The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Dramonic

Because he likes killing too much.

RVS isnt very good unless you at least have a semi-valid reason to vote for that person.

vote Cass

for her "pro" RVSing.

Vote: Jordan

I hate you already.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote Battle Mage

worst mage ever, will lose the game for us in Lylo, doesn't even cast low level fireballs well.

lmao

You're just sore because i out-survived you, despite being under pressure for the entire game. xD

Anyway, i'll only lose the game for us in LyLo if we dont lynch you beforehand. So maybe thats the play? Thoughts?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Kmd

He has a crazy avatar.

PLEASE tell me you arent a relative of YellowBunny. 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Kmd

He has a crazy avatar.

PLEASE tell me you arent a relative of YellowBunny. 0.o

BM

I played with Yellowbunny and she was fine, maybe a bit lurky. Had a particularly scarring game with YB?

Haha, i cant comment sadly-is ongoing. But my first impressions aren't so favourable...

Can you link me to the lurky game, ooi?

BM

[Battle Mage]

That and he claimed Vig-Jester and somehow has a pre-game investigation (which he wasted on Milkshake?)

Seriously?

Vote: Kise

Lol, secondary wagon should be on Dramonic right about now. Why would his investigation be a waste if Milkshake flipped scum, as he claimed?

And i dont think you'd take Kise so seriously if you've had any experience of him before.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ben, it seemed fine to me.

Vaya, any reason for that vote?

I dont understand the first comment.

The second question shouldn't need to be asked. Jordan is obvobvscum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ohh snap this game started. I have some stuff to talk about believe it or not woo!

Vote: Porkens

Now, see, this isn't a random vote. I want us to get a nice dispersment of votes so that when the first votecount comes up we can look and see if there is any modifications to the voting mechanics that we need to know about NOW versus later.

So, everyone needs a vote, but not a "true" wagon yet.

Which leads me to part deux:

This goes without saying, but I want to get this out now. With this being vanillaless lets not do the AWESOME wagon to claim to flip to a new wagon to claim to flip to a new wagon to claim. Barring miracles, if I'm going to vote for you BEFORE your claim I'm going to sure as hell hammer you after it.

That said, there's obviously some interesting roles in here. We're going to see a mix fo sho'.

I like this alot.

If I were vig, I'd shoot Kise.

That's a policy-vigging. xD

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ben, you being lynched in Yaw's game. I didn't have a problem with it.

Lol, i wonder why that was? -0.5 to both mages. :'(

Why so protecting over Jordan?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Lol, i wonder why that was? -0.5 to both mages. :'(

Gd'it! Didn't Yaw teach you anything...stop flooding the thread.

General Discussion it? lmao

Flooding the thread was not the issue, and you know it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Lol, i wonder why that was? -0.5 to both mages. :'(

Gd'it! Didn't Yaw teach you anything...stop flooding the thread.

yah but this game is lacking DDD so we don't have wade through pages and pages of typed out verbal diaharea.

i surprised we have gotten to page three and ther eis no mention of a pact?

any takers?? one time offer!

for you? Ofc! Count me in.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, Vaya said he was just wagoning and Kise had more votes.

True. But my issue is more with you attacking him beforehand. The whole thing seems a little contrived...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ben, you being lynched in Yaw's game. I didn't have a problem with it.

Really....no issue with winning...hmmm you are an odd one.

@Vaya

bad. Why not kise?

I dont really recall a game where Kise opened with such absurdity, why the need to defend him Battle? And how is Jordan obv scum? Highlight for me puhlease.

Kise is full of stuff like this from what i recall. It seems all too familiar. Will post stuff on Jordan when i've had another drink.

BM

[Battle Mage]

True. But my issue is more with you attacking him beforehand. The whole thing seems a little contrived...

I was in class and had a vote with no reason sitting in front of me, so I asked about it.

Whereas your Kise vote was perfectly well validated? I think not. lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

Benmage is obvtown.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You aren't going to spam why? Cuz I called you out on it? You're obvscum and have to be lynched ASAP.

Better yet,

Kill Benmage

Porkens made an early kill in a game once and hit my scumbuddy. Let's see where this gets us.

Win. Benmage's reaction is priceless.

Unvote, Vote: Plum

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok, after some thoughts, I decided to do it. Claim: I'm a miller. I was hesitant to do it, as I have no apparent reason to claim, but I do. I've learned that millers can help investigative roles by providing a "safe" test. And it's better if I claim early on.

(Something tells me that I'll probably end up lynched, but still, I must do what I think it's best for town.)

confirmed town, barring a counter-claim.

BM

[Battle Mage]

unvote

so yah this pact thing who's up for it?

YO! I already said i was in! Now, proxy me your vote already!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok, after some thoughts, I decided to do it. Claim: I'm a miller. I was hesitant to do it, as I have no apparent reason to claim, but I do. I've learned that millers can help investigative roles by providing a "safe" test. And it's better if I claim early on.

(Something tells me that I'll probably end up lynched, but still, I must do what I think it's best for town.)

vote: snow_bunny

millers need lynched

Thats dumb. Why would Snow Bunny-scum claim miller, when she was highly unlikely to be investigated, and it would put her under loads of heat? She's pretty well confirmed town imo.

Battle Mage & myself recently avoided contacting chlamydia from Kelly Chen.

Lmao! From this point on, i'm actually going to read your posts.

I ain't hetero, Haylen is hermaphrodite dear. She's got boobs but down there she's all male.

0.o Conversely, i'm giving your posts a wide berth from now on...

Kise - why no love?

Anyone know if Benmage is an idiot or faking it?

Haha, i hope you've got the feet for those shoes...

Kise, I'm completely lost through your claim. What are you, a suicidal 3-shot cop?

Also, if your investigations are true and not another weird trick of yours, then we can presume you're insane.

Unvote, Vote: Dramonic

So i lied!

BM

[Battle Mage]

What is it you want to hear from me? Confirmation on what I said in my 1st post? I'm just... bringing in the ChristMastin spirit, is all. I wanted attention. I got it.

WTF? Who honestly starts off a game thinking "I'm going to play in the most anti-town fashion possible?

....


Me?

Lmfao

Also, thanks VP.

BM

[Battle Mage]

And, just to see if this is something more than silliness:

Pact: Tubby

^5

That depends.... is council town?

In this post, we see DN is a third party

Unvote
Vote: DeathNote

Incidentally, I don't like third parties.

Or, more likely, we see that DeathNote hasnt read his role pm.

If you were Town you'd know that whatever your alignment was was Town.

Actually, i've got no idea. But then, as it's only flavour, it doesnt really matter.

Nice attempt to distract from answering Plum's question, though.

FoS: Kublai Khan

I HATE posts like this.

Can I join the bandwagon?

Vote: DeathNote

Well, my role pm made it clear that the Council was town, so if you really didn't know it's because YOU ARE NOT TOWN!!!!

ehhh, i dont like this.

Entering Active Lurker Mode

And now you become utterly useless to us, if you are indeed town. Fantastic!

Mod, please

Prod: DeathNote

BM

[Battle Mage]

Where does it say what is town anywhere? Is it listed that Council=town? If so, point it out to me please.

It should say it in your PM, scum.

unvote

Vote: DeathNote

Explain this stark. Now. Are you mafia or 3rd party?

unvote; vote: Stark

I like this better.

Unvote, Vote: Stark

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Where does it say what is town anywhere? Is it listed that Council=town? If so, point it out to me please.

It should say it in your PM, scum.

unvote

Vote: DeathNote

Explain this stark. Now. Are you mafia or 3rd party?

unvote; vote: Stark

....

1. The game begins with the death of "The Giver"
2. "The Giver", as stated in the introduction, is aligned with the Council
3. "The Giver"'s name has been written in green.
4. Green is the color asigned to all dead player/NPCs aligned with the town.
5. I am aligned with the council


I don't understand how this was even a question.

Your original statement was that it said Council = Town in his role pm. Which it seems it doesn't. That's a lie.

Your vote for Deathnote appears to be on the grounds that he didnt read the intro. Which, as far as i'm concerned, is not unheard of, or particularly anti-town.

BM

[Battle Mage]

hmm, i dunno.

Unvote, Vote: Jordan

I'll probably hammer DeathNote if he isnt replaced, and doesnt come back to participate. But we have loads more time which we really ought to use...

