The Sopranos: A Deadly Game (GAME OVER!)

[rajrhcpfreak]

/confirm

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: millar13

it makes me happy.

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: millar13

it makes me happy.

Not saying your scum, but with a few votes placed on me "during the random stage" bandwagon without a reason looks scummy.

And I would say this if you did the same to any1 else

does my vote make you uncomfortable. and please don't say random stage or ill punch you in the face.

but the emp bandwagon and inhim is funny. why is he getting attacked when there is plenty of people after him that pushed it even worse. i seriously doubt that the first couple on that bandwagon are scum. but im seriously looking at the last half.

[rajrhcpfreak]

but the emp bandwagon and inhim is funny. why is he getting attacked when there is plenty of people after him that pushed it even worse. i seriously doubt that the first couple on that bandwagon are scum. but im seriously looking at the last half.

I think I'm reading this wrong. Are you defending inHim, or Emp?

obvme.

KYK is a tight-knit band of brothers.

tru dat

i keep forgetting im playing a game on the site....


im wondering if attacking the "slip up" of the terminology is really helpful in catching scum. its like me attacking someone for going rawr in animafia. granted you might be right like i was. but there is no real evidence.

[rajrhcpfreak]

oh and e_k <3 get on some time.

[rajrhcpfreak]

im very pleased with my vote.

im sticking with it.

[rajrhcpfreak]

My inside info gives me good vibes from al's play so far.

Don't tease the cock if you don't plan on making it climax. I'm not going to gauge you for information, but I didn't get a damn thing that helps me to identify any other players here and who their character might be.

X

from the people attacking and defending, you get alot of information. of course we will find out loads more if we lynch someone. but reactions to bandwagons can give some great info vibes. and im still on the millar wagon

[rajrhcpfreak]

rajrhcpfreak apart from reminding every1 your on my wagon, why don't you give some information about some others playerS?

lol, ive played this game before. so no. when the time is right i will talk about others.

[rajrhcpfreak]

You should always talk about more than one person on day one. Or if you going to stick to just one person....have a big case.

we are all different people. you gain info by observing reactions of players. with such a big game i dont have enough info to say alot. its like playing poker and constantly talking. its just not my style, i prefer to hold my cards close and lay them down when i feel more certain or if telling my opinion will help the game.
and in the theme of cards, this isnt go fish where you can ask me to reveal something to you. especially when im not the one under suspicion.


Now this is relevant and should help the town:
I think the alko bandwaogn is bollocks. there is no real evidence to support it, from what i remember (if there is tell me). i suspect some heavy busing from scum. hence my vote on millar. if the bandwagon does get bigger i would support a claim, that would be very helpful.

[rajrhcpfreak]

alko, please dont abbreviate Empking as EK.

EK, ek, e_k, E_K, elvis = elvis_knits
Emp, emp, E-king = Empking

[rajrhcpfreak]

fos inhim

ive seen you take my pick threes and ran with them as scum.


but my current people im looking at with suspicion is millar, hohum, kise, and you.


E_K has been very helpful and i really liked SSF's post.

[rajrhcpfreak]

great job zoneace and hohum. you killed the thread. now get on the millarwagon and lets get rolling.

[rajrhcpfreak]

you shouldnt policy anyone. its bad game play.

[rajrhcpfreak]

great job zoneace and hohum. you killed the thread. now get on the millarwagon and lets get rolling.

why millar and why not the active wagon?

i never saw a good reason for the alko wagon and millar has been much scummier.

[rajrhcpfreak]

I still think Millar is our best bet. He started a wagon on Al on fishy premises, and I don't like his massclaim idea either.

:goodposting:

still havnt seen some good evidence. how about you tell us millar, then we can push him for a claim.

[rajrhcpfreak]

then why are you running him up? do you plan on quick lynching him with out a claim?

but there should still be some good evidence on this bandwagon if the town (like zoneace & hohum) feels like they can distract the thread with their pissing contest then resume the bandwagon because "its the biggest", there should be some reasoning behind it.

[rajrhcpfreak]

oh and in case you didnt know millar, this is the usual way things go:

bandwagon -> claim -> lynch

bandwagon -> claim -> bandwagon someone else -> claim -> lynch

or if its early enough then you

bandwagon -> someone acts scummy ->bandwagon that person -> claim -> lynch

no matter what you do someone needs to claim so im not twisting your words around. its the next practical step since zoneace is tunneling on alko. along with all the rest of the lurking town. so once again give us an arguement. if its good then ill support the bandwagon. but if you dont have one then i will have to say that you are the person that is acting scummy and we should bandwagon you.

