The rate I get caught up in this game will be directly linked to people coming to their senses that 10 pages a day actually hurts the town (see Death Note mafia). I would guess tonight though, I have no life like that.
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The rate I get caught up in this game will be directly linked to people coming to their senses that 10 pages a day actually hurts the town (see Death Note mafia). I would guess tonight though, I have no life like that.-
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Did a super brief skim. SB needs to claim flavor, although im inclined to believe miller claims. Also no one point me to a game where scum claimed miller else you want me to point you back at four miller claims (including death millers *shudder*) from games ive been in from town. Miller is to be taken at face value, lynch if they are scummy, dont lynch if they are townie.
Also people really need to pay attention to the "consolidate posts" thing I brought up. A page should not magically appear during lunch hour. Especially if a third of it is from one player.-
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Question time!!
@Socio - Jordan or Ben lynch? Why?
@Vaya - What about the wording of the miller claim makes you disbelieve it? Also do you belive it?
@Sajin - Do you believe the miller claim?
@tubby - Have you played a game with a miller claim before?
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Been in the game for well under 100 posts hun, trying to get some thoughts ironed out before I go into normal play mode. Spoilers say that one of the people I asked a question to get my vote though.Snow_Bunny wrote:
Too much questions, but yet no opinion on its own. This is usually a tactic by scum to disguise themselves as pro-town players. I don't like this.LlamaFluff wrote:Question time!!
@Socio - Jordan or Ben lynch? Why?
@Vaya - What about the wording of the miller claim makes you disbelieve it? Also do you belive it?
@Sajin - Do you believe the miller claim?
@tubby - Have you played a game with a miller claim before?
@milk - Now that we know that investigation thing was false, thoughts on what is happening?
at this point, vig SB tonight, yes or no.Sajin wrote:
Miller claims are null tell for me. The best way to deal with such a claim is to vig them if they are scummy. Unless they are quite obviously town. I do not think snow bunny is obviously town and therefore should be vigged.LlamaFluff wrote:Question time!!
@Sajin - Do you believe the miller claim?
So is that a yes?Vaya wrote:
Her flavor, however, seems believable. It's not too straight-forward about why she's a miller, and overall doesn't really sound completely made up. I'm leaning toward believing its real right now.LlamaFluff wrote: @Vaya - What about the wording of the miller claim makes you disbelieve it? Also do you belive it?
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So stark is getting wagoned for thinking that his role was town aligned and people think it could of easily been misinterpreted?populartajo wrote:
Basically, stark said that there was enough information on the pm to know that the council was town.LlamaFluff wrote:Can someone also give me a good consise version of why stark is being wagoned? Im trying to string it together and cant tell if I am missing something or if its grasping at straws.
He is wrong but as I said, I can see some people assuming they were town for diverse factors (no partners in pm, having already checked the op)
So the debate here is that we dont know if stark is town being wrong about the pm being strictly clear or council=town or if he is scum trying to look as town with the information provided in the op to make a case against someone that failed at confirming his alignment.
I really dont understand. Someone voting stark maybe help me out?
@DN - Why is stark scum? You are not allowed to quote anyone but stark for this answer
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Its a perfectly legitimate question, DN has never mentioned stark apart from the vote of him, and even then it was only in the actual vote. Its a wagon I dont get, he should be able to explain it to me since he supports it.Benmage wrote:
LolLlamaFluff wrote: @DN - Why is stark scum? You are not allowed to quote anyone but stark for this answer
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Links?tubby216 wrote:@ lama yes i played a couple games with millers on site and got burrned buy them don't like they should be lynched and lynched early when the town still has the numbers to recover.
Disagree with this too. Last game I played with a death miller, their wagon was half mafia/SK. Maybe its not having played ever with someone faking miller (I can off the top of my head count three games with millers) but its not an auto-lynch claim.Kublai Khan wrote:Death millers should claim early on Day 1 and accept their quick Day 1 lynch.
For the whole stark thing, I really dont like the wagon. The implication seems strong that council=town, while never outright saying it. How he reacts when challenged is a bit off how I would of in that case, but I still dont see any reliable tell here. Ive got my picks down to three and once a few more answers to what I have out comes in I will have a vote up.-
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BullSajin wrote:I do not think SB should be vigged unless found scummy for other reasons. Then again I hate dealing with millers in LY/LO. I think it is far better to have them die at night then to have no reads on a wagon during the day.I never insinuated a day 1 vig.
