The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)
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Based on the mod vote page we know (or can likely assume) there is an extra vote out. What would be protown about outing voting mechanics or attributing them to certain people? What advantage for town do you see in discovering this? What would you do with this information when you obtained it?SpyreX wrote:Ohh the joys of pages of posts and not a whole lot of words.
I'm still hoping that everyone DOES vote so we can look at said mechanics.
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What "phase" are we in now and why would you be satisfied with it?
How do you reconcile the two quotes Sociopath put together?fos: Spyrex"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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Sure. So why would we out at least one someone that has a double vote and therefore is likely town? Thus my post.SocioPath wrote:
Double voters, much more often than not, are a Protown role, especially on day1. (Day2+ some roles can give double votes to anyone, including scum.)Sajin wrote:What would be protown about outing voting mechanics or attributing them to certain people? What advantage for town do you see in discovering this?
Other than that, its a crap shoot as far as I know."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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Explain this stark. Now. Are you mafia or 3rd party?stark wrote:
It should say it in your PM, scum.DeathNote wrote:Where does it say what is town anywhere? Is it listed that Council=town? If so, point it out to me please.
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When I first read my PM I was thoroughly confused. Only by reading the opening post did I understand that the council was the ruling body of the town (and not a informed minority of it like the word "council" could imply). So I could easily see how deathnote made a similar mistake to that. If you wish to think he was scummy for not understanding his alignment prior to posting in thread, fine- I can see that. But I do not think that not quite understanding the correlation is scummy in and of itself. It certainly does not deserve the quickness of this wagon.
Stark's slip I cannot see.
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Sure spyrex, but I was not trying to protect anyone. I was asked my opinion about deathnote. I answered. I simply caught a tell I thought was very telling and called them out on it. Would you have preferred me to not answer Plum? Not scum hunt? Lie?
Are you pushing a lynch so that Stark does not get called out? Lets here you answer that honestly.
Spyrex- Did you understand you were town/council immediately? Do you see the problem with stark's slip?"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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Millers are increibly uninformative lynches (because you cannot read peoples votes well as the reason for voting is policy based). I suggest a miller claim be vigged.
Stark still has some explaining to do.
And as a general note, if we can cut the noise in the thread down that would be great. I do not mind reading 10 pages a day at all if it has content to it. Pages and pages of fluff gets old fast."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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Miller claims are null tell for me. The best way to deal with such a claim is to vig them if they are scummy. Unless they are quite obviously town. I do not think snow bunny is obviously town and therefore should be vigged.LlamaFluff wrote:Question time!!
@Sajin - Do you believe the miller claim?
@KMD- Interesting. So I am scum with a group of other people based on meta? How does that work? I find it far more likely that your basically copying spyrex's theory word for word and just providing a reason because you were called out on it.
Your 2 statements do not mesh with each other.I'm pretty sure I really don't.
@Socio- I did not ask for any information from another players role PM nor did anyone else. Stark volunteered this information when jumping on DNote's wagon. Stark stated something I found as a contradiction and when I questioned him about it he tried to explain it off using different logic. Evidently others found the same thing questionable."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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Miller claims should not be lynched day 1 unless there are no other leads to pursue (hint, there are). If a miller claim is lynched day 1, its basically depriving everyone of a whole days worth of reads on a lynch as half the votes are based on policy.
I do not think SB should be vigged unless found scummy for other reasons. Then again I hate dealing with millers in LY/LO. I think it is far better to have them die at night then to have no reads on a wagon during the day. I never insinuated a day 1 vig.
The should be vigged comments were to all the people jumping on the wagon for policy reasons. I found that whole wagon scummy as it is a way to participate without your vote meaning anything.
So llama, what do YOU propose to do about SB?"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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LLama- I agree with you. I also am saying that in a large game like this it makes sense for them to be vigged over lynched- should they be found scummy.
I never said shoot them day 1 period no ifs ands or buts. You were leading your question like that."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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Because we get zero reads off a immediate miller lynch. Did you see the wagon that formed that was "OMG it is a miller, lynch her!"? Yeah....bad.
