Please explain the bolded as you've claimed to have received her allignment. So the 'and/or' doesn't fit if this is true.Stepho wrote:I SERIOUSLY don't know how to answer this. I have already shared what I learned about Naomi. IF I HAD TO GUESS RIGHT NOW, I would say that her role is Trilby,her alignment is Innocent and/or Pro-Town, and her flavor is (note these exact words, because Naomi should be able to confirm) "Infamous gentleman thief". But, AGAIN, this was not spelled out for me in the PM. I have done the best I can.
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I don't know what he meant with it. Which is why I asked him to explain it. But he hasn't showed up ever since I got here.Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Actually he used the term "gatekeeper" when the term was supposed to be something else right?ZazieR wrote:
Naomi is also still here as claimed powerrole.Elmo wrote:Like I said, I'm frazzled, but I don't really see how Stepho is obvscum although that may well simply be me missing it at this point. Please understand that Innocent being a role does not mean it is not also an alignment, and that if Innocent is not an alignment we have no power roles and e.g. Amished should be next in line for the chop. And that doesn't sound right to me, quite possibly the majority of the claims are scum but I seriously doubt all of them are. I know I'll kick myself if Stepho is scum (and this Innocent business has zero capability to clear him) but I'm not 100% putting my vote there right now.
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*pat, pat*Naomi_Saotome wrote:In regards to post:
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I don't think you're the only one who has...
Sorry I didn't respond earlier... it's been a crazy week for me.ZazieR wrote:Naomi, please respond to Stepho''s claim.
Elmo, if possible, could you a full role PM claim? You''re one of the two reasons as of now why I''m not voting him.
As I said before, I'm Trilby,
Sorry I didn't respond earlier... it's been a crazy week for me.ZazieR wrote:Naomi, please respond to Stepho''s claim.
Elmo, if possible, could you a full role PM claim? You''re one of the two reasons as of now why I''m not voting him.
As I said before,I'm Trilby, gentalman theif...
My pm says something along these lines: You are protected from malignant beings in the house.... You win when threats to the humans are eliminated
Don't worry. The lynch won't hurt much. Next time, you should read each post from Stepho before commenting. Here, he claimed indeed gentelman thief. Next post, it was 'infamous gentleman thief'. Please explain why you claimed gentelman thief, while according to Stepho, this isn't correct.
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I don't want to go into details about this. It would be much better to hear from Amished or a replacement first.Lamont_Cranston wrote:Right but remember the game history you quoted used a different term than "gatekeeper".
What if we are being mind screwed with scum being allowed to use "town-like-looking powers" and safeclaims and such? All this claiming left and right, I've never really seen a decent game go like this...
For Amish Ed's claim to be fake he would need to be scum with a townie-healing power...
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Uhum?!Stephoscope wrote:I am not lying, and AGAIN, the PM is not specific as to what exactly is my role and alignment, and what are Naomi's. Everything I know is pretty much out there now.
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Then state what Naomi's allignment is, what the PM about 'anti-spirit' says and why Naomi didn't claim 'infamous'.Stephoscope wrote:Look, I know that I am Janine, and an investigative reporter, and have fellow Innocents. I know that Naomi is Trilby, and is an infamous gentleman thief. And I was specifically told I learn roles and alignments when I investigate...but the results are not clear as to what's what.
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I already did ask her.Stephoscope wrote:ZazieR wrote:
Then state what Naomi's allignment is, what the PM about 'anti-spirit' says and why Naomi didn't claim 'infamous'.Stephoscope wrote:Look, I know that I am Janine, and an investigative reporter, and have fellow Innocents. I know that Naomi is Trilby, and is an infamous gentleman thief. And I was specifically told I learn roles and alignments when I investigate...but the results are not clear as to what's what.
I am in disbelief. Everything I have done in this game is consistent with my role. I am sorry that roleclaiming is difficult, but mine is legitimate as is Naomi's.
I don't know why Naomi didn't claim "infamous". Ask her.