[rajrhcpfreak]

but there should still be some good evidence on this bandwagon if the town

(like zoneace & hohum)

feels like they can distract the thread with their pissing contest then resume the bandwagon because "its the biggest", there should be some reasoning behind it.

You know for fact that these two are pro-town, or.. what?

im not saying their protown. im saying they are part of the town. and apparently they have enough pull to hijack the thread and not get attacked for it.

[rajrhcpfreak]

so you werent playing for the town. ill consider that a win in my book.

[rajrhcpfreak]

yes, lets attack the person that it takes less people to vote out. that way you need less townies to help. pushing for an easy lynch is not pro town.

blatant omgus

vote: cjmiller

[rajrhcpfreak]

Vote: rajrhcpfreak

You aren't making enough to please the Family. You must be whacked.

So you're voting for a player who chose to make money instead of kill somebody last night?

ooh good point.... but as much as i would love to clear myself, we can't eliminate the three of us that took jobs because only one person in a mafia group has to make a kill at night. but i would assume that the three of us were "blocked" from making kills for night 1. its some info and since there is 3 killers on the lose right now i would assume that targeting the 3 people that did jobs would be the least of the town's concern.

[rajrhcpfreak]

fyi i took job 2.

and i am the only one (other than the other two) that can confirm making money. so stop attacking me.

[rajrhcpfreak]

oh good point SSF.
looks like everyone made money. and everyone is taking mine because of my position.
im still sticking with cjmiller going after an easy lynch.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Noticing something weird...

Alko

was the first one to say that raj took a job last night:

Vote: rajrhcpfreak

You aren't making enough to please the Family. You must be whacked.

So you're voting for a player who chose to make money instead of kill somebody last night?

And then raj confirmed it, but not before alko said it.

So, this is probably partly where the misunderstanding came from about earnings and jobs. I remember I just sort of assumed this was right because I didn't actually understand the earnings thing yet. (Yesterday I had several PM's with the mod trying to figure out how earning work... and am not even sure I understand all the special mechanics yet.)

The way I see it, there are two possibilities:

1)Alko thought listed earnings were only from jobs (which is what I assumed after reading his post and raj's confirming the job). Or some other misunderstanding which led him to think that raj took a job?

or

2)Alko

KNEW

raj did a job last night. If it's this -- how did alko know? This option naturally makes me suspicious of them. I guess there are roles besides scum that could communicate at night, but scum is a definite possibility.

ALKO -- please explain why you thought/knew raj did a job last night?

personally i saw 3 people up there and i assumed we were the three people that were able to do the jobs. i didnt read or hear that everyone had jobs.

i also had an epiphany. i had to have done a job. if we are ranked and other people get your money, people higher than you, then i have to be the low man on the totem pole. so because most of my money is given to others then that confirms that i did the did a job. if i didnt do a job i would have 0 money.


FOS inhim

you vote for me because of somthing alko said? i can only assume that he was thinking like me because all i knew was that i had taken a job.

now there is somthing there, did you take a job alko?
i think alko just confessed to not taking a job.

[rajrhcpfreak]

should we mass claim on who did a job last night?

[rajrhcpfreak]

personally i saw 3 people up there and i assumed we were the three people that were able to do the jobs. i didnt read or hear that everyone had jobs.

i also had an epiphany. i had to have done a job. if we are ranked and other people get your money, people higher than you, then i have to be the low man on the totem pole. so because most of my money is given to others then that confirms that i did the did a job. if i didnt do a job i would have 0 money.


FOS inhim

you vote for me because of somthing alko said? i can only assume that he was thinking like me because all i knew was that i had taken a job.

now there is somthing there, did you take a job alko?
i think alko just confessed to not taking a job.

raj... what are you saying... that you weren't sure whether you had done a job or not? How did you not know?

And why is not taking a job scummy?

1. i knew i took the job. at first i thought that the three people mentioned were the only people that took a job. i should have known when I didnt get the full amount that there was more people in between #2 and me. only when SSF352 reposted the rules i realized what was going on.

2. not taking a job means you might have made one of the three kills last night.

[rajrhcpfreak]

For me, it seems, that if I chose to do nothing during the night (not accept a job or perform a night action), then i have no reason to believe I would make more than $0, because, the money i made last night ALL came from my night action, and if I hadn't done that night action, why would I have made any money.

i agree. my income came solely from my job. sounds like zwet has a special position.

