Border of Touhou and Mafia ~ Game Over!

[SpyreX]

Psh, you guys are slow.

I have found FOUR scum already.

Mipe, Elmo, Plum, Vaya.

There names have four letters.

Scum has four letters.

Four has four letters.

Vote has four letters.

COINCIDENCES? I THINK NOT.

Vote: Mipe

That said, Zwet and the Hulk are obvTown. Forbiddan is a miller (since its FL, and never the full name but that is less than four thus not really scum just looks like it).

Lets get on this. This is a wagon for justice. CHOO CHOO

[SpyreX]

Yo yo in the house.

Why dost mipe's random end up on I, who so ith random him?

Further, why dost mipe start a wild goose chase on a soft claim?

Mysteries within mysteries.

Much like why with this list is this going slow.

[SpyreX]

Welp I thought it was a joke: that "I win" meant he was the first to confirm.

Apparently, not.

CHOO CHOO BANDWAGON HOO

Unvote, Vote: DeathNote

[SpyreX]

A wagon of that size got quickhammered?

Insert my shock and or awe.

A hammer dost not make a wagon. Although I'm all for some fat murder considering we didn't get a claim BUT really.

[SpyreX]

How about this for a TWIST!

A beautiful thing happened. I was given the ability to take a vig shot today.

I am taking it.

NOW, yea yea zwet blah blah but thats not who I want to shoot.

I want to shoot...

mipe.

HOWEVER, in the most magnanamous gesture you'll ever see from me with a gun, I'll allow SOME input - zwet, mipe or if there is a "case" on someone else I may consider it.

Probably not.

[SpyreX]

The thing that gets me is OMG HAMMER is never a convincing case.

Further, policy lynches on zwet being zwet based on a hammer that people were ON also is woosh.

THUS:

Kill: Mipe

I'm not one to dilly dally. If Mipe is scum and the gods bless me again I swear I'll be shooting one of you zwet pushers.

[SpyreX]

Riddle me this. Why didn't my kill work?

[SpyreX]

Sure as hell wasn't a fake kill.

I took a shot at mipe, looks like nothing.

[SpyreX]

Yes, you caught me I totally faked a kill as scum. SWOOSH.

I'd be very irked if that was a fake shot (0%). I'm not even really considering it.

I announced it, took it and the target is still alive. No one has claimed to make that happen.

And then mipe says they didn't know who I was going to kill?

Aweessomeeee.

Unvote, Vote: Mipe

[SpyreX]

Well played Mipe.

Unvote... OHH WAIT

Seriously. Unless there is a scum mastermind plot of day-roleblocking to setup mipe for this lynch double up by his inattention or I got los shaftos and this was a fake bullet I'm not seeing any reason to not do this.

Lets get 'er started in here'.

[SpyreX]

And if Mipe had said bulletproof and opted to not say anything? (I thought about that)

And didn't notice they were a kill target from pretty much the start of the day?

Woosh.

[SpyreX]

Pretty much when the guy with the gun says they're gonna shoot you.

Then saying mind blown THEN saying they had no idea who was going to be killed?

You make the call.

[SpyreX]

Ok, real simple here.

Pesco: Did you or did you not give him a BP today. Considering he's claimed vanilla and saying he had NOTHING to do with it and now you and Mufasa are nodding heads like thats totally what happened.

I'm confused.

I don't like confusing things.

[SpyreX]

Fair enough.

I'm down with this wagon.

[SpyreX]

If I had only realized mufasa was in this game maybe my bullet would have had a new home (hint, mufasa + rope = creamy goodness).

HOWEVER, that still doesn't change the fact(s):

1.) I was given mystical powers and TOLD ABOUT IT last night.
2.) Mipe has claimed vanilla.
3.) Mipe has said that they had no idea they were BP (see 1).

This, really, to me means that Mipe either knew and opted to let me waste my shot (awesome!!) or I got day RB'd (to protect Mipe) orrrr Mipe got protected, didn't know about it and that protection lasted through day.



