The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Pyromaniac]

1. WIFOM
2. WIFOM, you could think you could save her and confirm yourself.
3. Absolutely.

[Pyromaniac]

1. WIFOM
2. WIFOM, you could think you could save her and confirm yourself.
3. Absolutely.

"WIFOM" doesn't invalidate my argument. Pretend I'm scum--you need to tell me WHY THE HELL i would have played the way that i have played.

Yes it does. You could be trying some gambit.

[Pyromaniac]

Naomi says stepho is scum.

don't misquote me and put words in my mouth... You keep doing this, It's quite irritating. I don't know if he is scum or not... I was stating that he was mistaken.
Every time I try to understand you and read you as town... you do something like this..
You keep trying to tie me in with Stepho. It's like you want Stepho to come up scum, so that I look like scumbuddy... if Stepho comes up town, I still look like scum. Personally if Stepho comes out town, I will probably follow up on Stepho's read in post 1688... If Stepho comes out scum I will probably look into Pyro/Xtoxm as possible scumbuddies

I am not putting words in your mouth. You said something that absolutely damns him. Unless the mod lied. I can't even begin to imagine how fucked up that would be. If stepho did not claim cop, I would be lynching you. I don't play

this

aggressively as scum. That is not WIFOM that is meta. I hate to use meta as a defense, but I have not really seen your case. Besides trying to get stepho lynched and accusing you.

[Pyromaniac]

Hopefully he will be scum with stepho and they will miss their night kill.

[Pyromaniac]

Oh. Good point.

[Pyromaniac]

Is it really IMPOSSIBLE that one power role would have "fellow innocents" in their role pm and others wouldn't? In THIS game when nothing is impossible? The mod even lets completely inexperienced players in. Just to mess with us. Anything is possible.

Yes.

Mostly different factions.

[Pyromaniac]

Damn. I didn't realize that the day had started.

[Pyromaniac]

I find that Naomi investigated deves suspicious. He was almost confirmed.

[Pyromaniac]

Why is naomi/stepho clear again? Stepho could be a role cop. Deves was confirmed.

[Pyromaniac]

Naomi why would you even consider inspecting stepho?

[Pyromaniac]

Is that in order from most town to least town?

[Pyromaniac]

Naomi
Stepho
Rock
dramonic
zwet seems like town zwet, not that I have ever played a game with him.

[Pyromaniac]

Also, Jon DeFoe sounds like a SK faction. With the mind and whatever the third one is. Whenever the body dies one of them gets killing powers.

[Pyromaniac]

I did not take the matches.

[Pyromaniac]

I wasn't on while they were taken.

[Pyromaniac]

I did not take the matches.

Why did you state this?

It would be helpful for us to know who took the matches. It would be helpful to know what they do.

[Pyromaniac]

I think the doll has malevolent effects.

[Pyromaniac]

Well, I still think that John DeFoe is a serial killer team.

[Pyromaniac]

Well, I still think that John DeFoe is a serial killer team.

I don''t think so. A serial killer works on his own. Even if there are more, they all work on their own. So it''s not possible for them to be a team.
And speculating on it doesn''t help. We''ll find out during the night.

Political mafia.

[Pyromaniac]

Well, I still think that John DeFoe is a serial killer team.

I don''t think so. A serial killer works on his own. Even if there are more, they all work on their own. So it''s not possible for them to be a team.
And speculating on it doesn''t help. We''ll find out during the night.

Political mafia.

What?

Has a serial killer duo.

[Pyromaniac]

Sorry, US election 08.

[Pyromaniac]

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[Pyromaniac]

I don't have it

[Pyromaniac]

He could but he won't. >_> <_< ˚–˚

[Pyromaniac]

Naomi also said that it was stepho or deves.

[Pyromaniac]

Lynch Seteal

Pablo died. Matches lived on.

[Pyromaniac]

3. Innocents win if they destroy all Evil players. The Evil characters win when they have a majority, and are deemed powerful enough to over-power any and all remaining factions.

[Pyromaniac]

To prevent a multi-protecting doc from being overpowered, I'd bet that at least one person, whom may be Xtomx, has the ability to break through protection at least once.

[Pyromaniac]

Dear USER
You are the house.
You are not actually in this game.

[Pyromaniac]

No. Set should be lynched. A naomi lynch would get us more info, though.

[Pyromaniac]

Naomi could be scum and amished be town.

[Pyromaniac]

Naomi could be scum and amished be town.

This is not possible, as Naomi is Trilby. There is a chance the vice-versa is true, but I think it's a very small chance.

There is definitely a chance that naomi is scum and amished is town.

[Pyromaniac]

It is absolutely clear that none of you are clear.