[rajrhcpfreak]

because you have some reason/bases to assume that everyone gets a base salary.

[rajrhcpfreak]

im sorry. i havnt posted since everyone voiced their opinion.

i think its premature to assume that a base salary couldnt be $0. yes e_k is right that it isnt a salary if you are getting $0, but that is assuming that MOS was thinking that way.

from what i gathered is that we do jobs and then we give a portion of our money up to people above us i was assuming that your "base salary" is the % you get from the people below you. since my assumptions is that all money is coming from the jobs.

granted everyone could have a salary and my salary could be $1,000 and i made $2,000 on the job.

i dont know what my connections is going to be from friday-thursday but i know it will be limited because im going to be out of town.

right now im still happy with my vote. going after an easy lynch is too suspicious. everyone else just seams confused with the set up are trying to figure it out.

[rajrhcpfreak]

is comes from the fact that i did a job and i still have the lowest amount of money.

also it comes from the idea that money isnt being created out of thin air. but i dont know anything about a salary, i dont know any thing about it from my role. maybe your role states that you automatically get so much salary.

[rajrhcpfreak]

If you're trying to relate this to the real world, where something isn't created out of nothing, this is far from the real world. Even relating it to that, there's more to the real world than "us", the players. Think of hypothetical outside sources as our means of income. the idea that "money can't be created out of thin air" is no basis for thinking most players's base salary is $0.

i know, thats prolly why im wrong. but since i have no knowledge of getting a set salary, i was assuming that the money comes from the one place that we were told there is money, the jobs.

and i dont think most people's base salary is $0, i just think mine is. since i think im at the bottom of the food chain and i have an extremely small total after completing a job.

but lets just say that your explanation is right. and im ready to move on.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Does anyone think there's any information to be gained (or any harm to be done) from eveyone claiming their totals? I'd be in favore because we already know what 3 people made (including the top two) and it doesn't seem like the type of information that could expose players.

bump.

im for it. mainly because everyone knows mine. and usually more info the uninformed townies get the better choices they make.

i already suggested claiming who took jobs and e_k shot it down.

i wont force either, but i would support both. it would help me in my scum hunting.

[rajrhcpfreak]

last 6 posts are not helpful.

[rajrhcpfreak]

how about the fact that you refuse to scum hunt unless someone says "im scum"
but dont get so defensive, im on your side. zwet is the one thats distracting the town.

[rajrhcpfreak]

CJmiller is the one that attacked Raj for making so little money.

Right then.

Vote CJ

Okay, I can see now why you voted me with your pretense. But now I have to ask what you find scummy about CJ's actions? You're voting him for starting this entire discussion that "derailed us from scumhunting" so to speak. But he simply voted Raj for making the least money and hasn't posted since. I am not seeing any logic or reason in your vote for CJ that sounds justified.

How is distracting from scumhunting not scummy?

And his vote was really loigicless.

it has logic if he was wanting to get an easy lynch to keep the town off him. so thats great logic for scum.

im not trusting inhim at all. i dont see the connection of me/mneme/alko. and i really dont trust zwet and SSk im on the fence about.
well there is the alko assuming i took a job. but there isnt more you can sort out than what he said. and i cant defend my self for somthing i didnt say. all i can do is tell you what i assumed when getting my PM.
the thought of making them town leaders doesnt make me happy, sounds like hes trying to set up people to be the fall guys.

i also dont trust him on the fact hes trying to sabotage my perfect record this season.

still on the CJ wagon. first post to start an attack on me. and disappears to let the sharks on me. im curious about the theory if it was a random/joke vote. if it was then im even more convinced on voting him out.

[rajrhcpfreak]

@worldcon. So don't have time for this game, but I'm at a filk and have a bit of time to catch up, so...


inHimshallibe: is a hypocrite. Or a -really- uncareful reader. He agrees that a mass job claim is a terrible idea, but misses the point that that's the entire point of my substantive attack on raj (who suggested same). Not sure what this says about Locke.

Also, the money -does- have angles; it's not just mechanics. Among other things, it provides ways to catch a player in a lie -- which is crucial.

CJ's opening vote was suspicious not because it was a serious vote (it wasn't), but because it was a joke vote on day 2, which is a minor tell.

