The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[Papa Zito]

Oh Jesus H Christ what have I gotten myself into.

[Papa Zito]

Okay, read the thread but I'll really need to read it again. lolbomb

vote: DGB

based off of first impressions.

BTW, not understanding the sudden KMD wagon. Do we have daytalking scum?

[Papa Zito]

OMG Cay.

OMG text.

unvote: DGB
vote: alvins95

This is the good wagon.

[Papa Zito]

unvote: DGB
vote: alvins95

This is the good wagon.

He's being replaced hopefully. You have anything else to say? Have you read the game yet?[/quote]
ORLY? Last thing I saw from the mod was that he'd picked up his prod today. Why would you assume this?

And yeah I've read the game.

[Papa Zito]

quote fail

[Papa Zito]

ORLY? Last thing I saw from the mod was that he'd picked up his prod today. Why would you assume this?

And yeah I've read the game.

Ah, true enough. I guess that is unfortunate for us.

Anyhow, since you've read the game, is there anything else you think is worth commenting on?

I don't like that DGB has disappeared. That's unlike her; I think she's intentionally lurking.

Several people have called Snow Bunny (lol) obvtown and I don't see it. There's a large contradiction in her general play (newbish) and her decision to claim millar early day 1 (vet). I think she's being coached.

Rosso needs to be vigged. Also now I know where Zwet copied his hammer policy from.

Tajo's really quiet and seems willing to follow wagons instead of lead them. Both are very un-Tajo-like and make me uncomfortable.

That's about all I've pulled so far. I need to reread the game.

[Papa Zito]

One of these 4 players is scum:
tubby216, Kublai Khan, alvins95, crywolf20084

y halo thar DGB

I'd like to hear your reasoning on tubby and Cay plz.

[Papa Zito]

Do you think KK is scum PZ?

I'm leaning that direction. Too bandwagon-hoppy, too Snow_Bunny-tunnelly for my taste.

Who put the brakes on this game?

[Papa Zito]

Stark-why did you ask Kmd to claim at L-3?

Kmd-why did you claim so readily at L-3?

These are excellent questions.

[Papa Zito]

Yeah, I'm not sure why someone would kill themselves because they didn't like your music.

What determines if they like it or not?

[Papa Zito]

Zito, they obviously kill themselves to make it stop.

?

[Papa Zito]

Vaya, why did you unvote in your most recent post?

I was unvoting stark because I'm probably going to switch my vote to kmd.

In fact,

Vote: Kmd

, especially because I agree with Spy's suggestion.

Oh wow this is terribad.

unvote: alvins95
vote: Vaya

[Papa Zito]

Oh, and Zito? I don't get your pic..

Sorry, it's a Final Fantasy reference. The bard guy attacks enemies with music. He's also one of the crappiest characters ever. The "spoony bard" thing is one of those hilarious Japanese translation artifacts.

[Papa Zito]

To be fair, Plum, my PM doesn't mention that I was in some specific place when The Giver was killed either.

[Papa Zito]

To be fair, Plum, my PM doesn't mention that I was in some specific place when The Giver was killed either.

Clarify please: No Giver-related goodness at all? Very well, I suppose; my hypothesis might well be wrong. But it doesn't lessen Kmd's scumminess a whit (he's just not going further up that ladder.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Giver-related goodness" exactly. My reaction to the death is in there, but a specific place/time/activity isn't mentioned.

[Papa Zito]

Interesting theory...mine does and in -er...I also have "giver" text.

The same. Excellent catch, milkshake.

KMD?

[Papa Zito]

I can see that I'm today's lynch. Fine by me considering there are probably roles much more powerful than mine.

Much more powerful than your JK/Vig combo? lolwut?

Okay then.

unvote: Vaya
vote: Kmd4390

This game is a target-rich environment.

[Papa Zito]

All of my scumhunting has been genuine and will continue to be if I'm still alive. I just need a certain lynch to happen and if it does, I'm gone without you guys having to use a lynch to kill me. I can almost guarantee that I can bag the SK too based on something in my Role PM.

Lets here this SK tale tall...

ITP: Benmage is worried.

[Papa Zito]

Hooooly crap posting frenzy ITT.

Hammer KMD plz. Worst possible scenario is we lynch a 3rd party. You can't ask for much better than that day 1.

[Papa Zito]

Uh, SpyreX, what the hell man?

[Papa Zito]

I don't even know where to begin.

Start at the part where you died, but not.

