Webcomic Wars Mafia: D7- Be Thankful I'm Not The Author

[Empking]

/confirm

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Vote: LC

LC seems to me, to be too quick to judge and his reaction gto Tar makes me think he'll attack anything.

[Empking]

Vote: LC

LC seems to me, to be too quick to judge and his reaction gto Tar makes me think he'll attack anything.

How do you mean? It looked like he was just trying to respond to points being raised against him.

Its not what you do its how you do it.

LC: Why do you post one post after another?

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Santos: If you think he's town don't vote him.

[Empking]

Sens: Can you give the best example of what you're taslking about in regard to Santos.

[Empking]

I agree that LC should claim.

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Unvote

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Vote; Percy

- For trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the town cop.

[Empking]

Vote; Percy

- For trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the town cop.

any elaboration here? I'm not quite sure what you're referring to.

The "I thought he was a Day-Cop with a guilty verdict.)

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Vote; Percy

- For trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the town cop.

any elaboration here? I'm not quite sure what you're referring to.

The "I thought he was a Day-Cop with a guilty verdict.)

could you explain how that is "trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the cop"?

He chose to hammer the likely cop but is now claiming to have hammer'd a guilty investigation.

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could you explain how that is "trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the cop"?

He chose to hammer the likely cop but is now claiming to have hammer'd a guilty investigation.

"likely" cop? How was he "likely" cop?

He had a believable claim made stronger by the Elan claim.

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could you explain how that is "trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the cop"?

He chose to hammer the likely cop but is now claiming to have hammer'd a guilty investigation.

"likely" cop? How was he "likely" cop?

He had a believable claim made stronger by the Elan claim.

(Apologies for quotetree)

Wait, you're saying that qwints' claim made you think L_C was

more

likely to be a cop?

Yes

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could you explain how that is "trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the cop"?

He chose to hammer the likely cop but is now claiming to have hammer'd a guilty investigation.

"likely" cop? How was he "likely" cop?

He had a believable claim made stronger by the Elan claim.

(Apologies for quotetree)

Wait, you're saying that qwints' claim made you think L_C was

more

likely to be a cop?

Yes

What? How?

V/LA starting later today, up until sometime Monday. I'm going to the Beach!

Elan being the only cop would be unlikely.

[Empking]

Elan being the only cop would be unlikely.

... That doesn't mean a counterclaim Strengthens his claim. That's just backwards logic however you look at it.

How?

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Because a counterclaim usually makes a claim less believable. In a situation like this, where you may believe there are more then 1 cop, that does not make the opposite true. In a hypothetical situation, LC could still have been lying when qwuints countered him. A second cop may not have chimed in yet or felt it unnecessary to claim. By your thinking (That only one cop is unlikely) in no way makes LC's claim any stronger, as he claimed first and under pressure he could still be scum lying. Qwuints on the otherhand should have been strengthened because he was the one actually doing the countering. I find it weird that out of the thinking that it would be unlikely to only have one cop, you would call LC the more likely cop out of the two.

When did I say he was more likely to be a cop than qwints?

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Percy: As the point of making Elan a cop is naive speculation.

FoS; Korlash

- For Lying.

I think Muf is town and I'm getting a newbie read on him. i think Tar knows what he's talking about so I'd like the flavour of his protect.

[Empking]

FoS: Empking

, for shifting responsibility onto Tar (particularly since i think what he's asking for is antitown). "Tar knows what he's talking about" is an unacceptable reason to want a flavour claim. Even if you think Tar makes decisions perfectly, he could be scum. Why do you want the claim?

I think Tar knows what he's talking about is the reason I want it. I think he has a reason and I don't think he'd make the gambit if he's scum.

(Also I don't want a flavour claim.)

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Percy; Naive speculation is more likely top happen with multiple cops.

[Empking]

Percy: I think the problem is that I (unlike you) don't think Goorad can see into the future.

[Empking]

Ryan Beckwith from Scarygoround.

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percy; Have you ever repeated or pointed to these supposed "questions that need answering"?

[Empking]

I'm rereading.