If I had to choose between Zoneace and Zwiet, I'd choose to lynch Zwiet.

i suggested the mass claim because it will help me with my scum hunting. since i feel like i am completely in the dark and i am getting the least amount of money. but like i said earlier. if the town thinks that its best not to claim then i will respect their decision. i can see the reasoning, but i might be more dangerous than scum with the info.

unvote
vote:zweit

hes not helpful. and his actions are causing zoneace from moving his vote to help places.
also hes scummy as hell. and he was in my pick three for this day (aka inhim you better join us).

[rajrhcpfreak]

im with zoneace here. how is making money going to help the town more than tracking someone.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i suggest this because CJ claims to have an ability, that while not 100% confirmable, can be collaborated, in theory, by the person he follows after his reveal tomorrow.

While Zwet has proven to be useless and a D-bag, over and over.

:goodposting:

very good posting actually. i would add something if i could but i think zoneace hits the nail right on the head.

[rajrhcpfreak]

scum tactic would be to stall a lynch and not post. it also saves their asses later on when not being connected with either side of the lynch.

[rajrhcpfreak]

FOS ZONEACE

- for basically being less helpful than those he is berating.

bullshit


READ MY FUCKING POSTS IN ISOLATION AND COMPARE THEM TO OTHERS. I'VE BEEN A HELL OF A LOT MORE HELPFUL.


inhim is clearly scum with zwet he's REALLY pushing hard against that lynch for no reason.

zoneace is town

[rajrhcpfreak]

raj- your last post says "zoneace is town". How do you know this?

zoneace has been acting protown all day. granted i dont agree with his choices or methods. but hes attacking inhim who is think is anti town, ingame and inplay.

so i also chose an inhim strategy and post a small line saying that hes town.

but i really do think zoneace's best interest is in aligned with the town.

[rajrhcpfreak]

raj- your last post says "zoneace is town". How do you know this?

zoneace has been acting protown all day. granted i dont agree with his choices or methods. but hes attacking inhim who is think is anti town, ingame and inplay.

so i also chose an inhim strategy and post a small line saying that hes town.

but i really do think zoneace's best interest is in aligned with the town.

raj getting bonus points here.

ZONEACE - right now, you are not being even as helpful as zwet. Day 1, I also recall you picked a fight with hohum, who was Town, and picking fights definitely isn't helpful. I'm not voting you because the rest of your Day 1 was pretty good, as I noted at the time, but pushing the zwet lynch is not helping this game.

killa seven is avoiding accusations by just spouting questions back at his accusers. Vote stays.

how is pushing the zwet wagon not helpful? hes scum.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i dont see the kise wagon. looks more like an anti-zwet wagon and maybe close to a scum saving their partner wagon.

not setting up lynches, but just a little observation if zwet comes up scum.

the kise wagon really is killing the zwet wagon. and if we really do have a deadline tomorrow, and i wouldnt see why we deserve an extension since everyone is lurking/not being helpful. so with a dealine we are looking at a no lynch.

since the deadline is tomorrow i would suggest that zwet fully claims. then if its a deadline lynch then we can jump off before it happens to save him or if we think he is scum we can make sure hes lynched.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Zwet: actually, lynching you and blowing your immujnity has all kinds of goodness:

If you're lying and not immune, it kills scum.

If you're immune and scum, it blows off your immunity.
If you're immune and town, it proves you told the truth, and we can take this into account as useful info.

Regardless, it's better than a mislynch, and while its worse than lynching scum today, I believe the odds of getting a useful result from a zwet lynch are much better than the odds of getting a useful result from lynching someone else who's just suspicious.

unvote
vote: zwetschenwasser

its also better than having no majority and having no lynch at all.
and not dying doesn't confirm him. it just proves that hes lynch immune (at least one shot).
lynch immune could be 'godfather' powers, SK+ power, neutral power, survivor power.

i still want a full claim.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Zwet: actually, lynching you and blowing your immujnity has all kinds of goodness:

If you're lying and not immune, it kills scum.

If you're immune and scum, it blows off your immunity.
If you're immune and town, it proves you told the truth, and we can take this into account as useful info.

Regardless, it's better than a mislynch, and while its worse than lynching scum today, I believe the odds of getting a useful result from a zwet lynch are much better than the odds of getting a useful result from lynching someone else who's just suspicious.

unvote
vote: zwetschenwasser

its also better than having no majority and having no lynch at all.
and not dying doesn't confirm him. it just proves that hes lynch immune (at least one shot).
lynch immune could be 'godfather' powers, SK+ power, neutral power, survivor power.

i still want a full claim.

i forgot cult leader too.

