The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)
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Are peoplereallytaking Kise seriously? Come on people.
Ben, you were obvtown and a pretty good player in Yaw's game. Please don't go back to your old ways here.
Vaya, even in the RVS, voting without other text is bad.
Socio, NEVER assume a double vote comes from one alignment over the other. It's a case-by-case thing.
Unvote. I can follow Vaya's thought process from a town point of view.
Vote Benmage. We just played a game where pointless spew and spam hurt the town VERY badly. I think he's trying to intentionally replicate this as scum.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Am I one to joke around? If you were really town, you shouldn't have done what literally JUST screwed an entire town in another game.Benmage wrote: I hope you were jokin, i'm town and wanted to atleast play with some of the people in this game...KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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The FDVB Gambit brought an interesting result. Benmage felt the need to enforce several times that he was town while trying to figure out if it was a real kill. I think he knew what I was doing and was trying as hard as possible to tell us that he is town. Because he was trying so hard, I think he's scum. Yes, dramonic, a scumclaim would have made things easier. Unfortunately, I didn't expect it to happen though.
Ignoring Snow's claim. Will read her the same as before.
Don't like Tubby's Snow vote. Tubby, what is your experience with millers?
Yeah, Kise, what Plum said. She's my jailbait scum lover, so back off. XD
What?!? DeathNote slip!Unvote, Vote DeathNote
Plum, I've played 3 games with Benmage. He was town in all three. Borderline VI in the first two. Decent player in the third.
Anyone thinking that Kise got an investigation with no N0 needs to think a little bit. It makes no sense. He's obviously trying to pull a Mastin on us.
OMG SCUM. (for the sense-of-humor-impaired, I'm joking).Plum wrote:My Role PM is clearly an uninformed-minority
Damn you Spy for beating me to that last joke.
DeathNote self-votes. Obvscum. (Not a joke)
Cass, where did Snow slip?
BM, why did you vote Plum?
So we have DeathNote, Benmage, Sajin, and Jordan as scum. Cool.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Not playing to his town meta.VP Baltar wrote: Why is Sajin scum again?
I don't think Stark meant that it directly said council is town, but implies it. DeathNote couldn't even see this much.VP Baltar wrote: Why do you think the DeathNote "slip" is more telling than what Stark said?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Sajin is usually more balls to the wall protown questioning and stuff. Here, the best he's done is call slip on a reaction to a slip. I'm just not seeing the Sajin I'm used to. There are still better lynches than him today though, so I'm not going to push this too far right now.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Volkan, I just don't understand why Spy backed off so quickly. You gave an excuse for DeathNote and Spy just bought it without seeming to really think about much aside from the speed of the wagon. Not all speedwagons are on town, which Spy just saw in a game where we were scumbuddies.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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You wouldn't know this if you were town. Ohhh. Sliiiiiip.Kise wrote: SB and I are from opposing factions, TYVM.
DGB, Volkan isn't bussing me. I'm town.
Llama, I'd have waited for a Snow flip before revealing that meta info. It's hard to catch scum when you tell them how you are planning to catch them.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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^This. I tend to usually agree with Llama on theory, and this is one of those times. If Snow is scummy, we'll lynch her. If she's not, we won't. It's really that simple.LlamaFluff wrote: So then if a claimed miller looks scummy you lynch them, if not you treat them as town... I believe some really wierd things in this game (for instance I know a few people have seen me pull wagons off people who claimed VT), but this is not that far out there.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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I wouldn't complain about any of:
Vaya
DeathNote
Cass
Snow_Bunny
Benmage
SocioPath
Sajin
alvins95
Kise
Rosso Carne
KaleiÐoscøpe
In no particular order. All are either
a)scummy
b)lurkers
c)claimed miller and everyone freaked out about "OMG DO WE POLICY LYNCH?!?"KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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The arguments against him are crap. Now that doesn't make him auto-town, but I haven't seen a good argument against him yet.Sajin wrote: KMD- What do you think of stark?
This is pretty terrible though:
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No.Sajin wrote:Stark- Why not address the concerns and explain your reasons as well as scum hunt?
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Vote: Alvinz95
Volkan, *shrug*, it looked like a slip.
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What is the case on Alvinz?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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I know Alvinz can do more than he has so far. Snow hasn't done anything scummy yet. There isn't a good argument against Stark yet. Alvinz is the best lynch of the three.VP Baltar wrote: wtf? So you think a lurker lynch is a better case than someone who has acted outright scummy and refuses to do anything to the contrary? Why don't we just replace alvinz and lynch actual scum today?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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[quote="Benmage"]
Yeah well heres my argument: pffftpb[/quote]
Awesome. That makes me want to unvote.
