The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

dramonic · Post Post #1452 (isolation #0) » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:07 am

Some news from our studios, I'll be taking over Shadow Knight's position as anchorman!

Now to read the 60 pages of this fight @_@

dramonic · Post Post #1571 (isolation #1) » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:01 pm

lol, its going to take me like 2 weeks to finish reading if you post this quick XD

dramonic · Post Post #1659 (isolation #2) » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:14 am

AGH! I'm finally done with a partial read of this. God knows it was really long ><

Now, for my vote/vig-vote:

I'm not voting before the vig occurs, since the vig is going to have an effect on who I vote.

As for the vig-vote, I STRONGLY believe that we should (and shall, unless something really defining occurs) vig Setael.

His case against Lamont is ridiculously weak and he's given no decent defense for the scummier actions he's been attributed.

Among other things: sure, it was originally Amished who proposed the no MRB idea and it does sound suspicious, but you're supporting it. If we're going to vig someone over it, I'd rather have it be the one who hasn't shown a PR possibility.

Also:

Setael wrote:
devestation wrote:Setael: Why say I should be vigged without placing a vig-vote thingy? It's not particularly suspicious to me, but why anyway?
First, if it's not suspicious, why ask about it?
Second, if it wasn't suspicious in the first place, why point back at it when I don't answer it?
Third, is there some rule I don't know about that you have to place a "vig-vote thingy?"

Why would town so blatantly avoid answering a simple question? Also, there is a rule for that third point, it's called common sense. Are you even aware how completely scummy that answer of yours was?

On a sidenote, Devastation’s quick acceptance to such a bad answer is very odd, but I’ll see about that after the vig.

Let's vig Setael

dramonic · Post Post #1681 (isolation #3) » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:16 am

@Devestation
I know, but you let her off pretty easy. No matter.

@Pyromaniac
Don't post all in caps please, it's irritating and useless. There are special ponctuation marks for those moments, like !

@KoC
Happy Scumday

dramonic · Post Post #1716 (isolation #4) » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:27 am

*insert thumb twiddling*

Where is Nyx?

dramonic · Post Post #1733 (isolation #5) » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:28 pm

Doesn't a doc with a sanity flip start killing his patients?
Or is he just ineffective?

dramonic · Post Post #1939 (isolation #6) » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:36 am

<<
>>

With Nyx gone, this could take a while.
If we don't move it we're going to have a no-lynch.

dramonic · Post Post #2136 (isolation #7) » Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:10 am

Oh for the love of...

You're stalling... so... much.

Unvote
Vigvote:Steph

dramonic · Post Post #2144 (isolation #8) » Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:31 am

Pyro, if you unvote Nyx is STILL going to stall for time -_-

dramonic · Post Post #2145 (isolation #9) » Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:32 am

oh wait, nevermind that, you unvoted, not un-vigvoted

dramonic · Post Post #2276 (isolation #10) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:14 pm

Shiny

Oh wait, it's my own wagon <<

Basically I guess you people want me to explain those two posts? Let's get to it then :3

Among other things: sure, it was originally Amished who proposed the no MRB idea and it does sound suspicious, but you're supporting it. If we're going to vig someone over it, I'd rather have it be the one who hasn't shown a PR possibility.

honestly, I fail to see what you guys see as scummy in there. Set supports Amished suspicious idea. The idea sounds scummy, therefore supporting it sounds scummy. However, since there are odds that Amished is a doc-type PR, lynching him is a huge risk. That's all there is to it <<

Oh for the love of...

You're stalling... so... much.

Unvote
Vigvote:Steph

It's isn't feigned annoyance, I find it aggravating that it was what, 8 days to the deadline and we're still discussing who to vig. Like Set said, any of the wagons would've been a good source of info to vig, so I was purely trying to get someone vigged as quickly as possible so that we can get the information on the death and actually have some time to think about who to lynch according to that result instead of building a wagon on a player based on pure misunderstanding (or poor reading skills).

dramonic · Post Post #2279 (isolation #11) » Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:30 pm

Well, my playstyle is very "kill A or B, but kill someone damn it" as town, so you'll see that kind of attitude from me XD

Information is a better thing than interpreting posts.

dramonic · Post Post #2291 (isolation #12) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:27 am

Unless something ridiculously scummy takes place soon, I agree Pyro...

And we can't just push a lynch for the heck of it, that's ridiculously anti-town.

Although the information from someone lynched could be very useful for tomorrow's action/tonight's night actions.

AGH!

dramonic · Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:01 pm

I'm just getting done with some analysis in another game and I'll post a scumlist.

dramonic · Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:16 pm

I'd have to say I don't see real potential scum right now. Zwet's last post is scummy, Setael gives me a bad feel and I'm not quite convinced with Amished's claim, but we can't take the risk of lynching him yet, it's a ridiculously huge gambit.

I'm amused at how our claimed cop is a thief XS

dramonic · Post Post #2299 (isolation #15) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:29 pm

I wasn't aiming to impress either <<
If I don't have a lot to say I don't go on wild and ridiculous tangents.

Pyromaniac: Has been posting one liners for the vast majority of his posts. Hasn't actually bringed THAT much to the game, but he seems to be trying (a bit). Also abused cap in his case agaisnt Naomi, which he pushed ridiculously hard. A bit scummy

dramonic: Predecessor did quite a lot of lurking, I'm trying to fix that. Hasn't said a lot, barring the elixir debate, but returning to that to draw conclusions is WIFOM for me. I mean, nobody knew the effect. Lurky, but not scummy (I'll try to get rid of the lurky part)

populartajo: Is pushing for people to actually contribute and has given a rather decent summary of his own point of view. Town feel.

Lamont_Cranston : Well, his actions this far have been a bit on both side, but considering we now KNOW that Nyx was innocent, if he was scum I doubt he'd have given the shell to him, he'd probably have attempted to get the gun for himself. I also believe the bullet going hot act was to dissuade potential scum from trying to get it from him... but that's WIFOM. Town for now.

Sironigous : Doesn't post all that much, claimed vanilla townie (not very good, I can't believe I actually hired you!) His view of the players (based on his x/10 post) is pretty twisted though. slight scum vibe

Stephoscope: Seems pretty rational to me, I don't see what a lot of you people found scummy bout him. I don't remember who exactly said that, but he was accused of disappearing and letting Naomi take all the fire. The longest he's been gone is what, 4 days? It's not like it's his fault this topic moves so quickly. That and he's claimed a PR without any CC and considering he claimed a cop-style role in a game with 2X people, the odds of no town cop are slim to none. Town

Devestation: Has provided little defense when faced with potential death, even going as far as to actually self-vote (well, vig-vote). Ridiculous amount of Setael protecting in his later posts. I wouldn't say scummy or town, but there is something between these two going on.

zwetschenwasser: Similar to Pyromaniac, but without actually bringing any content to the game. rather scummy. I notice however that he's playing the exact same way in the other game I'm playing with him, so it might be a null tell (I want him lynched in one of the games anywaysw XD)

Elmo: Well, he's confirmed town, what's the need for an analysis?

