Webcomic Wars Mafia: D7- Be Thankful I'm Not The Author

[populartajo]

Korlash, you're here ^.^
Also, /in before Tajo

Hi Zazie. <3

About Korlash, I have mixed feelings towards him....

Nyeh, good to see you around here, Kor. Hope this time you indeed listen to me.

Unles you are scum, obv obv.

[populartajo]

I don't know... Not listening to you caught me two scum last time around...

LOL, you are lying this early?

I was the only one calling farside-mirth scum as early as day 1. I was the one who caught them. My only mistake was trusting Crazy that tricked me well.

Also, good job in thinking Kublai Khan was scum instead of freaking scummy Mirth in Lylo.

[populartajo]

I can support both of these wagons:

Lammont and Vino.

Also Fishy is town.

Vote: Vino.

[populartajo]

I was the only one calling farside-mirth scum as early as day 1. I was the one who caught them. My only mistake was trusting Crazy that tricked me well.

Also, good job in thinking Kublai Khan was scum instead of freaking scummy Mirth in Lylo.

Calling something day one, and actually doing something about it day one are two different things. i can sit here and systematically call out everyone as scum today, but come endgame that doesn't make me super cool mafia player. The fact you called Farside/mirth and it took 5 days to lynch them after the fact makes you a good guesser, but a crappy player. Not meaning an insult here, and I'm hoping you don't take it that way.

And uh, good job not making it to LYLO to set me straight. Yeah, see I can turn that one back around on you!

Pffft.

I am the crappy player that managed to convince the obnoxious Corvus in Lylo to vote for scum Mirth. Its totally my fault that I didnt manage to convince the super awesome Korlash in Lylo to vote for her. Instead he went for the obv town Kublai Khan.

Yeah, Kor. You rack!

[populartajo]

Fishy's argument is highly logical.

@Vino:

Would you care to expand more on that game?

Sure. It has no bearing on my opinion on roflcopter this game of course, but I'd love to rub in his face how wrong he was last game and how right I was.

On day three a cult claimed, but roflcopter insisted we lynch me instead in the very next post. Despite the fact that I correctly guessed one of the mafia and argued that we should lynch the claimed cultist (he turned out to be the CR) they lynched me. The next day was a travesty -- town had almost zero chance of winning at that point, and their vote pretty much decided if cult or mafia won. It was a sad, sad game.

Win some, lose some.

Oh, where have I heard this before...

[populartajo]

I don't think I like this Vino wagon at all.

Mod Votecount please.

I would support the Emp or Korlash wagons at this point.

Unvote, Vote Empking

He needs to be posting

more

.

Why dont you like the Vino "wagon"?

Why would you support the Emp and Korlash "wagons"?

[populartajo]

I support a Korlash wagon because he blames other people for his loss in LYLO.

This isnt serious, right?

Also, about Vino, what evidence do we have? Why is Emp a proper lynch candidate and not Vino?

Finally, have you played with Emp before?

[populartajo]

If he isn't blaming you for his mistake in LYLO please let me know.

Lammont, how is his mistake in Lylo in another game a valid reason to support his wagon in this game?

I like Vino's description of his last game with rofl. He is a player that we need to have around at this point. What evidence do YOU have for voting him?

I dont have any evidence to vote him. Only a gut feeling from his first/second post. This is random stage.

Finally, have you played with Emp anyone who deliberately lurks before? Yes.

So, you think Emp is deliberately lurking here?

[populartajo]

If he isn't blaming you for his mistake in LYLO please let me know.

Lammont, how is his mistake in Lylo in another game a valid reason to support his wagon in this game?

I like Vino's description of his last game with rofl. He is a player that we need to have around at this point. What evidence do YOU have for voting him?

I dont have any evidence to vote him. Only a gut feeling from his first/second post. This is random stage.

Finally, have you played with Emp anyone who deliberately lurks before? Yes.

So, you think Emp is deliberately lurking here?

1) Its not his

mistake

in another game, its his

blaming of that mistake

on someone else.