[rajrhcpfreak]

inhim posted under kykrew. not me.

but suprisingly i gained more money last night not doing a job than when i did a job the first night.

i wonder if there is some kind of money mover role.

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: CJMILLAR

going over his posts makes me confident in joining the wagon.

[rajrhcpfreak]

$3,400 last night.

im in DC for the next month. i should be able to post once a day. but its just a warning.

[rajrhcpfreak]

what else can i say. im traveling back to lexington tomorrow. so i should be fully back into the game. but i took the least profitable job. i assumed that less people will go for the job with the smallest payout so i tried that strategy. my plan was to do a job from here on out. from what i see i should be helping the family as much as i can.

the only time i didnt take the job was to confirm to see if we all got a base salary, which didnt clear too much up since i got more money from not doing a job.

[rajrhcpfreak]

what else can i say. im traveling back to lexington tomorrow. so i should be fully back into the game. but i took the least profitable job. i assumed that less people will go for the job with the smallest payout so i tried that strategy. my plan was to do a job from here on out. from what i see i should be helping the family as much as i can.

the only time i didnt take the job was to confirm to see if we all got a base salary, which didnt clear too much up since i got more money from not doing a job.

raj do you always go for the job with the smallest payout?

i dont think i did, i think i took the middle job on the first night. and then the second night i didnt take a job by request of the town.

[rajrhcpfreak]

ok so i just checked PBP of killa. i dont see why hes alive. sounds more usless than me.

vote: killa seven

[rajrhcpfreak]

unvote
vote MafiaSSK

i buy the claim. his actions makes sense if he is telling the truth.
i kinda would like a reason why MafiaSSK didnt take a job the night he and killa agree on his actions.

also what about the other nights killa?

[rajrhcpfreak]

oh sorry about the double post.
loan shark would know about the influx of the money in the game. the influx of money mainly comes from jobs. its a stretch but i think it is a decent claim.

once again it would help to know who else he checked during the other nights. for now i feel comfortable about taking my vote off.

[rajrhcpfreak]

on day 5 should we do trying to scum hunt more than meta on players.

should we discuss killa's power and results?

[rajrhcpfreak]

not taking a job is kinda scummy. that means they could have made a kill.

[rajrhcpfreak]

im not for ending a game.

[rajrhcpfreak]

all of the above.

[rajrhcpfreak]

im here, im not posting until the mod clarifies something with me.

[rajrhcpfreak]

why wasnt SSK killed?
where was his claim?

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote mafiassk

your lack of a full claim makes me very upset.

[rajrhcpfreak]

im here, im not posting until the mod clarifies something with me.

Since you've posted, I assume what you wanted has been clarified. Care to explain?

mod was prodding me. when i thought i had been active. i thought that i had chosen a job but actually the way ive been choosing my jobs, though IM with the mod, has not been counted. i was very confused because previous nights i made my job choice that way and nothing was said. tonight was the first time i was told that i wasnt active and i needed to post. before i was replaced and i wasnt going to get any more warnings.

which i was very surprised because i have posted and have been more active than inhim (38 posts including him posting as kykrew to my 60 posts including this one) but it sounds like im getting more slack for it from players and the mod. but now that the mod has clarified that only personal messages on mafiascum count for night choices. i will obey the rules. just surprised that there was no prod about it sooner and that i wasnt told until after day six started.

but really i dont want to get into it. technically i didnt follow the rules and that was clarified to me.

now back to mafiassk not helping us.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Raj:

I meant to post this with the death scene, but here are few clarifications on night choices (most of which should be obvious):

1) As with nearly every mafia game (at least most of the ones I have seen), all night choices MUST be sent by PM. They cannot and will not be received in any other manner. This assures accountability and easy access to the choices for both mods. If your choice is not found in a PM to this account, it will not be counted.

That was at the start of August. You're telling me that not only did you not pay attention to that but that it also took you until the end of November, consistently being the lowest earner throughout the game, to realise that your job choices were not being counted? Did you not think to check any of this after N1?

just checked with the mod and unfortunately that is correct. that explains why i am the lowest earner. it also clear up the confusion that i had when i made more money the night i "didnt take a job" than the nights i "did take a job"

i feel like a moron. all games i do something stupid like this. someone might try to get me out for it, but i swear that ive told the truth and if you follow my actions they match with my story.

while i havnt helped the town in night actions i am still trying my hardest to help the town in the day. so mafiassk...