[Pyromaniac]

Vote Count

Naomi_Saotome: 5 (populartajo, Zazier, Lamont_Cranston, dramonic, Stephoscope)
ZazieR: 2 (Amished, Setael)
Setael: 1 (Devestation)

Naomi has failed to pick up her prod, and will be replaced. Sironigous has failed to re-appear for 72 hours after his V/LA, and will be replaced, as he has not been on the site since the 4th.

This is wrong. I am oting for setael.

[Pyromaniac]

I express my willingness to vote.

[Pyromaniac]

I don't want to put him at l-1.

[Pyromaniac]

her.

You should, why not?

Because I fell like there should be more discussion.

[Pyromaniac]

That is surprising.

[Pyromaniac]

That is surprising.

What is the emotion behind this statement?

Surprise. It was mostly just to say that I was here.

[Pyromaniac]

Siro needs to be replaced, not lynched. I agree with zazie about the doll.

[Pyromaniac]

Because inactives are replaced. And iirc Siro got I don't deserve to be here thing.

[Pyromaniac]

Actually, I looked through his iso and he didn't get. Or it was to subtle for me to see.

vote siro

[Pyromaniac]

unvote

I knew I should have read through all his posts in the topic rather then just searching don't deserve to be here.

[Pyromaniac]

Then why do we have any talk about destroying the doll. We should protect it, right?

Die. Now.

Vote Light-kun

[Pyromaniac]

unvote

Actually no. I don't think rock could have grabbed it. So, I don't think the scum would want a SK alive.

[Pyromaniac]

Here are the people who probably don't have the doll.
Me (I know I don't, so you can disregard this)
zwet
L-K
Siro

[Pyromaniac]

People who could have taken the doll: (they posted + set)
Zazie I don't think so. Based upon the reaction I do not believe that she took the matches.
Dramonic
Amished (ohshit)
Steph (ohshit)
Set (ohshit)
Deves
Zwet (unlikely)

[Pyromaniac]

Rock is horrible inactive. Both zwet and siro were v/la iirc on that date. Also, even if you did have the doll you probably wouldn't say so.

[Pyromaniac]

Have you claimed?

[Pyromaniac]

unvote

Actually no. I don't think rock could have grabbed it. So, I don't think the scum would want a SK alive.

This is flawed?? The doll aligns with the main evil faction in the game. However, I would refine it by saying that scum wouldn't be so in-your-face scummy??

Well I'd have to think about that for a bit. Seems right in line with what Rocka would say...

I think the doll holder is a SK.

[Pyromaniac]

I know. Evidently lamont doesn't think so.

[Pyromaniac]

I don't believe the assertion that scum don't want the doll holder around. The doll holder is aligned with scum (at least temporarily).

Similar to a evil-sdied politician.

NO U

[Pyromaniac]

I don't believe the assertion that scum don't want the doll holder around.

The doll holder is aligned with scum (at least temporarily)

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Similar to a evil-sdied politician.

Please elaborate on the bolded.

There was a period of time (if I'm correct) that Trilby was briefly taken over by the doll. Then after that the doll was used to summon John Defoe so they could kill him and burn the house down.

I forget what broke the spell actually; all I remember is how Trilby woke up wearing all the equipment and had murdered one of the people in the house.

I also forget how the doll was then used without it again taking someone over...

If today you have the doll, please claim because based on the above, the town needs it to win and Trilby himself was not held responsible for the murder he commited while under its control.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO CLAIM!

[Pyromaniac]

I hereby state, categorically and unequivocally, that I made no attempt to pick up the doll, and do not have it.

Mafia is a game of lying.

[Pyromaniac]

I doubt it will work, though I am perfectly willing to do it. Simply because the doll posses people. So, you probably won't be able to shrug off your alignment if the town is about to win.

[Pyromaniac]

Light, you are L-2. Claim in your next post. Or I hammer with my double vote scillaz. J/K

[Pyromaniac]

I know I am the wrong person, and were it an earlier day, I would be relatively okay with being given the doll and flipping innocent.

However, that would be stupid now since we already lost 7 and only one scum flipped among them.

That is not a claim

[Pyromaniac]

I am very close to voting for L-K.

[Pyromaniac]

L-1 now. Claim.

[Pyromaniac]

I will vote after the claim. Depending on what the claim is, of course.

[Pyromaniac]

He ends up being locked in a closet. And then the doll person kills someone else. So no, it will have its ill effects 'till it is destroyed probably.

[Pyromaniac]

I think lamont has it.

[Pyromaniac]

Because the shell was distributed randomly if dropped.

No. Probably it was the second person to take it will always get that item. Or the second (?) item dropped will always go to the second person to grab it.

[Pyromaniac]

Because the shell was distributed randomly if dropped.

No. Probably it was the second person to take it will always get that item. Or the second (?) item dropped will always go to the second person to grab it.

[Pyromaniac]

I think that the person who gets here second will always get the item for item of day 1, or the person who gets there second will get that item always.