2) No doubt he is lurking. The game is in full swing, he saw then when he posted his "/confirm". He just posted confirm and left. He needs to be rung up and forced to post...

regularly

.

1)Lammont I think you are missing the point here. How are his actions in another game related to the actions made here?

2)What was Emp alignment in the game you were with him before?

[populartajo]

No, I never said anything about him convincing me. I'm saying you can't claim to have "called out scum" on day 1 unless you also recognize your failure at lynching those scum day 1 as well. If you call player A out as scum but are incapable of lynching them and end up lynching Player B, you have no real claim to fame at calling player A out. The game of mafia isn't about calling people out as scum, it's about proving they are scum and forcing everyone else to help you kill them.

And FYI I didn't lose in LYLO. Being wrong and losing are two different things. I had two super awesome townies watching my back that saved us the game. And yes, Pop had some small hand in it as well.

Kewl. Well you look super fun to play with and so I withdraw my support of your wagon.

facepalm.

Dude you are here to look for scum, not for the most boring player.

[populartajo]

Votecount please.

[populartajo]

Sorry, I had a very busy and alcoholic weekend.

Ill post at night.

[populartajo]

Scumlist ftw.

Prob town

1. Hasdgfas
4. Slicey
8. Korlash
12. Santos
13. SerialClergyman
17. roflcopter
21. Percy
22. Fishythefish
23. SensFan
25. Tarhalindur

Neutral and need to post more.

2. Flameaxe
3. Tzeentch
10. Delathi
14. Qwints
18. Sironigous
19. xRECKONERx
20. Timeater
24. ZazieR

Active lurkers

6. Mufasa
9. Empking
15. Head_Honcho

Prob scum

7. The Silent Speaker :
I hate his rolf vote. His conspiracy theory doesnt make sense because it was random voting stage.
Hate his bizarre defense of lammont and vino when lammont is being scummy as fuck.
Finally hate his korlash and tar attack. Reeks of scum eager to twist words.

11. Lamont_Cranston
Too obvious here. All Lammont votes in this game have been for reasons other than looking honestly for scum. His Emp vote is weak, his clearance of Korlash because he is fun and posterior vote for him are weak, his posterior "there is scum in the Vino wagon" is weak. Really how can you say that the odds are high when it was freaking random stage? His posterior Santos vote reek of "fuck, im caught, lynch anyone but me".

16. Vino
Vino is the least scummy of the three. But has failed to see Lammont scumminess and also doesnt say anything about he being prob town, like he is trying to stay out of the situation. Other than his sensfan weak case and his hasdfgads is subtly defending him (wtf?), I dont know who he suspects.

I'm not looking at pure numbers. It's not a "4/25 = 16% chance of scum" thing. I'm looking at the nature of the bandwagon and its members, and the reasons they gave for joining it. In other words, I think that of (Korlash, roflcopter, populartajo) probably at least one is scum. Fishy made a random vote and three people jumped on it with zero provocation or reasons listed, you don't think it's likely that at least one of those people was scum?

Dude, it was the random freaking stage. And even in my case, I had a semireason to join a healthy randomwagon. Your first posts of the game are off.

Finally

Vote: Lammont

. You are L-3 or 2. Claim please.

[populartajo]

FoS: tajo

first off, we have a list of

everyone

with where he places them on a scum scale. Always scummy, because it's just so.......out there. It only helps scum. If anyone wants me to explain why, I can, but if everyone understands what I'm talking about, I'll just leave it there.

And then he decides to defend people using the "random stage" defense. Uggh, It's nearly impossible to explain just how scummy that is.

First, I always do scumlists. Its not scummy at all. Also, what do you mean with it only helps scum?

Second, about the random voting stage, do you at least know what I am talking about?

Vino and Lammont started attacking Fish, rolf, Korlash and me because we joined a wagon in random voting stage. What is so scummy in joining a wagon in random voting stage? Explain it please.

[populartajo]

I think the lammont case is weak but is probably going to happen. I saw the phrase over enthusiastic used to describe him and I think that's probably it. Populartajo and fishy look scummy to me. Tajo's a gut thing, fishy's the post you just cited.