[Papa Zito]

My 3 main suspects that are still alive, were all on the wagon yesterday, so i doubt they are Mafia.

wat

[Papa Zito]

Guys, it explicitly said rats.

He resembles nothing but a hunk of meat and bone that looks like it has been feasted upon by hundreds of tiny little mouths. Several dead rats lay next to him. Apparently he put up a fight before being overwhelmed and consumed.

Can we move on from this please?

[Papa Zito]

Also

vote: Scope

[Papa Zito]

Why would that be again?

Read him in iso and tell me what you think.

[Papa Zito]

Tubby.

Nothing has changed there. The unexplained shift in stance on millers, whos claim is increasingly validated by KK flip, the shrug it off when asked for an explaination, the continual tunnel on SB for the majority of the day...

Response plox.

[Papa Zito]

Hey I have an idea.

Instead of tiptoeing around this and wasting time, let's just discuss what actually happened if it's at all relevant to catching scum.

[Papa Zito]

Something tells me that Spyrex can't be killed this phase anyway. Experiment if you all want, but I think it's more interesting to believe he did try to kill SB and it somehow backfired. Not worth voting either of them, but an interesting note to remember down the line.

Lawl. Sup hydra.

I think the real question should be: What about a miller would cause something like that to backfire?

Also scope needs moar votes.

[Papa Zito]

I'm a little iffy on Spyrex's claim, honestly. For one, he doesn't have the -er, which thus far (1 3rd party, 1 scum, 3 town flips) has proven a good way to judge claims. Second, as milkshake said, the potions thing doesn't really jive with the theme; we're supposed to be born with our powers, not have to fabricate them. I can easily see a scenario where Spyrexscum trying to make a kill, having it backfire, and then scrambling to come up with a reason why.

On the other hand, there was nothing in Snow_Bunny's claim that would make me think she has some sort of protection on her, so I'm wondering how the thing could have backfired in the first place. So I'm with you DGB about waiting for Snow_Bunny's side of things.

[Papa Zito]

SpyreX, no one is concerned that your role doesn't end in -er.

I am. Until I see this theory disproven (and my role follows this pattern as well) then I'm going to assume it's true.

Two, SB is lying and can reflect actions against her.

I'm thinking this might be the one. Either SB has something inherent that reflects attacks

or

one of her buddies put that on her, knowing that a townie vig would try to off the claimed miller at night.

Either way, her silence is deafening.

Also, I think the crank on my wagon is broked.

[Papa Zito]

Yeah, you seem to be acting really vague on purpose. No bueno.

[Papa Zito]

I am The Alchemist. I make potions but don't know what I make but yet people still want them.

There's a war on but I don't care

- I have a new set of potions and want to find out what they do.

y halo thar 3rd party.

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Also, this doesn't make sense from a town perspective:

SpyreX: Here Snow Bunny, have a free power.
SB: Thanks! *vote SpyreX*

So what we have here is a 3rd party vs. scum. This is fantastic.

unvote: scope
vote: Snow Bunny

[Papa Zito]

3rd parties can wait.

Let's please lynch Scum Bunny.

[Papa Zito]

SC: I don't know. But for that reason I can't assure that it was him who gave me my new ability.

That's funny. I would've sworn I saw you wielding Occam's Razor a minute ago.

[Papa Zito]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]

Unvote
Vote: snow_bunny

wagon rawr[/quote]

Dear Vigs/Bombs/Sks/Whatever

Please take care of this. TIA.

[Papa Zito]

You disagree with my reasoning, DGB?

[Papa Zito]

I'm not sure I get the reasoning, but from my vantage point, scum is scum. Know what I mean?

Truescum (patent pending) are inherently more dangerous than 3rd parties. So if I get to choose, which I think I do in the SpyreX/Bunny tandem, I'll go with truescum (patent pending) every time.

[1]Only scum care about the alleged machinations of putative third parties. [2]Also, scum is in the very best position to recognize the existence of a third party, being themselves a "second" party.

1. ? Why wouldn't town care? E.g.: SKs
2. ??? Truescum (patent pending) can't tell the difference between town and 3rd party.

Why don't you explain the reasoning more fully, PZ?

Okie dokie.

1. The townies we've flipped, and the townies who've claimed, all have inherent powers, which matches the theme of the game - being born near the Dark Goma grants powers. SpyreX looks like he was born outside the city walls and has to manufacture powers through these potions.
2. SpyreX's role PM lacks the Type line that the sample townie PM and my PM have.
3. SpyreX's role PM lacks any mention of the Giver.
4. SpyreX has claimed that his role doesn't care about the Giver/War at all.
5. SpyreX's claimed role name lacks the -xr ending. Again, I'm giving credence to this theory until I see something that contradicts it.