[Empking]

Vote: Percy

- I still think he's scummy with his statements and him trying to get out of the first day's hammer.

[Empking]

Percy: What questions? (I'm pretty sure I asked this before with no answer from you.)

[Empking]

I answered the second question and I didn't want to know the nature of [Tar's[/b] protect. Does Tar even have a protect?

[Empking]

What's the main Rofl point?

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first, does no one else understand what korlash's role, mafia strongman, is? it meant he could kill through protection.

Uh, no, since he was death-revealed as Mafia Hitman and the Hitman I'm used to is defined as a neutral role.

Hitman being a mafia who can kill past doctors and RBs is the MBF definition.

[Empking]

Do we have a deadline?

I agree with everyone that Percy's attacks on Tar are very scummy.

[Empking]

"Everyone"? Just who is "everyone"?

The people who find your attacks on Tar very scummy.

Oh, I forgot, you're Empking, and you don't answer questions.

Don't let this guy survive to endgame, guys. A dead Empking is a good Empking.

What question haven't I answered? (This is like the third/fourth time I've asked you that now.)

[Empking]

Why are people not voting Percy?

Maybe its just me but recent posts don't seem to be that useful to the town.

[Empking]

Why are people not voting Percy?

Maybe its just me but recent posts don't seem to be that useful to the town.

Speaking for myself, I'm not voting Percy because I see no particularly compelling reasons for doing so, and my instincts are firmly that he is town.

More to the point, why are you voting Percy? Your stated reasons aren't exactly coherent-

Vote; Percy

- For trying to get out of the consequences of hammering the town cop.

He chose to hammer the likely cop but is now claiming to have hammer'd a guilty investigation.

He had a believable claim made stronger by the Elan claim.

Elan being the only cop would be unlikely.

As the point of making Elan a cop is naive speculation.

Naive speculation is more likely to happen with multiple cops.

This was the "I thought he had a guilty" thing- fair enough. In justifying it though, you said that LC was likely to be cop. You didn't express that when he was being voted for (why not?),

I wasn't here.

The lynch happened quickly after his claim.

and said that the Elan-cop claim made LC more likely to be a cop, which is weak at best. All in all, your positions seem a rather artificial way of justifying your Percy vote. There is also a hugely anti-town tendency to volunteer absolutely no information. When asked whether you thought qwints' claim made LC a more likely cop, you said "yes". Clearly, the person asking wanted you to explain why you took this odd position.

Was Elan alone as a cop? No? Then I was right.

I also explained when the person wanted further information.

@ anyone with a decent meta of Empking

: in this game, Empking is lurking, and volunteering a minimum of information only when asked direct questions. Is there

A note (particularly to Percy): Empking never asked for the nature of

Tar's

protect. The wording isn't totally clear, but in context it is pretty obvious he was asking for the nature of

Mufasa's

protect. I am still unimpressed with Empking's reasoning for this, which was "because Tar thinks it's right".

Tar has a reputation as a set up breaker. He also has an experience as scum. I doubted it was a scum move and his reputation led me to think he was talking sense.

I agree with everyone that Percy's attacks on Tar are very scummy.

Here, you offer a secondary attack on Percy, in which you appeal to the popular opinion of "everyone". Two problems here; first is that you are just "me-too"ing, and not saying how Percy is being scummy. Second is that "everyone" consists of Tar. And noone else. This is just horrible.

It looked to me on my read that more people were agreeing with him.

[Empking]

I'm fine with MC.

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Was Elan alone as a cop? No? Then I was right.

I also explained when the person wanted further information.

It does not follow that you were right, and you know it. You said qwints' claim made it more likely that L_C was a cop, and you never explained why. Oh, you gave a few vague, incoherent statements (appealing to naive speculation that didn't happen, for instance), but no explanation. You also singled out me as the scummy one, without looking at anyone else who just slammed their votes on L_C after the claim.

No-one understands why qwints' claim made L_C

more

likely to be a cop. You said that I was scummy for not realising this, but

no-one else does either

. You have never explained, and now you're lying about it.

Quotes please.

Percy: I say (paraphrase) "I misread people and I thought threy were agreeing with him" and you repond with "Point out where they agreed with him"

You are purposely trolling me right?

