The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)
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What appeared to happen was DGB possibly softclaiming some role info, BM fishing for that info (don't worry, I approve ) and I can't tell if that's a confirm or not.
Not only do I not approve of softclaims (as evidenced by an ongoing game of mine) but it's even less crucial when the scum can't fail to hit a power role.
I don't think Spy's story adds up and I'm suspicious of the death/ghost mechanic. I am in favour of stringing up the poltergeist.
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milkshake - why can't he be called an Alchemist? He already flagged yesterday that his name didn't end in -ER.I'm old now.-
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Sorry DGB, which attempt on his life are you talking about?
As far as I can tell, he's there standing above his own body and crying. There's nothing to indicate any sort of attempt on his life. The flavour reads inconclusive as to what happened, but is consistent with just about any variation of actions, including being recruited or converted, being a doppelganger of some kind, being a ghost etc etc.
There's nothing at all I can see that suggests the mafia tried to kill him.
As for his claim, I don't believe he's telling us everything. I don't like the role, flavour and particularly his claimed action.
So sorry you're being caused to regret playing the game, but you're jumping to conclusions with Spy that I don't like.I'm old now.-
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Spy, I have a role that interracts with people who have active roles and targetted you last night. IF you have an active role, my result doesn't make sense.
This makes a hell of a lot of sense however. SB, can you give us more information about what happened to you last night, or anything that might shed light on the situation?Let me put some logic in this argument, if Spyrex actually was scum he would not have tried to kill snow bunny unless he lacks the aformentioned two brain cells.I'm old now.-
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Volkan wrote:serialclergyman wrote:
I would be fine with a spyrex lynch.
Thank you for that contribution. It's nice to know you feel so strongly about a Spyrex lynch and are so interested in helping the town that you would back up your opinion with a logical argument as to why we should lynch spyrex. You are an example to us all.
Is there some posting restriction that says if I question a player who has a weird mechanic and an odd claim that other players have to respond like I've suggested a night of fun and frivolity with their saintly mothers? Stop getting your knickers in a twist and play nice.DGB wrote:Unfortunately, I only have one vote and cannot vote all the people rushing to lynch what is, in essence, a confirmed townie - because anyone with two brain cells to rub together has got to know that the attempt on Spyrex didn't come from town, but from scum.
Therefore, he is pretty much confirmed town.
* Thank you for reminding me of why I wanted to retire in the first place, and making me regret my decision to play again. *
I have role information that seemingly contradicts Spyrex's claim. The information isn't fullproof and says nothing about alignment, just contradicts the mechanics of what he is saying happened. I am also far from happy about his death/non-death and certainly not impressed by the 'if he "died" then mafia had to be involved so he's town' argument.
VP Baltar's argument about Spyrex using an action of some kind on SB IS very convincing though, and I'd like SB to come and explain exactly what happened from her end before shit gets real.
And Spy, while we're in a claiming mood, how many potions do you have? Are they all colours? Are you given any clues as to what they might do or is it pure guesswork?
I read the full game from top to tail in the 2 nights before the game started up again. Spyrex was one of them ost active people in looking for weird mechanics early, I thought he may well have the sort of ability my role can interact with. Also, in my experience he's an excellent player and any chance I can get to find out information about him and his alignment would be useful.If you have this role, why did you target SpyreX?I'm old now.-
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SB confirmed something odd happened to her last night. Unless anyone else wants to put their hand up, I'm assuming that was Spyrex. The only other possibility is they are both scum together lying about it going for an odd gambit they hatched together which I think is extraordinarily unlikely.No, i think what Milkshake is trying to say, is that SpyreX-scum might NOT have attempted to kill SB. SpyreX-scum might not have targetted SB atall!
But these sorts of issues are why I want to hear more from SB and possibly Spyrex.I'm old now.-
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I am the Toucher. I 'touch' 1 player at night. If they have an active ability, I am informed at daybreak what ability I've absorbed and the next night I get to either a) use that ability or b) touch another player.
I touched Spyrex and was informed I didn't receive an ability.
As I said, it's not alignment information and it's not 100% foolproof but it's definitely enough to make me suspicious of Spyrex, particularly when his current posts are nothing to write home about.
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I'm not in a lynching mood yet. No one has given me a good reason why I should lynch Spyrex after he targeted SB last night. If anyone else gave her that ability, now is the time to speak. Doesn't mean I won't lynch you, Spy, because the whole role info/type thing is pretty dodgy, but I'm not feeling the scummy vibes and I'm sticking with gut over setup info for the time being.