These things add up to 3rd party (prolly survivor) to me.

Now, then, to Snow_Bunny.

1. Snow_Bunny claims miller Day 1. This is a veteran move but Snow_Bunny is no veteran.
2. Snow_Bunny requests cops to investigate her to "test their sanity."
3. SpyreX attempted to target her and became Born Again SpyreX. I think SB set a trap.
4. Snow_Bunny claims to have received a 1-shot cop ability but refuses to acknowledge that it came from SpyreX.
5. Further, she votes him.
6. Her scumhunting has been of the incredibly nit-picky active lurking variety. The vast majority of her posts just answer questions.

The reason I think she's more scum than 3rd-party is point 1. I think she was coached to claim miller.

[Papa Zito]

I am still not voting SB because I think it is a bad wagon. I 100 percent think she needs to spill that ability asap though.

Ok, you want me to claim, I have a one-shot cop ability. There, happy? It was not the point of hiding the ability, but the eagerness of some of you to make me claim.

Is not paying attention a scumtell?

If it's a bad wagon does that mean you think SB is town?

If you think SB is town why do you need to know the ability?

Inquiring minds want to know!

[Papa Zito]

So what do you think about the players that were eager to agree with your third party theory?

I like when people agree with me.

It'll depend on the flip really.

scope hasnt fallen off the radar, even if his post count is low.

True. For him I highlighted his post count. Its absurd, and if you do a quick iso you can see how useless of a player hes been.

NOBODY WOULD JOIN MY SCOPE WAGON.

[Papa Zito]

Cuz he wasn't the lych for the day PZ.

WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

There's still time!

And, what are your great plans when I flip up town? Hunt for Spy?

Ugh ugh ugh. The whole "innocent blood" business.

We examine the very informative wagon and move on.

Papa Zito is absolutely town, by the way.

Yar.

Did SB ever reveal what the oneshot ability gained was?

Arg.

Ok, you want me to claim, I have a one-shot cop ability. There, happy? It was not the point of hiding the ability, but the eagerness of some of you to make me claim.

[Papa Zito]

Yeah, I'm not really sure where the confusion lies.

3rd party SpyreX might want to hit Snow_Bunny for just the reason he gave: "It's the protown thing to do, lulz"

Scum SpyreX might target her because some people declared her obvtown.

I agree that our wheels seem to be spinning a bit. Someone do something scummy.

[Papa Zito]

A DGB wagon sounds good.

Do you think DGB is scum? Why?

[Papa Zito]

HAI GUYZ

BAD NEWS

A group called The Converters (named after its leader) was formed and became the biggest threat to Surico and The Council.

So the leader is The Converter.

Convert

er

.

No more -xr=town theory.

Further, with this many power roles I think the chances are slim that we do NOT have a watcher-type role. Thus, I would propose: SC touches Zito. Watcher watches SC. Doc protects Zito. If anyone is seen going to SC they are scum and die. If Zito doesn't give SC an ability he is scum and dies.

Dude. Don't touch me there.

Also, I don't want to lose my power kthx.

My reads from scummiest to townest:

dramonic
Papa Zito

lolwut? Go read the game again.

So did I read earlier that a Scope wagon could happen? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

[Papa Zito]

You don't lose your power. Night that I touch you it goes through, the next night I steal it then you get it back after that.

Sort of like a delayed blocker, I guess.

Eh. That's not so bad I guess.

Here's something weird tho.

If Zito doesn't give SC an ability he is scum and dies.

So then...

I touched Spyrex and was informed I didn't receive an ability.

???

[Papa Zito]

I think Spyrex was saying

1) If Papa has an -er role he must have an active role
2) Clergy can steal active roles
3) If Clergy doesn't steal a role when touching Papa, Papa must be lying about his role.

The assumption at number 1) seems to be incorrect according to chamber, so the possibility doesn't seem to work.

Oooh, okay, that makes sense.

I can confirm that I have an active role if that helps.

[Papa Zito]

I'm starting to think that all people that strongly debate against the -xr theory is because they are afraid that will blow away their cover. Being 3rd party or scum, I really believe it's a good hint. Probably not enough to warrant a lynch, but it adds to a case.

I'd also like to know the reasons behind Chamber's list.

Oh, and yes, I believe DGB is scummy. I stated my reasons before. However, I'm starting to seeing Ben as really erratic.

