MtG: Parallel Universe Mafia (Tar's subgame): Game Over

[Seraphim]

/confirm

This game is shaping up to be even more complex than MS3...

[Seraphim]

Who is left to confirm?

Mastin has not picked up his role PM (was he V/LA?).

We're also waiting for FL and MafiaSSK to get approval to post in Theme Park before we start the game (while the subgames don't have to all stay on the same day/night, I'd like them to at least start simultaneously). - Tar

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Vote: Vino

OMGUS!

[Seraphim]

Unvote;Vote:Vino

For posting in another subgame o.O.

This increases my suspicions. I think a quick-lynch is in order.

[Seraphim]

What's wrong with reading the other games? I figure since there will be roles that can go back and forth between games that everybody should keep up to date on all three games, because alignments don't change if people shift back and forth. I'd rather read things as they are posted then read an entire thread when someone changes games.

Still, that does not change the fact that you posted in the other topics when you didn't need to...I think this makes you obvious scum!

[Seraphim]

Oh, and you voted for me, that is not a point in your favor.

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Unvote

I know, Vino. I did the same thing, I just didn't think that posting in the topic was required. I was trying to ease us out of the random voting stage...but it looks like Benmage has already thrown us out of it.

It's not like I don't believe his claim...however, it is not the claim of a town role. It's a third-party role. Ben, what exactly do you plan on accomplishing by claiming? Wouldn't it have been easier and less dangerous if you asked someone with the ability to transport you to another game?

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How then do you expect to get over to the other game?

Exactly.

I don't like survivors(which is, in essence, what you are). I might try to get you lynched simply because your win condition doesn't involve scum-hunting.

[Seraphim]

How then do you expect to get over to the other game?

If others can move me?? I don't know the mechanics....or once a faction wins in this game and the subgames merge. I don't affect you guys win conditions.

Sorry, but it does affect our win conditions. You have claimed useless non-scum-hunting piece of meat. If it comes to LYOL later, you could swing either way if it suits your win condition.

[Seraphim]

That's what I thought too, in another one of Tar's game(Haruhi Mafia, Mini Theme, I asked the town to lynch me on D1 to achieve powerful powers). This was a mistake. Logic has no place in a Tar game even if other mods are involved.

The thing is, as I have stated earlier, you have claimed useless meat. This gives you an excuse not to scum hunt. Not scum hunting is anti-town.

[Seraphim]

That's what I thought too, in another one of Tar's game(Haruhi Mafia, Mini Theme, I asked the town to lynch me on D1 to achieve powerful powers). This was a mistake. Logic has no place in a Tar game even if other mods are involved.

The thing is, as I have stated earlier, you have claimed useless meat. This gives you an excuse not to scum hunt. Not scum hunting is anti-town.

And looking at FL's game, is DDD your lover?

Also, if you are reunited with your lover in whatever game, do you both leave, having won the game together?

[Seraphim]

Answer my first question. It's fairly obvious, honestly, but I just want to hear it from your mouth.

[Seraphim]

So, in summary:

Benmage has claimed 3rd party lover with DDD in FL's game. His win condition is get into the other game with his lover. If this occurs, they will both leave the game. Benmage wants everyone else to ignore him so that there will be no mislynches on him and so he will not get NKed.

Alright.

I'll buy it.

FoS: Pyromaniac

Reading is awesome and you should try it sometime.

[Seraphim]

On that note, does anyone have any information that indicates that the attack/defense numbers on our role PMs actually do anything? I don't need to know anything about your role PM, just about the numbers and if they have any use.

[Seraphim]

Ugh. I quite don't understand why ZazieR is scum and why Kinetic's post details why...someone should elaborate.

We have a couple of plans on how to deal with DDD and Benmage. First of all, we could lynch one of them. If they are indeed lovers, they should both die. Benmage, is this correct? We could also just ignore them until something happens. Also, we could bow to their wishes and allow them to fulfill their win condition.

But I do like Kinetic's plan...

Hmmm...

I say we go with Kinetic's plan and allow the people who have the ability to move people around to do that.