Fishy; Elan is a naive character. It follows that people may think he's a naive cop.

The way Percy attacked Tar in his not-looking-for-scum way was scummy in my eyes.

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Fishy: Percy said that he thought a cop had a guilty result on LC(?) Do you agree with that? Do you agree with me that its complete BS? That's my reason for voting him and it always has been.

Fishy; When did I call Percy scum for thinking that the second cop claim didn't make the first more likely?

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Fishy: Percy said that he thought a cop had a guilty result on LC(?) Do you agree with that? Do you agree with me that its complete BS? That's my reason for voting him and it always has been.

Fishy; When did I call Percy scum for thinking that the second cop claim didn't make the first more likely?

Percy said he thought qwints had a guilty on LC. I don't think it's obviously BS he thought that- indeed I can't imagine making something like that up as scum. The insanity of the idea far outweighs the benefit (that it was a reason for hammering).

You voted Percy for hammering a "likely cop", and trying to excuse it. This argument only holds water if LC was a likely cop. In effect, you are calling Percy scummy not only for his slip/mistake/idiocy but also for claiming to think LC was scum. Your reasons why LC was likely real are, to say the least, not something you would expect everyone to be thinking, and so this argument is invalid. In effect, you are calling Percy (but not the other ten or so players on the wagon) scum for not seeing a rather obscure point which you think made LC more likely real.

No I voted Percy for trying to get rid of the blame of hammering the cop by claiming that there was a guilty result.

Fishy; You think its reasonable to presume to presume that a night cop got a guilty result on someone day 1?

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Percy: Nobody speculated because

1. People aren't completely predictable. Gorrad may have put Elan in for people to think he's naive without people thinking he's naive.
2. You quicklynched.

Percy; Do you honest think that "people" is the same as "someone"? Really?

[Empking]

Percy if you claim I said something. I'd like the quotes given when I ask for quotes to be mine.

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Gorrad may have put Elan in for people to think he's naive without people thinking he's naive.

What?

Gorrad can't tell the future.

2. You quicklynched.

Was it just me who quicklynched?

Irrelevant.

Percy; Do you honest think that "people" is the same as "someone"? Really?

No, and that's the point. Why did you think

anyone

thought my play with Tar was scummy? Saying "whoops, I thought

more

people thought that" hides the fact that

no-one

thought that, and you are just making shit up.

Are you denying that Tar thought your actions were scummy?


Tar; You're town because you're acting in a town way.

We should massclaim when we're not near a scum lynch and when it looks like it'll be useful.

Its not inevitable because the majhority of people are blind to the fact he's obv-scum.

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Gorrad may have put Elan in for people to think he's naive without people thinking he's naive.

What?

Gorrad can't tell the future.

OK, so you're saying that you think the claim should have been more thoroughly analysed. This is probably true, but amazingly easy to say in hindsight.

Its even easier to just say that what ever I say is "Amazingly easy to say in hindsight"

2. You quicklynched.

Was it just me who quicklynched?

Irrelevant.

False. Highly relevant.
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You hammered causing the quick lynch.

How is it relevant BTW?

Percy; Do you honest think that "people" is the same as "someone"? Really?

No, and that's the point. Why did you think anyone thought my play with Tar was scummy? Saying "whoops, I thought more people thought that" hides the fact that

no-one thought that

, and you are just making shit up.

Are you denying that Tar thought your actions were scummy?

No, but thanks for the blatant misrep.

The point is, Tar was alone before you, yet you claimed "everyone" agreed with him. Then you said "whoops, I thought there were more people who agreed with him", rather than "whoops, I thought someone agreed with him". So, you lied, you see? Is that clear enough for you? I wouldn't want to say something ambiguous in the slightest, given your amazing ability to twist whatever I say into your own misguided agenda.

Bold mine.

Percy: Are you denying that I agreed with him? Because I'm one and anyone else would be more.

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Percy; And I admitted I was wrong in there being someone else. But I guess that's why you edited that part from your quote.