BM

[Battle Mage]

K-Scope is here? lmao. xD

BM

[Battle Mage]

When I first read my role PM and it said and it said I was aligned with the council, I wasn't sure if I was town until I looked closely at my role PM and didn't see any scum partners and noticed my town looking win condition. So I don't blame Death Note for his unsureness, and if anything, it makes me want to believe that he's town.

I really don't like the "It should say the council is town in your role PM" comments from Snow_Bunny and stark. Nothing in my role PM outright states that the council is town.

Unvote, Vote: Snow_Bunny

, because I also am weary of that miller claim.

Thats dumb. Why would Snow Bunny-scum claim miller, when she was highly unlikely to be investigated, and it would put her under loads of heat? She's pretty well confirmed town imo.

I very much disagree with this. I've heard plenty of talk of KK winning a game thanks to a miller claim. What makes you think that all throughout the game, no cop would ever want to investigate her? She's hardly confirmed town.

I'll also second vollkan's question towards Snow_Bunny, because the way she worded her claim bothers me. Where did you learn that millers should claim early on?

No, Vaya, it makes no sense. Think in terms of Reward vs Risk. What the hell is the merit in claiming something that may well get you lynched Day 1 or Day 2, with the prospect of not getting in trouble if there is a cop alive at endgame. I dont think Snow Bunny is anyone's top investigation choice in terms of experience. Look back at the responses to Kise's claim of a guilty. There was speculation about why he would target somebody inexperienced.

Snow Bunny is obvtown. You have 1 post in which to remove your vote from her, or you earn mine.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@BM- you want me prodded for not posting within the last six hours? Come on BM, your better then that.

Am i really getting preached at by the self-voter? Christ... 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

Benmage is obvtown.

BM

I'm not saying it back! I wont! I'm .... I'm going to lynch you!

I laughed so hard, i spat drink all over my laptop. *facepalm*

-0.5 for me.

On the flip. I think Stark and Vaya are scum.

unvote vote Stark

Can we do a Vaya wagon first? I'm not feeling so good about Stark after Jordans vote...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Snow Bunny is obvtown. You have 1 post in which to remove your vote from her, or you earn mine.

I can't believe you are actually making me link this game. You just wanted to dig up the wounds after they finally healed.

Snow Bunny read that game? I doubt it. I can sympathise with your meta, but in this case, i still feel it's highly unlikely Bunny is running a gambit. And if it IS a gambit, it probably deserves a good run.

BM

[Battle Mage]

hi thar llama, long time no see

OMG IT'S THE DRAMALLAMA! xD

BM

[Battle Mage]

Okay. Bunny is town.

confirmed town, barring a counter-claim.

I loved comments like this when I fakeclaimed miller.

That's why I'm telling you, you can lynch me whenever you want, but I claimed for the sake of town. If any investigating role wishes to confirm its sanity, just check me, and if you still don't believe me, you can easily lynch me tomorrow (and thus reveal that I'm just a townie that feels guilty.)

Sounds like the mafia team has a Watcher role.

unvote
vote: Snow_Bunny

This is a terrible post. Not because you fakeclaimed miller that means everyone claiming miller must be scum. Also its pretty obvious that Bunny's motivations are not scummy and you trying to paint her obv newbie motivation (get any investigating role to confirm its sanity) as a mafia watcher move is scummy as hell.

You are like pressuring someone for no reason at all.

Vote : Kublai Khan.

I like this. Will look at Jordan again later. In the meantime, this could go somewhere.

Unvote, Vote: Kublai Khan

Also, meta-wise, VP Baltar is likely to be town. Something in my gut says Stark is town too. At the very least, we should give him another day or 2.

Vaya is very scummy, and if there's any degree of consensus on that, i'd absolute love to join that wagon.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, you didn't seem to like that I thought some useful reactions (scummy ones) came out of Kmd's fake-dayvig-gambit, or that I was enthusiastic about it; you even voted me apparent;y because of that. Care to expound?

Gladly. I dont have an issue with you saying that useful reaction came from the DayVig gambit. Iirc, i had major issues with the manner in which you claimed the reaction was scummy, when in fact, it really wasnt. You were blowing smoke, when in reality, i dont see any reason to back up your belief.

I have a huge aversion to those who want to confirm SB up simply because of the Miller claim. Llama's stance is one I've previously adopted, and especially given notorious shenanigans by Kublai in a recent game- which many are aware of - there's too much WIFOM to confirm

anything

about a Day 1 Miller claimer. The Battle Mage, I say: I don't think BN, is, at this point, scummy enough to warrant today's lynch but: WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM, and not the helpful kind, either.

EH? 0.o

Obviously, Plum-scum (haha) may be buddied with KK or Jordan.

BM

[Battle Mage]

bah the site is flipping me off atm. Mod, please delete my 2 previous posts.

BM

Deleted - Mod

[Battle Mage]

Also BM, strop triple posting.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

BM

[Battle Mage]

Question: if stark hadnt made that post, would DeathNote be dead by now?

Using this argument, who should we lynch today?

1. No.

2. No.

kk. Explain?

I'm nowhere near catching up and being able to post properly. -.-

I'll read up to where we are now, but i doubt i'll have time to analyse everything that has occurred, when i'm neglecting other games.

I'll make some notes when the game slows down. We've got time right?

Meantime,

Unvote, Vote: Jordan

for the post above. "Kk" is your response to being cut down like that? 0.o
Daaaaamn. What does concern me is, you could just have a very scummy meta. But we aren't going to find that out until we lynch you SOMEWHERE.

BM

[Battle Mage]

at the bottom of the page, under the quick-submit you'll find "Display posts from previous:" and a bunch of scrollboxes.

Just pick a player and you can read em in isolation (called ISO)

that was SO useful. thx again.

Hm. DN seems to have spammed more than stark, and many posts allow for an easier slip, I believe.

This makes no sense, given you have not pointed out any slips. Instead, you've explained why your vote should remain on Stark- DeathNote has posted more, and had more potential scope to slip.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@ben - Who is scum?

Didnt i just list DN, Stark and Vaya as probably scum.

You also listed kmd, spyrex and BM... and made them sound like higher suspects then the others

that was a joke..see kmd spryex and ddd, who i crossed out were scum in the game that just ended.. i tossed battle mage in there cuz that mofo needs to die!

Yeh, i'm expecting a surge of abuse, followed by your inevitable Mod-kill.

-0.5 to you.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: Tubby

Using the pact thing looks very much like a gambit to win my favour, and look protown based on MY meta. I did this in another game recently. Were you involved in that?

BM

[Battle Mage]

So lookin at the list page one.

Kaleidiscope
Alvin
and Rosso Carne need to post more/catchup, or asked to be replaced before replacement becomes impossible.

DGB also is probably scum. Lookin at a quick iso, i get the scum move of "i'm here" cause hes postingish to appear here, without really adding anything.

die in a fucking fire you fucktard

Request Modkill

@Benmage- Haha fair cop. Don't think i havent noticed the jumpiness either. My meta senses are tingling...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Vote Cass

for bringing up bad memories.

Daykill SpyreX

because that is how I roll.

---

If I were vig, I'd shoot Sociopath.

die in a fire n00B

what the fuck? shut up with the useless shit kthx.

So lookin at the list page one.

Kaleidiscope
Alvin
and Rosso Carne need to post more/catchup, or asked to be replaced before replacement becomes impossible.

DGB also is probably scum. Lookin at a quick iso, i get the scum move of "i'm here" cause hes postingish to appear here, without really adding anything.

die in a fucking fire you fucktard

Let's be nice now.

Those are 3 of his 4 posts, the first of whih saying solely "kill: VP Baltar".

And yet I've still posted more content than benmage.

Dont tell me how to play the game please.

lol. Twas a joke. Nonetheless,

FoS Rosso Carne

wtf? Ugh, back we go:

Unvote, Vote: Jordan

BM

[Battle Mage]

DGB and Stark feel town, although i disagree with the former's meta on the latter. Stark doesnt seem anywhere near as scummy here as i've seen him elsewhere. DGB-scum is normally fairly easy to spot. Currently, she seems to be playing the game.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Omfg. You can't cope without me for a few hours!?!?

Scummy as Jordan was, his claim makes no sense as scum, as he has no way of substantiating it. Therefore, bar a huge gambit that could leave him looking very silly, he's got to be town.

On the flipside, i'm less inclined to trust him after the lying. Obviously LaL is illogical, and his play made sense, but if he lied about that, i could potentially see this as a gambit. Hence the post where he says we need to think of someone else to lynch today. Following?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm on page 20 with my reread.