So what changed in such a short timespan? What is the difference between a day one policy lynch and a day one policy vig? Also since you seem to support it, why is SB scummy? Why DN over SB?Sajin wrote:Millers are increibly uninformative lynches (because you cannot read peoples votes well as the reason for voting is policy based).I suggest a miller claim be vigged.
You treat the claim as a VT claim. If they are scummy, you lynch them. If they are not, you dont. Quite simple.So llama, what do YOU propose to do about SB?-
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Once tubby answers my question I will have a vote. Should be fairly obvious who is the front runner for my vote is however.SpyreX wrote:
You know whats awesome? Since I posted that:Not Voting: DrippingGoofball, alvins95, Rosso Carne, LlamaFluff, Snow_Bunny, Kise
Kise, Llama, DGB AND Alvinz all post.
Ohh wait, that's the antithesis of awesome.-
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Wrong.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Wrong. Millers should always be lynched ASAP.Sajin wrote:Miller claims should not be lynched day 1
Here are my experiences with miller wagons
MafiaSSK -10 (Starbuck, Llamafluff,populartajo magnus_orion,Stephoscope, MafiaSSK, Lamont_Cranston, Gorrad, kmd4390, WLC)
All but four living scum on the wagon, two of which were being replaced. A majority of the end of the votes were purely for deadline reasons
zwet - (hp, lixyl,fabian, esomonty,reckoner, santos,emptyger,drench)
This one had wierd voting mechanics that continually caused VC to reset all but one scum and the SK join with the sheepish/VI town on this one
The other game I remember off the top of my head had multiple millers so is harder to quantify, although no millers got lynched.
You couple that with that I think millers should just be treated as basically a VT claim (if you think they are scum lynch, if you think they are town protect), im pretty against miller policy lynching.-
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Yeah, I said that already. So links pleasetubby216 wrote:
what you want links? i think i answered the other questionsLlamaFluff wrote:
Once tubby answers my question I will have a vote. Should be fairly obvious who is the front runner for my vote is however.SpyreX wrote:
You know whats awesome? Since I posted that:Not Voting: DrippingGoofball, alvins95, Rosso Carne, LlamaFluff, Snow_Bunny, Kise
Kise, Llama, DGB AND Alvinz all post.
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So then if a claimed miller looks scummy you lynch them, if not you treat them as town... I believe some really wierd things in this game (for instance I know a few people have seen me pull wagons off people who claimed VT), but this is not that far out there.DrippingGoofball wrote:@ LlamaFluff
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...DrippingGoofball wrote:And that's why it's so easy for scum to hid behind a miller claim.
If someone looks like scum, you push their lynch, this is basically regardless of what they have claimed. If I think SB is scum, I will push that lynch. I do not think that SB is scum though, so I do not want him lynched.
Taking it at face value is not the same as writting them off.
Sajin wrote:I never said shoot them day 1 period no ifs ands or buts. You were leading your question like that.
This sure looks like a "no ifs and or buts" wording.Sajin wrote:Millers are increibly uninformative lynches (because you cannot read peoples votes well as the reason for voting is policy based). I suggest a miller claim be vigged.-
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It was implied to me. Why *cant* a miller be lynched though? Just trying to pry into your thought process a bit here. If its not policy (or at least primarily not policy) I would prefer to see a miller lynched then vigged.-
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So you dont want to lynch SB on the miller claim alone, but would if he looks scummy which you think he does. You dont mind him being lynched for the miller claim though. Is that it?Sajin wrote:Hopefully that cleared up my stance.
Fairly town. I dont at all agree with whats used against him and think a majority of the wagon is slightly scummy. Its obvious enough that council=town in the role PM, if we had to lynch DN or stark on basis of 'slips' alone, I would go with the DN slip.llama- What do you think of stark?
@Vaya - Why is stark scum?
@milk - Did you think that Kise investigated you?
@ben - Who is scum?
@kmd - Expand on the sajin meta you brought up?
Im already not starting to like how this early game is going to split over the stark thing. Maybe the best way to fix this is to be really blunt...
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You also listed kmd, spyrex and BM... and made them sound like higher suspects then the othersBenmage wrote:
Didnt i just list DN, Stark and Vaya as probably scum.LlamaFluff wrote: @ben - Who is scum?-
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What is the difference?Sajin wrote:Llama- I am against a miller claim being lynched for the claim alone.
