MtG: Parallel Universe Mafia (Tar's subgame): Game Over

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/confirm

I actually know a ton of people in this game......

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EBWOP:

<26> An ability has its effect instantaneously upon resolution, regardless of which subgame it effects (i.e, if a normal ability in one game causes two players to swap subgames, that ability will take effect at the end of the night in the subgame in which it is used, even if the other game is in the middle of day).

Tar, I'm correct in assuming that alignments won't be revealed upon switiching games, right?

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Vote: Tar

Honorary vote for Forbiddanlight

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Random Vote: Benmage because he hasn't posted yet.

Unvote, Vote: Vino

for not noticing that Benmage has posted yet.

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I come back after 1/2 a day and there's 4 pages? Wow

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I find myself agreeing with most of Kinetic's points right now. I would personally ignore Benmage instead of wasting the time to lynch him. In fact, insteas of moving Benmage, a great thing for any universe-swapper role to do is to jettison our scummy players on them so we lose scum and win the game. It is bastardly, but it does help right?

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@Seraphim: I did consider that, the point is we win (even though they don't.) I did mention in my post that it was bastardly.....

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Abilities may cause a player to change subgames (this can cause subgames to have more players than they started in), though players cannot be changed into a subgame that has ended. Factions with factional kills may kill one player each {period} in any subgame one of their members is in, but factions with factional communication (i.e, Mafia) may communicate with all other members of their faction outside the thread regardless of alignment.

This is from the signups. Mafia can talk across the subgames.

Pyro wanting to simply remove scum from our thread does not facilitate a win overall. Especially as it is hinted that some factions may not get removed from the totality of the game when 1 subgame ends ( I would have to find that quote, I know its there somewhere). In fact I suspect that the mafia winning one subgame would have adverse if not catastrophic effects on other subgames.

Also- In to trade-Malthusis is lurking! *Snicker*

I know this. However we could deal with the scum better in a subgame we were winning.

Interesting. I think the above quote of pyros indicates inside info.

confirm: vote Pyro

If the town won this subgame and it wasn't over for us (we could still jump games (by we I can't (or could, I just can't say "got to FL's game" and be there))) then we would want to move townies to other subgames and scum here so we can lynch them in a better position.

The problem with your idea is that the game is done if town wins (I swear someone has already said something to this effect in one of the threads. Also, do you think Tar's game would be broken that easily?)

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Also, would be nice to hear more from Malt.

No rush!

I'm not against Pyro as much as Kaiyruu is, but everything he's said so far is very shaky and vague. It seems like he's throwing these ideas just to look like he's participating then actually commiting in them.

As much as we can say someone is scummy in other games, don't forget that we can't physically touch/lynch anyone unless they are in here. (This practically means I'm not exactly going to be giving a scum list on everyone in other universes). On the other hand, I'm not really impressed with Spy's grumbling about how we can't affect things in other universes.

*pokes mod to do a vote count/flavor post*

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@Mastin: Just a general note for you, Mastin: Kinetic's game breaking skills are not to be mocked. He is extremely effective (I forget exactly how he used it in MS3, but he effectivly won the game for his faction in Tar's B5 game).

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Mastin's case on you kenetic is quite nice.

What are your own opinions on Kinetic, Pyro?

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Uh...... Wow?

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Mod: If we try to lynch a player that isn't in this game, do we waste the day if it doesn't work?

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For examples of hidden townies, look at forbiddanlight in MS2 (she mysteriously died at the start of the game, and then talked through the mod) and MafiaSSK in MS3. (Also ironically, all 3 mods have been hidden in one Tar game or another )

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This game is complicated enough without that crap.

Lol, you do know what you were getting yourself into when you signed up for a Tar game, right?

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Mastin's case on you kenetic is quite nice.

What are your own opinions on Kinetic, Pyro?

I'd like an answer to my question, please.

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Mastin's case on you kenetic is quite nice.

What are your own opinions on Kinetic, Pyro?

I'd like an answer to my question, please.

Why are you not answereing my question? Do you not have an opinion of Kinetic?

FoS: Pyro

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I have.

Where, I can't see it......

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HALF OF PAGE 12!

All that's on page 12 is you questioning him (besides your quick comment that you think has inside knowledge).

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First of all,

Happy Birthday Tar!

Now, back to the game......

Welcome Papa Zito. What are your thoughts about you being swapped in here? (i.e Who you think would do this and why?). I'm thinking the way you got here is probably anti-town influenced, but I still wonder why even the Mafia would do this......

My guess is that you were added, not swapped.

Your reasons?

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Is Tar always so helpful in his games?

Seraphim and Kinetic are dead and won't be revived (Seraphim's a survivor), so there's no harm done.....