Percy; Who else claimed that they were only voting LC because of Qwint's guilty result? That's why I'm concentrating on you because you're the only one trying to wash away responsibility for the lynch.

I'm against MC.

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Percy; And I admitted I was wrong in there being someone else. But I guess that's why you edited that part from your quote.

There was nothing to edit out. The only post I could see where you "admitted" you were wrong was here:

It looked to me on my read that more people were agreeing with him.

...and I've already explained how this was a crap explanation.
So how could I edit out content that wasn't in the post to start with?

Percy; Who else claimed that they were only voting LC because of Qwint's guilty result? That's why I'm concentrating on you because you're the only one trying to wash away responsibility for the lynch.

No-one made the same mistake as me. That's not the point I'm making, and you know it. I'm not trying to wash away any responsibility - I'm asking why you think I'm the only one who needs to stand accountable. You've said that I was a quicklyncher, that I scummily hammered the town cop - now I'm scum because I'm defending myself against these accusations? Twist, twist away!

You're not the only one needing to be heald account. You're just theb one refusing to be held account.

You were a quicklyncher.
And you did scummily hammer the town cop.
You are scum because you only defend yourself by going "The people voting me are scum".

I don't know why people are meant to pretend like that isn't the case.

[Empking]

the game is dying a slow, painful death because nothing, and i mean nothing, is happening. we need to move on.

QFT

Percy; It went to "Lynch this person" from "Don't lynch this person" in less than a day. I really don't think you can honsestly say that wasn't quick.

It was scummy because it was quick.
Not using the information we have now just because we didn't used to have it is completely moronic.

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Fishy; I'm scum because I don't keep repeating points everyone knows about and by not repeating them I dropped them?

Fishy: Were you even reading the thread? Percy was like "Only you found my attacks scummy and because only you and

nobody

else you are lying scum." (Paraphrase not an actual quote).

Fishy, what makes my "not reading the thread and retracting points" scummy and Percy's "not reading the thread and retracting points" obviously cause for scum to jump all over him?

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Fishy; I'm scum because I don't keep repeating points everyone knows about and by not repeating them I dropped them?

No. You are scum because you make points with no justification, and then stop talking about them. Later, you explain why you are voting for Percy, and make no reference to them.

Fishy: Were you even reading the thread? Percy was like "Only you found my attacks scummy and because only you and

nobody

else you are lying scum." (Paraphrase not an actual quote).

Not my reading at all. Unless I'm mistaken, Percy was merely pointing out your mistake about people finding your attacks suspicious.

Fishy, what makes my "not reading the thread and retracting points" scummy and Percy's "not reading the thread and retracting points" obviously cause for scum to jump all over him?

Not reading the thread well is, in both cases, a minor scumtell. Your retraction of points is bad because they were immensely crap points against the person you are voting for, and as such look like excuses for a vote rather than what you really thought.

To be clear; I'm not hugely bothered about your mistake that other people thought Percy's attacks scummy. But your reaction to this being pointed out was terrible, and

you have said nothing to support the position that the attacks are scummy

.

Which retractions of Percy did you have in mind? If you mean his retraction of "LC had a guilty on him", that is a completely different matter - he retracted something which (imo) scum had no motive to do, when his mistake was pointed out to him.

So making claims based on somebody you vote for is

worse

than somebody you quick hammered?

Fishy, I gave reasons for why he was likely a cop. So it wasn't based on nothing.

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Fishy; This post doesn't exist?

Fishy; Elan is a naive character. It follows that people may think he's a naive cop.

The way Percy attacked Tar in his not-looking-for-scum way was scummy in my eyes.

Fishy; Are you denying that Percy was saying (lying) that I was alone in thinking Percy's attack on Tar was scummy, and that that I was twisting (being scum0 by denying that.

Fishy; Why is admitting that you wrong bad and denying that and refusing to read the thread (doing a Percy) pro-town.

[Empking]

The claims are completely different. Percy's were based on one simple, awful, drastic misreading of a post. Yours were opinions of an overall situation (LC was, at the time, a likely cop/Percy's attacks on Tar are scummy) with no such explanation. You haven't justified your posts, and you haven't explained why you made them.