FURTHER, if Mipe is scum I am calling a temporary UNBREAKABLE ALLIANCE to lynch the hell out of mufasa and pesco. I have a hunch that this set of lynching will net us 2 scum, maybe 3.

But, alas, they wont lynch themselves. I need your support.

For the cost of 1 vote you can help end scum today. Just one vote.

[SpyreX]

Xyl, we be broham's this game.

Fast is beauty.

If you are vanilla and this was all CLEVER GAMBIT MK 2: The DeathNote Saga, Revisited...

:headdesk:

[SpyreX]

Well, we'll see.

I'm actually going to be triple pissed if this is a vanilla town flip because that means SOMEONE is messing with me somewhere.

I'll find you.

[SpyreX]

Ohh him not dying was only half my issue. Him going "ohh snap I'm vanilla" after insinuating DIRE CONSEQUENCES was the other.

Pesco and Mufasa not paying attention and/or living in a better place going I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING EVER DONE. EVER. MIPE 4 PREZ just is a delicious icing.

I still use is because by god no way did we get two suicidal townies in a row. I believe.

[SpyreX]

Welp, swoosh.

Now, see, I want reasons for killing zwet. Because this whole zwet firebrigade every day makes me itchy.

Here's a question for the general masses:

Pagecount nonwithstanding, we are three days in. At this point WHO hasn't said anything of value?

[SpyreX]

Now don't get me wrong but on a fundamental level we can't afford the ADDITIONAL VI mislynches.

Power hammering doesn't bother me. I love it. The power hate on zwet drives me nuts because, lo and behold, we had a pair of woosh lynches and a couple more and its gonna be a hum dinger fail.

Vaya having one post will be remedied by either more posts or death. As it sits its not really a case to bite into.

Now, I know this seems against the way we've been flowing, but everyone should really give at least a substantial post with one or two candidates and why. We need to make up lost information real badlike now.

[SpyreX]

^

<3.

I'm totally cheering the hell out of those lynches too sooo.

But, seriously, scum. Lets find em.

[SpyreX]

Masking?

And I'm totally cheering from the stadium about those.

[SpyreX]

This is ridiculous. We've got half the game hiding unless its time for a wagon.

My plan for the next few days: look at activity as a function of the wagons. There is scum in the jumpers.

[SpyreX]

God I didn't even notice that.

THE PLOT THICKENS.

Thats easy enough to check though.

[SpyreX]

I WISH.

That was one shot. Needless to say I believe Zak because that story seems consistent with what happened to me.

[SpyreX]

It was random?

Awwessssommemeeee

Unvote, Vote: Zak

I'd put hard cash (or eat a hat if you prefer) on there being an Inventor considering yesterday and my shot that was not a shot.

[SpyreX]

My understanding of the series of events (and I am a bit information-biased)

Zak GETS the ability to GIVE a DV from ??
Zak opts to based on moonbeams give it to Pesco.

Yea.

However, this implies:

Zak is NOT the inventor.
Zak randomly handed out a DV on not even a town read.

Which thus implies:

Zak be scum, yo

[SpyreX]

The only thing that bothers me is why in blue blazes would Zak come out and announce with such a shoddy rationale for it?

Unvote

I don't understand it. I don't like it.

The more I think about it I have a real hard time finding why scum would do it though.

[SpyreX]

Well, rereading this game makes me cry a little inside BUT I may have found a new and better knot.

Now, I could simply TELL you who but we're going to play a little game:

Who has less than 10 posts this game?
Who hopped on the Zwet lynch wagon yet avoided the DN wagon like the plague (or, perhaps, like they knew what was going on).
Who, given the above, was happy to jump on the mipe wagon?
Who, additionally, was super plus A-OK with both my kill targets?

Answer with a vote. Set yourself free.

Further I was going to call for another UNBREAKABLE ALLIANCE this game but there's only one person who I've got the love for this game thus far: Xyl. So, now you're my super secret mason with no QT friend. Whether you like it or not.