[quote="dramonic"]
Kmd4390 : Fairly town, good contribution and decent scum-hunting.
Q1) You've pretty much called everyone scum at one point or another. What's your current opinion?
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Scum:
Benmage
Maybe scum:
SpyreX
LlamaFluff
Vaya
Tubby
alvinz
Not sure:
Cass
SocioPath
DrippingGoofball
KaleiÐoscøpe
Rosso Carne
Maybe town:
Kublai Khan
Plum
Papa Zito
stark
populartajo
Kise
Battle Mage
Snow_Bunny
dramonic
vollkan
Town:
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VP Baltar
milkshake
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[quote="vollkan"]
Yes, if you were paying no attention initially, but then I proved that it wasn't.
So, either you ignored what I said, you disagreed (your lack of any rebuttal speaks volumes on this, however), or you didn't understand (in which case, it baffles me that you wouldn't have piped up at the time).
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I "piped up" when Spy went with what you said. I didn't understand how you "proved" anything and still don't.
[quote="vollkan"]
[quote="Dramonic"]
Q1) You seem very wary of Kmd. Do you think he is scum, or just somewhat dellusional? [/quote]
So far, I think he is scummy (see above for the crux of my problem with his play regarding SB), but I am not settled so I am trying to question him.[/quote]
What is wrong with my play regarding Snow? She hasn't looked scummy so far.
[quote="Battle Mage"]
Currently, i'm happy to lynch Sajin, KMD, Plum or Dramonic today. Rather helpfully, none have any (serious) votes atm. So, any preferences?
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I don't like any of those choices, but if I had to pick one, Plum.
[quote="Benmage"]
Absolutely. Town are almost always more active players than scum. [/quote]
Not true. At all.
[quote="SpyreX"]
Unvote, Vote: KMD
I'll parse this in more detail later but VigGate still gives me the itch. The defense of stark (while the arguments aren't the greatest) strikes me as confidence in his flip. But neither of those get me as much as pushing a power-lurker lynch based on 2 posts and saying that not only is that scummier than active players BUT a replacement would STILL BE SCUMMY based on the ohh... 10 words posted.
Not buying it.[/quote]
VidgeGate- I'm a Gambit player. You know this. Should know it from our first game together, even if that one was retarded, but hey, I was a newbie.
Defense of Stark- Show me a case against him and I may support it. So far, there isn't one. Oh, and I always look confident in flips. Well, usually. But yeah. I usually have 1-2 very strong town reads and 1-2 very strong scum reads. I wouldn't call Stark either of those, but yeah.
pushing power-lurker lynch- I'm voting alvinz because it's a better lynch than Stark or Snow. If there was a better wagon, or people would support the Ben lynch, I'd be all for that.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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SpyreX wrote: Bolded for whaaaaa? I'm pretty sure you'd been on Sajin as scum due to META(TM PENDING).
-------------------Kmd4390 wrote:Ok, so two of my suspects died and flipped town.
Vote Benmage. Guess we're back to this because Sajin looks like himself now. Maybe Spy and Llama are scum?
1) It looks like I let it go because DeathNote's "slip" came up, so I was more focused on that.
2) k.
3) You're right. A Ben wagon would be better than Alvinz. However, Alvinz IS posting elsewhere, and not here. That IS scummy. Yes, it's one minor tell, but it's more than what I've seen against Snow (OMG MILLER) and Stark ("slip").KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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BM, the question to Vaya was legit. Vaya said the Jordan vote was just for the sake of wagoning and it was on the second largest wagon. When Stark voted, I figured a second vote would be good to add some pressure. Vaya answered pretty well, but hasn't done much since.
No, Yaw's game was pretty bad as far as walls/spam/lurkers. Whether it's why we (the scum) won or not, it was a pretty hot topic in the postgame. Benmage saw that and I believe he tried to replicate it. Thanks for reminding me. I'd forgoten that point against Ben.
Of course I think Ben's reaction to my fakekill was scummy. Didn't I say that a few times?
Gonna make me open another window now so I can see what 321 was...
How do you get me knowing DN to be town out of this? I was questioning Spy for turning around on his stance. I'm still going after DN at that point.Me where BM says I know DN to be town wrote:Spy, why so sure you were wrong about DeathNote?
BM wrote:417 by KMD cleverly leaves the option of Vollkan being scum open.