Rockatansky : vig votes, then disappears for nine days. Actually votes without even asking for an explanation and gives people fake motives.
Scum

Amished: Claimed a ridiculously powerful PR and then vanished shortly after. Will need some extra questionning once the replacement appears, but we can't risk a lynch on him if he is telling the truth. pondering...

Setael : Very mixed feelings about her. She gives me scum vibes, but it's not like I have a really big case agaisnt her... All I see is the weird interactions with Dev and pendulum act on Amished's claim. slight scum vibe

ZazieR : Has been participating a lot in the last two weeks or so with good content, although her pushing so hard to lynch a claimed cop is weird. very slight scum vibe

Xtoxm: Posts in one liners without actually explaining his actions. I especially love his reason to vig-vote Dev: Change of heart. scummy

Pablo Molinero: Should DEFINITELY post more. Some of his posts have insight to them, but the amount of posts in general is really bad. Null

Naomi_Saotome: Sounded scummy for a large amount of time, but with Steph's claim and considering I believe him, she can't be scum can she?
Town

Town: Naomi, Elmo, Stepho, Lamont, Tajo
Null: Pablo, Dramonic, Amished, Zwet, Dev
Scummy:Xtowm, Rock, Pyro
Lesser Scum: Setael, Zazie, Siro

Yes, I know my last post and this one are not saying quite the same thing. I hadn't gone over everything when I made that last one.

Also, are you a bit less not impressed now?

dramonic · Post Post #2300 (isolation #16) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:29 pm

I should have bolded the names, that post is hard to read -_-

dramonic · Post Post #2303 (isolation #17) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:09 pm

Not a problem, if we have different view on people it helps avoid blind bandwagonning.

dramonic · Post Post #2304 (isolation #18) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:12 pm

yes, I know that was stating the obvious.

Care to explain why you disagree bout Pyro Xtoxm and Set, or is there a post where it's explained thatI conveniently missed? :3

dramonic · Post Post #2307 (isolation #19) » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:36 pm

I have none in particular, although I consider Pyro's change in playstyle after pushing Naomi so much to be quite radical. It's very strange at best.

Although, it is a positive change, so I wouldn't lynch him for upgrading his play.

This leaves Rock, Sironi and Zazie if I'm not mistaken?

Conveniently, only one of them is on my higher scum list

Vote: Rockatansky

I'm not about to refrain from voting just to avoid people going agaisnt me yelling "OMGUS VOTE!", as I know it isn't one.

dramonic · Post Post #2323 (isolation #20) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:00 am

Let's do a post analysis of Rock

1. Attacks Lamont with his reasons for voting being ridiculous.

2. Speculation about how the shotgun shell is apparently not a vig item. Of course it's to be used as a supository

3. Accuses Xtoxm of flooding the thread with item speculation without actually bringing an intelligent explanation to the shell (mind you, it's a pretty obvious item)

4. Plays victim

5. vigvote dev without ANY explanation

6.

Also, someone just have me prodded once all this vig nonsense is over with.

Nice way of not participating. He's not even V/LA, he's just running away. Useful way to avoid suspicion, when you don't say anything.

7. Use of fail logic to push more of his illusions on the town about lynching Lamont

8. Fails to understand basic logic when faced with it

9. Twists people's intentions to fit his needs.

Yeah, he's scummy alright.

dramonic · Post Post #2325 (isolation #21) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:13 am

clearly you must have ^_^;

I won't beat you up for it though, you're only on my null list :3

dramonic · Post Post #2327 (isolation #22) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:15 am

Devestation wrote: My flip as vanilla innocent will not be an excuse to hunt Setael. My question in itself is not an excuse to hunt Setael. The reason why I went after Setael was because of his stereotype aggressive mafia reactions, and you should have probably figured that out.

That confused me a bit, but rereading your analysis I see you think Set is scum.

I'm a bit confused I'll admit.

dramonic · Post Post #2336 (isolation #23) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:25 am

Are you actually planning to bring up a defense at some point or just complain?

dramonic · Post Post #2352 (isolation #24) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:06 am

We're running low on time, where are the others when we need them ><

dramonic · Post Post #2356 (isolation #25) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:11 am

As if lurking was the biggest of his faults... <<

dramonic · Post Post #2359 (isolation #26) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:14 am

agreed.

The more info we have the more solid the claims become.

dramonic · Post Post #2362 (isolation #27) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:15 am

pretty sure stepho ALREADY said it though

dramonic · Post Post #2391 (isolation #28) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:56 pm

Pyromaniac wrote:Although purposing polices is usually bad, I have one to suggest. How about if we get to two days before deadline, we lynch the person with the most votes.IF there are two wagons that might possible go through (one at 6, the other at 5) then we will force everybody to chose between one of those two wagons. Sound good?

I'd endorse this too if I wasn't currently the highest lynch. It's not that I'm unwilling to die for the town, it's more that I don't think I'm currently a source of info upon death, having not participated a lot.

Lynching lurkers is good and all, but information wise it's crappy.

Also, having read the last few pages, I'm not convinced that the fact Steph called himself innocent is obvscum.

We'll see with his response (if any) I guess.

dramonic · Post Post #2393 (isolation #29) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:27 pm

I think it's fine for now, it's not like there aren't scummier players out there <<

dramonic · Post Post #2403 (isolation #30) » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:54 pm

So you could consider unvoting my shiny wagon, Elmo :3

I know I'm at L-7 or something, but considering we agreed to lynch the one with the highest vote count when the deadline becomes too close... yeah <<

dramonic · Post Post #2443 (isolation #31) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:36 am

Don't you think you're pushing a bit too hard Zazie?

dramonic · Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:32 pm

That was quite the post Amished.

I don't know bout you guys, but for me that's enough to warrant not voting Steph (not that I was XD)

dramonic · Post Post #2491 (isolation #33) » Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:57 pm

doh!

My last post was referring to Amished's post on page 99, forgot to read page 100 when I made it XD

Also, the "before posts" in your analysis are me going with the flow, not being done reading the whole topic yet. the "after" are once I'm done reading.

also, since I've been seeing much of it, someone tell me what ISO means ><

dramonic · Post Post #2493 (isolation #34) » Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:36 pm

ah, thank you very much

dramonic · Post Post #2506 (isolation #35) » Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:11 pm

I don't want the day to end in a no-lynch, but Steph has given plenty of reasons for us to believe he IS town and saying he's scummy based on his PM reformulation is a far stretch.

On a sidenote, unless he votes himself, some votes will have to change.

dramonic · Post Post #2510 (isolation #36) » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:34 pm

Pyromaniac wrote:Naomi says stepho is scum.