[SpyreX]

I'll give you sotty is a lot of raw gut that came from rereading the entire fabulous 13 pages and going... huh.

Sitting off the DN lynch makes sense for at least A scum, if not more. Poking, but never pressuring people on it (like RBT) but keeping the hands clean - and then coming out the next day with no questions about me who was on it but being a-ok with my shot choices.

The problem is that, really, I'd kill almost any of you at this point.

[SpyreX]

I was waiting to see, of course, who would a.) pick up what I was talking about and b.) vote.

HOWEVER, I can get behind what Sotty was saying, to a degree (I would argue that the speed of the wagon is a function of "I WIN" which would have pretty much everyone jumping the hell out of).

I'll play more catchup here too. Needless to say Xyl is my forerunner for town. The rest are slowly starting to shift around some.

Hulk wouldn't be a bad lynch. Of course I really doubt there's a Hulk-Zwets bus going on so Hulk-scum means not zwet scum as far as I'm concerned.

[SpyreX]

Lynching lurkers is never a bad thing. Yea, I said it.

[SpyreX]

What do you do when a lurker gets replaced by someone active? Absolve the sins? Or not?

I hate lurkers. I hate replacements. Hence, I kill lurkers.

However, sotty, scum. Who are they?

[SpyreX]

Scum reads off Mufasa, Zwet and to some extent Hulk.

Now, detail said reads. Further, I'd like to see how activity doesn't play a part with them and their scum reads.

(This isn't just picking on you but seriously lynching almost ANYONE amounts to a lurker lynch at this point ffs)

[SpyreX]

Mufasa. I swear.

Tubby. Catchup and give three scum picks.

[SpyreX]

Just out of morbid curiosity, any reasons?

[SpyreX]

I don't think you are picking on me. But I want tit for tat. Here are my expanded reads, I expect you to offers yours.

Mufasa votes for vaya basically for pressure stating this out and out taking away said pressure. Vaya hasn't contributed to the game is his reasoning, yet I don't see him doing much actual scum hunting. I think falling back on a lurker lynch is often a scum standby, particularly when they don't comment much on anything or anyone else. Also appears to be rolefishing:

Zwet has the meta of quick hammers which, as I have expressed already, is just awful. I hated the DN wagon so I also hate the hammer. Meta or not, what Zwet did was anti town. Since then he hasn't really been doing much scum hunting, he posted he believed mipe's claim and yet got “mad” that the mipe hammer was stolen from him. Today he has latched onto Hulk who has been wanting to lynch Zwet for awhile now. He doesn't seem to want to be helpful at all.

Hulk is a little harder for me. He has been all over Zwet which could be seen as an “easy” lynch. Then as soon as another wagon forms he hops over. AKA mipe and myself. I also hate the hulk character.

So, mufasa's (albeit poor) vote for Vaya loses its pressure when announced for pressure. True. However, how does this make it an action more likely to be performed by scum?

The rolefishing is :headdesk: on his part. I'll give that

Zwet's hammer stance is at best goofy, but again the wagon requires multiple people (and if I wasn't VOTING on it you can sure as hell bet I would have hammered the hell out of it).

The business about mipe is interesting. I may have to go dig that up (unless you want to be a helper ). This and the new "because" is well... awesome.

Hulk. Well - do you think Hulk and Zwet could be bussing or?

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As for me:

Zak:

I've pretty clearly laid out my issue with the giving Pesco the votes. However, I've also had problems with that coming from scum (although I do give Xyl some cred for the don't-make-sense-kill-it theory). That scenario flat out doesn't make sense - if we had hit A scum I'd be far more apt to kill this without mercy.

Sotty:

Watching DN go down in a ball of flames hurts. However, I'm not seeing any reason why someone would stay AWAY from that wagon as town (scum sure, town..ehh). Your adamancy about it (and fingers the next day on two people on said wagon) gets me. The volume of play had been lacking as well (but, again, thats something near everyone is guilty of).