I would agree with a vig who wanted to shoot a miller claim.
The move against DN was continuing something that was established, but it added something that seems natural to continue a wagon against a read. It makes sense if you stop to think that council=town. You people are calling him scum for the equivilant of him saying "It says town, no it says villager".How the heck are you seeing stark as town leaning? At best, without considering the slip, nor considering the incredibly bad explanations he has posted for it he could be seen as neutral. Exactly what has he contributed that has been town leaning in your view?
Also the fact that instead of trying to push the DN wagon which was well established he moved to a wagon of a player relatively low on most peoples wagons shows more of a want to scumhunt instead of appeasing the group as a whole.
When you fact in quite a few of his voters were "I agree" in reasoning, im going to call this one a wagon more likely on town then one on scum.
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Policy vig is same as policy lynch to me, you just get to choose if its for claim/meta/etc. If you are OK with one I dont see how you cant be OK with the other.Sajin wrote:@Llama- You just posted the difference a few posts back!!!! A lynch you get reads on who is willing to lynch and who is not.
Ahhh... what? If I can explain why I think stark is town, how is that insufficent for your question. I think he is town, and I said why I think that.And llama- This is an argument about why other people are scummy in your view. It is NOT why stark is town. I still await your explanation. And while my vote started on just that tell on him, the case has grown. Did you see how stark tried to explain it off?-
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vote tubby
I cant really get a grasp on him given that his entire mindset seems to change with every other post he makes. I would say neutral to very slight scummy, but there are by far better targets then him.VP Baltar wrote:Llama-You haven't commented much on jordan thus far, thoughts?
Baffling people with town reads is one of my specialties. Also with odd comments like this. 88... 77...Also your reasoning for finding stark townish baffle me with its complete lack of logic.
I see how stark makes that comment as town. I see the ensuing wagon as a really bad case of people who have not been contributing bandwagoning. I see stark not trying to push the biggest wagon in self-defense.-
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Since tubby isnt answering for some reason, has anyone been in a game that tubby was in that had a miller claim?-
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Ah, though there might of been more to it.Kmd4390 wrote:Llama, what more do you need on Sajin meta? I already explained that.
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I asked you. Also im not going to really entertain the possibility of a jester.milkshake wrote:
I think Rosso Carne is lynchable to the point of possibly being a joker, so does that count as scum?@milk - Who is scum?-
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@jordan - Can you wait a few days to shoot? I want think I see something and want to do a little more research before you take the shot.
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Answer the question, answer the other questions too.DeathNote wrote:@llame- why would I answer that question? I am about to be killed. ;)-
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Yeah I would prefer something like 72 hours~Jordan` wrote:llama...when you say days, you dont mean Day, Day, you mean day, as in 24 hrs, yes?-
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I mean specifically what do you think of the people voting SB, not SB.DeathNote wrote:1. I am against Policy lynches, generally. Mastin is about my only exception. Although if someone claims miller, I will keep a close eye on him but not instantly lynch him.-
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Oh when I say im working on something, im serious about it. I really hope you are kidding here, I asked for 72 hours, not minutes.~Jordan` wrote:Very well. I've made a decision.-
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Then go download pokerstars or something... I doubt that I will be done sooner then 72 since quite a bit of what I am looking at will require participation from others.~Jordan` wrote:you deserve it, and it will probably happen. I want answers NAO. I'm sorry llama, but 72 hurs is just too...boring for me.
@SB - What do you think of players voting you for a miller claim? Are they scum or town? For what reasons?
@DN - Exact same things I asked SB
@Sajin - How good of meta do you think a player acting in an obviously different manner from town to a new game is?
Its funny to me how Sajin reacted since his ensuing comments mean that he obviously has no clue what I am thinking or was getting at. There might be one person here who sees what I see, maybe a second if they dig deep, but yeah.
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I ment the people voting SB, you never claimed miller. You gave your opinions on a miller claim but I was talking about the ensuing policy lynchers (tubby, KK, DGB etc)DeathNote wrote:I think those voting for me are just looking for an easy lynch, after all... I am one of the easiest lynches on the site. I feel that most will be scum because its their objective to kill town.-
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So lets say you see someone do something as town. You play with them a few months later, and the same situation occurs, but they take the opposite path. What do you make of it?Sajin wrote:@Llama- Depends on circumstances and the person involved. Some people are very easy reads and some are not. People can act different then usual for a number of reasons. My point was that KMD cannot have meta information that he suggested. He has never seen me as anything but town.