While a lynch based on other merits is fruitful a lynch on them because they are a miller is not. I agree, if we find SB scummy for other reasons then a lynch is completely warranted. I would completely support a vig who shot a miller though.
Hopefully that cleared up my stance.
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Llama- I am against a miller claim being lynched for the claim alone.
I would agree with a vig who wanted to shoot a miller claim.
@llama- No I did not connect that council=town from my PM. As stated before.
How the heck are you seeing stark as town leaning? At best, without considering the slip, nor considering the incredibly bad explanations he has posted for it he could be seen as neutral. Exactly what has he contributed that has been town leaning in your view?"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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So you were not willing to lynch the bandwagon that you quickly jumped on? Seriously? Then explain the reasoning of why you voted. (And no one else better answer this for him)stark wrote:
Have you played mafia before?Sajin wrote:Spyrex- Can you summarize your case on Jordan?
I am still convinced on Stark though. Now he wants to downplay his slip, but he was willing to lynch for a similar but opposing mistake. Go figure.
Since when does a day 1 vote = willing to lynch?
Willing to lynch is riding a stupid, foundationless wagon.
@Llama- You just posted the difference a few posts back!!!! A lynch you get reads on who is willing to lynch and who is not.
And llama- This is an argument about why other people are scummy in your view. It is NOT why stark is town. I still await your explanation. And while my vote started on just that tell on him, the case has grown. Did you see how stark tried to explain it off?"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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@KMD- Correct me if I am wrong, but you have never seen me as scum. So why the forced meta read?
There is significant random distractions to the stark wagon which increase my confidence that he is mafia.
@Deathnote- If you were willing to self vote earlier, why are you worried about being blown-up now?"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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KMD- I have been just this aggressive in many other games. Which is why this is a forced read. The only motivation you have to do this is if you are scum with my votee trying to shake this wagon lose. So how strong of a power does stark have anyways?
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DN what the hell is with that partial claim? I am getting irritated at all of these partial claims. DN explain why you said you needed to survive a night. I can think of more scum roles (cult, yakuza, etc) that need a night then good.
Any of DN Stark or snowbunny needs to go. All 3 of these are the most informative for us and essentially give us an extra lynch.
Also- I wish I was a suicide bomber. That role sounds right up my alley. The only game I ever got that ability I never got to use it. Sigh.
I also like where llama is going with this. DN what do you think of snowbunny? Stark, what do you think of DN?
@Kise- What the hell is with that rolefishing?"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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QFTSpyreX wrote:....so this is KMDGate round two?
My lord.
@Kise: I get what you were saying (and am confused how Plum thought you were sarcastic).
I just think, like I said way back, this setup lends itself too well to claim / shift / claim / shift which pushes the information even more into being useful for scum.
Claim / kill or Claim / SHIFTKILL is my motif this time.
Claim shift claim shift is most beneficial to scum. The fact that Kise was actually advocating this is retarded."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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Jordan, props for the fake suicide. Combining his reaction to the fake daykill plus the earlier wagon lead me to assume DN is town. I for one am willing to at least grant him a day.
A stark or snowbunny flip would be the most informational. I strongly prefer stark. I have getting strong resistance to this wagon once it got rolling."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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@Llama- Depends on circumstances and the person involved. Some people are very easy reads and some are not. People can act different then usual for a number of reasons. My point was that KMD cannot have meta information that he suggested. He has never seen me as anything but town.
Llama- You have seen me as town (Nasubi mafia). Can you conclude off of that?
I figured I would like to know how all 3 of the wagons felt about each other. In the past I have read well off the information of leading wagons feelings about one another. I assumed that is what you were doing so I asked a few more questions. If not, thats ok too. I still like my questions.
Now I think I see where your going with your line of questioning. Its good, but forgive me if I just view it as another distraction from a good wagon."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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That is a theory question. If someone wins a pot at poker because they bluffed you and then give you a similar tell in a similar situation the next pot, are they bluffing? It depends on the player. I cannot answer such a general question more specifically."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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I would be incredibly suspect. Has snow called for a miller instant lynch before?LlamaFluff wrote:Well we have a miller claim in this one so lets use that. First game they are town and want to lynch, next game they are defending the claim. What do you do?"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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Incoming long post: The summary of the case on stark.