This comparison to Percy is entirely spurious, and an attempt to cloud the issue. Something you specialise in.

Yes, you gave reasons LC was likely a cop. However, none of them came remotely close to the implication of your post; that Percy

should

have thought LC was a cop. Without this, the likelihood of LC being a cop is irrelevant to your vote.

I never said it was relevant.

How is saying "the likely cop" different from saying "LC" they're both referring to the same person in the same manner. Its just that the first one is easier to remember.

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Tar; If Percy is scum how likely do you think it is that Fishy is one of his buddies?

[Empking]

First game I've been in where Empking actually talks. Interesting.

Have we ever played a game together, before?

[Empking]

First game I've been in where Empking actually talks. Interesting.

Have we ever played a game together, before?

I played a game with you while you were "Empking's Alt" You did the exact same lurking in that game too although I don't remember what game it was. Natirasha's lulwut mafia maybe?

Oh yeah. You're right about the game.

[Empking]

I don't think that I'm at the moment one of the worst lurkers in this game.

[Empking]

No, but you lurk in every game you're in, and never really directly answer questions pointed at you (case in point.)

Would you mind telling me how that question is game relevant?

Would other games am I lurking in?

[Empking]

There's 17 players in this game. Most of whom aren't voting Percy. How are we going so long without posting?

Post or vote*, people. Post or vote*.

*Vote Percy.

[Empking]

Would you mind telling me how that question is game relevant?

It's not. I'm just wondering.

Then why am I scummy for not answering it?

Empking; Why is posting bad denying that (doing an Empking) pro-town.

Percy; Where did I say it was?

Percy; How was I intending to scare off Fishy?
Are you just making stuff up?
Is "Blacken my name" melodramatic or overdefensive?

[Empking]

Can one truly be overdefensive at an impasse such as this?

Empking!:

Admitting you are wrong is good. As far as I can see, that is totally irrelevant to our current discussion. I have not at any point criticised you for admitting you are wrong.

Where did Percy refuse to read the thread? Please try to give some context to these statements.

The post you quote read like it's an explanation of your opinions on Percy's attacks - but it doesn't really explain your position at all. What do you mean by his "not-looking-for-scum way"?

To which Empking responds:

Tar; If Percy is scum how likely do you think it is that Fishy is one of his buddies?

You directed your question specifically at Tar! Tar never responded! You never followed up on it! Tends to make it look like you never cared what Tar thought and your intentions for asking such a question lay elsewhere!

What were my intentions!?

[Empking]

Would you mind telling me how that question is game relevant?

It's not. I'm just wondering.

Then why am I scummy for not answering it?

*sigh* That's not what I'm saying. Nevermind.

I must have misunderstood you.

[Empking]

Vino you are looking fetching this morning!

Empking! Perhaps I should have been more clear! It was regarding 'scaring' fishy!

Can I not be suspicious of a player obviously performing a chainsaw defence for Percy?

[Empking]

I for one am convinced Percy might be Hitler!

Now Tar! How do we get to UNK SK!? I thought the whole thing was a combination of 'must hammer cop!' and 'omg KORLASH!' I love that you have declared me a confirmed townie and everyone buys that but frankly this last post rubs me the wrong way a bit!

Empking! How is it so clear to you that Fishy is scum concerned with a buddy's lynch as opposed to a concerned citizen!? I am glad you brought it up because I would like to see specifically how you have made this distinction!

Town may argue against points.

Scum chainsaws.

Does it seem likely to you that scumFishy would chainsaw for scumPercy after what happened to poor ActualScumKorlash!?

Yes.

[Empking]

! My favorite is when Empking specifically says

we should

say 'the likely cop' instead of LC because it is 'easier to remember'!

Quotes please.

[Empking]

My mistake! Percy quoted what I was referring to, you said that the statements were equivalent and I took 'the first one is easier to remember' to mean you found it preferable!

No you didn't. You're scum. Lying to protect your scumbuddy.

This seemed like BS to me because obviously you know who LC is, and obviously there is quite a leap in what is being discussed when you go from 'he hammered LC' to 'he hammered the likely cop'!