Currently, i'm happy to lynch Sajin, KMD, Plum or Dramonic today. Rather helpfully, none have any (serious) votes atm. So, any preferences?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Finished my read.

Vote: KMD

Obvscum. And Sajin is almost certainly his buddy.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'd say im about 94% sure KMD is scum. The only thing that gives me doubts is, when he was scum in Appenine, i didnt manage to nail him. Why would he be so obvious here?

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, why?

Vaya's vote on Jordan with no reasoning on Page 2 is a towntell. KMD pushing the "why Jordan and not Kise?" thing early on looks bad in light of Jordan's townflip. Could indicate a KMD-Kise scumpair. I dont like the way Benmage backed him up on this either. KMD only hops on the Vaya wagon after Stark does, which is scummy. Ben then follows his vote. 99 by Dramonic is not very logical. 103 makes me think Vaya's vote is null, and he is just over-confident. 109 by Sociopath is scummy - given he didnt mention Benmage being scummy until he was pushed on it. 113 by Benmage is completely inexplicable- since when did he become Anti-BW? 0.o'
115 by Plum doesn't look so bad on reflection. The phrase "case-by-case" is starting to bug me now. I wouldnt be too surprised if PRs were rife in this game. 131 by Benmage reads as genuine. 134 by KMD is BS. Quantity of posting was absolutely nothing to do with why we lost Appenine Mafia. Effectively, this equals his entire case on Benmage. 139 by Plum is unbelievably scummy. I'm intrigued as to whether KMD thinks Ben's reaction to his dayvig gambit was scummy. Personally, i dont think so. i dont understand why Dramonic is upset that KMD didnt kill Benmage... 166 by Socio is true. Dramonic believing Kise's claim despite everyone else realising it was probably bs, is scummy. 176 by Khan is very scummy. The third party comment by Dramonic isnt a big deal. It's consistent with suspecting that Deathnote did not get a clear-cut "town" or "mafia" PM. 187 by Plum- a slip? "Not town, IT WOULD SEEM". Is Khan uber-aggressive as town? Sociopath is feeling a bit like a narrator. 204 also suggests Plum knew that Deathnote was town. On inspection, the wagon on Stark is ridiculous. In the same manner DeathNote failed to read his role pm, why is it so hard to believe that Stark did the same? Sajin's explanation in 210 is very weak. 224- My God. Could Plum be any more obviously scum?! Benmage's reaction to the dayvig claim, is the greatest point in his favour. Lmao at 287. Benmage's questioning of my suspicion of Jordan is scummy. KMD's scumlist in 294 could be useful if he is scum. 2 of his 4 suspects have already flipped town- and im betting at least 1 of the others is his buddy. That's Benmage and Sajin. Vaya's adamant stance against my ultimatum reads as town. Milkshake's logic in 311 is very odd-seems to mimic that given by SB. SpyreX hopping back to Jordan is a towntell if Dramonic is town. 321 - KMD knows Deathnote is town? 325- KMD's meta comments are honest. Stark's lack of concession to the wagon is a towntell. 333 by Sajin is a humongous slip. Why has nobody picked up on this? Much as i dont like the way KMD is holding up the meta shield without any need to analyse further, i cant see any protown motivation for Sajin's post. 339 by Poptaj is good posting. Jordan flipping town is a slight towntell for Plum in light of 346, but i could still see him as buddies with KK. 351 - Benmage, are you claiming that you've never had a scum QT? Yeh, i dont like 352 by Tubby. Vollkan is cruising up till now. I dont agree with DGB's 402. Vollkan-KMD scumpair seems unlikely from Vollkan's sarcastic vote. 406 is another point against Sajin. 417 by KMD cleverly leaves the option of Vollkan being scum open. Dramonic doing another daykill is scummy, after all the previous comments about it being a towntell. Llama 442- Ben was referring to Appenine Mafia. 470 by Stark had me in stitches! lol

Page 20. Current LoS:

Scum: Sajin, KMD, Plum, Dramonic
To be watched: Benmage, Khan, Milkshake
Neutral: Everyone else.
Slightly town: Poptaj, Kise, Vaya, Llama
Town: Stark, VP Baltar, SnowBunny, DGB

482 by Cass is very scummy. Rosso Carne is outright lurking. Could be scum. DGB's posts on page 20 are top notch. 557 - Assuming Stark is town, KMD and Sajin are probably buddies. 568 is scummy. But this is a rather pointless exercise now, isnt it? I've noticed Dram has a tendency to ignore comments to him. Wtf is 619 about? 630 also seems like a massive slip. 645 - retarded, but not scummy? 680- Ben's DGB hate is ill-conceived. 685 - KMD and Sajin are definitely scumchums! haha 697 Milkshake goes a' fishin'. DGB's hop from KMD to Snow is hideously quick. 706 distancing? Could be a good read, but could be Milkshake-scum. Cass's stance on DeathNote is consistent. At the time of reading, i liked 723. 757 is lol. 760 by KMD is sheer bs. KMD comes off worst from the exchange with Sajin. So, i prefer a KMD lynch first. I like Dramonics 794. 820 by KMD is a pitifully weak response to SpyreX. 831 is a weak retort by Tubby. But probably town.

Page 34

That's what i've got so far.

BM

[Battle Mage]

This game and dodgeball share too much of a player-list. It's hard not to cross-post @_@

@BM: That was not a pleasant read. Try to put more space, it just looks clogged to hell.

It's not for you, it's for me. But seeing as you've read it- any comments?

I'm sorry, but I didn't post that. But I'm guessing you meant the accusation I did to Kise about he knowing there was a mafia QT, which, btw, everybody ignored... T_T

I thought I did comment on that, wondering if there was an instance in which scum didnt have a QT.

Ah sorry Ben. This is what i was referring to, but reading again, i think i was wrong. At the time, it sounded like you were implying that a mafia QT was surprising to you, and ofc, i know this shouldnt be the case.

@Milkshake - I disagree completely. The idea of cops investigating millers to confirm their sanity becoming mainstream, will almost certainly lead to stuff like Godfathers claiming Miller, and really screwing with things. It's a ridiculous suggestion, when some of the stuff that screws with cop investigations (Mafia Framers) would still be able to do so. And because cops of varying sanities arent all that common on MS, i dont think this is even an issue. My point was, it was interesting that you followed SB on this, despite the majority telling SB that her idea was foolish. Did you guys study at the same school of mafia?

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, the question to Vaya was legit. Vaya said the Jordan vote was just for the sake of wagoning and it was on the second largest wagon. When Stark voted, I figured a second vote would be good to add some pressure. Vaya answered pretty well, but hasn't done much since.

That kind of thing never really gets brought up, and yet here, you and Ben made it into a big issue. Ironically, your response was to wagon him to the grand total of...2 votes. You had already decided you were going to make a bit of a play with Vaya, even BEFORE he explained his vote was just an attempt to bandwagon, which is why the whole thing seems very forced.

No, Yaw's game was pretty bad as far as walls/spam/lurkers. Whether it's why we (the scum) won or not, it was a pretty hot topic in the postgame. Benmage saw that and I believe he tried to replicate it. Thanks for reminding me. I'd forgoten that point against Ben.

Haha, funny boy! Lurkers was obviously a key reason we lost. Spam was not. How on earth do you intend to support your claim that Benmage is deliberately LURKING?

Of course I think Ben's reaction to my fakekill was scummy. Didn't I say that a few times?

Needless to say, i completely disagree. And, if i recall correctly, you didnt feel so strongly at the time, as you did a couple of pages ago, when the issue was raised again.

Gonna make me open another window now so I can see what 321 was...

Spy, why so sure you were wrong about DeathNote?

How do you get me knowing DN to be town out of this? I was questioning Spy for turning around on his stance. I'm still going after DN at that point.

Looked like you were trying to pressure him on distancing from a town-wagon. That stance is consistent with you still being on the wagon.

417 by KMD cleverly leaves the option of Vollkan being scum open.

DGB, Volkan isn't bussing me. I'm town.

What is clever about that? Of course it's possible for him to be scum. He happens to be one of my biggest town reads so far, but I could be wrong.

Lol, on what grounds is Vollkan your biggest town read?

You've still yet to provide a satisfactory explanation for your inconsistent stance on Sajin.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Maybe it's a dumb idea, but the way in which SB was saying that cops should use her to test their investigations bothered me.

Could it be possible that it's some kind of trap? That she might have some kind of ability that does bad things to people who target her?

Milkshake agreed, so i think, unless they are incredibly stupid scumbuddies, it's null.