Can you elaborate on your gut?

What exactly makes you think that the lammont case is weak?

[populartajo]

FoS: tajo

first off, we have a list of

everyone

with where he places them on a scum scale. Always scummy, because it's just so.......out there. It only helps scum. If anyone wants me to explain why, I can, but if everyone understands what I'm talking about, I'll just leave it there.

And then he decides to defend people using the "random stage" defense. Uggh, It's nearly impossible to explain just how scummy that is.

First, I always do scumlists. Its not scummy at all. Also, what do you mean with it only helps scum?

Do you have links of games where you're town and scum where you do scumlists?

Check all my games in my profile. I mean it. All of them. Ask some here. I always use scumlists regardless of alignment.

One of the main things I look for when figuring out if something's scummy or not is whether it'd help the town if the whole town did it. With scumlists, it doesn't help the town, because it tells scum who the townies think is town, and doesn't let the more townie players live to later days.

Im not sure Im following your logic here. You say Im scummy for doing scumlists because it tells scum who the townies think is town. That means you think Im town telling the scum who I think is town. Which means that you just made a case against a townie. Nice.

Second, about the random voting stage, do you at least know what I am talking about?

Vino and Lammont started attacking Fish, rolf, Korlash and me because we joined a wagon in random voting stage. What is so scummy in joining a wagon in random voting stage? Explain it please.

"RVS"(which is crap, IMO, and why I hate people using it as a defense, because it's still a real part of the game), is a great time for scum to let their guard down and do something scummy that they can then use "Random stage" as a defense in.

So whats exactly scummy in RANDOM bandwagoning Vino the way rolf, me and Korlash did?

[populartajo]

Random stage is characterized by the amount of "semiserious/not serious at all" votes. I cant speak for others but my reason to vote you was half joke (bandwagons are fun and a very potential source of information) and half agreement with Fish. Yep, it had an intention but it was still semirandom.

However, thinking that there HAS to be scum in a 4 person randomwagon in page 3 is full of fail. Where is the logic there?

Head Honcho. At this time you should have more than a gut suspicion on me. Please tell us who is scum.

[populartajo]

Im leaning to believe Lammont claim, partially due to the early breadcrumb. Even if he is tricking me, Im willing to see what information he can give us.

Things that I noticed:
@Sens, why do you strongly think Lammont is fakeclaiming?

@Honcho, please provide a list of suspicions.

@Has, what exactly are we discussing? You think the "random stage" excuse is for voting someone is crap. Its not. I repeat. What is so scummy in joining a wagon in random voting stage? Explain it please.

Finally:

Vote: the silent speaker.

Reasons already given / agree with rolf.

[populartajo]

This also bothers me.

btw, lets keep this momentum going people, don't just unvote and sit on your hands.

"Come on guys, let's lynch somebody quickly, doesn't matter who it is!"

FOS Vino

For that blatant misrepresentation.

[populartajo]

I see a group of people who are bandwagoning along what looks like coordinated agendas. An agenda of "deflection from rofl to Lamont or Vino, and ideally 1-2 mislynch of Lamont and Fishy" looks like it fits the facts. My inference from that is that the people doing the bandwagoning are scum, and my secondary inference is that the people being mislynched are town.

dude, does the fact that this thing happened in page 2-3 mean anything to you?
this is the first time you see a random stage bandwagon?

[populartajo]

So that means that you think the silent speaker is town and rolf is scum rushing town into a bad decision or what is it?

Vino, how many games have you played before?

[populartajo]

@Has, what exactly are we discussing? You think the "random stage" excuse is for voting someone is crap. Its not. I repeat. What is so scummy in joining a wagon in random voting stage? Explain it please.

There's nothing inherently scummy about joining a wagon in "RVS". However, you can't jump on a wagon, and then later say "but it was the RVS." That just doesn't work. You have to have a reason for jumping on the wagon to make it not look like scum bandwagoning with no chance of getting called out on it because it was the "RVS".

Kay, has I think I get your idea. I did have a reason (semidecent/semijoke but at the end a reason) to jump to that wagon. I agreed with fish analysis of Vino's first posts.