Holy crap. I don't think you could possibly play the follower more.

Passive ability? Passive like "anyone who targets you will get turned into a freaky zombie"?

[Papa Zito]

We need another bomb.

[Papa Zito]

@Mod: Did alvinz95 pick up his prod?

[Papa Zito]

@Mod: Did alvinz95 pick up his prod?

He was replaced I believe by chamber.

Woops, so he was. I didn't look back far enough.

[Papa Zito]

Guys guys.

We're too fragmented.

What happened to the fantastic Bunny wagon?

[Papa Zito]

unvote, vote: chamber

Gah. Yes DGB he's obvscum, but can't he wait until tomorrow? Derailing the BunnyWagon even more is

[Papa Zito]

Well see, I'm third party and need to get dramonic, Papa Zito, milkshake, Sajin and SerialClergyman killed to win. Everyone else was just random.org'ed

Unvote
Vote: Chamber

I don't like third-parties. Especially not those that want to kill me.

Oh FFS.

I'm with SpyreX. This game.

[Papa Zito]

Now, I know you are going to say we can only take her word on that, but it is very simple to confirm whether or not she was telling the truth: we lynch her or vig her after she reveals the investigation. If she flips what she says she is, it's likely she was telling the truth. If she flips scum, then all the better and we can assess her "investigation" from there.

I like this plan, except for the part where she's roleblocked (if actually town).

[Papa Zito]

Let's lynch Rosso

Vote: Rosso Carne

GAH

If we're going to lynch someone outside the SpyreX/SnowBunny fiesta, let it be scope. Let it be, let it be, let it be.

Bicker bicker.

Bicker?

Bicker!

Bicker bicker bicker.

This post makes me giggle every time I read it.

[Papa Zito]

What does that mean if the running theory is that SB was coached by a more experienced scumpartner into claiming miller D1?

What does it mean that the attacks weren't picked up on until today? Distancing dear stark, distancing.

[Papa Zito]

Are you saying that KK was trying to bus his partner D1?

Entirely possible. When looking at voting trends D1 wagons tend to carry the most weight, mainly because they hold the most flips. Being early on a scum wagon can really help you ride to endgame.

[Papa Zito]

Isn't it a great way to hedge your bet? Either SB lives and gets to spring her trap or SB gets lynched but KK can use his place on the wagon as defense against anything.

[Papa Zito]

w/e I'm getting more attention than I wanted from this so I'll just go ahead and claim now. I'm the flurry. My ability is to control the weather. Unless someone wants to come forward as having being effected by the snow all this appears to do is prove what I've done in the night (look at the flurries present in the thread name and the morning scene). My options are snow, rain, cloudy, and sunny. Assuming no one comes forward as having been effected by the snow I'll follow the towns direction on which weather to use which night. And as I previously stated this is described as a passive ability.

wat

I'm really, really irritated that people just... what, lost interest? and tore down a perfectly good wagon. *shakes fist*

unvote

Baltar, scumlist plz.

[Papa Zito]

PZ- do you think SB is scum or not? If so, why the hell are you unvoting just because I took the wind out of your sails? Do you disagree with the logic I presented?

People I think need to be lynched in the immediate future:

Benmage
tubby
milkshake

That's all your getting from me for now.

There's no sense keeping my vote on a dead wagon. I need to figure out if I like any of the newer ones enough to place it there.

That's fine, thanks.

[Papa Zito]

Why is there no sense keeping your vote on a "dead" wagon if you think the person being wagoned is scum?

Because they won't get lynched?

People seem willing to lynch her tomorrow if she survives so I'll have to be happy with that. I've encouraged this wagon as much as I can but apparently it's not enough.

You're obviously trying to pin something on me here. WWVPD?

[Papa Zito]

As people are now bailing off like rats on a sinking ship, I want to catch those scum and make a nice rat stew for later.

So, you know, eww.

Personally, I don't think giving up on a wagon you believe in is a way to get scum lynched.

The difference tho is that nobody joined your wagon until now. I had a great wagon going and it fell apart. It'll be interesting to see what you do if your wagon falls apart too since this seems to be a really fickle town.

WWVPD?

What Would VP Do? obvobv

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Benmage, I think you should add lurking to your repertoire.

[Papa Zito]

How am i lurking?

You're not. I'm saying it might make a good hobby.

Ignore me I'm being snarky.

[Papa Zito]

SocioPath, why bother voting someone who the mod said would already be replaced?