[rajrhcpfreak]

townies would want to help the town by claiming and helping us figure out whats going on. does it not confuse you that we have two lynch immune players?

[rajrhcpfreak]

i dont want to distract the town, but where did the numbers come from?
is there some special mathematical formula? this would excite me if there was.

[rajrhcpfreak]

the only reason ill go with your reasoning right now is supports my read on SSK.

again we need something from you SSK. if your town then this is the exact reason why we cant lynch mafia.

[rajrhcpfreak]

because ssk is scummy as hell. he wont claim. and he already has votes. absolutely not help to the game. inhim, as much as he pisses me off for getting away with lurking he atleast helps when he does post. if there is support ill help you put the fire under him. but the way the game is stalling i think we need to get rid of the dead weight. unless a decent claim comes sometime soon.

[rajrhcpfreak]

unvote
vote:inHim

vote count please

[rajrhcpfreak]

some one lynch him already. hes not going to post. and im tired of being prodded.
so lets get this over with.

[rajrhcpfreak]

well inhim isnt posting at all. he was up in lexington all weekend and he made it very clear he doesnt care about this game and he wasnt going to post.

he is the scummiest along with SSK, since DGB wants inhim first then we agreed as a town to kill him. there is alot of scum still alive so our percentage is really high.

there is really nothing to post about with inhim not showing up.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Reviewed output if MafiaSSK is town:

466 InHim
309 SSF
233 alko
226 Spyrex
203 raj
110 Kairyuu
50 Kise II
50 Llamora
43 KoC

here was DG's list since she was pretty dead on with inhim.
i not for blindly following it. but it looks like a good lead.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Since everyone has received a PM to start the day, they will be replaced if they do not post within 72 hours.

I received my PM significantly before the start of day. I logged on and it was still night.

Raj, anything other than the numbers and being right about inhim that makes you trust DGB's list?

Speaking of her lists, did she make such a list under the assumption that Inhim was scum?

just that shes a very good player. and she was right about the top suspect. granted we dont know her system to start calculating new totals for future lynches. but she was also killed. if she was going in the wrong direction then mafia could have kept her alive. yes i know its wifom. but its more likely than mafia killing her so she wont modify her list and we blindly follow it.


but the only reason i bring it up was because the game has been slowing down. very slow at the end of yesterday and possibly running someone up high on the list can get us some more info and inject some life into this game. and its not like we are blindly following her. everyone on the top of the list has some scumminess.


but im curious what SFF was talking about what happened to him at night. doesnt look like anyone is confessing so what happened?

[rajrhcpfreak]

ok SFF, we really need you active.
before i vote for you i think you need to claim what happened to you at night.

[rajrhcpfreak]

if no one else is going to claim that happened to them then there is a high probability that hes lying and SSF needs to claim asap.

even if hes telling the truth he could still be scum, which means he still needs to claim.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i believe alko for now about the change of the crew leader.
it still sounds fishy about ssf claim from what happened to him last night.
and we should address alko not taking a job last nght, is that true?

and from what i see i am making less than the top two. so about the question earlier i think i am somewhere closer to the bottom of the pecking order still even with me being a moron.

[rajrhcpfreak]

edit after post: sorry i was lurky this last week. school started.

and the question about if mafia are in the same crew or not is a good question. we prolly should address it.

[rajrhcpfreak]

thats the biggest problem.
there could be a mass crew claim. but that might only help mafia.

i have no clue how else we could get info out of it. but i think it could be useful and i would like to hear everyone's ideas on what we could do.

[rajrhcpfreak]

locke makes a good point i think we might be getting close to lynch and lose.
should we be checking SSF's ability or not?

i think hes still pretty scummy so i am willing to hammer after K7 answers Locke's questions.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i took the 3rd job.

sorry about the end of yesterday i thought we had more time. but we already had a majority on SSF and we were able to test SSF's ability.

im not really for sure about all these people able to avoid lynches. scum has to have at least one of the abilities.

im curious about Knight of Cydonia's ranking in the family and what night actions he's been taking. I was stupid and didnt take any job the first couple nights but I was able to catch up to him.

thats all i have to say for now.

[rajrhcpfreak]

KoC, what about the people you replaced. did they take jobs every night?

[rajrhcpfreak]

Raj, what was your cut from Job 3?