[Pyromaniac]

I doubt it. And because he says the doll was distributed randomly.

[Pyromaniac]

I want to be investigated. /wifom. (like this Zazie?)

In all seriousness, am I the only one that thinks that Lammont has the doll?

Lammont, why did you assume the doll worked like the matches and not like the shell?

No. I think lamont has the doll.

[Pyromaniac]

wat

[Pyromaniac]

crap logic. zwet always wants a lynch.

[Pyromaniac]

He didn't.

[Pyromaniac]

To quote a meme: are you bleind.
zwets post say can we NOT have another no lynch.

[Pyromaniac]

Can we

not

have another no lynch today? Just saying.

[Pyromaniac]

can we not have another no lynch. seems like he doesn't want a no lynch.

[Pyromaniac]

So people who vote for you are scum? There are not 7 scum in this game. However, I would be hammering but I have a new theory. L-K is a jester. Rock's lurking, only posting meaningless shit looks exactly like a jester.

[Pyromaniac]

Anyone that idiotically scummy TWICE IN A ROW has to be a jester. Or just really, really bad at the game.

[Pyromaniac]

First of all, refusing to claim. Look at rock. Rock did nothing. He lurked. And lurked. And made random, unrelated comments. I can by that he is bad at the game. Now, I've never played with light but from his postcount he probably good enough to know that when you are about to get lynched you claim.

[Pyromaniac]

also, it could be a coincidence but a useless player replaced a useless player.

[Pyromaniac]

I don't like how L-K is soft claiming power role.

[Pyromaniac]

I don't like how L-K is soft claiming power role.

What? I didn't see that... If he DID do that he needs to full-claim otherwise its the rope.

There is now reason for a vanilla townie not to claim. There are some slight disadvantages to VTs claiming, but not enough to not do it at L-1.

[Pyromaniac]

also, it could be a coincidence but a useless player replaced a useless player.

Why do you call L-K useless?

He lurks. And lurks. But not as much as rock does. I have a feeling he would be lurking more if he wasn't L-1.

[Pyromaniac]

Steph is male
Xtoxm is a SK, and the body of John DeFoe. We suspect stuff about the soul and mind, but I'll let you read, it's all explained.

An elaboration on this. He flipped SK. However, John DeFoe consists out of three parts and it seemed that we have now a new SK (Assumed due to the flavour of last night kill) which has very likely something to do with John DeFoe.

Most likely the doll, IMO.

[Pyromaniac]

I don't like how L-K is soft claiming power role.

I don't like it that you are pointing something like this out.

WHy not?

[Pyromaniac]

give doll to light-kun

We have a multi-protecting doc. Getting nightkilled should be the least of PR-K's concerns.

[Pyromaniac]

I don't like how L-K is soft claiming power role.

What? I didn't see that... If he DID do that he needs to full-claim otherwise its the rope.

There is now reason for a vanilla townie not to claim. There are some slight disadvantages to VTs claiming, but not enough to not do it at L-1.

Actually a VT claim even at the rope is bad because it accomplishes nothing AND gives an unprovable place for scum to hide if for some reason they are not lynched while giving the scum a better chance of killing a town PR.

It is better then not claiming, IMO. Though this is getting into more of a game play discussion then a mafia game discussion.

[Pyromaniac]

Does anyone have any objections to me hammering?

[Pyromaniac]

Does anyone have any objections to me hammering?

Right now, yes.
Zwet and Lamont need to answer some questions. Both choose to ignore them.
And I want you to explain what happened to your thought of him being a jester.

I forgot about NuevidaVeuid. This means Scummy and semi-useless player rep. Useless player Rep. Useless player. I think over half of the useless lurkers that have been in this game have been on that account.

[Pyromaniac]

Also, the only reason I didn't vote to "vig" deves was that I found stepho more scummy.

[Pyromaniac]

Dev was going to be "vigged" anyways. As I recall, though I am not 100% sure, we were "vigging" whomever had the most votes at the set deadline.

[Pyromaniac]

I didn't.

[Pyromaniac]

I didn't. I voted because I was still hoping to lynch that day (foolish me).

[Pyromaniac]

My contribution will make it happen faster.

[Pyromaniac]

Damn I wish I knew L_C's alignment. The fact he hasn't been NKed makes me suspicious. And with his alignment we get a lot of info.

[Pyromaniac]

That never works. You could be godfather. In both A and D we end up behind. We are in potential lylo tomorrow.

[Pyromaniac]

He has refused to claim. =(

[Pyromaniac]

Well your at least 2/4 wrong.

[Pyromaniac]

Did zwet just unvote and revote? ?_________?

[Pyromaniac]

Zwet just "hammered". Stepho hammered.

[Pyromaniac]

Damn I wish I knew L_C's alignment. The fact he hasn't been NKed makes me suspicious. And with his alignment we get a lot of info.

