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TDC · Post Post #95 (isolation #0) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:10 am

Mod: I might've missed it, but can you confirm that the Bus Driver can actually target himself?

TDC · Post Post #100 (isolation #1) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:22 am

I just noticed that the busdriver would be busdriving the protectee to someone else and not to himself anyway, so that scum wouldn't know whom to kill to get the protectee, duh.

So whether he can self-target is moot.

TDC · Post Post #134 (isolation #2) » Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:17 pm

Just going on record that a Tracker result isn't clearcut either, considering that the rules post mentions Framer/Undertaker.

TDC · Post Post #196 (isolation #3) » Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:01 am

I approve of the Tracker, PGO, Busdriver combo.

TDC · Post Post #233 (isolation #4) » Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:14 am

If the busdriver busdrives PGO and X he dies.
If the busdriver busdrives X and PGO he doesn't die.

TDC · Post Post #265 (isolation #5) » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:06 pm

vote: Seraphim

If he is oh so scummy, why ain't you voting him?

TDC · Post Post #282 (isolation #6) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:23 am

unvote, vote crywolf

TDC · Post Post #298 (isolation #7) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:26 pm

vollkan wrote:
TDC wrote: unvote, vote crywolf
Because?

She wanted to hear more from Seraphim, but didn't actually ask him anything. Seemed like a poor excuse to go into "I'm not posting anything because I'm waiting for replies"-mode.

TDC · Post Post #319 (isolation #8) » Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:56 pm

Despite Seraphim's demise, I'd still like to read crywolf's promised post about him.

I would perhaps understand what Ren's trying to do in a normal game, where his lynch, if town, would end the day and lead to another night kill.

But here?

TDC · Post Post #324 (isolation #9) » Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:42 am

As far as I can see, Seraphim was the first vote on your wagon, which is why him getting killed didn't lynch you.

TDC · Post Post #325 (isolation #10) » Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:43 am

That, and that with 14 alive, reducing to 13 doesn't change the votes required for lynch anyway.

TDC · Post Post #326 (isolation #11) » Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:45 am

Ignore the second one, lol.

TDC · Post Post #388 (isolation #12) » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:54 am

Adel wrote:Ren

So scot opened with

scotmany12 wrote:My choice is basically random at the moment, and I am not interested in seeing PGO be given to scum.

Which, while true, is an odd thing to explicitly point out. Ren pushed that point a bit too much for my taste, but I can understand what he means.
I don't think critique of scot is inherently anti-town or scummy.
Budja vote seemed largely OMGUS and the piles of WIFOM (including self-vote) don't help either.
I wouldn't have noticed that he is TSQ had you not said it, so I'm a bit unsure how much of this is caused by him deliberately trying to play different than usually.
I don't see why the wagon rolled that quickly, but then immediately lost steam when he self-voted as if that changed everything.

FL

Sens' point is weak.
Your point makes more sense, though I'm not really bothered by it.
It seems to me that the missing dot was that mafia probably tried to hit whoever was busdriven, which is not immediately obvious. I personally didn't consider that either until you pointed it out.
1 in 7 chance is pretty low (never mind the cases where the busdriver actually hits scum) after all.

Sensfan

I'm not sure how much of Sens' over-dramatization of small things is rhetoric and how much is actual suspicion. I.e. whether he's blowing things out of proportion to see what happens, or whether he actually thinks he's pursuing golden points.

TDC · Post Post #389 (isolation #13) » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:55 am

Also, I like my current vote.

TDC · Post Post #434 (isolation #14) » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:56 pm

I'm not sure why we're debating the usefulness of the RVS at all. It's not as if FL wanted to have an RVS

instead

of what we had, anyway.

TDC · Post Post #495 (isolation #15) » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:07 pm

Adel wrote:tracker doesn't get results until end of day. Tracker should not claim until after he gets results.

What changed from this to your decision to reveal yourself?

--

scotmany: Now that everything's revealed, mind sharing why you chose which group to do what?

--

GR: Did you talk with your partner about your choice?

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I can't see scum taking what amounts to a 50/50 chance of killing one of their own, so unless GR is scum, scot is probably town.

Also, since they knew he would be busdriven with an accountant but did it anyway, it must've seemed unlikely for them to be busdriven (again, assuming GR to be town).
So either all accountants are town, or someone felt pretty good about not being selected. Not sure about the others, but I think the risk was significant for Ren there.

TDC · Post Post #503 (isolation #16) » Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:49 am

Adel: Can you answer my question?

TDC · Post Post #540 (isolation #17) » Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:33 pm

Adel wrote:
TDC wrote:
Adel wrote:tracker doesn't get results until end of day. Tracker should not claim until after he gets results.
What changed from this to your decision to reveal yourself?
Goat claimed role and target.

Uh, what?
He claimed

after

you posted your QT with Sens.

TDC · Post Post #541 (isolation #18) » Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:41 pm

I see you've actually answered this.
Not particularly convinced of the case as such, but I understand the argument for getting him out of the way.

vote: FearieLord

TDC · Post Post #568 (isolation #19) » Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:10 pm

I'm thinking JK (targetting scot) for one team, Tracker + Bulletproof for another.