It's extremely unlikely that the scum faction is spread over the three games...at least, that's what I'm lead to believe. Seeing as there is no effect on the other games if one game ends...

I'm not sure who is scum yet...I'm trying to get reads but all this set-up discussion makes it difficult.

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First of all, we could lynch one of them. If they are indeed lovers, they should both die. Benmage, is this correct?

It doesn't say if DDD dies I die. But i assume as much being lovers and that with him dead there's no way I could fulfill my win condition.

Also, we could bow to their wishes and allow them to fulfill their win condition.

^This

Actually, never mind. If one of you were to die, the other would have lost, meaning he would leave the game anyway.

[Seraphim]

It's the truth. I'm not saying we

should

kill you(I am in the camp that we should try and get rid of you by letting you fulfill your damn win condition), I'm just saying that if we killed you, DDD would die too and vice-versa.

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Second, Benmage, what makes you think that somebody is going to give up their powers for a day just to fulfill your win condition?

I thought about this and wondered...what exactly would someone with switching powers do besides stuff like this? I mean, the target went right out and claimed...it's like being a vig and having scum claim Day 1. It's obvious who you're going to kill that night...

[Seraphim]

So, in summary:

Benmage has claimed 3rd party lover with DDD in FL's game. His win condition is get into the other game with his lover. If this occurs, they will both leave the game. Benmage wants everyone else to ignore him so that there will be no mislynches on him and so he will not get NKed.

Alright.

I'll buy it.

FoS: Pyromaniac

Reading is awesome and you should try it sometime.

Just because you do doesn't mean I do.

WTF? Are you saying you don't read the game? How the hell do you play then?

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Zzzz What he says is false. it's not his fault. He's just misinformed, and ASSUMING to much. Trying to clarify a further claim of mine with the mod. HINT HINT read between the lines. If what Zito says is false what do you think I am.

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This post made no sense. And that's saying something. I read between the lines and there was a lot of gray.

Please explain what you mean...who is this addressed to?

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Addressed to anyone. You guys are missing it, but I will make it clear once I hear from Tar, i actually asked FL, who told me to wait to hear from tar .

As much as I hate waiting and vague hints, I'll humor you.

[Seraphim]

On that note, I think Pyro's latest accusation of Benmage being a cult recruiter or something makes him the most likely to be scum looking for an easy mislynch until he tells me why he thinks that's even remotely plausible.

[Seraphim]

On that note, I think Pyro's latest accusation of Benmage being a cult recruiter or something makes him the most likely to be scum looking for an easy mislynch until he tells me why he thinks that's even remotely plausible.

I feel bad about someone getting a free ticket to endgame. With.literally.no.reason.for.it.

Like I said earlier, reading is awesome. If you've been reading, his win condition is to be reunited with his lover, DDD in FL's game. This presents a problem as DDD is in another game. He wants to be ignored so that he can moved and reunited with his lover, thus allowing him to win the game.

You still haven't explained how it's plausible for him to be a cult recruiter.

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@Benmage

Don't use meta as a defense. I HATE meta.

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Unvote
Vote: Pyromaniac

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I believe his claim because his supposed lover confirmed it in the other game. PLUS, there are scum we could lynch instead of him. The prime example being you.

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We are NOT ABSOLUTELY IGNORING HIM. Haven't you been READING THE GAME? If you have, you'd notice that most of the discussion has been about what to do with him.

There could be a cult recruiter in each universe

This is major bullshit. There might be ONE cult recruiter in the entire mess. MAYBE.

I am just saying that I am not buying into this shit about not lynching him no matter what.

Where does it say this? I don't think anyone has said this.

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That was him whole reason for claiming. Fine. Let me revise my sentiment. We should not give him a free ticket to endgame.

Where has anyone said we should do this?

[Seraphim]

I think you misunderstand, Kairyuu. He's complaining about how Benmage doesn't want to be lynched and how we should nothing about him. Unfortunately, he is misunderstanding the entire concept and thinks that we are ignoring him(which we are not).