AGAIN, AGAIN, my PM does not specifically state "This is the alignment:". EVERYTHING I learned has been stated. Are you trying to get me modkilled?
As for the allignment, according to you it's stated in your role PM. So from the results you've claimed to have gotten, you should be able to compare to see what her allignment is. Instead, you're saying 'Innocent and/or Pro-town'. How come?
And no, I'm not trying to get you mod-killed. However, paraphrasing is allowed. So state what was said about 'anti-spirit' in the PM you're claiming to have gotten.
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Sure. However, I wonder if every player will noticePyromaniac wrote:Pyromaniac wrote:Pyromaniac wrote:Pyromaniac wrote:Pyromaniac wrote: Although purposing polices is usually bad, I have one to suggest. How about if we get to two days before deadline, we lynch the person with the most votes.IF there are two wagons that might possible go through (one at 6, the other at 5) then we will force everybody to chose between one of those two wagons. Sound good?Ignore the ''R''-
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However, Innocents apparently aren''t, as it doesn''t mention ''fellow Innocents''. Naomi has stated this as well.Stepho wrote:My role PM specifically states that I am on the side of fellow Innocents.
Uhum?!Stepho wrote:My PM about Naomi's role uses both the terms "pro-town" and "anti-Spirit".
Didn''t you say ''Innocent and/or pro-town'' first? And now, you don''t mention the Innocent in this post. The reason for that is?Ignore the ''R''-
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He did?Xtoxm wrote:The mod has made clear the "Good factions" are seperate to Innocents.
Uhm, I think an example is better to use to what I think he''s saying:
Batman is fighting that Penguin Guy who had tied bombs to the back of his Penguin army. While they are fighting, you see the Penguins walking into the city. The ''Innocents'' are in their homes, doing their daily stuff as they don''t know that Penguins have gone suicidal. In other words, they aren''t involved in the battle between Good and Evil. Yet, they want to be save and therefore want Batman to win.
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Damn, Elmo''s posts are confusing me.
I agree with this though:Elmo wrote:Lamont: I mean, there has been no reference to a "town" of any kind all game. In fact the mod has specifically avoided it to keep to the flavour. I think it's far more likely he's lying about being told someone is "pro-town".Ignore the ''R''-
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Can you explain the bolded?Amished wrote:@Zaz (questioning my PM's, role, etc.): I assume that KoC wouldn't tell me what would happen N3 (when Ho/Elmo was supposed to die) if I protected him then due to the fact that he was already under the blood's effect. However, with items upcoming if it was a flat out kill mechanic I would protect from that.I get people to where they need to be, but not always in the best of conditions.
Also, when did you ask the mod the question about protecting Hohum N3?
Uhm, what? Please elaborate.Amished wrote:Hohum became an Innocent when he drank the blood.
Why?Amished wrote:At that since I'm not just an innocent I wanted to know how that role PM went.
The part of 7 Days is true. However, what you described wasn't from 7 Days, but from 6 Days. And in this game, it was mentioned that it was the son, and not the father.Amished wrote:@Zaz (again): For the Malcolm/Jonathan thing: Going back to look at the games, it appears that KoC didn't fully do his research. Jonathan was the name of my father that I killed and took his position on the SS Mephistopheles. That's probably where he got screwed up as for almost the whole game (7 days a stranger) I was referred to as Jonathan.
Can you rephrase the bolded?Amished wrote:For more flavor (while trying to avoid being modkilled):From going through the games, I always thought of my character as the gatekeeper, and I'm pretty sure they referred to me as that at one time. In my PM it does say Caretaker, but does say I'm Jonathan. I'm a prisoner of fate, yadda yadda yadda; delivered myself the blade to kill myself to become a spirit both directed by fate and to ensure that fate continues the way it's supposed to. Say's that because of killing myself I've become almost as powerful as the mastermind to open the bridge between worlds (Chzo). Goes into explanation how that the prisoner of fate translates into me being a doctor and saving people that need to be saved and all.