Hey kids, I'm an idiot, remind me what the case is on Tubby kthx.

[Papa Zito]

HAI GUYZ WATS GOIN ON IN DIS THREAD

[Papa Zito]

Lynchin benmage up ins. Hop on

CHOO CHOO

vote: benmage

I'm having a hard time taking this seriously now.

[Papa Zito]

Is the benmage train mindless or serious? 0.o

I think it's a little bit of both.

[Papa Zito]

Hai guys.

Did you know RBers can be scum?

True story.

[Papa Zito]

[quote="DrippingGoofball"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]

Vote: tubby

[/quote]

OMG!!!

We caught ourselves a real scum! I'm sure players that have been following the game will see the light very quickly, as I have.

vote: KaleiÐoscøpe

[/quote]
Oh FFS. I've been trying to get people to kill scope all day.

DGB, stop trying to derail wagons kthx. Also, why would you jump on the same wagon as Benmage?

I mean, really. This game.

[Papa Zito]

I mean, really. This game.

Yeah, tell me about it.

No, really, tell me about this game.

Most fragmented town evar?

[Papa Zito]

Which fragments and over what issue(s), Commander Hayes?

You've already had two sentences, otherwise the try would have been epic.

This town gets distracted by every little shiny that comes along. It's maddening.

[Papa Zito]

I once knew a Serial Clergyman
Who wanted to out all his countrymen.
But no one would claim;
It would ruin the game,
since there's opportunistical scummymen.

That.... that... that was beautiful.

[Papa Zito]

Benmage, can we have a playerlist with comments from you plz?

[Papa Zito]

The Causer of "Weep?" Is that really supposed to be a role name?

I am The Happy Hoppy Fuzzy Bunny

Yeah.

[Papa Zito]

Plum-tubby scumteam?

[Papa Zito]

I still don't see why most people just overlook the fact that Plum may be scum. I mean, it could all be a good gambit. If the whole miller-claim was a gambit made by me, how come the same can't be applied to Plum and tubby, when it's more plausible?

...

I just said that.

I'm so sad your wagon got derailed.

[Papa Zito]

PZ, Sclergy why are either of you voting me?

Just trying to help a semi-plausible wagon along.

Honestly, I lost it after the happy bunny claim.

[Papa Zito]

PZ, Sclergy why are either of you voting me?

Just trying to help a semi-plausible wagon along.

Honestly, I lost it after the happy bunny claim.

Anything more concrete than semi-plausible...what makes it semi-plausible?

There was a case on you at some point back. After the ScumBunny wagon died ( ) it seemed the best place to go.

I wouldn't mind a Chamber lynch either. I'd prefer it to your own actually.

[Papa Zito]

There was a case on you at some point back. After the ScumBunny wagon died ( ) it seemed the best place to go.

I wouldn't mind a Chamber lynch either. I'd prefer it to your own actually.

State it then is what I'm asking geeeze....

Oh wait, I remember now. You voted DGB, and DGB isn't scum.

[Papa Zito]

The Benmage kid has no scumdar. Come on. Let's lynch chamber.

So, DGB.

If I follow you on this little adventure you have to promise me not to go happily bounding off onto the next shiny wagon. Not just promise, you have to

pinky swear

.

Yes?

[Papa Zito]

My pinky tells me the former claimants are pretty townish. So on account of probabilities alone, I'd prefer anyone else be lynched.

Pinky swear then.

Or scope?

For the love of God can we please lynch scope?

[Papa Zito]

Fantastic. Let's do this.

unvote: Benmage (REJOICE)
vote: K-scope

[Papa Zito]

ATTENTION PLAYERS OF DIS GAME

We are lynching scope now. No more screwing around, everyone on board. Anyone who doesn't help is scum. gogogo so we can get this game moving agian.

[Papa Zito]

Is VP Baltar not voting scope?

Baltar may be scum guise.

[Papa Zito]

Ohhai. Rereading last night was enlightening.

I need

everyone's

views on dramonic plz.

TIA

[Papa Zito]

Ty Kise + chamber

Snow_Bunny, I'll take your vote as your opinion.

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MOAR

[Papa Zito]

First, some housekeeping:

NPC, The Giver, Strangled Pre Game

"Strangle" = mafia kill

26.) populartajo, The Rodent Tamer, With the Council, Throat slit Night 1
15.) DrippingGoofball, The Cloner, With the Council, Throat slit Night 2
22.) vollkan, The Consumer, With the Council, Strangled Night 2

"Throat slit" = sk kill

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So the case on milkshake is that there was no extra kill while he was RBed but there was an extra kill while he was RBed, right?