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I got my prod, but I'm about to go to sleep, so I'll post something tomorrow.

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My internet went out when I was sending in my post. To resum it all up, basically I said I agree with ChaosOmega's case on Vino, but I too think we should wait till Vino claims/SSK's night is done.

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Qwints raises a good point about the flavor, but why are you being so sketchy on your claim Vino? You say you're a doc, but why do you need two targets? You didn't even explain when questioned. It seems like all you'd have to do is ask Tar or look at your PM. I'm going to

Vote: Vino

till you elaborate more.

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@Malthusis- That is an incredibly scummy reason to add a vote imo. He said his ability does not need 2 targets, did you fully read his posts? Did your scumbuddies just tell you to throw your vote on the stack? (lame magic reference, could not resist)

Did you read his his claim? He clearly says:

I misread the role description so I gave him one target instead of two.

Which infers that he needed two targets.

Comments on Flava's lynch: I remember hearing of a Hitman role in MD somewhere, I'll try to find it and post a link here..........

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EBWOP:

Bingo! Here it is mentioned:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=275

Look at post #288 (Tar mentions it).

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Where is Vino?

Mod: Can we get a prod?

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I personally think the person who acts like scum should be taken over the lurker.

Vote: Mufasa

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Tar: We need a mass prod.

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Where did everyone go?

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Massprods?

Vote Mufasa

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I'm good with it Tar......

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Alright, animorph and I are confirmed. My first reactions are malthuis and veerus.

Why do you think that animorphv is confirmed at all? His previous player hasn't posted once this game!

I have also a reason to believe that one of the newcomers is not town. I'm short on time, so I'll try to explain later today, but which of the two (Boxman and Chensi) do you think is more non-town?

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malthusis wrote:

Alright, animorph and I are confirmed. My first reactions are malthuis and veerus.

Why do you think that animorphv is confirmed at all? His previous player hasn't posted once this game!

I have also a reason to believe that one of the newcomers is not town. I'm short on time, so I'll try to explain later today, but which of the two (Boxman and Chensi) do you think is more non-town?

Because kairyuu inspected him n2. One of you is scum because no scum from the 1-12 have flipped and you three are the only unconfirmed.

Can you show me where he says that? Through all the cop drama in FL's game, I see no mention of Mastin.

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Read the game. This one. And that one for more confirmation.

I see the part about you being confirmed and junk, but why do you think Mastin isn't scum? Also, how do you know Kaiyruu targeted him N2? Are you a tracker?

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@ssk's game I'm pretty sure their both scum. If malthuis was town he would be attacking verus, as one of them is confirmed scum. However malthuis' recent actions and I think shotty is right. unvote vote malthuis To spell it out: there are 5 people alive who were originally in tars game. 2 (me and animo) are confirmed. That means that all the scum, at least 2 probably 2, is in those 3 players. Meaning that is you lynch one you have an insane chance to hit scum.

The entire case is total WIFOM. I can easily make the same point that scum would rather coast on the veerus's lynch instead. I want to make sure that all possibilities are explored before settling on a lynch at this point. Obviously, I am

Vote: Veerus

since Pyro's theory is valid.

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Don't be quick on the trigger. I have some things I want to claim, as I'm thinking that the mod hint has the same implications has Boxman has suggested, and a sliver has come into this game. I remember hearing from Kaiyruu that Boxman has been cleared, so I have a feeling this anti-town invader is chensi. I will post more later......

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Don't be quick on the trigger. I have some things I want to claim, as I'm thinking that the mod hint has the same implications has Boxman has suggested, and a sliver has come into this game. I remember hearing from Kaiyruu that Boxman has been cleared, so I have a feeling this anti-town invader is chensi.

I'm sure that if we have a pro-town switcher, he'd be willing to switch chenhsi with someone in SSK's game.

Also, @SSk's game, when/if we switch chenhsi, you shoud lynch him.

It strongly looks like we don't, animo. It fact, the evidence to points to exactly the opposite (we have a scum switcher) because of all the scummy guys he's been switching in to distract us (and taking out of pro-town ones). Betting on us having a pro-town switcher is a not a good plan. I think we should lynch chensi(or Boxman, if you think he's the bad guy) first before he has a chance to talk to his partner to formulate a defense at night.

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Hurray for victory! Very Happy

Anyway, I agree the modding could have been better if the original modding team had stayed together, but I'd say it turned out pretty well given the changes and mistakes made in modding.

I wouldn't say that by a longshot, Boxman.....

If MafiaSSK had actually posted a deadline when he was supposed to, I wouldn't have had to delay until his day was done and I could swap Coug back in, promptly causing me to lose my cover and lose the game. I still feel slightly shafted at that...