He votes deathnote for claiming something is in a town PM that some people have claimed is not there. I vote him and question him about it. It should be obvious since deathnote is town that this is scum hopping on the badwagon of town for a false reason. He has NEVER adequately explained this statement.stark wrote:
It should say it in your PM, scum.DeathNote wrote:Where does it say what is town anywhere? Is it listed that Council=town? If so, point it out to me please.
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He does not reaffirm what he said before but instead tries to explain it off using the opening post. This is different logic then he originally used.stark wrote:
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Explain this stark. Now. Are you mafia or 3rd party?stark wrote:
It should say it in your PM, scum.DeathNote wrote:Where does it say what is town anywhere? Is it listed that Council=town? If so, point it out to me please.
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1. The game begins with the death of "The Giver"
2. "The Giver", as stated in the introduction, is aligned with the Council
3. "The Giver"'s name has been written in green.
4. Green is the color asigned to all dead player/NPCs aligned with the town.
5. I am aligned with the council
I don't understand how this was even a question.
He openly admits he has not been scumhunting. In his 5th post he was willing to hop on a bandwagon so quickly. And yet here he says he has not scumhunted yet. His limited scum hunting efforts since then have been exclusively of the miller claim.stark wrote:
Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot I was supposed to do that in all the free time I had when not defending myself from the stupidwagon.Sajin wrote:@Llama- You reply was why you thought other people were scummy, not why you thought stark was town. What scum hunting has stark done in your opinion?
A policy lynch and a policy vig are not the same thing.
DGB, what do you think of stark?
KMD- What do you think of stark?
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If you were certain of this when you did this then why did you push for deathnote before pushing for benmage?Kmd4390 wrote:Benmage's reaction to my fake kill was obvscum.
I very rarely believe in slips. They are rare, but they can happen.
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@plum/stark- So what I also listed KMD as doing do you not consider a scum tell or do you consider it a town tell? While I agree it alone is not indicative as anything, surely it is not a good thing to have a bad track record. Voting for that alone would be bad reasoning I agree."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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Did you read at all what you just quoted?stark wrote:
To be honest, I'm not sure if I have a very good read on KMD. But in terms of "track record", a case needs to be more substantial than that.Sajin wrote:@plum/stark- So what I also listed KMD as doing do you not consider a scum tell or do you consider it a town tell? While I agree it alone is not indicative as anything, surely it is not a good thing to have a bad track record. Voting for that alone would be bad reasoning I agree.
Are you planning on claiming, KMD?
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[quote="SpyreX"]Not Voting: Rosso Carne, Snow_Bunny, Kise, milkshake, vollkan,SpyreX, VP Baltar, Benmage, dramonic, SocioPath, Sajin, KaleiÐoscøpe, Vaya, Papa Zito, Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Plum, tubby216, chamber, SerialClergyman, LlamaFluff, stark
I'm not dead, dont you worry about that none.
Confused at what the hell happened and if someone would love to explain that'd be pro.[/quote]
@Spyrex- How are you sure your not dead if you are asking what happened?
Also, reading populartajo in iso right before the day ends is interesting."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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[quote="Sajin"][quote="SpyreX"]Not Voting: Rosso Carne, Snow_Bunny, Kise, milkshake, vollkan,SpyreX, VP Baltar, Benmage, dramonic, SocioPath, Sajin, KaleiÐoscøpe, Vaya, Papa Zito, Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Plum, tubby216, chamber, SerialClergyman, LlamaFluff, stark
I'm not dead, dont you worry about that none.
Confused at what the hell happened and if someone would love to explain that'd be pro.[/quote]
@Spyrex- How are you sure your not dead if you are asking what happened?
Also, reading populartajo in iso right before the day ends is interesting.[/quote]
Requoted for you spyrex. I want an answer.