There are various other possibilities here (doc protect, jailed, missed NK, etc) that could explain this. Why haven't these been considered?

One other thing. Dramonic, you're saying you jailed milk, and there was no mafia kill. My question to you - why didn't you jail him again to test your theory, and perhaps prevent another kill?

[Papa Zito]

What's tubby on about?

how the hell do you know that?

Deductive reasoning?

[Papa Zito]

One other thing. Dramonic, you're saying you jailed milk, and there was no mafia kill. My question to you - why didn't you jail him again to test your theory, and perhaps prevent another kill?

Because Plum was also RBed. I found her more suspicious than Milk. Additionally, if she was telling the truth, I protected her from a potential kill so that her partner wouldn,t have to reveal himself if Plum really is what she claims to be.

What? That doesn't make sense. Your theory is that Milk is scum and you blocked his kill. What does that have to do with Plum?

[Papa Zito]

Make sure you stay within the lines, or I'll get confused.

[Papa Zito]

BTW, I'm still hoping to get everyone's (pre-claim) view on Dramonic.

[Papa Zito]

Thanks elmo.

[Papa Zito]

Arrite.

vote: Dramonic

This vote won't move. As a famous philosopher once said, if Dramonic isn't scum I'll eat my hat.

[Papa Zito]

I'm really itchy on dramonic right now. Of course this game is killing me but I still have a hard time of scum jumping out with scummy roles going AHA scum found knowing that if they are wrong it makes them look bad. This will take some thinkin.

Avatar bet?

I'm feeling way too lazy to type everything out.

[Papa Zito]

^^^ likely Dram partner.

[Papa Zito]

This is simple enough. Three suspects. Everyone. Next post.

1. Dramonic - My gut is screaming gut here and I'll buy everyone in this game a pony if I'm wrong. My vote is not moving from here.
2. Snow_Bunny - You forgot the part where she somehow managed to use her one-shot investigation on a dead player. Haha.
3. Battle_Mage - The very definition of an active lurker.

[Papa Zito]

EBWOP: My gut is screaming scum. lulz Also I'm hungry.

[Papa Zito]

Today's Thursday.

And you guys are getting disturbing.

And you aren't listening when I say we must lynch Dramonic.

[Papa Zito]

I'd go all in, friend.

[Papa Zito]

What if he makes a hurricane?

Actually yeah I wouldn't mind a chamber lynch tomorrow.

[Papa Zito]

Guys.

Dramonic.

Seriously.

[Papa Zito]

Also I have no idea why Vaya decided to claim now.

[Papa Zito]

Jeez you people post a lot.

Vote Count (Page 100, Day 3)

milkshake

-3 (dramonic, Plum, tubby216)
dramonic -3 (Snow_Bunny, Papa Zito, Battle Mage)
Papa Zito -2 (LlamaFluff, chamber )
Snow_Bunny -2 (Elmo )
Sajin -2 (Benmage, stark)
SerialClergyman -1 ( VP Baltar)
tubby216 -1 (SocioPath)
chamber -1 (SpyreX)
Benmage -1 (Kise)
Snow_Bunny -1 (milkshake)

Not Voting:

SerialClergyman, Sajin, Vaya

This is terrible, just terrible. We need a real wagon, people. Let's get more dramonic votes ITT.

Also, my both of my other two top suspects are voting with me. I don't know what to think of that.

[Papa Zito]

@Zito:

Somewhere in this madness I had a question for you. I'll dig it up again later if you don't find it before then.

Did you? Must have missed it.

I've got a question for the Zeetster:

Was the push for KScope MORE a function of thinking scope was scum or thinking Ben was town?

Was it this?

[Papa Zito]

Erm, i'm one of your top suspects? Spill it, kiddo!

BM

You've been remarkable non-committal. The endless series of "I'm catchin up, honest injun" has caught my attention. The Dramonic vote is A+ tho and it looks like you're catching up (?) now.

PZ what do you think of Sajin?

1. He defends Dramonic, black mark.
2. He's following the town with every vote except Stark.
3. Claims a stark case but didn't make one that I can find? Also I really don't have any issues with stark's play that I can recall so I don't know where the hate is coming from.

I dunno. He rings pretty hollow when I read back. His "why me?" post earlier (trying to deflect to Battle Mage) was particularly bad (especially since I had called BM on exactly that). He's certainly not playing like I'm used to.

[Papa Zito]

Yea, that one Zeets.