What's everyone's thought on a massclaim? I'm not sold on the idea, but the thinking goes along the lines of:
a) We'll never be able to pick a fakeclaim when almost any role/mechanic is possible, so we might as well lock scum into them nice and early.
b) It might explain some of the stuff that's just causing confusion at the moment.
c) It's not like we're going to be outing our power roles - we're ALL power roles. We'll allow the scum to pick and choose who they want dead, which is a negative, but it's not like we only have 3 power roles and a massclaim will out them.
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Ha, chorus of no's. Fair enough.
If I was heavily sold on the idea, I'd point out that if we know everyone's role the coordination of all the bits of info could be vital and I do fear scum being able to claim something ridiculous yet possible.
Safeclaims are a genuine possibility though.
Ok, massclaim on the backburner, but I do think an earlier massclaim than in normal games may be warranted due to the 'scum are going to hit power any way' and 'lock fake claims in early' principles.
Spy - SB confirmed the night action and the results of it to a degree (although I'd liek her to really spell out exactly what happened.) But given that, do you still think it's likely she's scum?I'm old now.-
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SB, I don't know if you realise how rubbish that position is. You're trying to say that the simplest thing to do is to assume Spyrex's claim is false when you picked up an ability. That means that Spy asking you if somethign odd happened last night was a pure coincidence and by some fluke that someone or some mechanic, as yet unclaimed, gave you that ability.
Ugh.
That's voteworthy for me.
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If you believe Spyrex targeted SB with anything, he's probably not scum. I don't get any scum motivation for pushing agaisnt the miller. There's heaps of juicy power roles yet unfound, why would you bother with someone likely to get lynched or killed at some point without an active ability?I actually don't think she's denying that SpyreX targetted her with something (gave her a black potion), but she is denying that that necessarily gave her her mysterious ability that she won't tell us about. Remember that SpyreX had the whole not-death thing going on, which might have been the (only?) outcome of his supposed potion.I'm old now.-
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I'm suggesting maybe a sarcastic and snide little comment is less useful than just a reasonable question about it. Because maybe they have, for example, role information which is important to the situation driving their suspicion.You're suggesting I shouldn't pipe up when a player says something I think to be bullshit?
Also - your method of commenting as you read is frustrating when the issue you're commenting on has already been resolved, as the people above me can attest to.
Havign said that, I agree abotu my role name and was thinking about making a comment about paedophilia to breadcrumb but decided against it due to good taste
Active is specifrically mentioned in my role PM. This was why I was asking about Spy's actions last night for the first 5 or so posts, including one specifically askign if it was active or passive at one point.
If you followed the resulting conversation, the fact that Spyrex claims to not have a 'type' line in his role PM is suspicious. I have some sympathy with the -xr thought as well. However, as I've said numerous times, I don't see Spy as scum if he targets SB with his action (and see no reason atm to think this isn't true), more likely a third party.
I agree that it's possible everything is fine, the non-ER role and the lack of 'type' is genuine and he's town, but I'm not convinced. What I AM convinced of is SB's reasoning for thinking Spy is scum (and subsequent vote of someone else) is rubbish. More 1-shot ability claiming and SB votes imho.I'm old now.-
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Papa Zito is absolutely town, by the way.
I think the last couple of pages have descended into very little to be honest. I don't think there's been a single vote change or much serious scumhunting at all.
I'd like to see more SB votes. All the cool people are on the wagon. Get it done, imho.
PS - to Sajin, i'd be more prepared to wait the extra day if everyone else wasn't a power role of some kind. SB is most likely to be scum in my eyes and her 1-shot isn't confirming so meh, if we lynch someone else we have a better chance of lynching a different protown role.
Also - missing one small thing is excusable, calling out for a claim that had already happened and quite obviously so looks like you've only just skimmed the thread and don't care much. So I'd still rate it as mildly scummy.I'm old now.-
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Oh, as for the third party stuff, my reasoning goes:
1) Flavour, type, claim are all a little off.
2) Scum isn't likely to target miller with ability.
3) Spyrex could well be a third party (without ruling out either town or scum.)
Since Volkan gave up his info and SB descended into scumminess I'm more happy thinkign Spy is town, but I certainly wouldn't rule anythign out.
Also, Benmage i'm waiting for a reply to a mod pm before I answer your question.I'm old now.-
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SB, the 'what will you do when you're wrong' question is possibly one of the worst in the game. I'm limited to doing what I think is right, and I think lynching you is right.
Plus - in this particular case, you are probably the least likely role to be of use to the town anyway. So happily, even if it was a reasonable question I can still sleep easy.I'm old now.-
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Rubbish. You of all people shouldn't be talking about speculation, some of your theories have been well within the speculative. I see no reason for scum to target a miller who was likely to be knocked off otherwise, with either a negative or positive ability.We have no clue what PR's scum might have this game. So its too much speculation.
How did you miss this??? Not only is it important, Sajin missed it and was told about it just last page! How did you miss it twice??Did SB ever reveal what the oneshot ability gained was?