I had about no time in that game, I think I only had about 30 posts in two days, most of which was trying to argue a semi-policy lynch on a player, and then defending someone who I was fairly sure was town due to my role. Usually I dont remember much unless I had someone as way town or scum. I dont even remember you being in that game all that much really. I will go look over that game again sometime when I get the time.Llama- You have seen me as town (Nasubi mafia). Can you conclude off of that?-
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Once two specific people post I will show what im holding. I think ive got just about all the information I need here.
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So lets say you see someone do something as town. You play with them a few months later, and the same situation occurs, but they take the opposite path. What do you make of it?Sajin wrote:@Llama- Depends on circumstances and the person involved. Some people are very easy reads and some are not. People can act different then usual for a number of reasons. My point was that KMD cannot have meta information that he suggested. He has never seen me as anything but town.
I dont think that answered my question.Sajin wrote:For those of you who have not commented at all on Stark I would like to know why not. If I have to make a list of players who have ignored the subject I will.-
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Well we have a miller claim in this one so lets use that. First game they are town and want to lynch, next game they are defending the claim. What do you do?-
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game with a miller and tubby/vollkan.
The situation was somewhat different (day 2 claim of miller), but the reaction from tubby was very different. (88... 77 was in refrence to large 88, iso [tubby] 77)
Sorry for a bit of a delay, but I just wanted to see how much I could get people to comment on this situation while still not knowing much about what I was talking about. When you also look at a majority of tubbys posts have been locking in on one thing and not paying attention to/commenting on much else, im happy with my vote. An explaination is warrented.-
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Not the most town player in the game, but I think that she is town at this point in the game and really do not see me voting her in the near future. Also you are trying to say that you are basing your vote on SB being scummy, not a miller, which is at least in quite a large part false.tubby216 wrote:so you think sb's play has been townie thus far in this game??
Then SB, no doubt you are my choice. I dont have too many strong reads at this point. You, Cass, and milk are all bugging me quite a bit, and I wouldnt lose too much sleep over a lynch of any of you (possibly alvinz as a deadline-policy thing, but I think we are past a policy lynch stage). When you are acting very different then you were in a different game though in a very similar scenario, well its enough for me to put you over the top.you think i am a better choice? I bet you thought Obama would fix the world too huh. good luck
Also give me a good ol' fashioned monarchy.
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Im flattered hun, but you just arent quite my type.Kise wrote:Post 406 by Llama turned me on.
Whats happening with this ben-kmd thing right now. I think its something like... an arguement about scum lurking and ben posting erraticly? Have a bit of a headache right now but I sill think im missing something.-
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@Tubby - Opinions on something apart from SB, please.
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Im not sure what all the talk about the spamming is about. Spamming is bad, it is very bad. Take a look at the Death Note game, posting was going on at a point that was just crushing the town under its own weight. It really only took a few bigger posts from me to snap most peoples attention to my targets, and just lead the town around killing whoever I wanted them to kill. So spamming = bad. Consolidate your posts into nice, simple ones.
I need to look at this kmd thing closer, as on the surface I support a tubby or even a cass lynch before his, without too much hesitation. Lately I havent been too great about reading kmd though (even though my read in that one game WAS part right, he wasnt in the scum group that was known about at that time), I dont see my prefrence changing too quickly if at all though today since I like my reads.-
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So I have to back down quickly now?Benmage wrote:
The kmd lynch seems fine, tho i'd prefer DGB, Vaya, Stark or Battle Mage.LlamaFluff wrote: I need to look at this kmd thing closer, as on the surface I support a tubby or even a cass lynch before his, without too much hesitation.
One of my suspects is laughing at my pushed, one is AWOL. Neither of those things is going to make me drop it.-
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Sounded like "I have comprimsied, why cant you" when you look at the placement of your vote, and your suspicions.Benmage wrote:
where did i suggest you have to back down??LlamaFluff wrote:
So I have to back down quickly now?Benmage wrote:
The kmd lynch seems fine, tho i'd prefer DGB, Vaya, Stark or Battle Mage.LlamaFluff wrote: I need to look at this kmd thing closer, as on the surface I support a tubby or even a cass lynch before his, without too much hesitation.