I didn't know I was Zeets.

I'll be honest, it was a function of scope being a scummy lurker (only randomly popping in to vote) but equally a function of the town completely lacking direction and needing something to do before it died. I figured that, at worst, we lose an anti-town player and at best we lynch scum. If I'd known he was actually flaking from the site I would have gone elsewhere. :/

[Papa Zito]

Sure, it'd be worth voting if I weren't so sure of Dramonic's scumminess. He and chamber both warrant closer looks tomorrow.

[Papa Zito]

@VP: Not really, I've been pro-Milk lynch the whole day, why would I change my mind when the built list shows a preference for him over Sajin?

Well, even though milk is near the top, I'm not seeing the wagon support for it. The wagon support IS there for Sajin. The point of the list wasn't that we should auto lynch whoever is on top. The point was to see who are the most suspicious folks and the town could then make a compromise and we can actually move the game forward with a lynch. The issue we were having (which is fairly common in large games) is a bunch of people arguing in different directions and not budging for the good of the town. So, either get on board or be prepared to be lynched when Sajin flips scum.

--Thanks, mod!

Dramonic is also near the top, and he's scum. Let's lynch him instead.

Note: Happy scumday VP

+1

[Papa Zito]

Stop backpedling around my question.

So thats a no?

Let's do this better.

Benmage, did anything happen to you last night that, if another player were to verify it, would clear their name?

[Papa Zito]

Like this thread needs any more irony.

Now what then Sajin?

[Papa Zito]

Now I'm conflicted. Sajin is obviously lying (lol blown gambit) Dramonic is scum though. What to do what to do.

Sajin, you forgot to include your name. I have a feeling this was intentional.

BTW Llama, you may be insane. Just a thought.

[Papa Zito]

So Kise, Sajin was on your suspect list - how do you feel now?

[Papa Zito]

Good idea stark.

Let's lynch Dramonic now.

[Papa Zito]

Okay, finally done catching up in another game. Working on this one now.

[Papa Zito]

Dramonic:

1. Tons of useless throw-away posts/one liners.
2. Lots of rolefishing and speculation.
3. Consummate bandwagoner.


In addition:

1. Voted Kise (iso 1) for his goofy intro. Backs off when nobody joins. Scum looking for an easy wagon.
2. Jumped townie DeathNote
3. Pushed a townie to suicide to "confirm he isn't mafia". (Iso 36) Then derided Jordan for lacking patience. (Iso 55)
**4. Called DGB (confirmed townie) antitown for voting Kublai Khan (confirmed scum) (Iso 56)**
5. Calls Snow_Bunny newb town (Iso 61) after asking the bomb to blow her up (Iso 41) and then wants her dead (Iso 64) and then votes her (iso 145) and still wants her dead (iso 173)
6. Lists Kublai Khan as neutral, the top choice of all scum partners (Iso 61)
7. Votes chamber for his joke post (iso 113). Backs off when nobody joined. See Kise
8. Terribad reason for voting Milkshake (jailkeep = scum since when?); drops not because he's wrong but because "you guys are unwilling to follow through" (iso 170)


Let's lynch dramonic now.

[Papa Zito]

I forget who's the one that's supposed to cure insane people. I'd suggest Llama as your next target.

[Papa Zito]

Llama case on PZ is interesting. [1]I'd like to hear PZ's assessment of his own play thus far in the game and [2]an actual response to the case since he went into ignore mode on it. [3]Do you think this is typical of your town play? [4]How would you rate your level of scumhunting in this game, Zito?

1. Don't think I've played badly.
2. My response was 'zzzzzzzzzzzz' but yeah sure I'll go into detail if you want.
3. Is what typical?
4. lol. I just posted a case on someone.

[Papa Zito]

Ha ha this is all over the place.

In regards to the Spy-SB thing from early on; he lays the groundwork for a vote on Spy (due to -xr) flavor, and still shows plenty of willingness to vote for SB without a good response as to why Spy 'died'

Who didn't have a good response? (Besides, this question is still open!) What's the issue here? What scum ho?

[1]At the point the extent of his scumhunting D2 is voting scope [2]without any explaination as to why, even when prompted. And asking tubby to respond to me voting him. [3]Not a whole lot in that department, but enough to show suspicion of each, and a slight nudge in the direction of the hot topics.

1. So.......? What? What conclusion are you drawing here? Is there a time limit on scumhunting? Did I scumhunt at all outside of this on D2?
2. False. I did provide an explanation:

Why would that be again?