Just following this page alone, i'm rather amused at the quantity of heat Benmage is getting, yet he doesnt has a single vote. I'd call bussing, but normally scum being bussed struggles, and Ben has answered well.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I need to look at this kmd thing closer, as on the surface I support a tubby or even a cass lynch before his, without too much hesitation.

The kmd lynch seems fine, tho i'd prefer DGB, Vaya, Stark or Battle Mage.

So I have to back down quickly now?

One of my suspects is laughing at my pushed, one is AWOL. Neither of those things is going to make me drop it.

where did i suggest you have to back down??

Sounded like "I have comprimsied, why cant you" when you look at the placement of your vote, and your suspicions.

Which has no relation to what you said.

It looks to me like you were basically trying to persuade Llama to accept a lynch which he has professed to consider sub-optimal on the basis that you also had to 'compromise'

I dont agree with these interpretations. It simply sounded like he was getting his thoughts down. Vollkan's line of interrogation is ridiculously contrived.

FoS: Vollkan

BM

[Battle Mage]

Snow_Bunny, benmage, and SocioPath would make great lynches today.

Kmd4390, I'm not sold on. I only have a town meta for him and he's playing along the lines of that town meta.

not sold on? You dont sound too convinced either way. Sitting on the fence?

BM

[Battle Mage]

shit, just flicked to see we have lots more pages, and are at -4.

Unvote

BM

[Battle Mage]

-3. I cant count. -.-

BM

[Battle Mage]

I am The Rats. Special type. Self-aligned. My power is the thing that I'm not saying, but will catch the SK. Win condition is that I win when someone (I don't know their alignment) is lynched. If people want me to even say who that is in order to stay alive, I will. They could still be scum, so I don't mind saying who it is.

oh.

Vote: KMD

A...neutral claim? lol

Your roleclaim seems to comprise 2 distinct mechanics:

1. You can catch the SK.
2. You need to get someone lynched. NB: This person is

NOT

the SK. It is logical to assume this person is town, so if you are telling the truth, you should claim this person before we lynch you.

As it is, the 2 points dont make sense together. Why would a lyncher NEED, or even WANT to catch an SK? Where's the incentive for you to use your ability at night?

Frankly it just seems like an attempt to make it look like you can be useful. In practice, your claim makes no sense- and if it was true, you would undoubtedly claim to have found the SK on Day 2, we lynch that player, and then turns out to be your lyncher-target.

Heh, even the worst case scenario is pretty good.

BM

[Battle Mage]

KMD can hang now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

well, KK's death is kinda obvious: Tajo mustve been a vig
also, stump is unlikely, we still have 23 votes for 22 players

Really? My first reaction was that we have at least one other neutral "The Rats" which are like SK's. Otherwise i dont understand the link between Poptaj and KMD.

What does "treestumped" mean?

I'm not really sure where to go today. My 3 main suspects that are still alive, were all on the wagon yesterday, so i doubt they are Mafia. Next on the list is Milkshake, and although his early interaction with KK is a bit fishy, his posts gives me a generally innocent townie-vibe.

I'd like to see SnowBunny weigh in.

BM

BM

[Battle Mage]

It looks like Spryrex is indeed still alive. I'm sure that the scum that tried to kill him have a lot of questions.

I agree with dramonic. Good job tajo.

FoS: DGB

Simply because i dont agree with either of your stances here. The Tajo-Vig theory doesnt compute, and i dont see any reason to think that SpyreX is town, or that he was even killed. Where are you getting your conclusions from exactly?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Chamber made me scratch my head. SC made me lose it.

Vote: SerialClergyman

Not infallible, but a good start.

BM

[Battle Mage]

yeh, i'm not buying SpyreX not knowing about this either...

BM

[Battle Mage]

@Sajin:

Your question doesn't make sense unless its a different way of saying "Did you kill yourself?" Which, of course, the answer is no. Something happened.

And SB playing coy makes me think something is amiss with what I tried to do to them.

So, lets lay this out all properlike:

I am an Alchemist. Each night I can give someone one of my myriad of potions (and there's alot of them). Of course they're all nice and colored... but not labeled. So I have no idea what my potions can do (but based on colors I can take somewhat of a guess).

Last night I tried to give my BLACK potion to SB. Yea, thats right, I tried to (I hoped) kill the miller.

Yet, somehow I killed myself. Which means either SB did some kinda reflexive business or something truly fishy is going on.

Unvote, Vote: Snow_Bunny

I made it pretty clear I did something to SB and the coy act doesn't do any good.

erm, wierd as that is, i dont see why it implicates SB, when everyone here has an ability of some sort.

I like the Rosso wagon. I'm less keen on DGB's recent posting.

Unvote, Vote: Rosso Carne

BM

[Battle Mage]

@BM:

I threw a black potion at SB and got flavor of killing myself.

Riddle me how that doesn't implicate SB.

Maybe you were roleblocked. Maybe you were bus drivered. Maybe the black potion DID do something, and the dying was completely unrelated. See, your claim is believable in and of itself, but the conclusions you are trying to encourage us to draw from it, don't add up.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm assuming I'm dead come night (no reason, just intuition at the fact I'm in essence a ghost).

And BM's new "maybe what you're piecing together with the logic you have versus adding in wild additional variables" doesn't make me very happy.

Considering KK was all over the miller claim being fake and the whole "cops check here kthx" I could see some kind of elaborate bus. Double considering that BM is defending a miller makes even less sense.

So, what are you suggesting? I'm scum that somehow ghosted myself and am using it to try and kill a miller? Or..?

I want SB dead. If SB is scum I want BM dead.

Lol, is this OMGUSville? I'm bored now. So let me put it like this. If you aren't dead tomorrow, you will be lynched.

Ftr, the ghosting could be completely unrelated to your alignment. Much as the whole "not really dying" rings as the kind of thing i would give to a scum role, the worst point against you, is your attitude to the whole thing.

BM

[Battle Mage]

So, what are you suggesting? I'm scum that somehow ghosted myself and am using it to try and kill a miller? Or..?

If you're talking to me, I'm not suggesting anything. I'm pretty happy with your post. The dead-next-night thing seems plausible... it's also very easily testable if we wait.

He was talking to me. And i agree that we can give him another day. But i see no value in lynching SB based on this.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I wouldn't be fine with a Spyrex lynch because he's town.

How confident are you of this?

BM

[Battle Mage]

unvote tubby, vote: SpyreX

because I still think his claim is bad. Hopefully DGB doesn't go berserk...

Unfortunately, I only have one vote and cannot vote all the people rushing to lynch what is, in essence, a confirmed townie - because anyone with two brain cells to rub together has got to know that the attempt on Spyrex didn't come from town, but from scum.

Therefore, he is pretty much confirmed town.

* Thank you for reminding me of why I wanted to retire in the first place, and making me regret my decision to play again. *

Haha,

Unvote, Vote: SpyreX

I hope there's room on this wagon for me?

The potion-flavour claim is believable, but doesn't really lean one way or the other on alignment. My gut feeling is that SpyreX is scum, whose ability is to "appear to die", because the typical reaction to those type of situations is "let's give that guy a bit of slack from now on". I've used a similar mechanic in a game i modded recently, and you'll be unsurprised to learn-that player was scum. An alternative slant could be that SpyreX is exactly what he says he is - a poisoner with 1 shot NK immunity. Perhaps his potion really did backfire, but the fact he himself isnt dead, if because he is NK immune. Thats a characteristic more commonly associated with scum than town. Spy's reaction was NOT genuine surprise coming into today.

On the flipside, if Spyrex is town, his role seems pretty bastardly anyway. Worst case scenario, we arent losing a massively powerful role.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Then again, if his claim is bogus (as at least Papa Zito and me think it might be, although DGB disagrees vehemently), SpyreX could have done anything

Well, yes, anything could have happened, but if you truly believed that they you'd have no reason to lean one way or the other. No scum worth their salt is going to try and kill a claimed miller who is actively under suspicion because it is an easy mislynch. That fact is far more relevant that whatever half-cocked theory you are trying WIFOM.

No, i think what Milkshake is trying to say, is that SpyreX-scum might NOT have attempted to kill SB. SpyreX-scum might not have targetted SB atall!

@VP Balter
Could you explain why this note you received leads you to suspect Benmage is a SK? I don't see how you're reaching that conclusion.