Also, a question. Wasn't the Caretaker present to make sure that everything happened as they should be? In other words, that nothing would be changed in the timeline. Or did I get that wrong?
Which is also stated by Naomi, but not be Stepho. Why don't you see this as a fake-claim then?Amished wrote:Again, just to be perfectly clear: My role does not say innocent in it anywhere. It says I win when all threats to the humans have been eliminated.Ignore the ''R''-
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This. Naomi also stated humans and not Innocents.Xtoxm wrote:
I don't think Steph could be any more obvscum.Again, just to be perfectly clear: My role does not say innocent in it anywhere. It says I win when all threats to the humans have been eliminated.
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Fail. Rock wasn't the first.Amished wrote:For Rock, there's a lot of very cynical posting coming from him, and there are times when I can see his point. The fact that in ISO 24 he basically came out and cleared Dev as much as anybody not-cop can while still being extremely open to attack because of it makes me think he's a vanillager as well.
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The bolded is so noted.dramonic wrote:doh!
My last post was referring to Amished's post on page 99, forgot to read page 100 when I made it XD
Also, the "before posts" in your analysis are me going with the flow, not being done reading the whole topic yet. the "after" are once I'm done reading.
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How come you aren't voting one of the main bandwagons with deadline approaching? I especially want to hear the answer for this question regarding Stepho. As according to you, he's wrong with the claimed result.Naomi_Saotome wrote:according to my pm, it says nothing about infamous... it just says Trilby, Gentleman thief.
So tell me Pyro, why are you pushing Dramonic, but voting for Stepho, and yet you state Roc or Stepho are the only clear lynches.... why do you bring Dramonic into the picture if you think he's not a likely candidate?
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You have stated this some times, yet never gave reasons. Please do.dramonic wrote:I don't want the day to end in a no-lynch, but Steph has given plenty of reasons for us to believe he IS town and saying he's scummy based on his PM reformulation is a far stretch.
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This.Xtoxm wrote:
His claim confirms him scum. He needs to be lynched now.Pablo Molinero wrote:
I'm sorry, what's all this, please?Omgosh a speedlynch of a town power role...
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Which is why Amished and Naomi have both stated they don't have it?Setael wrote:It is possible that Stepho misspoke when he said he was Innocent. It appears he was inferring this from the “fellow Innocents” phrase. I think it is possible that the “good” faction (i.e. power roles) have “fellow innocents” though they are not themselves an Innocent.
Examples?I think there is a chance Stepho is telling the truth about his claim, and anything that seems to be contradicting what the mod said has come from Stepho misspeaking or misunderstanding game mechanics that really weren't clear to any of us until the mod clarified in thread.
Elaborate, please.(There is also a LOT of sense in stepho's statement that it has been narrowed down quite a bit today and his pool is very small for finding scum tonight.)Ignore the ''R''-
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Will respond later to the posts made, as I have to go soon.ZazieR wrote:
Please say why you added the bolded.Naomi wrote:It says nothing about specific alignment, (or being innocent)It does, however, mention that I probably don't deserve to be here....
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First, I''ll respond to post 2554 as Setael responded to my questions.
-The first response.zazier wrote:
Which is why Amished and Naomi have both stated they don't have it?setael wrote:It is possible that Stepho misspoke when he said he was Innocent. It appears he was inferring this from the “fellow Innocents” phrase. I think it is possible that the “good” faction (i.e. power roles) have “fellow innocents” though they are not themselves an Innocent.
*And yet Amished thinks Stepho's claim might be legit. How do you reconcile this? I think it is fail to auto assume this type of thing is definitive.
Examples?setael wrote:I think there is a chance Stepho is telling the truth about his claim, and anything that seems to be contradicting what the mod said has come from Stepho misspeaking or misunderstanding game mechanics that really weren't clear to any of us until the mod clarified in thread.
*anything meaning EVERYTHING. i.e. saying he was Innocent
Elaborate, please.setael wrote:(There is also a LOT of sense in stepho's statement that it has been narrowed down quite a bit today and his pool is very small for finding scum tonight.)