Zwet, Kai, SSK, you've already claimed, mind telling us what jobs you did and what you earned on the last couple of nights?

i made $26,330 last night. so i guess we can confirm that SSF is above me with a higher base.


but a three person scum list would be...
Zwet, MafiaSSK, and alko.

also anyone who can avoid a lynch is suspicious to me. i do assume that one of them will be town.

[rajrhcpfreak]

I don't know how allowable it is for me to claim what I made each night, I know some people have, but I feel like it's too close to quoting PMs from the mod.

we are only quoting numbers. you can confirm these numbers by copying the 1st, 2nd, and Last place people every night. so saying that it is quoting the mod is a streach thats like saying using "Mafia" or "Town" in a roleclaim is quoting the mod.

fos: alko

[rajrhcpfreak]

no, im just saying that the mod is making public knowledge of certain players money actions. which should make it acceptable to use this information as part of claims.
honestly it gives the town info if we claimed how much we made. i find it suspicious that you arn't coming forth with the info.
noone is being mod killed for claiming the amount of money they made.

[rajrhcpfreak]

no i guess we arn't but alko is openly saying that he doesnt want to say how much he made. thats a little suspicious.

since everyone know how much money i made every night it would be night to know everyone elses. i support a money claim but im not pushing it.
imho it would benefit the town more than scum to know this info. because the lack of taking a job means that person is making a kill.

[rajrhcpfreak]

@SSF: Job history. Go. Now.

i second this.


i might switch alko and SSF on my list right now. thanks for the post of your money alko.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i think Locke hit it right on the money. be we cant have a favorite with out SSK and Zwet chiming in.

i also forgot about KoC

[rajrhcpfreak]

ok this isnt good.
SSK needs to post.

vote: MafiaSSK

L-1 hopefully gets him to speak.

[rajrhcpfreak]

sounds like a good plan. ill confirm taking the lowest paying job.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Farside: those Raj quotes are all from a period when he was pretty confused about the money mechanics.

i also thought that i was taking a job every night.

[rajrhcpfreak]

the only reason I agreed to replace in this game is I respect the mod and he's one of the few people I would help out in a game.

well said. i always liked you farside.


to everyone else, are we all set on the jobs and everything?

[rajrhcpfreak]

My total earning as of night 7 is: $64,160

[rajrhcpfreak]

$21,680 last night
$85,840 total

[rajrhcpfreak]

i think ive mentioned it before that ive been suspicious of KoC. his lurking has made me forget about him in the game multiple times and then the fact that i passed him in money when i didnt take jobs the whole first part of the game.

i atleast want a claim from him.

but of the 4 that locke is pushing he is the top suspect in my eyes, also watch out for scum quick lynching him. so im going to hold my vote right now. but just pretend that this

FOS: KoC

is a vote. after a claim i think we can decide if he is scum or not.

of the four that locke mentions i think the least suspicious is me, but im bias. so that leaves kairyu and SSF in the middle. i dont know about those two im kinda neutral.

some reason i had alko above those two. do we know if alko is telling the truth about his immunity?

[rajrhcpfreak]

The fact that we are in a very likely lylo situation means that since scum did not hammer, either SSF is scum or I am. Take your pick.

very wifom

since the game has alot of variables that we currently dont understand like the movement of money and daylynch immunities. i wouldnt be surprised that the scum is playing it safe. i wont go into the multiple other scenarios.

but if we are going by that logic then i think i would have to agree with locke's.

after KoC's claim, it would explain why he is lower than me on the ranking in the family. now i dont know if hes telling the truth but i currently want to buy it.

so that moves me back to the kai-ssf debate. ive said multiple times before about SSF's, or any day lynch immunity, that i think that one of them has to be scum. but according to locke we must lynch kai.

thats my current train of thought.
now i think we need to hear claims from SSF/kai if they are really the top two suspects.

ps: mass claim. it would be helpful if we are in LoL. but i dont know if we are just yet with the different rules. i hope that we arn't. but if the majority thinks that we are and that we need a mass claim i would of course support it.

[rajrhcpfreak]

thanks for reminding me. let me think it over...

[rajrhcpfreak]

sorry it was the end of my spring break and i have a test tomorrow. but lets try to answer the questions that you all asked.

first im not reading too much into the 20$ difference in KoC's money situation.