That must be why she's not voting him <<

dramonic · Post Post #2531 (isolation #37) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:57 am

Setael wrote:Ok I'm back. I think Dramonic is scum. I see two possibilities, based on his posts re: Stepho
1) He's scum with Stepho
2) He's scum who knows Stepho is telling the truth about his claim, and he therefore has not questioned the claim so as not to draw negative attention if we lynch Stepho and he turns up "Good".

I'm not sure which, but I'm leaning #2.

I’m leaning 3) He’s town who thinks the accusations on Stepho are overeaggerated. Also, how could I know if his claim is true or not if I were scum? If I WAS scum I’d be on the Stepho wagon, either for bussing (1) or cuz a cop is a danger for the mafia (2).

Setael wrote:
Dramonic wrote:Devestation: Has provided little defense when faced with potential death, even going as far as to actually self-vote (well, vig-vote). Ridiculous amount of Setael protecting in his later posts. I wouldn't say scummy or town, but there is something between these two going on.
This was extremely scummy. He attempts to tie Dev and me together without giving any details or quoting anything. When Dev calls him on it, he takes it back but never explained why he said it in the first place.

I thought I answered that already. Well, no matter, here’s the quote Setael:

Devastation wrote: My flip as vanilla innocent will not be an excuse to hunt Setael. My question in itself is not an excuse to hunt Setael. The reason why I went after Setael was because of his stereotype aggressive mafia reactions, and you should have probably figured that out.

Those first two sentences sound a lot like “don’t attack Set, don’t attack Set” to me <<

Setael wrote: post 2391 was the first indication I had that either dramonic is scum with stepho or knows stepho is town. He doesn't question the claim at all in spite of what so many are interpreting as a clear contradiction.

Post 2391:

dramonic wrote: I'd endorse this [the lynch the highest one when this close to deadline] too if I wasn't currently the highest lynch. It's not that I'm unwilling to die for the town, it's more that I don't think I'm currently a source of info upon death, having not participated a lot.

Lynching lurkers is good and all, but information wise it's crappy.

Also, having read the last few pages, I'm not convinced that the fact Steph called himself innocent is obvscum.

We'll see with his response (if any) I guess.

Me not being convinced = knowing what steph is???

Setael wrote: The second is after Amished came back:

dramonic wrote:That was quite the post Amished.

I don't know bout you guys, but for me that's enough to warrant not voting Steph (not that I was XD)

What I said earlier <<

Setael wrote:Dramonic's post 2307 was also really scummy – he seems to vote according to lamont's scumlist. That whole post gave a really bad vibe.

Correction mam, I’m voting according to my own scum list, while taking into consideration the opinion of others. I would probably fail to lynch someone on my scum list who isn’t on anyone else’s, therefore I vote the one who is most likely to be lynched on my scum-list. He’s not any less scummy than the others anyways.

(...)

Setael wrote:Of my two options, I am leaning toward thinking Dramonic is scum who knows Stepho is town.

I'd vote Dramonic here, but I already am.

I invite you to go ahead and try lynching me, however I doubt you’ll find a lot of town players who’ll agree with your case on me, it’s quite a bit of a stretch. We’re much better off lynching Rock.

dramonic · Post Post #2540 (isolation #38) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:05 pm

lol, pyro is bloodthirsty

dramonic · Post Post #2556 (isolation #39) » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:19 am

What Dev said

dramonic · Post Post #2559 (isolation #40) » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:33 am

ZazieR wrote:
Worst case scenario, we lynch him and it turns out he's our cop. It would be incredibly damaging to the town and we may end up going after those who pushed his wagon, when they could very easily be Innocents that saw a contradiction in something that was just Stepho misunderstanding/misspeaking.
It would not be THAT awful if we let him live another day even if it turns out he's scum
.

As long as the possibility exists that stepho is the cop, it is STUPID to lynch Stepho today and imo only scum will push it.
Contradictory much?

Not that much <<

dramonic · Post Post #2576 (isolation #41) » Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:52 am

21 hours til deadline...

dramonic · Post Post #2578 (isolation #42) » Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:52 am

I think if Zazie is scum, it's not a very good disguise <<

dramonic · Post Post #2659 (isolation #43) » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:20 pm

Myself
Pyromaniac
populartajo
Lamont_Cranston
zwetschenwasser
Rockatansky
Setael
ZazieR

This is the list of the people who haven't claimed/died (If I'm not mistaken)

If we suppose we have 2 other "parts" of DeFoe AND the mafia to catch (how many are there usually in a 20 men setup, 4?)

That leaves us with only 2 "town" roles.

We've got liars in our claimed roles, or I'm misinterpreting something <<

I say we lynch either Naomi or Rock.

Rock for the same reasons as yesterday
Naomi because if she is lying we can go from there to catch lies (Steph, Pablo, Dev) and if she's telling the truth it'll confirm Dev, Steph and Pablo, without killing a really important role, now that she's used up her investigation.

dramonic · Post Post #2661 (isolation #44) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:44 am

Agreed

dramonic · Post Post #2667 (isolation #45) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:48 am

So shall I

Vote: Rock

dramonic · Post Post #2679 (isolation #46) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:46 am

ZazieR wrote:
Dramonic wrote:If we suppose we have 2 other "parts" of DeFoe AND the mafia to catch (how many are there usually in a 20 men setup, 4?)
What kind of role do you think the last two parts will be and why?

No clue, haven't played the game...

@Setael: Care to explain your vote a bit better than "he's scummy?"

dramonic · Post Post #2685 (isolation #47) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:19 am

we have a lot of lurkers <<

dramonic · Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:29 am

I usually consider lurkers to include the people who post once every week or so.

So Siro and Pablo could be counted too...

dramonic · Post Post #2709 (isolation #49) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:52 am

May I know how voting me is related to a matchbox?

dramonic · Post Post #2713 (isolation #50) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:57 am

Well, it's a good reason to be confused XS

Unless it relates to the doll?

GREAT I knew being a TV Anchorman would give me fanboys/girls/murderous spirits

dramonic · Post Post #2727 (isolation #51) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:55 am

ZazieR wrote:
dramonic wrote:Well, it's a good reason to be confused XS

Unless it relates to the doll?

GREAT I knew being a TV Anchorman would give me fanboys/girls/murderous spirits
Can you elaborate on the bolded?

I thought Pablo had taken both.

dramonic · Post Post #2729 (isolation #52) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:01 am

Hopefully if I get one I won't have to vote myself without explaining XP

dramonic · Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:27 pm

It's still an amusing coincidence. Shall we lynch him for it? XD

dramonic · Post Post #2738 (isolation #54) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:07 pm

Well, if we follow the doll assumption, then it turns you into a SK of sort, it doesn't kill you.