If we have any reason to believe Kmd's claim that he had two win conditions, which I think we may now that he has flipped truthfully, then we know that he had two win conditions 1) Lynch Sajin, or failing that 2) Lynch the SK. We know that Benmage is not Sajin, so if the note is true, then Benmage would be the SK.

Erm, you've lost me. We're trusting KMD's word, WHY?

An alternative slant could be that SpyreX is exactly what he says he is - a poisoner with 1 shot NK immunity. Perhaps his potion really did backfire, but the fact he himself isnt dead, if because he is NK immune.

Um, he never claimed to be NK immune as far as I know.

I agree that spyrex should give his full flavor however. In for a penny, in for a pound.

Duh. So the logical conclusion, if he is NK immune, is that he is scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I just thought of something. Spyrex, could your survival be the result of you being targetted by a player whose power allows you to survive an attempt on your life?

I can think of three possibilities. One, a scum bus driver switched you with the claimed miller. Two, SB is lying and can reflect actions against her. Three, your potion was not a vig power, and the scum tried to kill you. Any other possibility?

Omfg! :S

1 is ridiculously stupid. 2 is conceivable. 3 is highly unlikely.

HoS: DGB

Why are you stretching so hard to defend Spy?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Duh. So the logical conclusion, if he is NK immune, is that he is scum.

READ THE GAME

Come on

You're smarter than that.

READ THE GAME

You're an experienced player

There is no excuse for you to make that statement if you're town.

Lol, PLEASE.

The way i'm seeing it, you aren't looking objectively at SpyreX. You are setting out with the assumption that he is town, and trying desperately to find a way of proving it to persuade the rest of us. WHY are you defying logic to defend him?

Coz seriously, if you have a genuine reason for thinking SpyreX is town, now is the time to spit it out. If not, stop playing the appeal to emotion card on me.

My vote would be on you right now, if it werent for Milkshake also having role-based information that refutes SpyreX's claim.

BM

[Battle Mage]

christ...no idea when ill have time to catch up here. 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

Oooh ooh! I'm killing people!!

I touched you, VP Baltar, right on your sneaky face.

I can't imagine it's a coincidence that both people I've touched have died of natural causes, so looks like I'm a killer of some kind. Although noone actually dies, they just get zombified or whatever. Either way, there's zero reason to suspect that in my role PM (just re-read it and there's nothing about zombifying the people you touch) and I'm definitely council-aligned, so do with the info what you will.

Does anyone have a role that might interract with the natural causes people?

Hmm, this game is really intriguing. My most pressing question would be:

SpyreX - Have you retained your ability?

Also SC, have u already paraphrased your role? If so, could you link me, and if not, could you do so? Thanks.

I read up a bit of the end of yesterday last night, but there's alot of complicated interacting roleclaims out there.

Will post more when we've dealt with SC's claim.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok, so how exactly does the blocking work?

i.e. are you saying SpyreX would have been unable to do his potion thing last night, but will be able to do so on future nights? Is this linked to whether you "keep" the ability or not? Or should SpyreX have been blocked on the night you targetted him? Likewise, VP last night?

I want to look into the circumstances behind your claim, but currently i'm gonna take it at face value -

Vote: SC

BM

[Battle Mage]

the...causer of weep. xD roflmao

Funniest roleclaim ever.

BM

[Battle Mage]

will catch up properly tomorrow, god speed!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Tomorrow i WILL catch up here.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Last time he made an actual LoS was on page 20 =_=;

Then tell me, when was the last time i made an LoS anywhere else on site?

I'm only in 3 games atm, and the other 2 are moving reasonably SLOWLY. Here, we had a spell of several pages per day, and when you lose touch in a mafia game which isnt slowing down, it isnt easy to catch up.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Have Plum and Vaya claimed to have targetted someone last night? I demand that we know the true name of the alleged "Causer of Weep"! lmfao

BM

[Battle Mage]

Dramonic's posting is horrible once again today. I don't like Elmo's emotiveness either. A 1-shot Cop ability is feasible in a game like this, so as not to unbalance it. And if SB-scum recieved said ability, the fact she used it on someone dead is of detriment to her, as opposed to in her favour. The circumstances around Milkshake's claim are less protown, now i reread. She claimed something that would explain Kise's claimed guilty on her, not realising that he was just testing the waters. The roleclaim is also completely unworkable.

So consider Dramonic and Milkshake atop my list.

BM

[Battle Mage]

His arguement is terrible though. If his two other games are going real slow he ought to focus on the one that's moving fast =_=

No, because i'd already fallen too far behind. And there's no point dipping in and out after that happens.

Vote: Dramonic

You bore me now. And Chamber is spot on. I'm retiring from MS after my 3 games finish.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Is the data literally going to be "This is how many people voted for X"? lol

*Goes back to reading*

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok, based on my LoS, and subsequent flips and comments, i'd say my 3rd suspect is Plum. KK flipping Mafia reflects badly on her, and my case on Sajin is undermined by KMD flipping non-Mafia. That said, her claim could get her out of trouble. If she and Vaya need to be tested, Plum should go first. Then again, meta-wise, im less sure.

Eh, a fullclaim will resolve this either way.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok, based on my LoS, and subsequent flips and comments, i'd say my 3rd suspect is Plum. KK flipping Mafia reflects badly on her, and my case on Sajin is undermined by KMD flipping non-Mafia. That said, her claim could get her out of trouble. If she and Vaya need to be tested, Plum should go first. Then again, meta-wise, im less sure.

Eh, a fullclaim will resolve this either way.

BM

Is that a call for a fullclaim, my friend?

DRAMONIC: Yesterday everyone put Milk in the 'prob Town if Tubby is telling the truth due to the Hider claim' bin. You KNEW that Milk was untargetable Night 1 and thus that Tubby's Hide attempt proved nothing about Milk's alignment. WHY did you not speak up about this???

Lol, who did you target last night?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Elmo, and she was RB'ed by dram.

why would you target Elmo? Also, why would Dram block Plum?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Who claimed to be the "Causer of Weep"?

BM

[Battle Mage]

SP? I think. One of the damn million "town" roleblockers running around.

Ok. Plum, Vaya, Why would you not have targetted HIM last night? That rolename is so obviously BS it's hilarious. xD

BM

[Battle Mage]

I kinda figure Plum, Vaya, Socio as town right now. I didn't especially want Plum's partner to claim, but I figure with Vaya out, she's likely town; VayaPlumScum can happily have that gambit paid of for the short term, as far as I'm concerned. I don't see any particular reason for a fullclaim unless Plum/Vaya want to.

If i recall correctly, they do not have alignment confirmation of each other. Therefore, it's quite feasible that one is anti-town, especially given the role doesn't ring as particularly protown. I think we can give them another Day or 2, but after that, we will need to reassess. Ofc, if they dont investigate Sociopath tonight, i will happily string them up tomorrow.

BM

[Battle Mage]

who claimed that rolestealer thingy?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Jeez you people post a lot.

Vote Count (Page 100, Day 3)

milkshake

-3 (dramonic, Plum, tubby216)
dramonic -3 (Snow_Bunny, Papa Zito, Battle Mage)
Papa Zito -2 (LlamaFluff, chamber )
Snow_Bunny -2 (Elmo )
Sajin -2 (Benmage, stark)
SerialClergyman -1 ( VP Baltar)
tubby216 -1 (SocioPath)
chamber -1 (SpyreX)
Benmage -1 (Kise)
Snow_Bunny -1 (milkshake)

Not Voting:

SerialClergyman, Sajin, Vaya

This is terrible, just terrible. We need a real wagon, people. Let's get more dramonic votes ITT.

Also, my both of my other two top suspects are voting with me. I don't know what to think of that.

Erm, i'm one of your top suspects? Spill it, kiddo!

BM

[Battle Mage]

May I be told why I'm number one on your lynch list Elmo?

This is ridiculous. Dramonic needs to die asap.

I'm clearly gonna get confused between SP and SC...

Has SC claimed who he stole from last night? Or has he kept VPB's role?

BM

[Battle Mage]

eh, a Sajin lynch is alright, but can we string Dramonic up today please? We can deal with Sajin and the gruesome twosome tomorrow.

I intend to read back and see who put Vaya on their scumlist and not Plum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Erm, i'm one of your top suspects? Spill it, kiddo!

BM

You've been remarkable non-committal. The endless series of "I'm catchin up, honest injun" has caught my attention. The Dramonic vote is A+ tho and it looks like you're catching up (?) now.

Ha, so goes the recent trend.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I do not mind claiming, but I want to see a case and a reason for every vote on me. Not doing so is extremely scummy.