What is clever about that? Of course it's possible for him to be scum. He happens to be one of my biggest town reads so far, but I could be wrong.Kmd in 417 wrote:DGB, Volkan isn't bussing me. I'm town.
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Tubby, what is reaching about what Llama said? In that game, you hardly reacted to the miller claim. Here, you wanted a lynch immediately. Why such a difference?KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Yeah, I'd breadcrumb a scum role. I usually don't even crumb town roles.Kise wrote:
Hmm.. Looks like another one of your endgame-breadcrumbs.Kmd4390 wrote:Yeah, Kise, what Plum said. She's my jailbaitscum lover, so back off. XD
I don't. This one isn't from a bet. Cobalt will be giving me one soon though. Well. Assuming the Blue Jays aren't too much for the red sox to handle. Which, lately, they are.Kise wrote:How long do you have to keep that avatar?
Oh, you're right. He doesn't jump to conclusions. What I meant is that he continues pounding out questions until he's got enough to make a decision. At first, I wasn't seeing that from him. He has started since, but then again, itKise wrote: That's the meta on him? I always define Sajin [when town] as someone who doesn't jump to bold conclusions. He's proven himself to be a risk-taker, via our last game together, but making relentless convictions? Not in my eyes. Maybe he was being lazy cop last game..wasAFTER I called him on it...
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I don't see your issue with the whole Vaya thing.
No, I'm not saying Ben is lurking. In that game, Yaw made a big deal about the amount/length of posts being too much which was the entire reason, according to Yaw, that people lurked. So what could someone take from the Mod's thoughts at endgame there? That spamming helps scum. What might someone do as scum right after a game's Mod says that? Spam. What has Ben done, or at least did right in the beginning of the game? Spam.
No, I definitely saw Ben's reaction as scummy. Read my posts right after it.
I was trying to understand what Spy was seeing that made him change his mind. The complete turn around made no sense to me.
Volkan is town on gut.
On Sajin, he didn't seem to be questioning like normal at first. Now, he is. My reason for suspecting him is no longer accurate, so to push a case on that reason alone would make no sense. Either he's town or he's very good at seeing what he's called on and fixing it.
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Volkan,
Ben is scum because of how he reacted to my fake kill and because he started this game by spamming (see above for why this matters) right after Yaw's game ended.
DN was scummy because I thought he slipped. I didn't see how he could have not known if he was town after the game had already started. He should have asked the Mod to clarify if he wasn't sure.
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Tajo, just because slips are rare doesn't mean they NEVER happen. I thought I actually witnessed one. Guess not.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Volkan, the point comes from a game Ben and I were just in where spam and walls hurt the town pretty badly and the Mod made it clear in postgame.
I don't see Ben spam normally.
To answer your last question, I'd check with the Mod if I didn't know my role. The Mod would answer and THAT would be what would lead me to think I was town.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Ben, you say you only spammed in the RVS. Can you show me where you slowed down?
You weren't nearly this active in Mafia 91 or Death Note. You were pretty active in Yaw's game though, I'll admit.Benmage wrote: I can be an active poster and you know it. The D1 spam was obviously done comically. You not seeing this is bad for you.
He was pretty active, but provided content in most of his posts (there was SOME banter with BM).vollkan wrote: Did Ben spam in that game?
Do you think it is meaningful that here he only spammed in the RVS?
I sure as hell wouldn't come in making a post like "is council town?" when I know I'm council. Of course you are expected to know, so if I was unsure, I'd fear the possibility that I'm scum and wouldn't make that mistake.vollkan wrote: What if you didn't check with the mod?
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Plum, I called it how I saw it. When I read DeathNote's post, it looked like obvslip. I saw Volkan disagree, and figured someone would, so no big deal. Then Spy, who had voted DN, completely changed his stance. So I decided to look into that. Volkan has explained his position, and it doesn't make sense, but he was right, so yeah. Knowing now that DN was town, it's Spy's turnaround that bothers me.
My list wasn't in order. DN would have been at the top if it was. It was the order in which the players appeared on the Mod's playerlist.
About Snow, I completely agree with Llama's stance. She should be treated like she hasn't claimed. But the fact that she hasn't been means she would have been a decent target for Jordan just because it is becoming a huge distraction. Snow is one of our leading wagons for nothing more than claiming miller.
Also, I AM NOT AT ALL satisfied with a Snow lynch. Quote me saying that I am.
I know Volkan's points about DN were legitimate. How do I know? DN IS ALREADY DEAD.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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