I'm not good with names. When I forgot LC's name I used likely cop to represent that player.

As I said before though, if for all intents and purposes LC can definitively be referred to as 'the likely cop' then wouldn't it follow that literally half of the town is scum!? Why is Tar(not a reflection on you here Tar you are just someone he seems to think holds a certain level of town cred this game!) not scum for voting 'the likely cop'!?

Because not everybody shares my opinion.

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Interesing. Tar why do you assume that FishytheFish was the mafia kill?

Let's just say I'm almost sure that whoever made that MoS kill has to come from a very specific comic, and that comic isn't discontinued. (Not 100% sure, largely because the comic in question has faked ending on multiple occasions.)

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In other news, a summary reread on Fishy reminds me that his main suspect yesterday was Empking. Empking's also been unusually active.

That's because this was my only active game.

I'll wait for MC to start.

[Empking]

Still game related!

.

Am I the only one who doesn't like this post?

[Empking]

Vino, Dante of Sheldon, Town Mason

I have no idea what you're implying empking

I don't like his post.

Not everything has a secret meaning.

[Empking]

He is a dead player with a confirmed role and alignment. What is there not to like?

Posting game relevant information after his death.

[Empking]

gah, empking is trying to throw dirt on confirmed town?

vote: empking

Vote; Has

For lying.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote; Siro

Mass claim reluctance especially because he waited till he was first up.

[Empking]

Siro: Why do you think that the other two cops claimed cop rather than [Insert Faction Here] Cop?

[Empking]

Vanilla.

Hasdgfas.

[Empking]

Unvote

Reading Tar's post I believe Siro's claim.

[Empking]

Sajin is town because he had one of the most believable power role claims?

AKA

Why is Sajin town?

[Empking]

also I disagree that sajin should be able to pick who hammers him, I think we should 'vote' on it as a town, majority rules just like with a lynch.

here's the thing.
If he's town, he's the only person he knows is town, and therefore we have a town member deciding who else dies.
If he's scum, it doesn't matter who hammers him, because we'll have dead scum.

That makes sense.

Unless Sajin is a scum supersaint, which isn't awfully likely.

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Actually Empking that was exactly my concern. Are those rare enough that it is not worth considering?

Normally I'd say yes but Sajin's last post is ringing alarm bells for me.

But I don't think there's ever been a Mafia Super Saint before.

Vote: Sajin

- I'm not liking his recent posts.

[Empking]

SC: Is the "Super Saint claim will get you lynched" knowledge common knowledge.

[Empking]

Dizzy: How much do you believe Rofl's claim?

[Empking]

Does anyone notice I am practically universally considered scummy? For all those who think I am scum, who am I scum with?

Its called bussing.

Unvote

If I'm meant to hammer.

[Empking]

Vote: Sajin

If I'm not meant to hammer.

[Empking]

posting in response to prod - i'm on a trip and only have blackberry access til monday.

sajin is not so scummy that i'd be clamoring to lynch him without the supersaint claim. empking is, on the other hand, and the lack of an empking kill when percy was hiding with him is as close to 100% proof as we're going to get. if he's not the one hammering sajin, then i'm not lynching sajin.

unvote, vote: empking

So you're allowing Sajin to pick whether you vote Sajin or not? Does that seem clever to you?

[Empking]

are you for real? everything you have said today has been designed to smear someone.

How so?

[Empking]

posting in response to prod - i'm on a trip and only have blackberry access til monday.

sajin is not so scummy that i'd be clamoring to lynch him without the supersaint claim. empking is, on the other hand, and the lack of an empking kill when percy was hiding with him is as close to 100% proof as we're going to get. if he's not the one hammering sajin, then i'm not lynching sajin.

unvote, vote: empking

So you're allowing Sajin to pick whether you vote Sajin or not? Does that seem clever to you?

for example, reading between the lines here, you're obviously trying to imply that sajin and i are scumpartners, but you're too spineless to come out and say it.

No it isn't.

Its saying that you shouldn't let Sajin choose whether or not to vote him because its not clever.

You can tell by the second question.

[Empking]

backpedal some more, scum

How so?

