo is priority.

After Sajin checks in, I'm going to vote BM.

[stark]

I did it before, but I can do it again:

Night 1- Kscope: No result
Night 2- DGB: No result
Night 3- Plum: No result
Night 4- Battlemage: No result

[stark]

I'd like to hear Stark's thoughts on whether or not this alleged cult exists or if his role is just one big ruse by the mod.

I'm starting to feel a bit rused. It's very frustrating.

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Things I want to see:

Who Vaya investigated/did it work
Who was blocked last night
The effects of the potion on Chamber

I investigated Sajin last night (simply on the weirdness value of his role) and got no result (surprise)

[stark]

...Actually, I'm starting to totally wonder about stark and thinking milk was designed to make the SK (or the Influencer if you will) not crazy.

Thoughts?

Explain?

[stark]

The dance?

Proceede

[stark]

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