One of my suspects is laughing at my pushed, one is AWOL. Neither of those things is going to make me drop it.-
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I just kind of got the feeling that it was more of a request for me to join the wagon then it was a 'thinking aloud' type of a post. Not a scummy post since I will try to manipulate people into voting with me no matter what alignment I am, but I tend to be more of a free-spirit and really stubborn, so it annoys me and I try to stop that line of pushing.vollkan wrote:See above. I think it's a simplistic analysis to say "He was putting his thoguhts down, end of story"
So is this an information wagon, on scum wagon, or some combination of both? Also for an added bonus, summarize the case on kmd in a couple lines.SocioPath wrote:
There are several people who've made a large case on him, as well as several people who have said nothing about him negatively and voting him. Being able to pick up on the intentions of each group, given the amount of actual manpower of players required to lynch, is a good thing. People are going to ride him a while, and votes are going to grow staleVP Baltar wrote:
How so? Anything else to say...been awhile since we've heard from you.sociopath wrote:A KMD wagon is an informative wagon.
So would anyone be down for a Cass (or replacement thereof) wagon? Her reasons to be trying to wagon SB (who I still think is town) irk me quite a bit, so this may just be a knee-jerk reaction of "protect the town read" which is a favorite game of mine, but... the slip of stark is brought up and apparently the same applied to SB.Cass wrote:
Not because of the miller claim, that's neutral. But because:Cass: Quite scummy. 5/7 of posts are "unvote X, vote Y", hypocritical post about Jordan's post being useless.
Q1) You admitted earlier that miller lynches are uninformative, why do you want to lynch SB now?
a) she slipped, in a way very similar to Stark, though in her case this argument is weaker
b) she keep directing power roles and uses weird logic as her reason to claim miller
c) she isn't scum-hunting, but just keeps going on about miller-related stuff. Only responding to people.
Btw, I still think Stark is scum too.
I still dont get this tell or slip or whatever at all. I read my role, I figured out I was town pretty easily. This entire part of the case on SB boils down to comprehension of your alignment from your role. I have argued something similar in a past game where flavor is very hard to base things on, since some people interpret it differently then others do, and that can lead to exploitable contridictions (see SSK lynch in Death Note for perfect example of flavor screwing up the town. Moving on; directing power roles (which I will somewhat concede as slightly scummy, even though if its a standard move from past experience its not the greatest, and I doubt it would be listened to), there also is 'claiming oddly', which is a matter of opinion I guess, but I dont see how the claim was done odd. Last one again is a bit of a tell, but that can be applied to a whole lot of people again, whom really have not been mentioned by cass, who waived the 'scum slip' flag on the stark/SB shenannigins and thats been about it.
I looked at the kmd thing a bit, even though this post took up a majority of the time I had for non-drunk posting today, and still like other lynches better. I can offhand name about half a dozen worse lynches, but still a handfull I would prefer.-
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I cant tell if you are voting him more for your reads or more for information from his flip. Thats what im trying to figure out.SocioPath wrote:
Your first question makes no sense to me, but I'll assume you are either asking if its a informative wagon on someone who is scum, or is a wagon that is driven by scum.LlamaFluff wrote: So is this an information wagon, on scum wagon, or some combination of both?
I wouldn't rule out either. Not sure the point of your question though or the motivation behind such.
If this is going to turn into alvinz or kmd, im going to be voting alvinz, but there are better alternatives to either of them at this point who I feel are getting ignored for the most part. On alvinz, mod says he pickedup his prod. Ive played with him before and getting a lot of content from him is a pipe dream, regardless of his alignment.-
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Tree stumped?
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Vote Tubby
Nothing has changed there. The unexplained shift in stance on millers, whos claim is increasingly validated by KK flip, the shrug it off when asked for an explaination, the continual tunnel on SB for the majority of the day...
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Hey, im pretty sick right now and looking at a computer is really doing a number on my eyes. I am about three/four pages behind right now, so I dont need to be replaced, but just giving you a heads-up for me not being able to post much/at all for a few more days.-
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Im actually feeling better for the first time since early last weekend, fever back under 100 and whatnot, so im going to try and make a small run on catching up in this game. I curse you all for putting up 20 pages in that time-
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I want to make sure I understand what is going on here before I try and spend too much time picking apart something while missing the entire point, since it really is an annoyance I like to avoid.