[Empking]

Rofl; Are you scum?

[Empking]

Tar: Can you remind me why you're obvtown?

[Empking]

Mod: VC?

Why don't you think scum would have thought that Percy would be an easy lynch?

[Empking]

all empking is doing is asking stupid questions that have no bearing on alignment. how exactly is an answer to your previous post going to help you or anyone find scum, emp?

Its to see if it causes one of Sotty's scumbuddies to speak up to give her permission to answer it.

It worked.

[Empking]

Mod: VC?

Why don't you think scum would have thought that Percy would be an easy lynch?

Did you read yesterday or the day before

at all?

Percy is a good player who can argue well, he couldn't save himself from a lynch but he put up on hell of a fight. You on the other hand couldn't match that kind of effort.

He put up a horrible fight and was the closest to lynch pretty much the entire day. He was obviously an easy lynch because he was lynched easily.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Dizzy

There's no question whether she's scummy though it'd still be better with a Sajin lynch.

[Empking]

Voyte: ROFL

His claim seems fake and Tar want'd Rofl dead today and now Tar is dead (Probably by ROFL's scum group considering Discontinued had the best motive for killing Siro.)

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hey lazy asses who aren't reasoning through a vote for me, here are the real options for today:

lynch empking straight up
OR
allow either empking or myself to hammer sajin

i can accept that i'm a very likely lynch for today, considering the way yesterday went down and the fact that tar died tonight (despite that fact that ANY scum would kill him), but the town needs to deal with the sajin situation sooner than later and allowing the primary lynch candidate to sac on sajin is the right way to go. either a) sajin is scum and dies or b) sajin is a supersaint and the person the town wants to lynch gets killed anyway. either way sajin is no longer a giant question mark for the endgame.

obviously i think empking is the way to go.

now i'm really v/la though. see y'all on sunday.

Yeah, they're not the only real options for today, and I'm honsetly shocked that you thought people would buy that.

(despite that fact that ANY scum would kill him),

So siro was killed by a vig?

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Sajin: Looks like you're wrong about more than just me and Sotty is Sprite as well.

To town who aren't voting Rofl (if there are any) remember that Rofl is obv-sprite and that we only really have a chance of winning if we kill sprite today.

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I did not "admit" to being Discontinued. Sprite likely has 3 players left so if we don't kill sprite today we'd be relying on D to do it for us.

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Makin' with the Dead (13/

25

):

]

Korlash, Flintlocke of Flintlocke's Guide to Azeroth, 2-shot Hitman of the Discontinued Mafia, Electrocuted N2

DizzyIzzyB13, Black Mage of 8-Bit Theater, NK-Immune Godfather of the Sprite Mafia, Lynched D4

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The roles aren't even vaguely in the same ballpark of power.

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so you're saying the nk immune gf is

less

powerful than a 2-shot hitman? limited use role vs very strong static ability? and based on one death from each group you've decided that sprite mafia has more members and therefore you will completely ignore discontinued?

I will not ignore discontinued, I will merely pay more attention to them when they're so close to winning.

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you have failed to prove your theory that one mafia is larger than the other.

How so?

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you have failed to prove your theory that one mafia is larger than the other.

How so?

now you're just playing stupid

How so?
Why did you dodge the question?

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1. Hasdgfas - Sprite
4. Sotty7 (Slicey) -Sprite
15. Head_Honcho - Dis
17. roflcopter -Sprite
24. Tubby216 (ZazieR) - Dis

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I'm here. We sjhould still lynch ROFL.

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Tubby and ROFL are obv-scum buddies.

The "The game's dead and I want a ROFL lynch but I'm not going to hammer him for no good reason" thing. Plus even after that ROFL is claioming that he's

my

scum buddy and even if you don't have the information (ThatI'm pro-town) that I have, that's clearly not true.

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Sooty; Since you're probably not scum, can you reread the game and vote and ROFL?

[Empking]

empking is desperate for someone to hammer me before anyone decides they like my idea and unvotes, it seems

No one will decide they like your idea, due to the fact that its mind numbingly stupid.

[Empking]

lol!