The second sentence is a desperate attempt to throw suspicion on Lamont.

If lamont is scum then you have 2 or 3 caught scum. He'd be the most info lynch. THough at this point we don't want an info lynch.

[Pyromaniac]

L-K. In your next post give me one good reason not to hammer. Ideally, this would be a claim.

[Pyromaniac]

Now at this point I would hammer. BUT, I'm pretty sure godkill. So if godkill doesn't happen I will hammer.

[Pyromaniac]

vote light-kun

[Pyromaniac]

Sajin died AGAIN. Ugh. I can't tell anjything from this NK. My guess is that lamont is right and it does become aligned with the mafia, not an SK. Due to only one NK

[Pyromaniac]

Hmmmmmm. Can lamont link me to the place zazie cleared via town PM? And amished has yet to give an explanation to missing protecting twice in a row. It is also possible that the scum have a copy of the vanilla PM.

[Pyromaniac]

I think you could be the owner of the doll. And if am getting investigated then I will claim.

[Pyromaniac]

Also, no one is clear.

[Pyromaniac]

We should MC, imo. Or no lynch.

[Pyromaniac]

like how currently scum can easily pinpoint the remaining PRs, yes?

This IS endgame. We are in potential mylo.

[Pyromaniac]

Fuck it. I am claiming. I am: agent Lenkmann. I am the first person in my group to "see" a reality shift. I work to save others from going through the place. I made my serum and then I heard about the house. It lowers fear shit, making minion run away. I can't protect people twice in a row. Due to dosage. I protect them for the day. And night. I am immune to shifty shit. So are they. I win when all threats to the humans have been eliminated. N1- Protected zwet. (changed at the last minute. didn't like amished assuming that there would be another doc) N2 protected lamont. you will see me saying that lamont should be inspected. N3 Protected Siro. N4 protected Lamont. I hinted that he should be investigated again. My vote for the inspection goes to popultajo or lamont, as one of them is scum.

[Pyromaniac]

My flavour reason? I don't want them to go through the shit I went through in the place.

[Pyromaniac]

Siro had the town role PM. And tajo had the town role PM. ALso in HP mafia iirc percy was bad. Or at least I have played one on a different sight wear percy is bad.

[Pyromaniac]

The scum could have a copy of the role. Having it does not clear you. My role PM does not mention the blessed order of agonies.

[Pyromaniac]

Yes. You are forgetting the doll. My guess is 3 scum + amished doll. Or possible Lamont.

[Pyromaniac]

Great, so we might now be unable to win the game and to top it off, odds are we are currently in MyLo


Also, update to the list!

dramonic

Cleared by Stepho

Stephoscope

Cleared by Naomi

Devestation

Cleared by Naomi

Amished

Cleared by Hohum/Elmo

Lamont_Cranston
zwetschenwasser
Sironigous
Pyromaniac
ZazieR
Populartajo

If we have 4 scum, which still sounds like a plausible amount to me for a 19 player game, we are now in MyLo

My gut says Tajo, but at this point in the game the scum can quickvote and lynch, so I'm not voting yet

Sironi cleared himself with the town PM. Zazier cleared hersel the same way.

That leaves:

Lamont_Cranston
zwetschenwasser
Pyromaniac
Populartajo

There is no way I'm voting for Pyro. That leaves

Tajo

or

Zwet

. I think we need to ISO these folks and figure out what is going on with them.

Looking at the above list, we've made no mistake. I say hang 'em all high!

Unvote, Vote Zwet

/Facepalm.

I can tell you a lot of mistakes:

First you are assuming that having the vanilla PM means town. You are using this logic to clear Zazier and Siro. However you dont use this logic to clear me. It shouldnt, I agree. But thats not the point of the discussion. Since Dev wasnt modkilled for almost quoting his PM, its probable that scum knows the vanilla PM. But either you clear ALL the players or you suspect ALL the players. Your inconsistency used to bring suspicion to me is evident.

Since your mistake is in your first assumption then all your posterior reasoning is a big load of crap. You are reaching to avoid being lynched, scum.

I should note also that you've failed to provide a valid answer of why if you thought Pyro was the less scummy of your assumed "Tajo, zwet, Pyro" scumgroup, you voted for him first.

@all: Remember to lynch Lammont.

For the record Pyro's claim is fail and he is also prob scum. I fail to understand why he didnt protect the claimed power roles and went with Lammont twice (wtf?). We've had some very protown players since day 1 and Lammont wasnt one of them. Also Zazie just brought flavor that incriminates this guy.

Finally zwet claim and such.

Power roles were being protected by amished. I was hinting to inspect lamont. I tried to predict the scum night kills.

[Pyromaniac]

I think you could be the owner of the doll. And if am getting investigated then I will claim.

Why is this?

Failure to protect.

[Pyromaniac]

SHIT