N1: $3,000 in profit tonight. Your total profit is $3,000
N2: $5,650 in profit tonight. Your earnings so far total to $8,650
N3: $3,400 in profit tonight. Your earnings so far total to $12,050
N4: $5,200 in profit tonight. Your earnings so far total to $17,250
N5: $5,200 in profit tonight. Your earnings so far total to $22,450
N6: $15,380 in profit tonight. Your earnings so far total to $37,830 (job 1)
N7: $26,330 in profit tonight. Your earnings so far total to $64,160 (job 3)
N8: $21,680 in profit tonight. Your earnings so far total to $85,840 (job 3)

Raj & KoC, what are your crews and who are your capos?

Aprile Crew. Paulie Gualtieri is my Capo.

I will ask Raj.
Oh Raj on day 1 why did you pick the job you did?

i thought i should try to take the job with the most money. but it didnt happen.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Raj & KoC, what are your crews and who are your capos?

Aprile Crew. Paulie Gualtieri is my Capo.

I need to understand something. Can someone please explain just one thing.

If Al, who claims that Kise was in charge and he became Capo, would a player know their capo changed to someone else?

I'm saying no. Al wasn't Capo according to his own claim till after kise died how did Raj get Al as his Capo?

I never noticed until farside brought this up. Raj, I became capo of the Aprile crew

because

Ralphie died and the crew ran out of members. How could you possibly be in that crew if all the crew members are dead? It's impossible.

Vote: Raj

i was moved to the crew mid-game. i dont know why i was just told that i was moved there. and dont you think that tony would have moved men into your crew, i dont think that you would have been just a crew of one.

SFF: are we doing a mass claim? if we are i missed it. and where was i asked to claim, i thought i was just to claim my jobs/actions/money.

[rajrhcpfreak]

my original crew was Gervasi Crew, capo was Carlo Gervasi

[rajrhcpfreak]

SFF, go and read locke's posts. he was asking for my night action claims.
the reason i dont want to claim... not really a reason, im just not wanting to give up my info unless i have to and since there wasnt a mass claim and i havnt been on the block, i didnt see the need to.

[rajrhcpfreak]

clear reasoning here.

ive always been suspicious of zwet, but farside has been playing much better.
SFF as of lately has been suspicious to me, and hasnt helped himself is the past couple of days.

unfortunately we are trusting alko. because he might be the swing vote here and that means we better hope that hes not scum. unless we can get a majority without alko. but thats highly unlikely with the amount of scum we are predicting still in the game.

[rajrhcpfreak]

that means one player that is town/survivor to vote with the scum loses it for the town.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i think so. i usually tend to think that mods arn't bastards or put out red herrings. thats just me.
but it doesnt matter. all 4 non scum players need to be on the same page.

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: SFF

ive said since the beginning that there is too many lynch immune people in this game and it was suspicious.
it took me a while to decide between farside and SFF. but in the end the biggest thing against farside was zwet.

and im confident that alko is one of his scum buddies. blatant busing earlier.

[rajrhcpfreak]

$20,400 in profit
$106,240 total

finally we have day.

im pretty confident that KoC is our scum.
its just not adding up with his earnings and the "missing actions"

vote: Knight of Cydonia

[rajrhcpfreak]

In retrospect, I should have lifted the lowest earner mechanic when we reached 6-7 alive, but it was too late to do it mid-game.

yeah i was worried about that. i was afraid that if we quick lynched KoC yesterday that eventually i would have been lowest earner and my cover completely blown. looking back it doesnt look like it mattered.

Well, isn't that just the most annoying thing in the world. A scum quicklynch before I even get to see the topic. Totally forgot about the lowest earner mechanic still being in play. I was eagerly waiting to see who got killed. Kai and KoC were the scummier players so I think the Kai kill would have made me look much harder at Raj. Pretty gutted that we lost a ten-month game without getting a chance to save it even after correctly lynching SSF yesterday, but town probably deserved to lose based on the amount of lurking and lazy play that went on. Well played scum, SSF and Al I was pretty confident about but I really wasn't seeing Raj on the team.

again it was my fault on the SSF lynch and causing this game to last ANOTHER NIGHT (week 1/2).

to the mod, i actually enjoyed the game. it was long and in the end very tedious. but worth it to finish a 10 month game, even better when it was a 10 month game that you won.

i think one thing that helped us was the activity of the scum. except inhim, we were all on the same page and posting pretty often. so thank you alko and SSF for helping me obtain a 100% win percentage in 2009. and a little bit to inhim since he regularly attacked me to throw some people off.

lastly. my stupidity. when i found out that the mod wasnt taking my night choices in the pre assigned scum thread, i thought i was screwed. luckily i was able to get the town to buy my excuse and let me live. so much so that alot of you didnt see me as scum.