Ugh, obviously you didnt get the memo. This is hilariously scummy.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I do not mind claiming, but I want to see a case and a reason for every vote on me. Not doing so is extremely scummy.

Ugh, obviously you didnt get the memo. This is hilariously scummy.

BM

So you would have me lynched before I can even give my information out?

Actually, i wasnt voting for you. I prefer a Dramonic wagon today. But, seeing as you're so desperate to play the martyr, i'll bite.

Unvote, Vote: Sajin

Tomorrow, his buddy Benmage shall hang.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Tomorrow, his buddy Benmage shall hang.

BM

And how do you deduce that one almighty deducer.

Sajin, about to hang, tries to save his arse with a bogus claim.
The bogus claim relies on being confirmed by you.
Therefore, unless he is setting this up as WIFOM, he must have been hoping you would lie for him.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Tomorrow, his buddy Benmage shall hang.

BM

And how do you deduce that one almighty deducer.

Sajin, about to hang, tries to save his arse with a bogus claim.
The bogus claim relies on being confirmed by you.
Therefore, unless he is setting this up as WIFOM, he must have been hoping you would lie for him.

BM

And if I was his partner, why wouldn't I?

Because his claim is poor, and you'd rather preserve your own life, than get tied up in it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wow, I can't believe I was wrong about Sajin. Check the first post everyone, The Giver is female.

Vote: Sajin

Haha nice. Not to mention, the additional fact that SpyreX had already accounted to SB recieving the Cop ability. Whoops! xD

Confirm Vote: Sajin

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wow, I can't believe I was wrong about Sajin. Check the first post everyone, The Giver is female.

Vote: Sajin

Haha nice. Not to mention, the additional fact that SpyreX had already accounted to SB recieving the Cop ability. Whoops! xD

Confirm Vote: Sajin

BM

Actually SpryeX and SB is just another vague thing we don't really know a way to confirm. And Vaya was just shown that the giver has been called a he and her by the mod...so we're waiting on that one.

That's of little consequence to me. SpyreX has already accounted for the Cop ability with SB. if SB did NOT recieve an ability when SpyreX used the potion, then SpyreX is lying, therefore either he or Sajin must be scum.

But nice slide into a bussing vote after delaying for so long.

Nice OMGUS, based on nothing more than the fact i called you out in the exact same thing.

BM

[Battle Mage]

So the same action on the same person the same night and you didn't question me about that? Just about the fact I'm dead.

I'm glad my mom/dad isn't a hermaphrodite

Lets get this party started.

THANK-YOU!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Benmage, explain what you meant by "after delaying for so long". With quotes.

BM

[Battle Mage]

The mod did clarify male, then in a later PM clarified female and admitted to typos. Father is not mentioned in my PM that is my paraphrasing which I assumed to be male. I do not see anyone believing this until I flip though.

Whatever, I am The Unknown. My ability type is listed as ???. I targeted Snowbunny and Benmage as claimed. The flavor behind my role is not very strong at all so I added to it. I really do not know what my ability does. In fact it probably does nothing and I am a vanilla of the setup. Which makes sense with KMD wanting to lynch me and kill Benmage. Makes me believe Benmage more as I strongly believe KMD was a multiple part lyncher.

New suspects:

Battlemage is trying to draw a false 1v1 between myself and spyrex. That is extremely scummy. Also he picked up participation now that he was called out on it.

OMGUS, but what more could i expect? I think you're more worried that i'm the only one who has pointed out that Ben might be your buddy.
And ftr, i've "picked up participation" because the game slowed down for a while, and because im now down to 2 games, i had the time to read up a bit.

VP is likely town this game. SC is depending on what he does with VP's ability. Watch him for it. Also SC I think you should steal BM's ability.

*facepalm*

BM

[Battle Mage]

yep, i've caught up. Hammer away folks!

BM

[Battle Mage]

The mod did clarify male, then in a later PM clarified female and admitted to typos. Father is not mentioned in my PM that is my paraphrasing which I assumed to be male. I do not see anyone believing this until I flip though.

Whatever, I am The Unknown. My ability type is listed as ???.

Only 3 question marks. Lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

rofl

BM

[Battle Mage]

@Chamber- Excellent. Share with the class? Before and after please.

If I am going to be misslynched today I am going to make damn sure everyone on my wagon is accountable.

Cases are scummy

QFAT. Chamber is my new hero.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also I would like to point out that BM called my role BS before I claimed, called it BS after I claimed and somewhere in the middle insisted I was CCing Spyrex so that he could push Spyrex tomorrow. This implies that he knows what I will flip.

Vote: BattleMage

Is this a confession? Lmao

BM

[Battle Mage]

I don't see any reason for a massclaim today.

VP Baltar was the last one to be targetted by SC right? Presumably the SC kill implicates him, and confirms previous targets as innocent.

Sajin is obvscum.

But first and foremost, Plum and Vaya need to claim their target from last night.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Has Plum/Vaya claimed their result yet?

Stark's claim is likely bs. If you felt Tubby was breadcrumbing very early on that he was looking for you, why would you not target him before now?

Finally, there is no merit to me claiming atm. Although, in fairness, i've yet to see a good reason given for ANYBODY to claim now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Has Plum/Vaya claimed their result yet?

Stark's claim is likely bs. If you felt Tubby was breadcrumbing very early on that he was looking for you, why would you not target him before now?

Finally, there is no merit to me claiming atm. Although, in fairness, i've yet to see a good reason given for ANYBODY to claim now.

BM

1. For PlumVaya to share their result before a massclaim is stupid. There is no good reason for that. +5 Scumpoints

1. Don't play dense. Plum/Vaya can either confirm or deny the "Causer of Weep" claim. That's the FIRST THING we needed to do today.

2. Have you read the game? I have had it out for tubby for a long long time. +12 Scumpoints

2. Lol, have you investigated him, and found him to be cult? Because i dont think you claimed you had. And assuming you havent, my question is, why not, given you are a Cult-Cop, and have felt he was cop for 3(?) nights now?

3. With the introduction of a cult into the town's scum-o-dometer, we need to take full diagnostic of our pool. Massclaim is how you do it.

Lol, ok, once you hang, we'll look at the possibility of a cult. In the meantime, i think you're just rolefishing.

I'm actually appalled that anyone is buying this claim. You're claiming Cult Cop, who has a top suspect on Day 1, but hasnt investigated him yet, choosing to take stabs in the dark instead?
You're claiming that the existence of a Cult is a reason for us to mass-claim today, but have not explained why you are choosing to do this now, when you have provided no useful information from your investigations so far.

I've seen how you roll, and i think there's a good shot you're scum here.

Unvote, Vote: Stark

You should start thinking of a fakeclaim. Maybe you can be the Pleased Pulsating Pelican?

OMG, you guessed my actual role! That's so freaky! xD lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

@ All the Converters

I propose a truce. The cult is as much of a problem to us as it is to you. You're down two members, so a cult is the last thing you want to deal with. The town won't pursue the Converters for as long as we're dealing with the Cult.

Lmao. Gogo Hollywood!

If dramonic was telling the truth about the Converters being non-violent ergo not responsible for the death of the Giver, then we're on the same side.

Lovely. You expect us to believe Dramonic...why?

I should also mention that my investigations will only produce results for members of the Cult. If I investigate a converter, it's going to show up the same as a member of the town.

Therefore there's no point in killing me. It looks like PZ was the only one who could successfully investigate you.

I'm not sure if ur trying to set up some kind of WIFOM here, or are a 3rd party, actually trying to discourage the mafia from killing you.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I forgot to mention as well that as a part of my ability, I am immune to brainwashing/the effect of Cava.

Cava...as in, wine? 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

hey, battlemage, so your feeling is that we shouldn't lynch tubby today, right?

I'm favouring a Stark lynch atm. But we need to resolve the Plum/Vaya situation before the day is out. What's the problem with Tubby? sketchy Hider-claim?

BM

[Battle Mage]

That's a good point.

Can we have BM claim, lynch Tubby, and go to bed?

I am about 97% sure that he is alligned with tubby. Who is cult.

Lol, i'd love to be in a cult with Tubby.

But id also love every single player here to explain why they AREN'T voting for Stark.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wow. I am impressed. A 5x multipost chainsaw assault to save your leader. You go girl. Pulling out all the stops.

Plum/Vaya can either confirm or deny the "Causer of Weep" claim. That's the FIRST THING we needed to do today

This is not correct. Dealing with a cult is always priority. Always. Unfailingly.