[Seraphim]

That is the impression I get is that you believe he is clean.

I believe that if we can get rid of him without wasting a vig kill/lynch, we are much better off.

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@Pyro: Why would we have to No Lynch to get rid of Benmage? We can lynch scum (you) and then if it's the town's will, we can switch Benmage to fl's subgame tonight.

What? I never suggested no lynching. That was someone else.

No one suggested no-lynching. Kairyuu misread one of your posts. Read, please.

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@Pyro: Why would we have to No Lynch to get rid of Benmage? We can lynch scum (you) and then if it's the town's will, we can switch Benmage to fl's subgame tonight.

What? I never suggested no lynching. That was someone else.

No one suggested no-lynching. Kairyuu misread one of your posts. Read, please.

I am.

Lies. If you were reading, you would know that no one has suggested no-lynch yet.

[Seraphim]

Thus, if we remove all the scum, we can effectively No-Lynch until Benmage can be removed and win himself.

This is in reference to something completely different. It's an endgame plan only if nothing has happened to Benmage in the meantime.

[Seraphim]

HEY! MUFASA! OVER THERE IN THE OTHER GAME!

If we did decide to send DDD/Benmage to another game to try and fulfill their win condition, it would be done in an organized way to ensure that they would end up in the same game rather than just switching places.

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Obviously if we had the choice to send/not send we would send.

But if we only have one send person then we shouldn't send them.

And I don't trust their claim. That is my stance.

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Bolded part is the part I have a problem with. How do we know whether or not there is more than send person? Also, your "stance" is highly irregular. Basically, you are saying "We should send them" while also saying that if we have only one of a certain, unconfirmable role, we should not send them.

What should we do with them then?

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Lets say there is 1-5 left in our game. And we are offered a chance to exchange with a game in lylo. We should exchange the most protown player in our game with the scummiest in theirs. But if we can just add a player to their game and both of these are 1-5.

...what?

[Seraphim]

I come back after 1/2 a day and there's 4 pages? Wow

USELESS POST! CONTENT OR DIE!

Just kidding, you know I love you malt.

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Malt: Man, people can't seem to read the game this time around. Read post 141 by Sajin.

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Forbinlight's gamers

I'm gonna regret this, but here this is me helping.

Papa Zito

doesn't look like he has the town win condition when he describes his win condition eliminating all non town elements....Look at our sample townie role on page one.

Explain. How does it look like he doesn't have the town win condition?

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I know it's a little early to get into lurker hunting, but I would really like to hear from ChaosOmega soon. He hasn't posted since he confirmed.

Mastin has not confirmed, which is odd...but if he gets replaced, no real loss. His walls of text might make it difficult for me to play.

[Seraphim]

Townie

Enchantment-Win Condition, G, Rare

Win Condition

— When all other factions have left the game, or nothing can prevent the same, you win the game and every player who is a member of another faction loses the game. This doesn't affect players in other subgames.

Ugh. Leaving anti-town elements alive sucks, especially when my win condition says that all non-town elements must be eliminated. From my perspective, I'm advancing my win condition by destroying a third party.

There are some noticeable differences. First of all, it doesn't say non-town or third party in the Win Condition. Eliminated? I dunno, just might be a different rewording...or a scum slip-up. We'll have to see...

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Pyro, explain your role. What sort of abilities do you have?

Why is Zito suspicious besides the role PM?

Which lurkers?

Mufasa is always scummy, I'm ignoring him for now unless he does something really dumb. Porkens is right, I would not object to a vig killing him.

It looks like Mastin is getting replaced...that's fine with me, he messes up my scumdar.

[Seraphim]

Chaos omega has one non-confirm post iirc. Some people in fl's game are lurking. I don't like the role pm. And I don't like zito's reaction. I cannot be recruited. To what it does not specify.

S-s-s-specify, please, thank you.

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I'm with Kairyuu on this one. I don't think his claim helps him at all. He's extremely lacking on the details...the "unrecruitable" part can't be proven at all. If it looks like a fakeclaim, it probably is a fake claim.