I just think that trying to find 100% serious reasons in a random bandwagon is a fruitless idea. People trying to paint these votes as a wagon infiltrated by scum eager to set a mislynch in page 2-3, and specially when it was a wagon in random stage, really bother me.

has, this is the first random bandwagon you see in mafiascum?

[populartajo]

So that means that you think the silent speaker is town and rolf is scum rushing town into a bad decision or what is it?

Holy crap don't put words in my mouth. Talk about misrepresentation, I didn't say anything about TSS. I don't know why you think I think he's town, I never said that, and I've been criticizing him recently. What I said is that rofl's statement strikes me as trying to rush us into another bandwagon without thinking about it, what's so wrong with that? Trying to direct other people to vote without analyzing and deciding what they think is decidedly un-townie behavior.

I didnt put words in your mouth. I was asking. Im trying to understand your thought process here.

Do you think that rolf, who is "rushing us into another bandwagon", is more likely to be town or scum based in this behavior?

[populartajo]

There's the second time in one page you're implying another player is inexperienced because he has a different opinion than you. I'm not quite sure what to think of it.

When exactly did I say this?

[populartajo]

The issue is not whether or not random bandwagons ever happen. This has been mentioned over and over again but you still seem so incredulous every time someone brings it up, which I see as scummy since you were defensive about it from the beginning. 'Random bandwagons' are what get the game going, and are usually the first point of interest in so many games, I don't really understand why in this particular game they should be disavowed because they happen frequently. In this case, a large portion of the bandwagon was because people liked to say 'solid', which is a fun innocuous way to hop onto a bandwagon and then stick around if it actually takes off seriously. Maybe the guy you're bandwagoning gets 'omg too defensive' because he's taking your random bandwagon seriously, the nerve! So then you can say 'omg overdefensive much? my vote is staying' or in this case 'omg someone defending him get them'. I don't think it's fair or genuine to say that there is no possible scum read to be gleaned from a 'random bandwagon'.

I fail to understand something. What exactly makes me scum? The fact that you disagree with me about the analysis of a randomwagon?

I repeat. I think that trying to find 100% serious reasons in a random bandwagon is a fruitless idea. People trying to paint these votes as a wagon infiltrated by scum eager to set a mislynch in page 2-3, and specially when it was a wagon in random stage, really bother me.

Its like you are looking for fishes in a pond when there is a sea in your right.

I also liked this little double standard, small but significant.

Dude, do you even know what double standard means? Please explain clearly why the posts you quoted are an example of double standard.

[populartajo]

Sorry, I thought what I meant was obvious. When you referred to them as wagons it was okay, when Lamont referred to them as wagons they became "wagons", which implies criticism, and I don't really get where that criticism's coming from.

Of course it implies criticism. Lammont not liking the Vino wagon and preferring the Emp and Kor wagons was really weird, as his posterior reasons provide:

I don't think I like this Vino wagon at all.

Mod Votecount please.

I would support the Emp or Korlash wagons at this point.

Unvote, Vote Empking

He needs to be posting

more

.

Why dont you like the Vino "wagon"?

Why would you support the Emp and Korlash "wagons"?

Based on the evidence we have & the criteria that qualifies potential lynchees this early in the game, Vino is

not

a proper lynch candidate.

I support a Korlash wagon because he blames other people for his loss in LYLO.

I support an Empking wagon because anyone that posts "/confirm" and leaves needs to post regularly or be lynched.

Also, did you just say sorry to a person that you suspect?

I don't know when I said that stuff about it being infiltrated by scum, I just think it's scummy to be so adamant that nothing can be gleaned from looking at it.

Its not scummy at all. I think its not optymal as it provides a weak reason to suspect people. Tell me what do you get from looking at it?

[populartajo]

Full claim, qwints. Flavor and such.

[populartajo]

Unvote Vote : Lammont

Votecount, please

In the unlikely but still possible scenario that Lammont is indeed a town cop, the doc should still protect qwints since its very likely he is the town cop.

[populartajo]

Im catchin up tonight. Had a very busy weekend.