Vote: StarkMakes perfect sense with kublai's flip as well as him still being unhelpful plus the previous observations of him."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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I completely agree. Withholding a piece of the puzzle is anti-town. I dislike your voting of spyrex while witholding information that could confirm his role. What is the new ability?DrippingGoofball wrote:
That's not role-fishing, that's asking you the effect of someone else's role, scum. Someone that has already claimed.Snow_Bunny wrote:Role-fishing. Scum.
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Spyrex- Assuming the nature of your potion is downright stupid. What flavor justification did you have to assume that?
That said, Would the people voting spyrex explain if they think he is going to die tomorrow by the flavor? If you think he will die anyways, why would we waste a lynch here?
@Stark- Actual scumhunting. I am amazed. I like your points on rosso."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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Papa Zito wrote:Sajin wrote:I am still not voting SB because I think it is a bad wagon. I 100 percent think she needs to spill that ability asap though.
Is not paying attention a scumtell?Snow_Bunny wrote:Ok, you want me to claim, I have a one-shot cop ability. There, happy? It was not the point of hiding the ability, but the eagerness of some of you to make me claim.
If it's a bad wagon does that mean you think SB is town?
If you think SB is town why do you need to know the ability?
Inquiring minds want to know!
I missed that, thanks. This thread moves like lightning sometimes. I do not fault anyone for missing the occasional thing in this thread.
Based on the suspects of my suspects and the dead, yes I think Snow is town. I wanted to know the ability because I thought withholding that information would not be in the best interest of town for trying to put this puzzle together. Bleh, I was hoping it would be a roleblock or a vig as they can help confirm herself.
In any case I find it incredibly stupid to lynch someone who claims to have received a 1 shot cop investigation. If they flip scum sure, no loss. But, if they flip town then we lose more information we could of had."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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He is not asking that you think he is town or scum. Everyone gets that.chamber wrote:
And yet I hope it would be easy to infer from his position on the list that I'd be against his lynch anytime soon.vollkan wrote:
He asked for your opinion, not a relative ranking.
He (and others) want to know: WHY?
Added to this: Why do you want to post a list and not provide reasons? Taking a stance without reason is scummy.
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@Spyrex/all- Yes your theory sucks. In fact, the whole -er theory sucks. The only observation that holds true is that everyone's role names start with "The". Anything beyond that I am viewing as a mass rolefishing attempt to get people to say one way or another what abilities they may or may not have.
@Serial- Are you told what the ability you absorbed is or just that you received one?
@VP- If you want my vote somewhere else you will need to summarize a case. Not just call for it. Its very hard for me to respond to piecemeal quotes with one liners."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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I like this. This is far better than your "it must be bussing!" paranoia. I like me some good chainsaw defense paranoia instead.DrippingGoofball wrote:I just realized something.
Kscope, who clearly isn't paying attention to anything at all and is therefore scum, voted for tubby, when Benmage was one vote behind tubby. Therefore, Kscope isn't scum with tubby, he's scum with Benmage whose keister he just tried to save.
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I still support a stark lynch.
I am curious as to why you Baltar are not concerned about him anymore. Is this because you were worried about him being lynched so you wanted to be on the other side in case things went south quick? If he does indeed flip scum I think you are as well. What changed between then and now?
Milkshake can be my 3rd as I really do think dramonic has it right. I do not think his role really fits anyways- a cop insanity clearer? It sticks out like a sore thumb from every other role."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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1- There is no case on me other than my post quantity. I have contributed far more than several other people with low post counts. Can I get a case please? If it is simply post quantity then why do people not attack Battlemage for that? A known spammer that has been posting a lot less this game.
2- I am tunneling Stark because it is a good case. No one has attacked that case at all they have either ignored it or fled elsewhere. Stark himself has ignored my accusations. I find a good case and pound at it as I do in every game as town."Against logic there is no armor like ignorance."-
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So you would have me lynched before I can even give my information out?Battle Mage wrote:
Ugh, obviously you didnt get the memo. This is hilariously scummy.Sajin wrote:I do not mind claiming, but I want to see a case and a reason for every vote on me. Not doing so is extremely scummy.
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Sajin Mafia Scum
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