Your plan is "I'm town don't lynch me." just with some random nonsensical things thrown in there.

[Empking]

One Kill = Blocked Kill is a nonsensical idea, especially when the one claiming who was blocked only requires two more town (or discontinued) lynches to win.

[Empking]

Even if you're convinced I am discontinued ROFL is a better lynch because 1) Sprite clearly has three living players, 2) I clearly think that Dis only has two living members 3) I'll probably get night killed 4) ROFL is more likely to be a power role.

[Empking]

1. Hasdgfas - Sprite
4. Sotty7 (Slicey) -Sprite
15. Head_Honcho - Dis
17. roflcopter -Sprite
24. Tubby216 (ZazieR) - Dis

Tubby and ROFL are obv-scum buddies.

The "The game's dead and I want a ROFL lynch but I'm not going to hammer him for no good reason" thing. Plus even after that ROFL is claioming that he's

my

scum buddy and even if you don't have the information (ThatI'm pro-town) that I have, that's clearly not true.

Sooty; Since you're probably not scum, can you reread the game and vote and ROFL?

there's a major disconnect between these three posts as empking just spouts whatever is most convenient at any given moment

Wow that's incredible I changed my mind about two lurkers slightly when new information came to light.

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o rly? what new evidence made you suddenly decide that sotty wasn't sprite? the fact that you desperately needed her vote? and likewise, you recast tubby the instant he didn't vote the way you wanted.

Sotty wasn't spire because Has was more likely Sprite than her and Tubby became pretty clearly sprite.

I don't see how you could be arguing in good faith that the Sotty descision was suddenly consisdering it was posted straight after I pointed out how Tubby was clearly one of your partners.

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EMP STOP IGNORING HALF OF WHAT I SAY TO YOU, PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR YOUR ASSERTIONS:

Even if you're convinced I am discontinued ROFL is a better lynch because 1) Sprite clearly has three living players, 2) I clearly think that Dis only has two living members 3) I'll probably get night killed 4) ROFL is more likely to be a power role.

once again you don't provide ONE SINGLE IOTA of evidence to back up your claims aside from the use of hyperbole

Do you want me to take a print screen of my two posts? Because I don't know why I should have to when you could just look at it yourself.

At the very least its better than you making up evidence by taking quotes out of context.

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MOD: PRODS PLS. SRSLY.

To Empking and tubby - please explain using setup info or any other evidence you can think of why there are more likely to be 4 sprite than 4 discontinued?

The quotes I gave perviously. Plus if y'all are right and dis has both a hitman and an un-nkable and sprite just have one then its clear that sprite must have more members.

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Oh I might as well try and claim now.

Threre was three of us.

The two-shot Hitman had two additional kills that he could use. My scum buddy is UN-NKable. I think its pretty much guaranteed that either they have three members left or that they have an extra two kills left.

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I agree SC, its not like there were hidrers, un-nkable and roleblockers in the game. Personally I think they have four scum so your argument DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. We had Kor double kill day 1 but he was the only one really caring about night actions.

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So who did Korlash target?

I've deleted it. (or he didn't tell me.)

SC; If you're making all you descision in this game based on the idea that nothing can block kills then even if I don't know what blocked his kill (presumbly the RB as we didn't care about Percy or Dizzy) I should tell you that there was a RB in the game.

[Empking]

Other than Flintlock what comic do you think caused the other Dis N1/N2 kill?

[Empking]

Sorry, you're saying you don't know who your own scum team targeted to kill??

><

Yeah.

[Empking]

SC; You still haven't answered what comic the first and second kill flavour's could come from other that Flintlock.

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empking's claim (aside from the part where he admits he's scum) is all likely bullshit. he's either the nk immune member himself or there are three living discontinued, because the only reason to make a claim like that is as a gambit.

hasdgfas' last post is many kinds of awful, but i still feel like empking's partner(s) is/are head honcho and tubby. i can't imagine discontinued-hascow would have missed the opportunity to hammer me when it was there.

Or because you're going to win if we don't lynch you today.

SC- Considering Woodchucks and Beavers are like the exact same thing, I'd consider them pretty close.