If that is right, then we can suppose Pablo voted me based on the matches. Whoever has the match can explain this and out themself or not do so. Anyway if the matches hate me so the owner will probably vote me too <<

dramonic · Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:51 pm

but then why did Pablo vote me without any explanation?

dramonic · Post Post #2755 (isolation #56) » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:38 am

Well, if he's townie he COULD kill all the scum and others inside, resulting in a town win XD

But I doubt we can escape the manor right now.

dramonic · Post Post #2761 (isolation #57) » Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:12 pm

Well, if the matches are supposed to be used to burn the house, they'll make it to endgame. Also, their bearer dying doesn't seem to change anything, look at Pablo.

dramonic · Post Post #2764 (isolation #58) » Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:41 am

Well, if the theory about the doll possessing the user is correct we'll probably have proof during the night.

dramonic · Post Post #2773 (isolation #59) » Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:58 pm

But Pablo had no reason to want to appear town, he WAS town.

dramonic · Post Post #2775 (isolation #60) » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:24 pm

I know that, I mean it's not like anyone had real suspicions on him from what I can tell.

In fact, his vote without an explanation made him sound scummier.

dramonic · Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:44 am

what is we wuz robbed supposed to mean?

dramonic · Post Post #2804 (isolation #62) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:21 am

Claim Tally

(don''t have it)
Lamont
Pyro
Stepho
Zazie
Setael
Dram

dramonic · Post Post #2808 (isolation #63) » Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:53 am

for what the list is worth, it'll show us who is lurking as opposed to who has the doll or matches <<

dramonic · Post Post #2835 (isolation #64) » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:30 am

Are we actually supposed to buy that crap Set?

Unvote
Vote: Setael

dramonic · Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:15 am

but it makes no sense to put an item on which the whole fate of the town's victory depends. I think Set is lying

On the other hand, if she IS telling the truth and we lynch her...

dramonic · Post Post #2846 (isolation #66) » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:04 pm

Is that you?

dramonic · Post Post #2863 (isolation #67) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:12 am

SO shall someone end Set?

dramonic · Post Post #2895 (isolation #68) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:25 am

Unvote

The fact that KoC changed "player" for "character" is making me rather uneasy and very unsure about Set's lie... I'd be more confortable with Stepho investigating Set before we lynch.

Also, why do you want to lynch me stepho?

dramonic · Post Post #2904 (isolation #69) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:39 am

hmmm. 2 things

1

Pablo wrote:Just one and the matches appear to be decidedly useless so far. Yay.

Explain this?

2.rereading your ISO since you got the matches, you keep contradicting yourself Set.

Vote (again): Setael

dramonic · Post Post #2907 (isolation #70) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:41 am

Why is everyone obsessed with lynching me tommorow? I mean, I could ask Steph to investigate me, but most of you don't trust him (and he's better off investigating the psycho-Zaz)

dramonic · Post Post #2911 (isolation #71) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:45 am

Zaz and Steph sure love each other XD

dramonic · Post Post #2923 (isolation #72) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:58 am

Stephoscope wrote:
dramonic wrote:Why is everyone obsessed with lynching me tommorow? I mean, I could ask Steph to investigate me, but most of you don't trust him (and he's better off investigating the psycho-Zaz)
This is a strange post, given that there hasn't been all that much talk about lynching you, and I don't feel any less trusted than anyone else really.

hohum wrote: We can look at Dramonic and Steph tomorrow.

Stephoscope wrote:I would prefer to lynch dramonic

Setael wrote:In case someone quick hammers I think zazier and dramonic are scum and possibly Tajo.

populartajo wrote: Prob scum
steph
zwet
lamont
dramonic
rock
pyro

and we've all noticed Zaz doesn't believe you

I have to agree, I thought more people didn't believe you. I blame it on Zaz being all over the place

dramonic · Post Post #2930 (isolation #73) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:02 am

@Hohum

Stephoscope wrote:
dramonic wrote:Why is everyone obsessed with lynching me tommorow? I mean, I could ask Steph to investigate me, but most of you don't trust him (and he's better off investigating the psycho-Zaz)
This is a strange post,
given that there hasn't been all that much talk about lynching you
, and I don't feel any less trusted than anyone else really.

I was just showing Steph that for reasons I've yet to be told I have a bunch of people who want me dead tommorow.

dramonic · Post Post #2931 (isolation #74) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:03 am

@Zaz

I know, that's my point.

dramonic · Post Post #2934 (isolation #75) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:06 am

what good would that accomplish?

The moment a scum knows he's been investigated he'll make sure not to get his partners in trouble <<

dramonic · Post Post #2941 (isolation #76) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:12 am

but isn't that risking a modkill?

I mean, according to rule 10 code is fine, but if you put ALL the details of your investigation, isn't it almost like quoting your pm?

dramonic · Post Post #2945 (isolation #77) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:14 am

I am now lost.

The way I understand it, he says he's going to say the result directly, but add the whole pm in code under

dramonic · Post Post #2964 (isolation #78) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:25 pm

Is there a part here that takes into account the result being real and scum?

dramonic · Post Post #2967 (isolation #79) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:01 pm

then what's your alternative? I'm not about to vote myself and it seems people don't want to lynch Rock for serving no purpose.

As for Zaz, she's mental, but I don't think she's scum.

dramonic · Post Post #2969 (isolation #80) » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:17 pm

I'm agaisnt it, in all honesty XP

dramonic · Post Post #2992 (isolation #81) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:16 am

Setael wrote:I think they'd be more like dramonic and zazier, unvoting to avoid too much suspicion and never really pushing my lynch that hard.

Err... I'm voting you right now, you know that?

dramonic · Post Post #3001 (isolation #82) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:51 am

optimal Lamont, optimal

dramonic · Post Post #3027 (isolation #83) » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:20 pm

That requires Stepho to be scum, obviously he won't agree with you Pyro

dramonic · Post Post #3054 (isolation #84) » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:09 am

I'm all for it

unvote, Vote Naomi

dramonic · Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:44 pm

I think we can worry about Zwet's scumminess once we have an investigation result :3

dramonic · Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:53 pm

Theorically, we'll know very quickly if Steph is lying scum or not.

I mean, if Naomi flips scum, he is scum.
If she flips town, he is town.

If he had said she was an innocent he could be scum even if she's town, but he stated a SPECIFIC role, so I doubt he could hit it dead-on on the first try. It'd be a ridiculous gambit.

dramonic · Post Post #3074 (isolation #87) » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:02 pm

Lamont_Cranston wrote:Oh ya I forgot. Zwet doesn't play ridiculous gambits.

