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[FaerieLord]

Yeah, whole day out yesterday, and just came back to notice this game started. Give me a few hours to get into this.

[FaerieLord]

And read the entire thread. Directed to Seraphim

106: I like the deflection there onto ren, and the overreaction to the accusation put forward by ren does not go down well with me either, to be completely honest

122: Going with the consensus is not a town plan. It's a lazy plan

127: Why defend against bullshit? See this "You suck cock. Therefore, you must be scum." It's bullshit. Are you going to try and disprove it?

144: Please add /serious or /sarcasm tags please to that post

That's my opinion in regarding to current activity, especially considering what I've read in the ASD mailing.

In regards to role assignment, I'm still struggling to get complete hold of how these work. Reading the CD mailing list, in hopes of getting more.

I'd really love to see scot's take on the assignment of roles now after this discussion though, considering he's the Creative Director Dude.

[FaerieLord]

So, now I'm counting the number of players, which is 14. 14 meaning there'll probably be 4 scum (calculating by 2 in 7p, therefore 4 in 14p)

Acc services has 6 players (including head), therefore, there's a good chance of there being 2 in there. If Head of Acc is scum, therefore there's a chance of there being a 3 to 4 vote of scum vs town in deciding the roles, needing only one gullible townie to pass a vote in mafia's favour.
Therefore, I suggest that Acc Exec unvote atm, instead, the entire town will vote using a fake vote, making condensation improbable of being 3 to 4, and being 4 to 14, much better odds for the town

While, I am already noticing that people are paying attention to what each other are saying, I still feel that a fakevote in deciding should be the way to go, rather than assigning the ability to just 6(+) people that could be misguided. This way, acc execs that go against the will of town, get the hammah

As you can see, I'm going for decentralization of power here. Furthermore, I agree with Adel's suggestion (within the QT, but bringing it out here, because I feel it is a very valid point) that my role should also be used in a majority vote, at a time the town consensus decides.

There's a potential for abusing these roles if they fall into the wrong hands, so I feel that the more people involved the decision is, the safer it'll be, in terms of percentage

That said, now I'm going over adel's plan to see how it works, since I'm still a bit shaky on the assignment of roles and all.

[FaerieLord]

What if it's exec team against rest of town? How will that be handled?

[FaerieLord]

lynching.

I disagree, as the probability of hitting a scum from 6 is at best 33%, which while better is not guaranteed (it could be down to 17% if it's just one). Therefore, mishitting is giving the exec scum even more power over a day of power roles, which might not be always a good bargain.

This can be solved just by using the fake votes, since then it'll be easier to single out who's causing the problem since it's a player to player basis rather than an exec to non exec basis.

Also, Adel, can you explain how your RB, PGO, BD plan works as I'm still a bit confused honestly as to how it covers the more useful roles.

[FaerieLord]

Ok, I got how Adel's plan works, and I think it's the best plan presented yet, partially because it's the only one I have fully understood

[FaerieLord]

I'll be saving it for when the majority of the town wants me to use it.

[FaerieLord]

On my god, 2 of my favorite scum tell catches in one sentence….bullshit overreaction accusation and the term “to be honest”. Only I think FL and I have bumped heads over this term before (and he was town)….what was an overreaction in his reply?..what would a normal reaction be?

We have bumped heads before (Not entirely sure which game it was, but the only game I remember being scum and you were in the game was mith's hotel california. And I died night one, while you were in the cellar. So it couldn't have been that). I was town, I used that phrase.

Also, the overreaction to me comes when people start bolding words in their sentences (101, 105). Maybe my view on this is mistaken, like your honestly thing, but I do see those as signs of losing composure.

Also, CKD, how do you feel at putting tracker at hammer again, especially in regards to my fake vote plan?

[FaerieLord]

CKD, can you answer this

"Also, CKD, how do you feel at putting tracker at hammer again, especially in regards to my fake vote plan?"

[FaerieLord]

Nono, it involves town, not you 5 people, deciding the plan. As it is, anyone of you 5 could hammer tracker if scum wanted a chance with the role.

So we first fake vote what roles we want, then we go as been previously suggested

[FaerieLord]

Yeah, I really didn't want this to happen, especially when there are still people in doubt whether roleblocker should be chosen over tracker.

Personally, reviewing a bit, I preferred tracker too, but the point is it's better to have an unanimous consensus rather than having a hammer with someone who isn't too sure about it

[FaerieLord]

Thoughts regarding what? I already said that I think adel's plan was the best one. I didn't like sera asking before the hammer, and hammering just after one answer, but I think I may be reaching on this one.

[FaerieLord]

@Ckd. At this point I'll live with it since there seems to be a compromise. But at some point, compromise will be harder to reach

[FaerieLord]

My aim throughout was to make sure that the ad exec would not get to take the decision. Compromise might be harder later on when there are different town to scum ratios, and I'm not going to take the risk of their being more scum then town in the ad exec because of bad lynching, so it's not a bad idea to pitch it out.

I proposed this early throughout, yet after adel's plan because I entered the game after the plan and decided that it could be a possibly good idea. I did not push it, by including my fake vote, as then, there was no need for it, as there was already a general consensus that the non ad exec town agreed upon, so pushing it now, would be at best trivial.

Also, I don't get where I made the big deal about it. Did I eat volkan when he hammered? I did promote it, but realised the game was still stalling, and there was a general consensus. I still think fake voting would have been safer throughout, but I did not make a big deal because people hammered.

[FaerieLord]

Sucks that we didn't have a random voting stage as now the game is really stalled. So in an effort to solve this.