Ok, the first big debate that happens seems to follow the following arguments;
-Spy targeted SB last night, he appears as ‘dead’ but can still talk and apparently vote today.
-When SB gets pressed on ‘did anything happen’, she shuns off the question, which I thought was totally a legitimate move. While I don’t think spy is scum, as any brand of town killing role would have had to be stupid to target him, this response from SB looks very natural to me.
-Spy claims he is basically a JOAT with uncontrollable actions (ok that totally should have been my role, ive had that and something almost identical). Now he made an action which he thinks should of killed SB, but he ‘died’ instead.
Ah ok, I forgot about the whole SB asking cops to target her D1 there. The call out from Spy makes a little more sense now. And why the hell are people wagoning Spy? Ive had this exact role once before (had six unknown actions; JK, vig, RB, doc, hide and make DV), its hard to explain how it works, but it was a town role there, and given what is happening here, im going to put my money on it still being a town role. Starting to wish my power was ‘vig entire wagon’
This game hurts the mind and soul, its something like Spy thinks SB killed him, so half the town votes spy for claiming a random JOAT? What the hell really? I do not understand that logic, I can understand SC voting for something role based, but everyone else is dense, sheeping, scum or some combination of all three. Back to the depressingnessess…
Ohhhhhhhhhhh! Ok. Spy isn’t a JOAT but an inventor that doesn’t know what he gives out. Amazingly enough I have had that exact role too, in a game of spy’s.
Ok, so I think I have down about what happened yesterday regarding Spy-SB
First – Spy targeted SB with a black potion. SB did not target anyone.
Second – SB gained an ability. Spy got stumped or something.
Third – Spy thinks SB killed him somehow, SB claims she didn’t do anything.
HOW DO PEOPLE COME TO THE VOTE SPY CONCLUSION FROM THIS!?
Im actually a little surprised so many people seem to be in the vote SB town as well. I guess I can see it if you think of SB as a PGO type role for the scum, but I don’t see it as highly likely either, well maybe the vote for spy too. It can be inferred that Spy likely gave an ability, but until then, I sure wouldn’t claim to of gotten something if a stumped player asked.
Ok now there is a fourth? I thought there was only three parts to this thing.
@SC – Do you just duplicate the role or do you steal the role?
Oh ok, there is no fourth due to what the ability is. I still want to vig the spy wagon however.
So hey, why is there no milk wagon forming right now? We have someone basically pushing the spy wagon on things that I cant really figure out, and I just read those pages (I think its for the claim, -est ending and possibly thinking he doesn’t give stuff out?). If SB has a one shot ability, they have to use it on a believable target regardless of alignment, not doing so, or possibly even having proof of done so, just results in a lynch. Best case scenario we get a few alignments out of it, worst case, we lynch milk-scum before SB-scum.
Tired
Break time
10 pages to go
Damn you all for being confusing
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So does the player you touch lose thier ability or are you just getting a copy of it?SerialClergyman wrote:Llama - I steal the role for the NEXT night. So N1 I touch blah, at the start of D2 I get told what the role I stole was (if any) and N2 I get to either use the role or touch someone else. They are blocked from using their ability N2.-
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I had a plan but it doesnt look like its going to work if thats what happens. Kinda confused why you would still target a townish player with a stealer role.SerialClergyman wrote:
I don't know what the difference is between the options you're giving me. They can't use it for the one night I have it, does that answer it?They are blocked from using their ability N2.
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Ok so SB has given her one shot ability, but I still don’t get why she wants spy dead. Yet to see anything there from anyone giving out anything that should warrant a FoS. With a cop shot though, I would prefer not to lynch SB (tubby/milk wagons anyone?).
I guess there is a little reasoning here on the spy-nontown wagon here, at least its not for spy-scum, but I still don’t really like how it is completely flavor based. Basically the simplest conclusion to spy is that he is town and an inventor who doesn’t know what he is giving out. Some flavor in this game may not make much sense, some powers may be kinda weird, so trying to lynch of flavor, especially… especially when we only have a few roles flipped, is a no.
Yay agreement with a milk wagon! Was starting to think that I was insane for thinking he was scum since no one else seemed to show interest there.
Ben continues to be stupid over the whole spy flavor thing. I had a role ALMOST IDENTICAL to what he is claiming. I could target one player a night and something would happen to them. So its not an “odd” thing, it’s a role. Your second odd is arguing flavor, unless potions are killing, turning into newts, or something like that, or SB woke up looking like Columbo, it likely isn’t a visable effect.