Read him in iso and tell me what you think.

Reading scope in iso would make it patently obvious why I was voting him.
3. I don't even know what this means.

Now everything goes to hell. I still fail to completely comprehend the whole SB debacle going on where she got wagoned, unwagoned, wagoned or whatever the hell happened there. I thought it was due to running a massive fever at the time, but apparently I still dont get it now. ANYWAYS.

You're saying all this was my fault somehow? What's the point of this? lulz. This is why I ignored this case, there's nothing here.

PZ comes to the immediate conclusion that Spy is third party and SB is scum. There is one thing that does not fit this though, and that is that PZ really doesnt seem to want a spy lynch at all. He sets up flavor reasons to kill him, then its just dropped. None of the flavor has been disproven by a flip. So I dont get this drop.

Really now? (Here things start getting scummy for Friend Llama) Why are you only telling half the story?

In that very post

I happen to say:

Truescum (patent pending) are inherently more dangerous than 3rd parties. So if I get to choose, which I think I do in the SpyreX/Bunny tandem, I'll go with truescum (patent pending) every time.

So again... what's your issue with me wanting to lynch truescum (patent pending) over a 3rd party? Is there some reason you'd prefer killing a survivor over truescum (patent pending) on Day 2 of a large theme? I'd like to know your thought process here. I made a case with why I wanted Snow_Bunny dead to back up my wagon. Did you read it? Was it not good enough? If not, why didn't you say something then? Why didn't you bring it up now?

[1]The day ends for PZ with wagoning of Ben, [2]trying to get people to wagon Ben OVER kscope who he was pushing at the start of the day, [3]to still wanting a SB lynch, [4]to dabbling in a chamber lynch, [5]to going back to the kscope wagon.

So, let's examine this, hmm?

1. I gave a reason for wagoning Benmage. Did you miss that while you were doing this? I'm guessing not, so I'm wondering why it wasn't included.
2. Uh oh, a lie, a misrepresentation! Plus provide quotes where I pushed the Benmage wagon. I'll be here.
3. Sure, I still wanted a Snow_Bunny lynch. I made a case. I pushed it. I had a wagon going. It fell outside my control. I'm not denying this. What's your point? It's like you think there's only one scum left in the game, or someone's only allowed to look at a single person at a time.
4. Did I vote chamber? Did I push anyone to vote chamber? See, this case is really starting to get scummy.
5. I begged the town all day for a scope wagon. Yet again, what's your point here?

I have read that a few times over and it still just is so sparratic I dont know whats happening there. He literally goes all over the place with

no strong (if any at all) reasoning behind a single vote

, and ends up right where he started at kscope.

Lotta talking, lotta vote moving, but not a lot accomplished.

He did find reasons to vote for Spy, SB, Ben, chamber, tubby and kscope though.

None of which he really ever dropped (at least to the point where they couldnt be dusted off in subsequent days), or made a whole lot of a case on.

Please explain the disparity of these two quotes. From within your own case. Holy crap.

[Papa Zito]

I agree with SerialClergyman actually. Massclaim may be in order.

[Papa Zito]

Dammit Llama.

Ok.

In the interest of

not

allowing the scum roleblocker to live another day, I'll go ahead and claim. I'm a cop with a guilty on dramonic. Now string him up plz.

[Papa Zito]

Vote: dramonic

Zito, do you think you could be insane though, given all of milks talk of being able to cure insanity? Also, since there have been two nights, do you have an innocent result for us as well?

I got an innocent on DGB night 1. Hence my Benmage vote.

[Papa Zito]

Stark unvoted before I got back to the thread. I tried the case route first.

[Papa Zito]

Not scum SC.

I expected to die tonight anyway since I was unilaterally pressuring scum all day. But given all the power roles in this game getting rid of a scum roleblocker is too important.

[Papa Zito]

XD. It's just that kind of day today.

Obligatory "who are your buddies?" question.

[Papa Zito]

I got to L-1 with a cop having a guilty on someone else ><

Your wagon(s) will be extremely useful later on.

Reiterate: Llama's insane.

[Papa Zito]

x_x

[Papa Zito]

The one big thing that got me this game was I was trying SO HARD to get PZ to realize I knew he was the cop and to chill on it one more day. Soo close and then I left and came back to a lynched dram AND a dead PZ.

I don't know how to play cop. lulz I thought with all these power roles running about

someone

would protect me. Chalk it up to a learning experience.

Given the carnage, I'm pretty happy with a draw.

Are we doing pre-ins?