*Several people have outed themselves as vanillagers (assuming scum does not have access to the vanilla pm). This narrows down which players can be power roles or scum. This makes it easier for a cop to find scum.
Very scummy. In post 2529, Setael stated that she thought Stepho was scum, until he made this post:
The reason is what I quoted from her in my previous post. Now that I''ve reminded her that this isn''t true (unless Naomi and Amished are scum), she still doesn''t think he is scum. So I want to hear an explanation for this.Stepho wrote:I am not a "Vanillager". I have the abilities I claimed. My PM specifically states "and fellow Innocents", and I am quite obviously a pro-town role.
-Second response.
Failed argument. Stepho has claimed to be a role cop who also learns the allignment of the one who he investigates. According to him, it states pro-town/ anti-spirit. So why claim Innocent when according to your PM received from your investigation, it should be pro-town?
Other than the above, the mass Appeal, the back-tracking and the threats, this isn''t a scummy post. For examples of the last three:As long as the possibility exists that stepho is the cop, it is STUPID to lynch Stepho today and imo only scum will push it. It does not hurt us AT ALL to let him live one more day, and it might hurt us A LOT if we lynch him and he flips cop.He should be given at least one more night to get info. If you want to lynch him tomorrow, go for it. At least then if he flips town cop we have decent info.Basically, if you are town you should think about this and at least let Stepho live one more day in case he's our cop. If you're scum, keep pushing his lynch because it will make it easier to spot you.Ignore the ''R''-
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Two reasons why this is wrong as I''ve already stated:Setael wrote:It is possible that Stepho misspoke when he said he was Innocent. It appears he was inferring this from the “fellow Innocents” phrase. I think it is possible that the “good” faction (i.e. power roles) have “fellow innocents” though they are not themselves an Innocent.
-Amished and Naomi have claimed not to have the part of ''fellow Innocents''.
-He''s claimed to be a role cop who gets allignment from the player he investigates. He received according to him, pro-town and anti-spirit. And as said by him, nowhere was Innocent stated:
Setael, if Stepho hadn''t claimed a powerrole, would you have voted him?Stepho wrote:The word "Innocent" does not appear in my PM about Naomi.
Worst case scenario, we lynch him and it turns out he's our cop. It would be incredibly damaging to the town and we may end up going after those who pushed his wagon, when they could very easily be Innocents that saw a contradiction in something that was just Stepho misunderstanding/misspeaking. It would not be THAT awful if we let him live another day even if it turns out he's scum.
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No. He said he was Innocent.Pyro wrote:He said that he was an innocent. He now says he is not an innocent. A power role would know that they were not an innocent. Did he misspeak when he said Naomi's role is "Infamous Gentlemen thief"?
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You bolded the wrong partdramonic wrote:
Not that much <<ZazieR wrote:Worst case scenario, we lynch him and it turns out he's our cop.It would be incredibly damaging to the town and we may end up going after those who pushed his wagon, when they could very easily be Innocents that saw a contradiction in something that was just Stepho misunderstanding/misspeaking. It would not be THAT awful if we let him live another day even if it turns out he's scum.
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tl;dr Lynch Stepho.populartajo wrote:Sigh.
People really, Steph claim is already too stinky to even consider the probs of being legit. Yeah, mod could be fucking with us or with him, or he claimed poorly or for some bizarre reason, he could be telling the truth and Im getting things wrong, but the proabilities of this happening are extremely low compared to the probabilities of he being scum fakeclaiming, specially when we have a deadline is in two days and we really cant afford another no lynch. specially a lynch full of information like his.
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Setael wrote:Is it really IMPOSSIBLE that one power role would have "fellow innocents" in their role pm and others wouldn't? In THIS game when nothing is impossible? The mod even lets completely inexperienced players in. Just to mess with us. Anything is possible.
