Webcomic Wars Mafia: D7- Be Thankful I'm Not The Author

[Santos]

/ confirm

[Santos]

Lamont, cool your jets man. I feel like I'm reading Newbie 774 again.

Also, there are a couple people that have yet to post a word as opposed to just a '/confirm' like Empking.

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Random Outside Questions:

What was that acronym Tar used?
When does RVS end, typically?

[Santos]

Thanks for the replies.

[Santos]

oh my.

Yes, there is tons of reading and very little I have to contribute.

Why are people voting for SensFan? It seems like a typical SensFan vote in the beginning and he is catching a little flak for it.

[Santos]

Yeah, I really don't have much to say. I've got my web comic, and a hankering to put a vote on Lamont, but he's just so damned spastic it feels too much of a condemnation to lynch him because I get townie reads from him. On the flip side, his hyperactive posting could be a diversion for us to think he's a spastic townie instead of scum. If he's on quite a role of spamming the threads, then we cannot conclusively derive that he is always townie...but rather scum keeping up with his usual posting style.

At the end of the day, he would not be a bad choice if no one else seems more fit to eat rope today.

[Santos]

Santos: If you think he's town don't vote him.

But if he's a distraction?

[Santos]

Lamont, what are your plans for this mafia?

[Santos]

Would you want Tajo lynched or just him to talk more?

[Santos]

Well, hasdgfas always mentions that I have not done anything. I'm not sure what else I can do. Lamont, you have a point, moreso than hasdgfas, to wonder what populartajo's plans are since he actually applied a vote towards someone that is no longer random.

hasdgfas, you were calling me out a couple times. Was there anything else? I figure since you were paying attention to me it would be nice to know if you've come to any conclusions? I can role claim if you like, but it would only help scum safe claim later.

[Santos]

its not a sane idea. I just know how we can prove and disprove Lamont right now if most of us are sure he's scum. I mean, most of the votes are on him. So do his voters want something from him or do they just want him lynched?

[Santos]

It means I know a way to prove your innocence or guilt depending on your claim.

[Santos]

but that would require you to claim and if your voters want you to claim.

Or they just want to lynch you because you're playing all over the place.

[whisper]I've been trying to improve my own play as well because I often get distracted and do what you do. Its like watching myself post![/whisper]

Aw, no whisper code?

[Santos]

So, whats wrong with claiming? Oh, the mafia are scared of claiming, forgot.

Vote: hasdgfas

[Santos]

what's wrong with my vote?

[Santos]

Wait, before we digress, what do people want from Lamont?

[Santos]

is this my 'confirmation bias' like from the other game, Sens? :p

[Santos]

My wiki has a link to a game you were in where scum was wrong rolefishing...

Oh, now I'm rolefishing? Thanks, Lamont. I wasn't trying to get you to claim 'townie, doc, cop, vig,' but rather divulge a part of your role PM to confirm if you're innocent or guilty. That is what I was merely trying to ascertain. Sorry to lead you the wrong direction. But again, you certainly have the most votes out of anyone. Usually that means your voters want something if they've not straight up said 'Lamont is scum'.

Again, what do his voters want? I've only seen votes go on him for his, lack of a better word, spamming. Seems a little prejudice toward a fresh grown newbie. Hell, most of the people with longer standing tenure seem to have their vote on him. So what is the point?

[Santos]

I see that. I het how he soft-claimed though with no voting pressure. I have seen him play well before and he might just be using this as a cover for his soft-claim... Idea

Everyone should know a townie has no fear. So I'm here to play, and I'm here to win...even if that requires a fake vote! lol

[Santos]

but you have had no reaction to your votes except to cast the suspicion elsewhere. scum do that, but so do townies. which are we to assume you are? Right now, the majority would say you're scum deflecting the attention. Yes/no?

[Santos]

sorry, that was a reference to my townie-scum move in a newbie game where I caused a raucous in getting the scum to out himself in lynch or lose.

[Santos]

hence, the debate of: was it right or wrong to use it in the newbie thread. I now lean towards not using it because it is a newbie thread. I don't know how to make that make sense to you, but it just isn't 'right' you know?

anyway, back to you having the most votes...