I was saying Steph was making a ridiculous gambit, not Zwet.

dramonic · Post Post #3076 (isolation #88) » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:05 pm

I don't think what Zwet is doing is a gambit. I'd call it a suicide maneouver.

how do you spell that word anyways <<

dramonic · Post Post #3078 (isolation #89) » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:46 pm

lol, I just wanted the spelling, but thanks anyways.

dramonic · Post Post #3083 (isolation #90) » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:31 pm

her.

You should, why not?

dramonic · Post Post #3090 (isolation #91) » Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:24 am

Actually Set, whatever happens to Naomi's death will confirm Steph. If she dies as Trilby he's town, if not he's scum. Simple as that.

Anyways the next highest two wagon are you who say you mustn't die and Steph who is the cop.

dramonic · Post Post #3104 (isolation #92) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:52 am

I'm surprised the killer went for Elmo, considering he was going to die from ther sickness anyways 0_o

dramonic · Post Post #3119 (isolation #93) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:01 am

the way I see it the spear wielder must have been blocked/ victim protected and he's scum...

and we have a new SK going around.

dramonic · Post Post #3129 (isolation #94) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:41 pm

good luck ^_^;

dramonic · Post Post #3139 (isolation #95) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:56 am

That would explain why nobody has claimed to have the doll.

dramonic · Post Post #3141 (isolation #96) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:05 am

So you suppose last night's kill was randomized?
Well, that would explain why it targetted Elmo, of all people.

dramonic · Post Post #3146 (isolation #97) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:37 am

Think we could destroy the idol? If it's made of wood I bet Set could use one of the matches to burn it

dramonic · Post Post #3151 (isolation #98) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:49 am

Zwet never said he had the doll <<

dramonic · Post Post #3155 (isolation #99) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:08 am

I propose we lynch either Sironigous or L-K (with more support on Siro, he's lurking hard). Neither of them have claimed not having the doll and they're both possible scum for me.

dramonic

I know I'm with the innocents/town/whatever you wanna call it

Stephoscope

Cleared by Naomi

Devestation

Cleared by Naomi

Amished

Cleared by Hohum/Elmo if I'm not mistaken

Setael

Cleared by Steph

Lamont_Cranston

gut feeling + giving the bullet to Nyx is town to me

zwetschenwasser

Not gonna take the risk, I naturally fail at getting reads on him -_-

ZazieR

Overzealous, but has been searching every little nook and cranny for slips.

Pyromaniac
populartajo
Sironigous
Light-kun

If we have 4 scum, which sounds like a plausible amount to me for a 19 player game, then in my mind we have good chance to hit scum if we lynch one of them + if we lynch Siro we get rid of a lurker and a non-doll claimed.

For now,

Vote: Sironigous

dramonic · Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:40 am

No one in their right mind would not clear themselves. I said it was my scumlist, not THE scumlist, even if I believe they are the same.

dramonic · Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:50 pm

ZazieR wrote:
Stephoscope wrote:I still believe dramonic is our best lynch. I hate it when people post scumlists that conveniently clear themselves, and his proposition to use the matches on the doll is beyond fishy.
Good point about the matches. Dramonic, can you explain why you suggested it?

Of course. After reread, it was based on a misread of the following iso:

Pablo Molinero wrote: Just one and the matches appear to be decidedly useless so far. Yay.

I read it as just one of the matches. As such, I was sure we could use all matches separately, but if we can then I still think we should try it.

dramonic · Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:28 pm

I will try to answer your question ^_^

Light-kun wrote:
Lamont_Cranston wrote:We're down to one kill, excellent.

We still have the dam doll to deal with.

Light-Kun do you have the doll?
No, I do not.

Mkay. Just so you know, you have a pit to climb out of. Your predecessor was kinda scummy

Lamont_Cranston wrote:Good point. I'm glad you looked it up. Xtoxm definitely wasn't the evil boy and the blade that killed Hohum was not specified.
Hm.. hacked to death...makes me think of a long broad knife...like a machete or an axe.

According to flavour text, it's a machete wielded by the "parts" of John DeFoe, probably his spirit right now if we follow the doll thesis. The scum was probably blocked or hit a doc protected, which would explain only one kill yesterday.

Or the one scum sent to do the kill had the doll. That'd be an awesome coincidence

Okay, I read about 10 pages, and I still felt like I was in the RVS, so someone explain to me a summary of what major events happened and why the "confirmed" are confirmed. (I'll read those sections, but my read in the first 10 pages that some people felt town 'came useless due to who's died.

-Day 1: Bullet and Blood appeared, Hohum drank the blood and Lamont took the bullet. By drinking the blood, Hohum made himself to die at the end of Day 3
-Day 2: Shotgun appeared, taken by Nyx (town). Lamont gave him the bullet, which partially confirms him. Shotgun backfired and killed Nyx.
-Day 3: Matches and Doll appeared. Doll is probably the wooden idol from the Chzo flavour (meaning possess the user to kill someone at night, how this is controlled is unknown). Matches are, according to Setael, necessary for the town to win, as it has to burn down the house. Somehow, Setael mustn't die, which seems illogical, but she's been investigated so meh.

-Stephoscope is confirmed because he claimed cop and provided 2 perfectly accurate investigations.
-Setael is confirmed because Steph said she's town
-Amished is confirmed because he claimed doc and extended Elmo/Hohum's life as proof, if I'm not mistaken
-Devastation is confirmed because Naomi who had 1-shot investigate used it on Dev and he showed up town.

-Lamont is partially confirmed due to giving the bullet to a town. As scum, that would have been a bad maneuver (even though not giving it would have been scummy, wifom wifom)
-ZazieR is partially confirmed for the sheer amount of summarizing and scumhunting (and rolefishing...) she's bringing to the town

Lamont_Cranston wrote:The way I see it is there is one scum faction the same one that's been killing but we don't have the SK anymore because he's dead.
Missed Deadline? Or is the Body of John Defoe practically guaranteed to be SK?

It seems Lamont believes tonight's kill was scum. Personally I think the flavour clearly states otherwise.

Stephoscope wrote:Setael is a fine upstanding member of our community. There is absolutely no reason to lynch her or disbelieve what she's said about the matches.

Also,
9c82cb4916a46ab35a3f9fa5e17b0da0
random sequence means what?

It is a paraphrase of Stepho's investigation on Setael, coded to avoid revealing too much stuff to scum (for example, if she's a power-role we don't know, all we've been told is that she is town-aligned)

ZazieR wrote:According to Amished, the possessed idol took control over the character who touched it. I think that this is going on.
I would have never thought of that. But can we read that much into flavor?

ZazieR wrote:I think that the doll is indeed the idol.
I agree with the above conclusion.