Go for your life. My point was asking more andm ore questions about SPyrex's role isn't scumhunting. If people don't want to vote SB, explain why and tell us who you do want to vote for. The game is getting a bit flat.Would it be a terrible idea to consider talking about Rosso?I'm old now.-
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Possible but unlikely. Spyrex was in Emerald City Mafia (Mafia 96) with me, Kublai Khan, CKD, VP Baltar and possibly others who I can't remember off the top of my head, where KK rode a miller claim as scum to victory.Scum SpyreX might target her because some people declared her obvtown.
So he'd know that anyone in that game would be very suspicious of the miller.
Also - KK attacking the miller hard D1 is exactly what we did as scum in the last game - Zazie attacked KK's miller claim, died and flipped scum and noone questioned KK again. You can WIFOM whether he as scum was likely to try the same gambit again, but there you go.I'm old now.-
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I think Spyrex was saying
1) If Papa has an -er role he must have an active role
2) Clergy can steal active roles
3) If Clergy doesn't steal a role when touching Papa, Papa must be lying about his role.
The assumption at number 1) seems to be incorrect according to chamber, so the possibility doesn't seem to work.I'm old now.-
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Well, you can't have role information that she's innocent because she's a miller, so your read is as good as anyones.
As for the 1-shot cop ability, we only have her word for that, it's not a confirming role and when everyone is a power ability, lynching someone else will only lose us a different ability.I'm old now.-
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If you feel SB is town who won't survive the night, you should be unvoting..
On the flip side of the hard bus day one, in emerald city mafia, which KK just finished, he claimed miller as scum and had another scum member try to bus him resulting in her being killed and he being a confirmed town miller for the entire game. It happens, and KK would absolutely know the plan.
Ok, no momentum for the bunny. (I don't like waiting a day when we're going to be hitting power role and I don't like pre-planning lynches, but whatever). I'll see where I can park my vote.I'm old now.-
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Yeah - so has chamber, but I think I only want to vote him because I don't like his playstyle. Lets go Benmage then.Benmage has already claimed his power sucks in an attempt to buy town points, so you should vote there SC.
unvote, vote benmage
What's with the 'oh this game, this thread eats at my soul, I want to claw my eyes out, everyone is stoopid' posts? There's been about 5 different players making similar comments since the start of D2 and it's seriously irritating. My feet are getting wet from the puddle of tears. ><
Llama - I steal the role for the NEXT night. So N1 I touch blah, at the start of D2 I get told what the role I stole was (if any) and N2 I get to either use the role or touch someone else. They are blocked from using their ability N2.
There was another question about my role but I can't remember if I've answered it - I'm not sure if constantly talking about it now we've identified the Spyrex confusion is pro-town, really. I think I've already signed myself up for some deathing.I'm old now.-
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stark wrote:1) We've spent tooooo mmuuuuucchhhh tiiiimmmeee debating SB's scumness, and we're not getting anywhere. If Tubby flips scum, then there is no debate whatsoever.
We have spent a lot of time debating SB, what I objected to was the conclusion that if we lynch tubby we'll somehow know for sure the alignment of SB.We have not spent a ridiculous amount of time on SB? We're not going to conclude anything new.
Tubby is the best lynch today.
I don't want to spend time off on a tangent, but it's worth noting stark just last page said that if tubby = scum then SB =scum, and if SB isn't NKed, SB=scum. Both of those things aren't true and look bad to me in a vacuum.I'm old now.-
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I remember earlier in this thread a plucky, intelligent lad with classically handsome good looks and an air of competence suggested a massclaim, whichwould have been a freaking excellent idea but was cruelly shouted down by a chimp-like group of people who didn't have the smarts to follow his vision...
So totally into the massclaim.
Aside from that, even if sp is a scum roleblocked, what's the point in coming forward? Best case scenario is he's beliEved, plum is lynched and found to be town and his neck is in the noose before we've had a coffee tomorrow morning.
If tubby was fake claiming, why would he use anaccurate role name?
Plums claim here is the biggest stretch, but with zero motivation as scum to do that apart from a big gambit with tubby, I'm not keen on that theory either. I'm liking the benmage lynch more and more.
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Don't worry, I'm not having a go at you, I just don't have a read on your alignment yet, and I like you and you're a good player, so if you post more then I might be able to take a guess and be happier listening to you@SC-what do you mean more posts? I've been quite active this game. I went out last evening so couldn't be here for the four or so pages that were added, but I hope you aren't going to fault me for something like that.
As for massclaim - would have totally sorted out all the tubby + plum + SP nonsense, plus the inevitable nonsense that's likely to come from having so many roles... very tempting... I'll throw in a limerick... There once was a man called Serial...I'm old now.-
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