[Santos]

My meta of Santos, spanning 2 games, is the exact opposite.

He has a tendency to, as Town, think he's coming into Mafia with ideas no one has ever had before, and that he's completely solving the game.

While you were an IC, I expected more constructive criticism. However, you were pounding on the townies that were lynched. You had no problem with that. Hence, why I said you were not scum hunting in that game, Sens.

I could say the same is apparent in this game, but more with the players who have longer tenure at this site. They're all going after Lamont saying he is spastic and has no clear line of thought(s). So they vote him.

[Santos]

I have seen him play well before

Haha! Highly debatable and probably not even worth saying, Lamont. May I ask where you've seen this?

[Santos]

oh, change 'tenure' to 'experience' as I'm sure Lamont and myself don't fall under either category.

[Santos]

I will tell you I play on another site and have hosted mafias before. Everyone is a newbie and have to play several newbie games before venturing elsewhere here. Also, just because I have experience elsewhere doesn't mean I'm any good. Why do you think I continue to play Newbie games and not try to become an IC? I'm not that great at playing yet.

[Santos]

well crap, never mind on the confirming you by part of your role PM, Lamont.

I often have trouble discerning the rules between here and where I play. Things like paraphrasing the role pm here has a harsher punishment if done incorrectly. Also, things like posting the win conditions in the OP gives everything away. its like a scum's wet dream to have that information.

[Santos]

Seems a little redundant. What is your strat?

[Santos]

Sens, you're right.
How come you left out the part where Sotty was trying to get me to learn how to build up a proper defense and use it against your cop claim against me? As it turned out, I managed to get something instead of the rant you purposefully posted without including the rest of the details. Why would you withhold all the information to explain my actions to someone when you could have just said here's the link, Empking, make your own conclusions. But as it appears, Empking is

trusting

SensFan's post on my meta as opposed to just looking for himself. WHHHHHHYYYY? It was a Newbie game too, fyi, and Sens was also caught for not scumhunting and advocating lynches on townies because he 'couldn't care less.'

So since we're both right and both wrong about things pertaining to that game, Sens, can we please drop the meta and focus on what we have here? You too Empking, if you're so damned interested in finding something out, then do the research yourself you lazy couch potato :p

[Santos]

I'm talking about where Fishy stated his reason for voting Vino. He said that Vino's post was "fake random as scum". I had also noticed how it appeared and said so to Fishy. I then asked Vino, who was voting for Rofl, to explain about the game they were in together. Vino does so very clearly, in a very convincing way. I am convinced that the "fake random scum" angle is wrong because it was neither fake nor random, nor a bus. I say so and the roof falls in.

I'm not fully adept to identifying everything in a mafia game yet, but is this considered a 'chainsaw' defense? Lamont going after Fishy because he voted for Vino? The main thing I think Lamont is scummy for is

but you have had no reaction to your votes except to cast the suspicion elsewhere. scum do that, but so do townies. which are we to assume you are? Right now, the majority would say you're scum deflecting the attention. Yes/no?

I'm scumhunting. I het soft-claiming & rolefishing (including Role-PM fishing; I will add a sub-section on this in my wiki) which you can see by reading my wiki. I am only taking action against anti-town behavior as I see it.

^this. To me, you're just not sticking to your 'townie guns' and trying to prove your innocence, but are rather being a superman and deflecting any bullets that come towards you towards someone else.

Unvote?

Vote: Lamont Cranston

What does 'getting back in your groove' entail? For me to believe you? I tried, man, I tried.

[Santos]

Unvote

[Santos]

Vote: the silent speaker

[Santos]

How popular are cults in this forum?

[Santos]

However, in an ongoing F11, Santos declared an intention to get as many claims as possible day one.

quoted not for truth. Why must you lie?

[Santos]

Percy, can you point out specifically why you've got your eye on me?

[Santos]

I think I'm just surprised a cop was killed. this setup has to have protection roles. I dont think I've seen a worse start for a town. :/

[Santos]

That vote hardly means anything for me.