Even you don''t think that is true.Setael wrote:It is possible that Stepho misspoke when he said he was Innocent. It appears he was inferring this from the “fellow Innocents” phrase.I think it is possible that the “good” faction (i.e. power roles) have “fellow innocents” though they are not themselves an Innocent.
And there are so many things impossible. Let''s try some stuff out:[/sarcasm]
Mod- Reveal all the scum
Mod- Replace Naomi
Tajo- Turn into a Llama.
In other words, I don''t think it''s true.
For what reasons?Before stepho's claim, i'd have preferred a Dev vote but yes I probably would've voted stepho. I might even vote Stepho tomorrow. I just want to see a result tomorrow from both him and Naomi. I think this will greatly benefit the town and I can see no reason not to.
-Scum confusion (Day 3)@zazier - on the off chance that stepho is really the cop, I think he should live one more day. Assuming I'm wrong and he's scum, can you name ONE way it hurts us to let him live one more day?
-Scum bussing (Day 3)
-Scum talking during the night to set another player up the next day.
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Like Stepho having claimed ''fellow Innocents'', while you and Naomi have claimed it says ''fellow humans''?Amished wrote:I wanted to know so that I could look at future power role claims (if any) and see if they were legit or not. Clearly having that knowledge out there would probably influence scum claiming, and I could then contrast that with what I have in my PM if they say something that's kinda weird or doesn't line up.
So why claim to be the gatekeeper, while you claim that your role PM says caretaker?I played the games a long time ago (probably about a year?) and only once. While going through, I thought of my character as the gatekeeper and not the caretaker. Minor difference in title, but that's just how I referred to him and why I said it that way at the start.
It''s a role as the mod stated. Also, does the second make sense when a claimed role cop who also gets allignments according to him, claims to be Innocent, while the PM about his investigation apparently never stated Innocent?For the Innocent thing, right now it's mod-guessing. Is it a role (like vanilla townie), an alignment (like pro-town) or what? If it was construed as an alignment by Steph, I can easily see where he'd say he's innocent as I'd be the same.Ignore the ''R''-
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Oh, circular logic. Scummy.Stepho wrote:2. You know what I'd do if I were scum in this position? I'd sacrifice a fellow scum to try and prove myself. Why not count on that and leave me be for now?
Also, we''ve been over the second part before. You know. When Elmo asked what happened to your wagon of day 1.Ignore the ''R''-
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So why do you think he''d claim ''allignment''?Naomi wrote:As of now, I don't know if Stepho was caught fake-claiming... or that he made the mistake of using the word 'innocent' simply to describe himself as town, as apposed to scum.
Please respond to my argument of him being a role cop after Stepho has responded to it.The fact that Amished and I did not say 'innocent' is because we posted after the Mod made the clarification. Why would we have said that we were innocent, when clearly innocents are not associated with power-roles...
Stepho never had that chance as he posted before the term innocent was given a specific definition.
Well, you did find him scummy during day 1. I don''t think you''ve explained why these suspicions got dropped, so that would be nice to hear.Because he did not know what innocent meant, I will discard this to ponder later. If someone can give me another reason to vote Stepho that does not involve this argument, I'll consider voting Stepho. Until then I have no reason not to believe his claim.
Also, as I already said, the part about him pushing the devil smiley argument against Lamont was scummy as he didn''t question him during his PR act.
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This statement = ''I probably don't deserve to be here''Naomi wrote:I really felt that this statement needed to be made, as it implies that one is 'good' aligned...though as we have seen, innocents are caught in the struggle between good and evil. Trilby is very much caught up in the struggle. In regards to this matter, we find out that every 'innocent' is caught up in this struggle.
Can you explain the bolded?Ignore the ''R''-
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No. I once put everything into one post. Not a huge success. Players ignored it and complained about the length as due to differences in time zone, I had a lot of stuff to catch up with daily.Knight of Cydonia wrote:ZazieR, please cut down on the unnecessary spam posting.
I'll condense these into 1 post at some point.
Ever since I put them in smaller posts, I and many other players read them and they even analyse them.
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