Vote: Seraphim

For reasons previously stated and to get the discussion going

[FaerieLord]

Because that was not "stuff to vote based on" since it was just agreeing with adel throughout.

There was only debatable content in the first few pages in the ren / sera exchange, and I already stated my disapproval to how sera handled it.

[FaerieLord]

unvote, vote crywolf

um...k.

Vote: Sera

More from me after work.

um...k.

[FaerieLord]

I hate your attitude. so. much.

I don't think it's scum, but it sure as hell is not productive to the town. Rather than trying to be an intentional burden, why don't you get up and do something about your current -2 position?

[FaerieLord]

Nono, you're not being a burden for being aggressive. I don't think you're being voted for by anyone for being aggressive. I think it has to do with what people see as an omgus vote on budja, because you thought his logic was incorrect.

Please, if anyone that is voting him for being aggressive, let me know.

So stop trying to play it as though you're scum's scapegoat. People are voting you for a reason.

[FaerieLord]

I especially hate how he calls a game full of great players (vollkan, adel, yos), full of idiots.

But ehh, just posting to declare V/LA for the next few days. Should be back in a bit more than 72hours (something like 80 hours)

[FaerieLord]

why do you think that vollkan wasn't the kill choice for the scum?

I am honestly not sure why they chose seraphim considering he is the weakest link (in my opinion) from that list.

(Also, still V/LA. Have unexpected internet access for the next few hours)

[FaerieLord]

why do you think he is weaker than Ren Hoek?

Because from what I've seen Ren is capable of doing some scum hunting. Sera was pretty passive throughout.

The most valuable role would probably end up getting switched with one of the weakest players... and I think you understood that.

It took me three times to get what you're saying and now I realize what you're getting it. You're saying it was either driven from a good player to a worse player or scum targetted a worse player as to avoid being driven but retain choice.

A player who had not yet linked the two together upon seeing the kill. It took me a little while to join the dots and I did understand your plan so I'm seeing this as null.

This. I understood how it worked but didn't get it until you pointed it out just now

(Ok, I'm really V/LA now. Should be leaving in thirty minutes)

[FaerieLord]

Ok, I'm back. Was expecting more posts to catch up on. So

@Sens.

except we were essentially entering D1 with 11 pages of discussion.

Not about who is scum or not, but about choosing our power roles, which was basically agreeing with adel.

Saying that those 11 pages could lead to completely solid votes is at the very best an overstatement. Based on the little amount of information there was + the game was stalled, I went on what little we had, which spurred discussion

Which was my intention.

[FaerieLord]

I still don't understand. How would the game possibly be better off with absolutely nothing than with 11 pages of game-related stuff?

It is not absolute nothing. There's a reason every other game starts with a random voting stage

'Wow, this game is stalled. I wish we were also starting from scratch, rather than being able to use whatever information was gained from the first phase of Day 1'.

Except I never wished it. I wished there was a random voting stage before hand because it always provides info that we seriously needed at that point

Yes, I'm very happy with my vote on Ren right now, though I think scot and FL are also likely Scum.

Page 16 and you already have a scumgroup? Wow, you're good

I was the first person to go after FL.

Except you entirely dropped it until Adel brought it up again

[FaerieLord]

I'm holding my cards close to my chest for now. I want other players to contribute more, and I don't want to serve as a pathfinder for the scum to get a mislynch.

Which is bullshit since you're voting for me, meaning you're still giving them a "pathfinder". I'm still curious as to why you decide to be non commital to one person, but commit to the other side of it.

[FaerieLord]

Edit the Nuwen with the OhGodMyLife in the votecount korts.

Done, thanks.

[FaerieLord]

I honestly cannot see how Sens can debate that a RVS is useless, considering if it was useless, games wouldn't partake in it. It obviously has some use

[FaerieLord]

FL: Would you have voted Seraphim in that scenario had the game not been stalled?

To answer that, no, on the basis that I rarely vote.

[FaerieLord]

Crywolf had made it clear before the game started (on scumchat) that she'd be lurking throughout.

[FaerieLord]

Based on what?

Based on her being lazy?

With scot confirmed, I want FL dead. The risk of him being scum and pulling shenanigans is dangeruous. In fact, I want him quicklynched so that if he is scum he will not be able to use his one-shot to assign a new (unconfirmed) CD.

Since when are quick lynches beneficial for the town?

First of all, scot is not fully confirmed. But he's close enough, so let's leave it at that. Let's say I pull shenanigans, and I elect a new CD. Firstly, this does not change scot being confirmed. Secondly, you have the power to re-elect scot.

So quick lynching me so that you get to have someone confirmed remain CD despite you being able to still re-elect him is a good idea how again?

Also, for the record, can you please restate your case Adel?

[FaerieLord]

Firstly, three votes all without correct spelling? I'm impressed people Thanks yos for fixing this

This isn't true FL.

Ehh, ok you're right :/

with a confirmed CD, you are a role that is high risk (if you are scum) and low reward (if you are town) since what you add to the game (ability to replace CD) is redundant as we can elect a new CD.

You "acted" surprised when Seraphim was killed, and I do not believe that was an honest response. That Budja, a player who is clearly not paying attention to detail, made the same mistake does little to support your innocence in my mind, since I think you are more competent than he is.

Without overwhelming evidence of your innocence, I think you should die. This is early in the game, and you are too high risk and low reward for you to be left alive.

So it's a tactical move rather than lynching someone you deem scummy?

Ehh, I get it, and it seems like a good move. Good luck town ^^