The flavour only states that someone was possessed. However, it can be a natural conclusion to suppose it's the doll, as the doll in the game contains the spirit of John DeFoe, which in this game would probably translate to another SK, and the possessed person used the weapon of the previous SK.

dramonic wrote:I propose we lynch either Sironigous or L-K (with more support on Siro, he's lurking hard). Neither of them have claimed not having the doll and they're both possible scum for me.

dramonic
I know I'm with the innocents/town/whatever you wanna call it

Stephoscope
Cleared by Naomi

Devestation
Cleared by Naomi

Amished
Cleared by Hohum/Elmo if I'm not mistaken

Setael
Cleared by Steph

Lamont_Cranston
gut feeling + giving the bullet to Nyx is town to me

zwetschenwasser
Not gonna take the risk, I naturally fail at getting reads on him -_-

ZazieR
Overzealous, but has been searching every little nook and cranny for slips.

Pyromaniac
populartajo
Sironigous
Light-kun

If we have 4 scum, which sounds like a plausible amount to me for a 19 player game, then in my mind we have good chance to hit scum if we lynch one of them + if we lynch Siro we get rid of a lurker and a non-doll claimed.

For now,
Vote: Sironigous
Your list is interesting because Pyromaniac and sironigous are actually two people I got slight scum vibes from during my D1 read. Still, I am holding my vote for a death summary, and maybe a little background on the events.

For more extensive information on my list (yes, part of this appears earlier in this post)

-Stephoscope is confirmed because he claimed cop and provided 2 perfectly accurate investigations.
-Setael is confirmed because Steph said she's town
-Amished is confirmed because he claimed doc and extended Elmo/Hohum's life as proof, if I'm not mistaken
-Devastation is confirmed because Naomi who had 1-shot investigate used it on Dev and he showed up town.

-Lamont is partially confirmed due to giving the bullet to a town. As scum, that would have been a bad maneuver (even though not giving it would have been scummy, wifom wifom)
-ZazieR is partially confirmed for the sheer amount of summarizing and scumhunting (and rolefishing...) she's bringing to the town

-Zwet I don't know about the others, but I can never get reads on him, so don't ask me XD
-There is currently nothing from what I know that proves my innocence, but nothing that proves my guilt either.

-Siroginous has been lurking HARD and has claimed townie, which in itself is not a good thing to do
-Your predecessor was also a lurker (obviously) and a scummy one at that. I'm giving you benifit of the doubt for now until you're up to date with the game.

The other two you'll have to analyse by yourself, as nothing of theirs have appeared particularly scummy or town in my eyes.

Following my theory we'd have four scum, my current suspicions are somewhere in Zwet, Pyro, Tajo, Siro and you. As you've just replaced, I'll give you some time to get up to date and the second scummiest is Siro, therefore my vote.

(insert questions for other players here...)

@Dram's above:
Why can we not simply ask the Mod now? Have you? What did he say?

I haven't asked the mod and arguably I doubt very much he would answer me as I have neither the matches or the doll. Set would have a better chance at getting an answer and even then, I doubt the mod will tell us.

@Set: Do you have a set amount of matches? If not, would you be willing to use one to try destroying the doll if it's ever outed?

Did I miss anything, fellas?

dramonic · Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:36 pm

Oh, and deaths in order for convenience

Day 1 ended in no-lynch
The Replacement - Innocent killed N1. (killed by scum)
Sajin - Innocent killed N1 (killed by SK)

Nyx - Innocent Killed by a back-firing shotgun Day 2 (In an attempt to use incompatible arms and vig Dev)
Day 2 ended in no-lynch
Xtoxm - The Body of John DeFoe, Killed N2 (SK killed by scum)

Pablo Molinero - Innocent Mod-killed for breaking Rule 10, Day 3
Naomi_Saotome - Pro-Innocent Anti-Spirit BP/1 Shot Cop, lynched Day 3 (to prove Steph's innocence)
Elmo - Sick Innocent, hacked to death Night 3 (By our new SK, supposedly)

dramonic · Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:33 am

Also, I know we've covered this before, but I've been rethinking about it lately...

Since the matches were a dropped item and their bearer mustn't die, isn't it BEYONG bastardly that the scum or SK could have just picked them up before town and we have a draw/lose just like that?

Isn't it a bit extreme?

dramonic · Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:51 am

This game's flavour is confusing.

I mean, if the town has to burn down the mansion which is supposedly the mind of John DeFoe, isn't it ALSO trying to open the bridge?

dramonic · Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:59 pm

Unofficial votecount

Sironigous (4) - Dramonic, Lamont, Devastation, Pyromaniac

Not voting (8) - Populartajo, Sironigous, Stephoscope, Zwetchenwasser, Light-kun, Amished, Setael, ZazieR

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

dramonic · Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:48 am

Because LK isn't lurking and needs to catch up on the game.

If LK was still Rock I'd lynch him over Siro.

dramonic · Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:58 am

Since nobody seems willing to claim possession of the doll I see no reason for Siro in particular to be the liar in the group more than any other player.

And don't get me wrong, Siro IS suspicious to me. Rock is more, but his replacement is less, basically. So if you even it out, they warrant the same amount of suspicion more or less, except one isn't lurking.

dramonic · Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:27 am

Go go gadget quick-wagon <_<

Siro's claim

seems

legitimate, but it's not something scum couldn't pull-off. But yeah, I suppose there is a chance he is town, as such I'll change my vote back to Light-Kun.

Unvote
Vote: Light-Kun

Also, interesting how 3 of my top five scum are trying to get me lynched. Did I hit the nail on the head?

dramonic · Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:59 am

Lamont is totally stalking me

dramonic · Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:20 pm

0_0

Zwet voted and is not hammering!

dramonic · Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:10 pm

you being for your lynch would be a problem.

Also, yes, Lamont is the bullet case. However, it's the shotgun that backfired, therefore I don't think he could have known (Though loading an 8-bore Shotgun with a 12 bore-bullet wasn,t the best thing, not that I know anything about guns)

Also, you are voting, what for? I'm not flailing, I simply admit the possibility of myself being wrong based on a previous claim, therefore I vote a player I have considered scummier throughout the game so far, even though you claimed not having the doll.

Also, saying you want the doll to survive is plain bad. It's like saying "hey guys, let's make sure the mind of John DeFoe machetes us all to death!"

dramonic · Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:12 pm

the deadline is like... the 28th or something?

We've got time.

Also, my last post was in response to Light-Kun.

dramonic · Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:35 pm

Cases agaisnt me (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

Stepho's: I voted Siro who made a seemlingly plausible vanilla claim (bad case and answered it)
L-K's: I'm supposedly flailing (bad case and answered it)
Populartajo: ... we need a new shiny wagon/ counterwagon? (no case *coughscumcough*)
ZazieR: Tajo parroting (no case *coughscumscough*)
Setael: I'm not lynching the town (bad case)

Why the hell is there a wagon on me without any remotely decent cases?

dramonic · Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:28 pm

I thought we had established that a lil while ago...

dramonic · Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:18 am

You better get a good reason, I've gone through your complete ISO and nowhere have you ever mentionned me giving you ANY sort of suspicion.

dramonic · Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:19 am

the last post being in response to Zazie post 3278

Also, hi Percy ^^

dramonic · Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:25 am

I was responding to what was adressed to me. Since I am neither Dev, Zwet or LC, I have nothing else to answer to you, except that you still lack a case of why you find me scummy.

dramonic · Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:33 am

I think the doll MUST be destroyed. In order for the bridge to open, all three "parts" of John DeFoe need to be destroyed/defeated/burned/whatever

Think, the third part of John DeFoe is theorically the house. Since to escape the house, all evil must be defeated, the order will be dead before the bridge is opened by burning the house.