[Santos]

lol, hilarious. You guys are awful scum hunters.

[Santos]

Vote: Santos

for pressure and 'this sucks' cuz we don't need town sympathy for stating the obvious; also, we have nothing else better to do anyways.

Go on, Santos, claim or die.

[Santos]

Oh, okay, you got me under some fat pressure. I guess I should role claim cuz you guys are awfully good at using the information based on yesterday and applying it well here today.

1) I am Riff
2) from Slug Freelance
3) i have a townsperson's role
4) I did my best to see Lamont's innocence, but his own 'fail' is what did him in. I actually thought his 'breadcrumb' was quite clever. Too bad it got him lynched.

And now today our formidable players are so jaded by the 'this sucks' posts that come from myself and Vino that they figure there is nothing else to go on and just vote for something completely a null-tell and trite.

Is there anything my voters would like me to do for nostalgia's sake since they know perfectly well what I'm supposed to do next?

[Santos]

As for who I think are scum:

1) Those who thought the silent speaker was clearly scum
2) Those who advocated the most for Lamont's lynch

[Santos]

After Lamont flipped town cop, we all [should have] thought Qwints was a lying scumbag. Mafia were the only ones who knew Qwint wasn't scum, so they took a gamble and off'd the claimed power role.

Please, tell me how I should have thought only this and not that there could be two cops in a large game like this?

How did you come to only this conclusion?
Why would you state the obvious in what the scum team would obviously do in killing the other town cop?
Why would you bother voting for and following people instead of stating your own intentions as to why I would be scum trying to play a sob story at the beginning of day 2.

I'm actually just irritated that our doctors are full of fail and didn't protect Quints.
Or...maybe we have a doctor that kills whoever he protects. It wouldn't be that far of a stretch to consider that as a possibility would it considering this is a more original mafia idea with a crazy theme?

[Santos]

@Serial, uh, because there are happy bandwagoners on people who are less than fantastic of mafia players. So why should I waste time? My voters obviously want me to do something and I figured I'd give them a show and see how they respond.

[Santos]

I have no idea why he would claim it as a towntell that he 'did [his] best' to see Lamont as innocent. Why try to look at someone in a biased manner? Apparently, now anyone who didn't want to do this is top of Santos' scumlist.

Because I'm tired of people pushing the buck on new players and ending up lynching just townies. That seems to be the way everyone rolls in these forums instead of trying to coach the newbies. Its so stupid.

"I have a townsperson's role" is the weirdest way of phrasing what he wants to imply.

I didn't want to do every word for word in my role email because the mods here at this forum are hard core on claims that are too close to the role PMs. So instead of vanilla townie, I alternatively used townsperson.

[Santos]

Sens played this way when he was scum claiming cop in another game. All I called him out for was for hating on newer people who ended up being townies and he wasn't scum hunting. He also doesn't represent very well as an IC.

As for Percy, well, obviously the contradiction in his statements warrant a

Vote: Percy

.

[Santos]

Well, I try seeing your side of the argument, Sens, but you never acknowledge mine except to slander my reputation. So who's the hypocrite?

[Santos]

^this makes sense. Conversely, I think people wanted to lynch Lamont based on his spastic accusations. He really dug his own grave, IMO. I will do a reread and see who advocated we lynch Lamont before and after his claim and see if anything adds up (because it seems putting a player's thoughts of Lamont before and after would really help in finding a scum who was all for lynching him at the best of opportunities.)

[Santos]

How do they conflict today?

[Santos]

EBWOP^

@ santos: Can you address the concerns about your statements yesterday and how they conflict with your claim today?

@Santos: Are you, in fact, claiming vanilla?

I said I am a simple towns person with no ability and possess only a vote to cast each day on who I think is scum.

[Santos]

I'm glad you didn't replace out.

I believe we have a lot to learn from each other.

And I'm asking the mod if that's okay. Last time I said something of the like I was modkilled. :/

[Santos]

To answer SensFan, I am a vanilla townie. Gorrad said its okay to say role name, but I def have to paraphrase flavor and anything else; that goes for most games.

Are you trying to troll us? Is that it?