This assumes you are telling the truth.

Lol, have you investigated him, and found him to be cult? Because i dont think you claimed you had. And assuming you havent, my question is, why not, given you are a Cult-Cop, and have felt he was cop for 3(?) nights now?

I suspected him as a converter before. It wasn't until recently that I put the pieces together and pegged him as cult.

If you did a reread, have u got notes to back it up? Note that this does not tie in with your answer to me in a previous post.

Lol, ok, once you hang, we'll look at the possibility of a cult. In the meantime, i think you're just rolefishing.

Yeah, I'm rolefishing a game where more than half the players are already claimed. Good job.

Exactly. So why not drop the arrogant tone, and just be up front about it?

I've seen how you roll, and i think there's a good shot you're scum here.

I've seen you too, BM. This is what you look like as scum. This is not how I look as scum.

Hahaha! Sorry kiddo, but u got it the wrong way round. You're a smart guy, and this bs reads as a smart fakeclaim. However, somebody told me that you're pretty useless as town. So actual participation is your scum meta. And you think i'm playing to my scum meta here? I'm listening.

I hope that you all noticed how BM jumped out of

NOWHERE

to vehemently defend tubby after he's accused of being cult leader. I think that in itself is the most telling aspect to this case.

Appeal to Authority.

Tubby is dying today. That's not up for debate.

Right. Well, before he does, mr Cult Cop, sir, can you please explain why Tubby tried to "recruit" Papa Zito last night?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Stark is still alive?

vp buddied/ supported stark for no reason other than vp doesn't like the fat guy

yer, I've never seen such an accurate appeal to emotion. Sounded like an air tight case at the time.

@Spyrex-Yeah, I popcorned BM, but at this point it is pretty safe to assume he is scum just not logging in to the thread cause he doesn't want to claim. He's tomorrow's lynch, so I'm cool with whoever goes next. I'm getting bored really fast waiting to fulfill my apparent hatred of "the fat guy", so people should really get on with the claiming business.

Lol, i havent logged in for, what, 2 days?
Given this is my only site commitment now, i dont think that is too shocking, do you?

I was almost considering claiming, but now i won't bother. Stark is almost certainly scum, and i'm leaning town on Tubby. Will respond to any other queries now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

^seriously how do you even function in day to day life with thinking like that

if i were a recruiter i would have evidence of the drug on me. Since according to stark I use this drug to convert people.

however the point is he supposedly suspected me from day 1 but never bothered to investigate me. Let alone get a null result on me.

It says in my pm that I can detect altered minds. I don't think a CL's mind is going to be altered in the same way a recruits would be.

Why did you not say this when you were first asked about it?

BM

[Battle Mage]

For the record I am not sold on the cult theory at all. Tubby's claim is making absolutely no sense so it gets my vote.

I find that Plum was wanting to not pressure Battlemage becuase of Tubby most interesting now though considering tubby is likely not really a hider.

@Spyrex- I think scum wanted to get rid of the other kill and this had far less to do with me. Your ignoring the fact that dramonic was on my wagon and trying to use a statement that shows he was going after the other kill to convince others he was defending me. What are your thoughts on Plum and Battlemage?

I didnt read the claimed mechanic behind Tubby's role. He claimed to hide behind a dead guy? Yes, that reeks of fakeclaim. lmao

If you are not sold on the cult theory, why are you not voting Stark?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Battle mage sure is taking a long time typing up his fake claim. This should be good.

Yep, ill be a rebel. Anyone paying attention would be able to suss my role out anyway. xD

@Tubby - cheers bud!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wow. I am impressed. A 5x multipost chainsaw assault to save your leader. You go girl. Pulling out all the stops.

Plum/Vaya can either confirm or deny the "Causer of Weep" claim. That's the FIRST THING we needed to do today

This is not correct. Dealing with a cult is always priority. Always. Unfailingly.

Stark

- If you believed this to be the case, why did you not claim on DAY 1, and cut the cult off at the knees?

Lol, have you investigated him, and found him to be cult? Because i dont think you claimed you had. And assuming you havent, my question is, why not, given you are a Cult-Cop, and have felt he was cop for 3(?) nights now?

I suspected him as a converter before. It wasn't until recently that I put the pieces together and pegged him as cult.

Stark

- Really? Because just a few posts ago, you claimed the real reason was:

It says in my pm that I can detect altered minds. I don't think a CL's mind is going to be altered in the same way a recruits would be.

I'm going to check the timestamps of this later claim. Suffice to say, you aren't exactly keeping your story consistent.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Reading through Starks posts in iso is intriguing. On the one hand, my suspicion about the timestamps was unfounded-if Stark is lying about the wording of his role pm, he corrected himself, at least before i questionned it.
On the other hand, i spotted this glaring inconsistency:

Ok, it's definitely Massclaim time.

How should we order ourselves? Popcorn?

I also have very very important information that I'm not revealing until after the Massclaim.

Very important information? This is BEFORE you breadcrumbed working out Tubby was the CR. What important information did you have then? The existence of a cult? That isnt news, it's Day 4 for crying out loud. The fact you have 1 successful investigation? Doubtful.

Whoopsy! xD

Vote stands.

BM

[Battle Mage]

So actual participation is your scum meta.

.....

Were you in Mafia 92? I'm pretty sure you experienced how I behave as scum there first hand. Because we were partners. There was exactly 0 participation on my part in that game as scum.

Wrong Wrong wrong wrong WRONG! 0.o

You played exactly as you needed to there, except your f**k up with the night choices. You played deliberately scummy in order to get a Cop investigation, because you were investigation immune. You were the second most active of the players who made it to endgame, and participated far more than i did.

Oh, also, BM iso post 38 says:

Stark doesnt seem anywhere near as scummy here as i've seen him elsewhere.

Hmmm.... Where have you seen me elsewhere....

This was the game where we were both scumbuddies. If you recall, it was the point at which you had been trying to induce a cop investigation, but i hadnt realised, and just thought you were the worst scumbag in the world. This led me to believe you were town here. Ofc, later, i realised that you were more intelligent than that.

Appeal to Authority.

BM. Your posts this game have fallen into one of two categories. They have been either snappy 1-liners, or you promising to catch up.

Incorrect. My activity here has not been consistent, but when i've been able to post, i've posted well. Not that i have any aversion to "snappy 1-liners", but i have put some degree of effort in. You would know this, if you had been active for the duration.

That in itself does not bother me. I'm fine with that.

Aww shucks, you're gonna make me blush!

What bothers me is that the minute that tubby, a player with whom you have had little to no interaction with the whole game, is implicated as a possible cult leader, you explode with sophist venom. You look like a textbook recruit trying to save his leader. Appeal to Authority or not, this is my observation.

Haha, ok man, hows this: Make me eat my words. If you hang and flip cult cop, i owe you an apology. However, right now, you just need to hang.

Right. Well, before he does, mr Cult Cop, sir, can you please explain why Tubby tried to "recruit" Papa Zito last night?

PZ claimed cop. I am a cop. I had no desire to counterclaim, obv obv, even though having 3.5 investigative roles is a bit strange.

I wanted to make sure that if PZ survived the night, (which I was assuming he was going to, because I would assume he would be no.1 candidate for protection) that he was town as far as I could prove.

Wtf are you responding to hear? You just completely ignored my comment, and apparently answered the question that you WISH i had asked. lol...

Confirm Vote: Stark

I see you Milkshake. You can answer the above question too if you like.

BM

[Battle Mage]

also, you claim that you investigation last nite was on PZ,
PZ claimed cop who caught scum, ie, dram

why would you even target PZ??


i think stark is scum and killed PZ last nite, I also think this cult thing is a cover up.

I think there is no cult

Bro, i'm still having a bit of trouble with your claim. You're a hider, but you dont die when the person you hide behind is killed?
Eh, either way, Stark must be lying, and if Stark is scum, you are probably town. But please explain how exactly your role works, if that is indeed your actual role.

BM

[Battle Mage]

also, you claim that you investigation last nite was on PZ,
PZ claimed cop who caught scum, ie, dram

why would you even target PZ??

I thought Stark investigated PZ because, since PZ claimed cop, cult would try to recruit PZ, and so if Stark's thing resolved after the recruitment (which I don't know if it does or not), PZ could very well turn up as cult...

Stark should answer this. But your explanation for him targetting PZ is illogical- about as illogical as having a cult in a game where everyone has a power role. xD lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

And that's what a lazy mind will get you kids.