???:

Now, here's the flipside of the not many town (TM) reads in this game. I don't have a lot of banger on scum reads either. So, I'm not going to lie and say that my third option is OMG SCUM. It would be any of the neutrals or belows I currently have:

Mufasa, Pesco, Hulk, Tubby, Zwet.

(Yes, this means that Dram, Elmo, Kmd & Plum are neutral-town).

[SpyreX]

Here's a general question for Pesco:

What's the difference between Xyl's play and mine this game?

Still would love anything resembling a reason for me being scum from zwet.

My hateometer is in the red this game thus far.

[SpyreX]

Xylthixlm (L-5) ~ Pesco47, Zakeri

This really gives me the itch right here.

Much like the absence of players.

Vote: Zakeri

On top of my itch going back and forth the fact that if Zak flips scum Pesco is dead to rights it pretty awesome.

[SpyreX]

@Hulk:

Zak gives Pesco a doublevote "just cause" and yet, somehow, ends up on a wagon with him?

That doesn't make the sense.

Much like if I am buddying to Xyl and said buddying is a bad thing HOW DOES THAT IMPLICATE XYL AND NOT MYSELF?

I'd love to see tubby contribute. I'd love to see many people contribute. Alas

[SpyreX]

Are we SURE we can't lynch Sotty? SURE?

[SpyreX]

Voting for Mufasa and then right up there greasing the gears for a tubby lurker lynch without shifting said vote makes my belly rumble with those not so awesome feelings.

Of course, I could give you the benefit of the doubt and lynch tubby and then if this was a mislynch do a ninja backflip on you.

Or, skip the middle man and lynch you.

Or lynch Zak under the wtf clause.

All these are possible. The battery is ticking.

Tick tock. Tick tock.

[SpyreX]

Woah. Lets take a step back off the crazy train.

My comment has nothing to do with my stance on Mufasa. It has

everything

to do with yours. And the prepup for a new wagon.

I've been pretty clear that I'd happily lynch damn near anyone at this point for the most simple of reasons: this game has a serious :headdesk: factor that needs to go. There ARE scum hiding amongst the rank and file of the .

But, lets talk about the other part:

Speaking of which, exactly how long do we intend to let tubby go without contributing? I asked this before but nobody answered.

I'd love to see tubby contribute. I'd love to see many people contribute. Alas

As I said before, he needs to catch up soon. At the very least, he should give opinions on what he has read so far.

Tubby needs to weigh in ASAP.

He has played in Vi games before, he knows all about the depleting battery power. He has no excuse.

Which one of these is different than the others? (I'll give you a hint: I bolded the naughty part).

I wont explain why that's so naughty though. I'll leave that, for now.

[SpyreX]

I'd like a large majority of the game to start, ya know, playing the game.

Its simply the addition of a rationale for a lynch without a vote on two sides of the coin (the lurking and the re-affirmation that time is running out) that gets me.

However, the simple fact you've said your mufasa vote isn't a strong one helps some. It would have helped a lot more if there wasn't the "YOU think he's town" before you said it.

I'm abrasive, but I promise you its nothing personal. I'm definitely not trying to get under anyone's skin. <3

[SpyreX]

Well hmph see if you get an invite to my birthday party spoilsport.

[SpyreX]

I dont like that post. One bit.

Sigh I am feeling demoralized.

Football time though!

[SpyreX]

Who? Me?

I'm still waiting, much like all I get to do this game, for you (OR ANYONE) to say THIS IS WHY X IS SCUM.

[SpyreX]

I don't get hiding behind zwet and doing very little.

I could vote that way but by god I can't lie and say its enough to really sink my teeth into.

[SpyreX]

^

Yea.

[SpyreX]

In this game? Hells to the yea. You and Xyl are confirmed town.

Didn't you get the memo?

[SpyreX]

Why I get the rolleyes?

That was pretty much a joke, overall. I have pretty solid townvibes on Xyl and decent ones on you but I can't tell if its a function of you or a function of everyone else just not playing.