What's your problem?

[Santos]

rather than simply posting "unvote, vote: lamont" like many did.

QFT.

I'll take that as a yes.

Why?

[Santos]

This is probably completely separate from what Empking is going to say, but answering your question myself, delathi, is it seems like Empking believed Lamont Cranston more because of such a thought out bread crumb. And when qwints counter-claimed, two things could be plausible:
1) Scum getting a town cop lynched by claiming cop.
2) Town cop counter claiming a town cop.

So either case makes Lamont's claim more substantial to believe. That's what I'm getting anyways...

[Santos]

*flicks the screen*

Sens, you still here? What do you think about Percy?

[Santos]

I am here.

What is the vote count?

[Santos]

Well, I figured asking was a bit lazy so I went and got it.

Percy (6): SerialClergyman, Tarhalindur, Santos, Empking, roflcopter, Kise
Vino (1): Hasdgfas, Fishythefish
Santos (1): SensFan, Percy
SerialClergyman (2): Korlash, Sajin

Note Voting (9): Sironigous, Slicey, Mufasa, Vino, Delathi, Riceballtail, ZazieR, Tzeentch, Head_Honcho

With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch.

Slicey requested replacement a few days ago, which I forgot to say. Prods go out soon

I'm really interested in waiting for ZazieR to catch up.

[Santos]

Kise should be around. Just saw a post by him in another thread.

[Santos]

Wow, what a dumb statement, Tar. I was being humble and trying to not get this game involved any further with our (SensFans and my) squabbles. My intention was to take this outside of the game and not concern any of you people.

It was not game related.

Also, when has it ever been against the rules to talk to other forummers? This is ludicrous.

Tar, seriously, you misunderstand my intentions of an apology to another person. Now that he quite, it just shows me how much of a coward he is to not be able to converse properly with someone who is stating an apology.

[Santos]

quite should be quit*

[Santos]

Anyways, if Gorrad wants me to quit to stop this ridiculousness I've caused that could have been taken care of more maturely outside the thread, I can rescind my role for someone else.

[Santos]

He asked Gorrad to replace out because of the PM I sent him, apologizing to him.

Drama, bro.

Anyways,

Vote: Vino

because its still not settling right in how I get called out for 'This Sucks' when he did it before me. IMO, its like the attention was diverted all to me. Not sure if anyone else saw that, but that's what it felt like.

[Santos]

Hahahahahaha

[Santos]

Okay, I'm calmed down now.

I might as well use meta because that is the only thing I'll be able to do to defend myself against this 'strategy' SensFan apparently wants to use in this game, that he failed miserably at in the last game I played with him. (Yes, this is my

bias

because despite my incessant rambling about the cop investigation on a townie issue, I called him out for something much more detrimental on his play style and I will vehemently stand by my victory despite being a terrible newb because I at least caught semioldguy before I was called out scum by SensFan. It was just SensFan knowing I was going to come into the next day advocating his partner's lynch now that we know the results of the game.)

So, my defense against SensFan's 'policy' advocation as opposed to the simplicity of just a

'gut'

feeling - because no one can prove/disprove gut, IMO.

Here we go:

First game played with SensFen I replaced in for another player. After catching up on the game, the most I got from SensFan was his adamant appeals to lynch players whose posting styles/newbness didn't appeal to him - and you can quote him here, here, personal bias here, I replace in here with my analysis and SensFan claiming cop. (Also, insert my tirade and the snowball effect that follows with it.)

However, points noted in this post are eventually what I wanted SensFan to explain as to why advocating lynches on now confirmed townies

still

wouldn't change his mind...hence, I called him out for not scum hunting, but bashing now dead townies.

Furthermore, as we bask in the glory of a lynched town cop in

this game

, that I would bet money on is another of SensFan's 'policy lynches', is:

1) Lamont Cranston, again he has no problem voting for in this game - Policy lynch I'd bet my life on he was standing by.
2) Sens/my pitched battle pours over into this game, again he has no problem voting for me, forgetting that my intrepid defense against him now lies solely on the fact that he hates players like myself.