I'm markedly unimpressed. You think Stark-Cult Cop really believed that PZ could be Cult, who fluked claiming a guilty on a mafia member?

That has to be the stupidest thing i've EVER heard in a mafia game. All the more appalling because someone of your ability is buying into it. 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

@BM, you can't just say my reasoned explanation is illogical without explaining why.

Actually i can. And erm, i have.

But, because i'm feeling nice, i'll help you out. Cults recruiting non-vanillas is generally avoided by Moderators, because it either leads to complications with cults having power roles- and cults in this situation will almost inevitably win, or the town losing a large proportion of it's power roles due to recruitment. Alternatives include having certain roles that are recruitable, and some that arent, but again, this is unlikely. The kind of setup you are alleging, is one where the Cult Recruiter is effectively a Cop, right? Or, are you saying he can recruit Converters too?

The whole thing is just too ridiculous for words. But i guess its misleading to say the main logical flaw is you defending his cult-copping of PZ. The real logical failure, is assuming he is cult-cop in the first place.

BM

[Battle Mage]

also, you claim that you investigation last nite was on PZ,
PZ claimed cop who caught scum, ie, dram

why would you even target PZ??


i think stark is scum and killed PZ last nite, I also think this cult thing is a cover up.

I think there is no cult

Bro, i'm still having a bit of trouble with your claim. You're a hider, but you dont die when the person you hide behind is killed?
Eh, either way, Stark must be lying, and if Stark is scum, you are probably town. But please explain how exactly your role works, if that is indeed your actual role.

BM

here is what i am saying

roles resolve at different times, these times are left up to the mod to decide how and when they resolve. i think its possible my hide failed. I do not recieve any pms on wether or not my attempts are succesful. only that the mod recieved my targeting pm.

my pm states i only die when i have chosen to hide behind a conveter. that is all i know.

Then, that means you arent a hider at all, correct? You're simply a weak Cop. Pretty shite role, but makes a fair bit of sense in a set up like this.

Easy to disprove though. Has anyone else recieved a PM saying they got roleblocked?

BM

[Battle Mage]

The giver was killed by the "strangling" kill, which has been present each night. If the cult killed the Giver, they have a nightkill. I'd consider the idea that the cult may not be a Mafia Cult.. I have difficulty seeing how a recruiting cult works in a power role game.

It has crossed my mind that we may have a cult in some form similar to Vi's Mentor role. It is basically a cult with limited recruitment and an NK. It would explain why there was no strangulation on night 1 if it wasn't blocked. It would also explain how a "cult" could fit in with all powerroles.

Ok, allow me to play devil's advocate. What is the best fakeclaim for a Cult recruit?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Yes, that's an explanation for why there isn't a cult not an explanation for why Stark wouldn't target PZ...

i guess its misleading to say the main logical flaw is you defending his cult-copping of PZ. The real logical failure, is assuming he is cult-cop in the first place.

It isn't just misleading, it's wrong. But it's what you originally said! You thought you could get away with it, is why you said it. ^^

No, kiddo.
I'm afraid if you look back, you'll see i corrected myself within the post. Why so desperate to latch onto my chain of thought style posting?

BM

[Battle Mage]

And that's what a lazy mind will get you kids.

I'm markedly unimpressed. You think Stark-Cult Cop really believed that PZ could be Cult, who fluked claiming a guilty on a mafia member?

That has to be the stupidest thing i've EVER heard in a mafia game. All the more appalling because someone of your ability is buying into it. 0.o

BM

I'm not saying it was a good night choice, but the explanation is at least plausible.

Haven't you got any experience playing with Stark? I strongly suggest you meta him. Then you will see where i'm coming from. He is scum here, you can bet ur ass on it.

Much more so than tubby's "I hid with the dead guy and yet here I am because I live in a magical make believe world where a kill resolves before a hide".

This is Tubby lol. You cant try and apply normal rules to him. I wouldnt be surprised if its a fakeclaim, but if it is, he should clarify soon i think. Your suggestion is that the claim is too unbelievable to be true, which just doesnt fly i'm afraid.

Look deeper.

BM


You ready to claim yet?[/quote]

[Battle Mage]

The thing is that stark doesn't have actually anything to indicate tubby's cult, as far as I can see. I can't think that tubby-cult would pretty much ask "are you the seeker?" like that, and I don't see how he'd know stark's rolename anyway; we don't actually know there's a cult in the game if he's telling the truth. And I see absolutely no reason tubby's likelier to be the leader than a recruit. Tho, I can't think of a particularly good reason for stark to lie unless he's a lyncher or some third party with an interest in cava. Shrug.

The giver was killed by the "strangling" kill, which has been present each night. If the cult killed the Giver, they have a nightkill. I'd consider the idea that the cult may not be a Mafia Cult.. I have difficulty seeing how a recruiting cult works in a power role game. Having said that, as I said earlier I do think that "throat slit" is likely to be the converter kill, so I'd seriously entertain the idea that someone else strangled her.

Claiming to have hidden behind a dead guy is something of a bigger issue - maybe we're missing the forest for the trees? I would actually be pretty enthusiastic about Battle Mage dying, too.

When arent you? lmao

BM

[Battle Mage]

Hey all. I think i got a prod, so i'm here.
I'm not entirely sure whether the wagon on me is serious. If it's just for a claim, i'll kill the suspense. I'm a Tracker. GG
I dont have any useful results. I'll hook em out in a sec, but i think 1 was on Plum/Vaya, and 1 was on a dead guy. Last night, i targetted the fat guy.
Stark's account of my play in this game is laughably inaccurate, and assuming nobody rides his skirt-tails without reading, then i figure we dont have a problem. Whilst my activity for a period was dubious, for the rest of the game, before and after, i've posted consistently. My activity is obviously shot again now, but c'est la vie.

Also +1 to Ben. Wouldnt surprise me if he was scum, but at least he's contibuting something valuable.

BM

[Battle Mage]

If anyone wants to do the honors, it would be greatly appreciated

Also

@Plumvaya: You don't have to claim your results, but does everything from today check out?

Mr mass-claim? Were you not in favour of the twins claiming earlier?

This is pointless. The case is there. Whether i'm alive or not tomorrow, do me a favour and run Stark up please? Kthxbai.

BM

[Battle Mage]

If anyone wants to do the honors, it would be greatly appreciated

Also

@Plumvaya: You don't have to claim your results, but does everything from today check out?

Mr mass-claim? Were you not in favour of the twins claiming earlier?

This is pointless. The case is there. Whether i'm alive or not tomorrow, do me a favour and run Stark up please? Kthxbai.

BM

Go for it. If I was wrong, I was wrong. I'll live (or rather not) with that. I've done my job as far as I could, and

I've told the town what I know about the Cult. Whether it exists or not, I don't know

, but the most basic of my work here is done.

lmao. xD

Also, ftr, i think my action on Plum/Vaya got a "didnt go anywhere" result, which is why i said it was useless.

BM

[Battle Mage]

mornin folks. Good news is, i actually have a result. Bad news is, i dont think it's a particularly useful one. I tracked our resident Causer of Weep, and he visited VP Baltar.

Plum flipping town is surprising, but it does mean we have an obvious choice for today:

Vote: Vaya

Will catch up on today's stuff in a sec. SP can confirm/refute my result too.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Haha, i forgot about Stark! *facepalm*
Eh, the claim doesnt really make sense from Mafia- why claim cult cop then bus your mafia buddy in order to discredit yourself? I could still see him as Cult, but as we have no reason to believe we actually have a cult at this point, that can probably wait. I really dont like the claim though. If Stark was a cult cop, then the cult would inevitably have a kill, which apparently, they chose not to use. It doesnt add up, and this will need to be reassessed later.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Talk about trying to go out with a bang.

BM didn't track me target VP.

BM didn't track me do anything.

BM was my target last night.

His reaction and acusations though, thats the best part. The only way he could have know that I targeted him (and hence stated me as his 'target') was that he is the reason for the lack of kill.

Lmao. Erm, so, you're claiming you roleblocked me, and i knew this, because u stopped me from killing? If that was the case, why would i not claim to have no result? *shrug* i was going down anyway, but at least this way, you'll get lynched tomorrow.

Unvote, Vote: Battle Mage

Good luck town. Sorry i wasnt as active as i should have been.

BM

[Battle Mage]

actually, nah, screw it. I dont wanna be on my own lynchwagon in my last game on MS for a while.

Unvote

Do your own dirty work!

BM