[SpyreX]

Apathy HOOO

Unvote, Vote: The Incredible Hulk

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That said:

This is, really, inexcusable. I can't fathom a reason why this game is so ridiculously hard for people to actually want to play in. As much fun as telling stories in the secret circle with Xyl and KMD has been, its not really a game now is it?

Play or get replaced or get lynched. Whatever.

[SpyreX]

The reason is simple. I'm not down with lynching Xyl.

Battery is at 30.

You are the only wagon that could have been pushed ahead.

I'd MUCH rather lynch Zak. Or sotty.

But, considering the wild and wacky speed of this game the chances of either of those happening are minimal. So.

[SpyreX]

Although: How Hulk make game move.

What Hulk do besides dance with Zwet?

[SpyreX]

367 is a lot of words. But not enough substance for me to go "OHH SNAP TOWN"

And since I love buddying up so much and this just irks me:

15. Xylthixlm - I feel is purposely trying to mislead the town into lynchs the town shouldn't be falling for. Mostly Scummy.

What lynch has Xyl been a part of that I haven't that ALSO qualifies as "the town shouldn't have fallen for"

Was it:

1.) The "I win" that just exploded all overhimself in a :headdesk:
2.) The "I HAVE POWERS" "OHH WAIT I WAS LYING TO TRY AND SURVIVE" lynch yesterday?

I mean I can see picking on him some for TODAY and, while disagreeing, not instantly raise an eyebrow but.

Also:

8. Pepsico47 - All of his attacks have been votes with cases attached to them. I don't see anything that I recognize as "ScumPesco" and judging based on the standard provided in most of the games we've played together, I have a stronger town read on him than anyone else this game.

Vote 1: The "I win" business (which is fine but) see above.
Vote 2: KMD. Reason: Voting YOU over other players.
Vote 3: Xyl. Reason: Lynch cheering. :headdesk:
Vote 4: Ohh wait that's it.

I... can't... head... broken.

[SpyreX]

Yea, I can't see how anyone could think anything like that when you throw out a doublevote on :shrug: and THEN NOW he's your #1 town read.

Show me the reasoning. I sure missed it for his KMD business.

And you're calling Xyl out on lynch cheering...but not counting the lynches we've had?

[SpyreX]

I'm not allowed to buddy up with Pesco like you do with Xyl? You should have told me before I done it.

No. That is my role and mine alone to make buddies.

Actually, lets try that again.

You can't post-buddy up when your claim for the choice is :shrug: at the time and then after the fact you have the most town read on him. If I had a deathsaber that I had to give to someone the rationale would be "I gave it to Xyl because he's town." Not "shmeh" and THEN town.

Everyone is equally scummy for those lynches. Xyl is scummy for wanting to continue lynching just like we've done for those two lynches - likely to the same fault as those two lynches. All of the people I've labeled town at least have tried to provide reasoning other than "X should die just because."

Except Xyl gave reasons for DN (the same as mine) and on mipe (lying AND claiming not to know who the kill was on).

So, if those aren't the ones we're looking at...which ones? Pushing on the myriad of non-contributors today?

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As for the last bit. That's totally not what I meant but awesome I guess. I was asking what Pesco's rationale for voting KMD that you agree with (since you said Peso's votes have been backed up with reasons) because I didn't see one aside from "you picked Zak, others are bad too".

Further, if this is true and clears KMD, why would Pesco be townier for voting for a confirmed town to you? No, this isn't VOTE TOWN = SCUM but... townier? Really?

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Plum I love your avatar. What ever would possess you to get something like that?

I kinda dig the mufasa stuff. Kinda. Maybe when I'm awake.

[SpyreX]

The fact Talana is the FIRST one in that list makes me laugh.

The most interesting part about Mufasa-scum would be that he came out of lurking to... attack a lurker.

I dont know what I think about that.

[SpyreX]

Actually, I don't want to get into specifics... but I got two actions n1. :O

[SpyreX]

Ok, you giant green chucklehead:

Spyrex answer "But not enough substance for me to go "OHH SNAP TOWN" But that not the point. Accusation that Hulk not participate in game except "dance with zwet" now FALSE. But Spyrex very scum, very opportunist, look for low battery power for easy bad lynch.