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You guys need to stop playing the "take the game in a new direction whenever llama has stuff to do" game.
So...
Tubby claims to of hid behind milk. To believe this we need to believe that milk is really town, which goes against a read but will play along with for now due to...
Plum claims that Tubby is what he claims, so tubby and milk are town. But then...
Ben claims that Plum cant know anything because he roleblocked her.
So player A claims that player B is town, player C supports player A while player D says player C cant know anything about player A.
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So if we just concentrate on part A of the equation, we have the most information then correct?
Tubby claims fact Z
Plum supports fact Z based on action @ (out of keys so sue me)
SP denies Plum support of Z based on action #
Fact Z is in question which is "Is tubby and by association milk town".
Im going to ask something that should of been asked.
@SP - Do you block only one type of action (ie active) or do you block passive and special. Ask that. Come back. We had this problem already-
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Remember my thing about A arguing B, C supports A? Figuring out A gives answeres to B and C, if D still said C was lying it would obviously be the right move to lynch tubby since it nets confirmed scum either way. Not sure if it confirms anyone outside of possibly B at this point, but if it confirms/condems more then one player, it might not be bad to still look in to.Benmage wrote:
name 1 good reason why. make it 2.stark wrote:
Name 2 good reasons why not. 1 even.Spyrex wrote: Do I think he is the correct lynch today? Nope.
This game is wreaking havoc with my mind though given that about a quarter of the game has claimed and there arent any obvious solutions/moves available. Apparently I need to go back and read Ben which is going to suck a big one.-
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Well yeah thats why I said it used to work. When C and D led to different solutions to A, lynching A gave information on three players directly. Im just thinking that a tubby lynch still isnt the worse possible thing in the world given how many people are strongly attached to him. I still need to reevaluate what is going on a bit, I feel with so many visable pieces there needs to be something obvious here we are missing.Benmage wrote:A is tubby-hider
B milk-copcurer
C Plum-masonish
D SP-RB
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Dear SC,
Please stop treestumping players I think are town
Love,
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He is treestumping people still.dramonic wrote:
But SpyreX wasn't treestumped yesterday. His vote was on the votecount and the lynch occured at 12 like what was written.LlamaFluff wrote:Dear SC,
Please stop treestumping players I think are town
Love,
Llama
What seems to be happening is SC targets a player and they "die". I would expect that they no longer count for their factions numbers, but can talk, and it looks like they can vote. Treestump variant.
Dear SC,
Im not going to argue about the sexyness of VP, but you should start targeting people you think are scummy.-
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Ok, im no longer sick, all caught up, time to take this game in a brand new direction
Vote Papa Zito
Most of what happened with him D1 actually was speculation about roles. We had the debates of "do town roles end in -xr", the "where was I when the giver died" and who can forget "what did I do when the giver died". All so useful.
When he does decide to make some attempts at scumhunting, we get things like this;
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Oh wow this is terribad.Vaya wrote:
I was unvoting stark because I'm probably going to switch my vote to kmd.VP Baltar wrote:Vaya, why did you unvote in your most recent post?
In fact,Vote: Kmd, especially because I agree with Spy's suggestion.
unvote: alvins95
vote: Vaya
The "target rich" quote is quite ironic, given how little PZ really has done in the department of trying to find targets. Even his speculation which has taken up a majority of the day so far is not used in his votes.Papa Zito wrote:
Much more powerful than your JK/Vig combo? lolwut?Kmd4390 wrote:I can see that I'm today's lynch. Fine by me considering there are probably roles much more powerful than mine.
Okay then.
unvote: Vaya
vote: Kmd4390
This game is a target-rich environment.
So we have speculation, which never is even used to push a case (speculation - check). We also have lots of odd votes (vote hopping - check).
There was an odd third part though, involving KK. On his flip, it feels a whole lot like a scum interaction to me.
He mentions it early, and just moves on. KK is not mentioned again, I cant shake a feeling of a weak distancing attempt here.Papa Zito wrote:
I'm leaning that direction. Too bandwagon-hoppy, too Snow_Bunny-tunnelly for my taste.VP Baltar wrote:Do you think KK is scum PZ?
Who put the brakes on this game?
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D2 stuff later, but its worth noting an early attack of PZ on SB. Again with that quote of him regarding KK it strikes me as odd.