TDC · Post Post #600 (isolation #20) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:54 pm

OhGodMyLife wrote:I don't know why at this point Goat is the only one who has pointed out that Ren is very very probably town based on busdrive

How so? Would you've expected scum-GR to busdrive FL instead of scot?

Adel wrote:My theory was, and is, that because she has had serious RL drama with TSQ, and figured out that TSQ=Ren, she replaced out.

This was her last post in the only other game she was in at the time, so I don't think her being replaced here had anything to do with TSQ. Should perhaps be noted she was scum in that one though.

TDC · Post Post #601 (isolation #21) » Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:56 pm

Sorry, misread, you weren't referring to GR's towniness.
Still, you put him as very likely town and I presume it's because of his busdrive, so the question stands anyway though not related to the quote.

TDC · Post Post #603 (isolation #22) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:12 am

I wrote:So either all accountants are town,
or someone felt pretty good about not being selected.
Not sure about the others, but I think the risk was significant for Ren there.

I agree that ckd and vollkan would fall in that category.
I assume you see crywolf and Nuwen as potential targets for lurkiness?

TDC · Post Post #604 (isolation #23) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:15 am

What's the point of that question? I pretty clearly applied the tell only to Ren.
The chances that all accountants are town are, after all, pretty slim.

TDC · Post Post #607 (isolation #24) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:32 am

Adel wrote:Reading your posts in isolation I'm astonished by how little you are typing in this game.

Is the emphasis on "this" or "you"?

TDC · Post Post #610 (isolation #25) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:45 am

*shrug*
I'm dead in the other game now.
How do the numbers compare if you add my posts in the QT?
I'm pretty sure I posted next to nothing in this thread during morning 1.

TDC · Post Post #612 (isolation #26) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:46 am

I'm also in a third (now second) game, actually.

TDC · Post Post #624 (isolation #27) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:44 am

Sure, though there's not much in it.

TDC · Post Post #625 (isolation #28) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:50 am

TDC · Post Post #634 (isolation #29) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:02 am

OGML: How is GR "virtually confirmed town"?

TDC · Post Post #636 (isolation #30) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:09 am

Well, but it's not as if he had a choice whether he should claim or not.
So what would you've expected scum-GR to claim to have done?

TDC · Post Post #638 (isolation #31) » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:41 am

Well, okay. I just don't think he's as confirmed as scot is.

Scot scum, gr town would require risky scum play, hence very unlikely.
Scot town, gr scum would require suboptimal scum play, hence unlikely.
Scot scum, gr scum would require short-sighted scum play, hence unlikely.

TDC · Post Post #668 (isolation #32) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:31 pm

Goatrevolt wrote:
TDC wrote:Sorry, misread, you weren't referring to GR's towniness.
Still, you put him as very likely town and I presume it's because of his busdrive, so the question stands anyway though not related to the quote.
What do
you
think about that situation?

I think I've already said that, if something's missing, clarify your question:

I wrote:Well, okay. I just don't think [Goatrevolt]'s as confirmed as scot is.

Scot scum, gr town would require risky scum play, hence very unlikely.
Scot town, gr scum would require suboptimal scum play, hence unlikely.
Scot scum, gr scum would require short-sighted scum play, hence unlikely.

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I hadn't really considered Ren's self vote. But I don't think it changes much. If he's town it changes nothing, if he's scum him not retracting it would indeed indicate he wanted to die at that point and I'm not quite buying that.
FL would've had the whole Morning Meeting to decide on a new CD so it wouldn't have been all that chaotic.

TDC · Post Post #670 (isolation #33) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:29 pm

I don't see why that would matter. Still requires Ren to be suicidal if scum.

TDC · Post Post #671 (isolation #34) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:19 am

Also, if ren-scum wanted to suicide to shorten the day, then why not let one of his buddies hammer him? That theory would only make sense if all of his buddies were already voting him.

TDC · Post Post #700 (isolation #35) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:01 am

scotmany12 wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:
scotmany12 wrote: Adel is almost certainly scum if Sens is town.
That...dosn't really make sense to me, scot.
Adelscum would want to keep scummy town Sens alive so that he could still get abilities to use. If Sens is town, that's a point against him.

FWIW, given similar summiness, I'd be inclined to lynch non-Budja.

Curious to see what you guys have come up with.
Adel-suspicion more or less matches a gut feeling I have, though the only thing that's close to substantiating that is how quickly he changed wagon away from ren after the Seraphim kill (scum motivation being that Ren was going to be unlynchable once the busdriver claim came, town motivation being that ??)
Yos hasn't bothered me so far.

TDC · Post Post #745 (isolation #36) » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:03 pm

Well I doubt he'd fake to leave the site?

TDC · Post Post #756 (isolation #37) » Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:55 am

blergh.

TDC · Post Post #1217 (isolation #38) » Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:00 am

Man, when Korts told me who the scum were after I died, I knew this was a lost cause (and not because of the number, but because of who it was).

Enjoyed the game while I lasted. I think it could perhaps have used one or two more Account Execs but other than that I don't think the balance was that bad. I figure it's pretty hard to balance a smalltown anyway, seeing how role distribution is going to have quite an impact.