For all we know, burning the house is the real dangerous thing, not destroying the doll.

dramonic · Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:39 am

Claiming townie is NEVER a good thing. It very rarely stops a lynch because you can't counterclaim townie AND in case the lynch IS stopped, it helps the mafia target PRs since they don't have to worry about a VT

dramonic · Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:50 am

dramonic · Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:12 am

It doesn't make sense that Amished has the doll unless he's scum. If he didn't protect last night the scum should also have gotten a kill.

dramonic · Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:18 am

I don't mind that plan, however that will require everyone to decide to lynch the same person.

dramonic · Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:37 am

In case it wasn't clear, I too think Light Kun is the right person.

dramonic · Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:04 pm

I'm voting him following my previous scum suspicions on Rock.

dramonic · Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:23 pm

reformulate your PM for the test

dramonic · Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:50 pm

You've been very QFTing me lately. That or endorsing and approving my products XS

dramonic · Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:35 pm

Based on my previous game, he is scum XP

dramonic · Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:47 am

@ZazieR

dramonic wrote:You better get a good reason, I've gone through your complete ISO and nowhere have you ever mentionned me giving you ANY sort of suspicion.

Still waiting.

dramonic · Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:02 am

My objective is to lynch scum. I see no reason to confront someone who is voting WITH me, unless they are extremely scummy.

I want L-K lynched and they want him dead too. If they don't give a reason, it's not me who's scummy it's them.

dramonic · Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:08 pm

minimally I'd like Amished to give it away/say he is even if he doesnt have it, just to be clear, since I have very high suspicions he had it last night.

dramonic · Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:36 pm

I'm not sure I understand your theory Pyro

dramonic · Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:47 am

dramonic wrote:It doesn't make sense that Amished has the doll unless he's scum. If he didn't protect last night the scum should also have gotten a kill.

I don't think Lamont is actually bringing a lot right now. Lately all he's been doing is echoing my thoughts with QFTs and product endorsement.

I agree Zazie should be investigated, as she is slowly falling down and delving deeper in my scum list. Investigate me if you want, but there are much scummier people around.

dramonic · Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:18 am

dramonic wrote:
dramonic wrote:It doesn't make sense that Amished has the doll unless he's scum. If he didn't protect last night the scum should also have gotten a kill.

I said it in my last post which you answered to <<

Why do you mean, add WIFOM to who I want investigated?

dramonic · Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:24 am

@Zaz
they are two unrelated thoughts XS

Well, I don't mind anyone from my scum list really. You or PT or Pyro, preferably one of the first. Or Zwet, that way I won't have to explode my brains trying to get a read on him >_<

dramonic · Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:10 am

He said he didn't want a no lynch and you are saying he was softpushing the idea of no lynching.

That's what makes no sense

dramonic · Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:34 am

zwetschenwasser wrote:Can we not have another no lynch today? Just saying.

Don't lie Zaz

dramonic · Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:48 am

I don't mind

Zwet, L-K is still scummier than Pyro, even if Pyro's last idea is scummy. If they are buddies and he's trying to deflate the wagon, you're playing into his hand.

dramonic · Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:18 am

By not claiming he's got us where we are now, speculating about maybe not lynching him.

He won't claim, clearly, I propose we end him, here and now.

dramonic · Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:18 am

or here and before the deadline, whatever XD

dramonic · Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:22 am

*pat pat* You'll have other occasions

dramonic · Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:46 pm

a votecount would be nice. We are at L-1 if I'm not mistaken?

dramonic · Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:49 pm

other question: I didn't see anything about it in the rules; is a bah post allowed?

dramonic · Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:02 pm

Steph is male
Xtoxm is a SK, and the body of John DeFoe. We suspect stuff about the soul and mind, but I'll let you read, it's all explained.

dramonic · Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:23 am

Give doll to Light-Kun

dramonic · Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:34 am

People that need to give the doll:

Amished, Zwet, Dev, Percy

Amished hasn't posted in 5 days...

dramonic · Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:09 pm

Only Percy and Amished left. The one lurking and the one reading up, that's good.

Also, regarding Zaz's questions, I feel like she's just desperate for someone to make a slip of sort.

dramonic · Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:40 pm

You have my blessing.

His latest "plan" is so full of flaws I can't count them

dramonic · Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:20 am

Conclusion: dramonic is too often playing (what I think is) tactically, rather than based of reads and evidence. Probably scum.

Not sure I understand what you mean, "too" tactically.

dramonic · Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:31 pm

I'm still waiting for an actual case on me.

Also, I'll go find the ISO post where I state my reason to want to lynch Rock/L-K

dramonic · Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:34 pm

dramonic wrote:Let's do a post analysis of Rock

1. Attacks Lamont with his reasons for voting being ridiculous.

2. Speculation about how the shotgun shell is apparently not a vig item. Of course it's to be used as a supository

3. Accuses Xtoxm of flooding the thread with item speculation without actually bringing an intelligent explanation to the shell (mind you, it's a pretty obvious item)

4. Plays victim

5. vigvote dev without ANY explanation

6.
Also, someone just have me prodded once all this vig nonsense is over with.
Nice way of not participating. He's not even V/LA, he's just running away. Useful way to avoid suspicion, when you don't say anything.

7. Use of fail logic to push more of his illusions on the town about lynching Lamont

8. Fails to understand basic logic when faced with it

9. Twists people's intentions to fit his needs.

10. Lurks hard.

11. L-K refusing to claim

12. L-K not bringing any town play after Rock's play

Yeah, he's scummy alright.

12 reasons to lynch Rock/L-K

dramonic · Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:40 am

How much time until Amished is replaced <_<

dramonic · Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:43 am

Yeah, but he's been absent for the past 2 month with a 3 day increment of activity...

dramonic · Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:26 pm

marvelous, great, magnificient and synonyms.

dramonic · Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:56 am

Knight of Cydonia wrote:
Day will be ended in roughly an hour, once I've eaten and had time to write up a lynch scene. Welcome to Twilight.

Any mentions of the shitty movies/books will earn a modkill.