Lastly, SensFan's 'policy lynch' is just incredibly doubtful, IMO. Based on the facts that I pointed out in his inability to scum hunt, back up breadcrumbs to a claim he 'planned' and his overall brashness with players who ended up being townies just doesn't make sense, along with his reasons of a 'policy lynch' not particularly favorable of a win condition for the

town

.

SensFan, if you're plan is to policy lynch players on the basis above, then how is the town ever supposed to win

any game

, regardless of your alignment? It wreaks of scum, again, regardless of your alignment because if you're going to advocate a lynch in every game you play with Lamont based on a 'policy, then eff you man because you are a terrible IC and not good at coaching new mafia players, also reluctant to even chat outside of a thread via PM, but instead run to a host to have bastardize my name in this forum (

confirmation now observed by being banned from Tar's games).

If it were up to me, I'd revoke that title you possess because you don't deserve it amongst the many other who definitely do. You are not helping the town, you are not helping the mafia community and you are no fun to play with.

[Santos]

IMO, following strong players as a newbie is kinda smart and helps newbies get more knowledgeable in mafia.

Quoted for fucking truth because its certainly helped me out.

[Santos]

I had a feeling you wouldn't be able to back up your reason to vote me.

[Santos]

What a sob train. Well, since doing rereads tends to help a lot:

Of course Scum can be wrong. But if Santos is genuinely wrong about this (and I think he is), then its

not a sign

of him being Scum.

is this my 'confirmation bias' like from the other game, Sens? :p

Sens: Can you give the best example of what you're taslking about in regard to Santos.

Newb game. 5 players alive, LyLo. I faked a Guilty on him. All he did was:

*Claim in every single post that I must be Scum, since "Cops don't get Guilty results on Townies in Newb games"
*Admit that he was purposefully spin-doctoring and making everything I say look scummier than it was, in an attempt to get me lynched
*Claim in every single post that I must be Scum, since "Cops don't get Guilty results on Townies in Newb games"
*Not even attempt to defend against any case I made against him
*Claim in every single post that I must be Scum, since "Cops don't get Guilty results on Townies in Newb games"

Luckily for him, I was lynched because my partner decided to bus, and the other IC saw 'pro-Town reactions' from Santos. Post-game, he refused to listen that he might have been wrong, since 'it worked, so I beat you, Sens, admit it'.

Sens, you're right.
How come you left out the part where Sotty was trying to get me to learn how to build up a proper defense and use it against your cop claim against me? As it turned out, I managed to get something instead of the rant you purposefully posted without including the rest of the details. Why would you withhold all the information to explain my actions to someone when you could have just said here's the link, Empking, make your own conclusions. But as it appears, Empking is trusting SensFan's post on my meta as opposed to just looking for himself. WHHHHHHYYYY? It was a Newbie game too, fyi, and Sens was also caught for not scumhunting and advocating lynches on townies because he 'couldn't care less.'

So since we're both right and both wrong about things pertaining to that game, Sens, can we please drop the meta and focus on what we have here? You too Empking, if you're so damned interested in finding something out, then do the research yourself you lazy couch potato :p

Vote: Santos

Combination of gut and policy.

my post in response to Sen's reason to vote me.

I won't play in any game in which I need to put up with the

abuse

Santos has given me in this one

So his first post towards me says I'm probably not scum. Later his vote towards me is 'gut' and 'policy' which I used evidence of meta to call him out on his own game.

Who is the one that started it, backed themselves into a corner they now realize they didn't want to get into, and quit the game and not having the spine to defend themselves? You started this 'abuse' in this game, I ended it. I'm glad you're gone Sens, but I feel bad for your replacement.

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However, despite all that's happened, I definitely cannot tell if Sens is scum or town and we were just having a huge war to prove or disprove anything.

I still want to keep my vote on Vino, but during my reread of the above I also saw a lot of people against Tajo and the silent speaker that makes them look a lot more suspicious.

[Santos]

I concede to the replacement ruling. However, I feel I needed to say what I said because SensFan tarnished my name for other games to join on a technicality that I tried to handle outside the game instead of bringing it here.

/out