I still want to hear more from ChaosOmega besides dropping in with an opportunistic vote. Also, would be nice to hear more from Malt.

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Honestly, I think isn't a "safe" lynch, Vino. There's no such thing as a safe lynch. Using that phrase makes me think "Safe as in I-won't-get-called-out-for-it-later safe?". Whenever you lynch someone has town, you are taking a risk. No such thing as a safe lynch.

You are also making giant leaps of faith when you say that there is scum is one of DDD/Benmage. What if they aren't? What if they're just third-party with a funky win condition? I don't think you're scum...but we should be looking for scum. I don't know about DDD...I think FL's game needs to interrogate him further.

So, Vino, to play Devil's Advocate, what sort of scummy things has Pyro done? Restate the case in your own words.

There are a lot of players in games who will make statements without action to back them up. If you think Benmage is a good, safe lynch, why aren't you voting him?

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BTW, happy birthday Kinetic. I think I have no problem lynching scum in our game and letting the other games do whatever they like. Benmage has been straight-forward and honest with us and so far there is nothing questionable about his claim.

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Oh, welcome, Mastin. Godspeed on your reading...this game has been moving at a comfortable pace for me.

Mod: Hey, Tar, where's the vote count love?

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Hey, fools in SSK's game...

Hi. Welcome, finally.

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I'm with Kairyuu on this one. I don't think his claim helps him at all. He's extremely lacking on the details...the "unrecruitable" part can't be proven at all. If it looks like a fakeclaim, it probably is a fake claim.

I still want to hear more from ChaosOmega besides dropping in with an opportunistic vote. Also, would be nice to hear more from Malt.

My role name is strong-minded townie. Also, this is not a mind screw game, tar is not in the game.

This isn't a Mind Screw game as in the mod is actively seeking our destruction. But this is a Mind Screw game as in there are going to be mechanics/roles that will defy normal expectations of logic. Even his non-Mind Screw games have a tendency to include unorthodox mechanics.

Fully claim all your role parts. Your creature card, what abilities you have, and any other "cards" your role PM has.

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Boxman, what do you want to point out? Now is a great time to do so.

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Still, nothing wrong with a fresh take on things. Feel free to make comments on what's happening in both games. Have you read through our game yet? If so, who do you think is scum? Why? Do you agree with our reads on players? Why?

Take as much time as like.

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In one post. Summarize. You have contradicted yourself as to whether you are a "unrecruitable townie" or a "strong-minded townie". All your info, in one post.

Stonebrow, Krosan Hero
Legendary Creature - Vanilla Townie, Mythic Rare, 3RG

I want all this information except from your PM. Don't quote it or something like that...paraphrase as you see fit except I want all the information in the above quote.

[Seraphim]

HEY, THIS IS FOR EVERYONE IN ALL THE GAMES. LISTEN UP.

When talking about another post in another game, it would be very helpful for people, especially when using quotes, to give the name of the player, which post it's from, and which game the quote is from.

Thanks.

[Seraphim]

So, you are...
Jasmine Boreal, ??????(what goes here?)
Strong-Minded Townie

Correct? And your only ability is to not be able to be recruited, correct? I know I'm rehashing but I want to make sure I have everything correct.

[Seraphim]

Does anything go in those question marks or are they blank and only a few role PMs have it?

[Seraphim]

Veerus...so far all your questions have about Benmage and a cross-starred lover in the other game. Hasn't anything else attracted your attention? What do you think of Pyromaniac?

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Actually Seraphim, I am not sure how familiar with magic cards you are but several cards have a comma in the title.
For instance: http://magiccards.info/ts/en/83.html
http://magiccards.info/fut/en/46.html

Notice how the actual card name has a surtitle?

Yeah, I did notice that and realized that looking at my own role PM.

I was trying to trap Pyro...I'm not afraid to admit. I wanted to see if he would try to fill something in to make his role PM more like the sample. But he didn't. Oh well.

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No more quote pyramids please.

Also, in the Benmage/Pyro exchange, Pyro comes off looking scummier. Analysis coming up in a bit.