I made a very similar comment in a game I modded on another site

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 3:16 am

Great, so we might now be unable to win the game and to top it off, odds are we are currently in MyLo

Also, update to the list!

dramonic

Cleared by Stepho

Stephoscope

Cleared by Naomi

Devestation

Cleared by Naomi

Amished

Cleared by Hohum/Elmo

Lamont_Cranston
zwetschenwasser
Sironigous
Pyromaniac
ZazieR
Populartajo

If we have 4 scum, which still sounds like a plausible amount to me for a 19 player game, we are now in MyLo

My gut says Tajo, but at this point in the game the scum can quickvote and lynch, so I'm not voting yet

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:36 am

Amished, how many protections do you have and what kind of ridiculous mindstate is it to not protect our most essential player 0_o

Still, I'm going to

Vote: Zwet

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:58 am

I'm very uncertain about his alignment, although I'm more interested in a Zwet lynch. But we must be careful, for all we know scum might have a copy of the VT role PM.

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:59 am

Now, if you two will stop bickering, this conversation is about as useless as it is crap. we have 4 suspect. We lynch Zwet who has no defense, investigate Lamont, lynch him if he's scum, if not we lynch Pyro and investigate Tajo.

It's not rocket science <<

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:34 am

Usually bastard modding isn't completely designed to make the town lose. The match thing is already crippling enough, I doubt they have the role PM too.

Also, I'd like to make it clear, specifically for Tajo, unvoting someone who states the town PM doesn't make you town-confirmed. Scum knows who is town, therefore they can confirm any claim from a VT without being shown suspicious.

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:20 pm

We could NL, but... we're prolly gonna end up in Lylo... But right now we might be in Mylo...

Godamnit ><

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:33 pm

Tajo's claim is the weakest of the bunch though, since he approves a town PM, not produce it, if you get what I mean.

And Zaz confirmed it before he did, right?

So he could (as scum) safely say "yeah, I have that too" and unvote, knowing he's not suspicious cause someone who he KNOWS is town confirmed the PM before him.

So... Pyro, Tajo, Zwet and You.

Sounds about right?

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:54 pm

then we can just kill one of the two safest/NL and have Steph investigate him <<

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:56 pm

I'm not sure you are

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:58 pm

hmm? Explain please

(go go ppd boost XD)

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:59 pm

the post about Pyro being the only real one, not about Tajo bussing Zwet

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:00 pm

greyhound bus, that doesn't say a lot <<

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:05 pm

Well, clearly one of you is scum (or both, in my mind

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dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:09 pm

I think Sajin is bussing Steph.

Oh wait.

Can we stop with the WIFOM now?

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:12 pm

like how currently scum can easily pinpoint the remaining PRs, yes?

dramonic · Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:42 pm

I'd say Pyro has more chance of being scum than LC and Tajo added together, but it's up to Steph.

dramonic · Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:17 am

What's your reasoning for protecting these people? It makes no sense, really.

dramonic · Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:23 am

However, if Pyro isn't lying, which the precision of flavour would "prove", then we can coordinate the protections accordingly.

I'd say if Pyro is honest, Zaz is the final scum.

dramonic · Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:43 am

not what I meant, I mean your general flavour being rather precise, it leads me to believe you are not lying about this.

Other opinions would be nice, specifically those of Amished and other people more knowledgeable about the flavour than me.

dramonic · Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:51 am

I don't know, I didn't read through the whole Chzo article. That's why I haven't made a decision left about Pyro (especially considering his protects are pretty... random).

dramonic · Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:10 am

You wish for THAT to happen to me? I'm sorry Zazie ;_;

dramonic · Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:31 am

so, umm... we kill Zwet or what?

Pyro's claim isn't believable.

dramonic · Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:43 am

I don't know what makes me laugh more. The fact that Lamont supports my lynch list which he is on, or that Pyro, who claimed a rown powerrole, agrees.

dramonic · Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:53 am

nope

he's at l-1

unofficial votecount

Lamont (1) : Zwet
Zwet (5) : Dram, Amished, Tajo, Percy, Lamont

Not voting (4) : Pyro, Zazie, Steph, Dev

dramonic · Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:13 pm

Well, with a multiprotect including self-protect doc, I doubt we'd need another one.

dramonic · Thu Aug 20, 2009 6:06 pm

Percy, he's cop, not brain-draining item-scanning role-detecting space monster.

dramonic · Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:40 pm

Yes, the third option could theorically happen, but I do not have the doll.

If I did I'd claim it. We need to lynch scum anyway right now, this could be Mylo, depending on how Zwet flips. It's no time to be killing third parties.

dramonic · Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:58 am

Oh f...

dramonic · Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:00 am

third party, whoever you are, kill scum, dammit!

dramonic · Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:40 pm

Hmm, I'd agree to a Zaz lynch, she's one of the top three on my scum list.

The other two being Tajo and LC.

Vote: Zazie

dramonic · Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:47 pm

Dev was investigated by Naomi

dramonic · Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:49 pm

If Stepho could chime in that'd be of help. We don't want an extra mistake.

dramonic · Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:04 pm

I disagree with that, but unless Amished is running extra low on protections yes, we win :3

dramonic · Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:11 pm

We have no physical proof of your alignment dear.

dramonic · Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:16 pm

How would that be so darling?

dramonic · Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:20 pm

That's exactly it sugar, the game is locked for town, but we still have to see if you are part of that town.

Oh Percy, Dev was confirmed by Naomi who is dead and proven trustworthy

dramonic · Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:25 pm

Right you are cupcake

dramonic · Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:37 pm

Because we are in potential Lylo, according to the mod. More means we are dead, less means we aren't in Lylo (and 2 scums in a 21 player game? pleeeease)

dramonic · Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:52 pm

unless Steph investigated Pyro. I don't like him if he did XD

dramonic · Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:57 am

Give me a good reason for not believing the scum is Percy, LC and Zaz

dramonic · Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:32 am

Lamont_Cranston wrote:
dramonic wrote:Give me a good reason for not believing the scum is Percy, LC and Zaz
One of our innocents is a GF. That could be Tajo or anyone else that has been declared innocent by a cop.

That supposes you aren't lying scum.

dramonic · Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:56 pm

you know you keep saying "the others cleared by Steph" but I'm the only other. It's not like you don't know that, you made a scum list with who you believe is scum. The fact you'd miss something so obvious so often makes me think the scum team has good chances of being Zaz, Percy and You.

But I'm still willing to rely on Steph for checking you and Percy.

dramonic · Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:08 pm

honestly, the only confirmed scum I see is Zaz, and if there is a GF you have more odds of being the other scum than percy.

dramonic · Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:30 pm

I strongly believe Zazie has the highest odds of being scum when compared to the two of you. She has done nothing in the whole game to make me believe otherwise.

And L_C, since you didn't understand it earlier, if there is a GF, I believe Percy is the least scummy of the trio.