Also, very clear now that Hulk think Spyrex scummy. One reason Spyrex likes keep vote on Hulk?

You have 31 posts.

If one is to take said posts, toss em into word, and do a find on the word "zwet" you will get a result of 61 instances.

You mention his name an average of 2 times per post.

However, maybe that is a factor of the self-inflicted post PR. Lets see:

Iso posts: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, (I'll give 19 a break since its the BIG POST), 20 and 25 could all pretty much be summed up as "Zwet is a policy lynch"

So, does one large post change that you've been dacing with Zwet all game? Hells to the no.

In fact, lets go ahead and parse that.

Half of it is a very simple "this is what happened" interspersed with innuendo that Xyl is scum and that *gasp* Zwet should die...and, more than once, that Pesco is town (??).

That last piece is stronger worded than the Xyl hate and if not for the sheer volume of Zwet-dancing I'd say even that.

Kinda left field, no?

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I'd love to see tubby's feelings on Zak versus Mufasa explained.

[SpyreX]

RBT.

[SpyreX]

I'm bothered by that more than a little.

[SpyreX]

You would think that not only would KMD be the highest BUT Pesco would have at least SOME neg vibes for the vote on KMD on light grounds.

[SpyreX]

Also, I'm really loving how people seem to be taking sides between the me/pesco/hulk thing and the Xyl/Spy/Dramonic thing. This will be good information for the townies out there.

Que?

When did Dramonic become part of this tryst (which I think is mostly Hulk/you/pesco pushing on oddly enough)

And.. NOW he moves down? Why wouldn't you have said that when you made your night action claim (which, for the record I never asked for).

I just don't understand. Again.

[SpyreX]

He went: Thats a bad vote because others are doing it too.

This was in regards to:

1.) Your delay in post times.
2.) Your policy lynching support here while being against it generally.
3.) Your saying you've found town but not wanting to give a hit list.

I'm just not seeing how that adds up to Pesco = town for throwing a defensive vote out.

And, for example, lets say I was a cop with an innocent on someone. By nature, I'm going to be more critical of votes placed on them because I know they are town. So, yea, I do put an emphasis on voting targets.

[SpyreX]

I'm not even sure it IS being used as one here?

Well, its implied but I can't come to grips with whether this is just white noise or a "SPYREX XYL DRAMONIC BE SCUM" business.

[SpyreX]

But I thought I was the scummiest?

Then zwet?

Then Xyl?

I'm not even mentioned there.

I feel so alone.

[SpyreX]

Hulk last page (AFTER Xyl had voted Mufasa):

Hulk much more sure Spyrex scum than other two.

Hulk this page:

Xylthixlm quick Mufasa vote for barning Plum, then rush back vote main enemy The Incredible Hulk scummiest possible.

Make Spyrex look like choirboy.

It is a mystery.

@Sotty:

We'll see. This knot is more important now. Especially with low battery and the fact I'm going to get no traction.

[SpyreX]

Due to the double-reread clause of the scum-charter 1a I could swing behind a doomtrain on tubby if there is enough time.

Mufasa I just.. *sigh*

[SpyreX]

Hoo nanny.

Not my best game for finding scum but I did a banner job finding towns.

[SpyreX]

I was worried you guys were going to lose sight of the Silver Rule there for a minute.

KMD was town. Plum, up until the off the cuff shot, was OBVIOUSLY town (downgraded to "town"). Xyl can be off his game a bit if he's gonna be that town about it. Zwet being scum required a mind-game of magnitudes that I would have patted him on the back for the win (the quickhammer AND hulk-gate? Bravo)

Zak was... well, scum. (I would have pushed for this lynch THEN Tubbies until the Silver Rule came into effect).

[SpyreX]

Being a roleblocker is HARD.

Being able to self-doctor? And get a vig (HULKKKK)? Thats easy!

Inventions for us all!