The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[zwetschenwasser]

Hi, I'm replacing into this game.

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Aw, cmon. Aren't you happy to see me?

[zwetschenwasser]

You can do that? *begins to reread frantically*

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Take Icecream

Is this how it works?

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This is the most annoying game to reread, but I'm done. I'm getting major scum vibes from Sironigous.

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My conclusion is largely meta-based. Siro has a pattern of nervous inconsistency and silly avoidable mistakes as scum. Also note that he sucked up to town with his fake votecount "assistance". He's trying too hard to make a good impression.

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Hohum, what's wrong with meta?

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Isn't it only burning his hands?

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That sounds like the type of stupid question i've seen Zwet make as scum..

But yeh, apart from the fact I don't think he's a good lynch anyway, based on that alone we shouldn't be lynching him.

I hadn't realised we were this close to deadline, we really need to get something together.

Naomi is the only current wagon I feel happy with atm.

There are some others I can support - Amished seems to have disappeared, and I wasn't liking what he was saying about the items.

How the hell is it a stupid question?

[zwetschenwasser]

How many votes to lynch?

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Vote: Naomi_Saotome

L-1 gogogo!

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No, L-1.

[zwetschenwasser]

Huh?

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Unvote

This is badbadbadbadbad...

[zwetschenwasser]

What are your powers if you are indeed Trilby?

I will give more only if more requests are made

HURRY UP AND TELL US WHAT YOU CAN DO! We've only got a day until deadline!

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What is scummy about steph?

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This looks like a no lynch, but I'll do my part.

Unvote; Vote: Stephoscope

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I think Lamont will be able to shoot someone with a bullet of fire... :-0

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*smiles at Lamont's fakeclaim*

[zwetschenwasser]

Don't type the font in your tag.

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Why are we voting in blue?

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How the heck is Ami's claim not believable?

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yes, keep going...

Spoiler Alert:

You're probably scum

Sigh. Rock's logic leaves me speechless at his complete ignorance of what's going on in the game.

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AHAHAHAHA!!! Caught fakeclaiming scum ftw!

Unvote; Vote: Naomi

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Isn't it obvious?

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er... Based on something new or when she first claimed?

I don't see anything that changed from that point.

Did you read her first post of day two? It's the most damning thing ever written on the face of the earth.

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Ami's new addition to his claim is confusing me...

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That was your original claim?

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To hell with it. We can always benefit from Naomi through her result, which will give us info one way or another, even if we lynch her later.

Aside from the awful, awful way Setael "answered" devistation's question, that was one helluva gaffe about the RB, she's gonna have to explain this one...

Unvote, Vote: Setael

You're giving up that easily?

[zwetschenwasser]

What the heck?

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I honestly don't see anything scummy in Lamont's gambit.

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I think we need a Naomi lynch.

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Vote: Sironigous

He needs to die as well.

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AHAHAHahA

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I think it's pretty obvious that our flavor names are only flavor, Siro.

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There are very few powerroles in this game...

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I think it's pretty obvious that our flavor names are only flavor, Siro.

Well of course!

I felt like adding that anyway.

To make your mafia fakeclaim more believable?

[zwetschenwasser]

YOU SAID HOHUM AGAIN!!!!

Unvote; Vote: Sironigous

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Vig Vote:Zwets

I don't like how you both want Sironi and Naomi dead for their claims only. Which both aren't scummy and haven't been counter claimed.

I'm definitely not voting Siro for his claim.

[zwetschenwasser]

That you've been signing for other games.

Interesting way to twist tajo's nulltell...

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What? That has nothing to do with the fact that he's been gunning for me before anyone really knew anything about me, he's been popping in only often enough to look like he's contributing to the game and then he disappears again...

Well, until there's a counterclaim, or until I'm confirmed in my role, there's no real way to know, now is there?

This is perfect. The typical caught scum claiming that any attack, well-founded or not, on him/her is crap and fluff posting.

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Trilby ends up being more of a puppet then anything, as I believe was mentioned already... perhaps there is another cop role out there, one yet to be confirmed?

Trilby is constantly being guided simply by luck, he's lucky to end up in Chzo manor, and lucky to find the culprit at the end of the game...

And you're an expert at the game. This is a cinch...

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Hmm. Also - what effect would it have on a bad guy? Is there anyone here familiar with the flavour? I've only played

5

days a stranger

, and that was a while ago.

Yes and that is the game with the

Manor

. The Mod was very particular to point out that was the manor we are in.

Now since Trilby is the central character and the game is called FIVE days a stranger HOW IN THE WORLD does it make ANY sense for Trilby to be a one-shot cop!??

I mean the game isn't called ONE Day a Stranger!!!

I endorse the above product.

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Why is Naomi still alive? He hasn't provided even a fragment of good defense against the accusations on him.

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Huh?

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Lamont's post 1517 reads VERY much like he knows I'm town. And yet his vig vote is on me. And why, exactly? Hiding behind poor reasons made by others that never held water in the first place. The only reason he escaped a lynch yesterday was lying to the town. I think he's scum.

unvote, vote: Lamont

vig vote: Lamont

if I'm vigged today, please take a closer look at Lamont. Just because he got a day vig item does not make him town.

OMGUS ALERT! DINGDINGDING

[zwetschenwasser]

It's not the entire case, but the fact that Satael has no basis for casting suspicion on Lamont only strengthens the case against him.

Unvote; Vig Vote: Setael

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I mean

UN VIG VOTE

not actually unvoting.

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I agree with the cynic, actually.

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YAY! Tajo's back!

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@Zwet and Devestation and anyone else who accused me of OMGUS:

You need to look up the definition of OMGUS. I have good reason to be suspicious of lamont. Just because everyone is ignoring my points on him does not make them go away.

In less words for those of you who seem to ignore my entire posts: Lamont is seeking town points for doing something he would do whether he were town or scum.

Any townies on my vig wagon please reread today's posts. You either haven't been reading carefully or you're misunderstanding something.

That's the problem. I read your case. It's complete bullshit.

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^this

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Yes, but that means I'm going to have to join a wagon, for the sake of progress. I'm not happy about having to do so, but I'm not interested in voting for someone and having my vote wasted I'm here to help the town, not hinder it... Keeping my vote the way it was would be a complete waste.

With that being said:

Vig-vote: Devastation

Opportunistic! You know Setael is scum...

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^jumpy response, eg: "OMGOMGOMG HE CALLED ME OUT ON SOMETHING MUST MAKE UP CASE QUICK!!!!"

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I am about ready to lynch tajo after his read of me, for blatant lying in his conclusion.

Conclusion: zwet so far has been normal zwet. I dont get that paranoid and stressed vibe I got when we were scum in LAL. Has some townie motivation in their posts but also some of his cases against his suspects are weak. Overall, a null zwet with a gutty townie read.

He says that he has a gut town read on me because of my behavior in LAL mafia, when in fact my extreme "paranoid and stressed vibe" in that game was fabricated as a ploy to make tajo look town by bussing me, which was discussed and agreed upon in the quicktopic. Therefore, tajo is lying about me (especially since he has much more meta of me than just in LAL) for who knows what reason to make me look more town than I already am.

Unvote; Vote: populartajo

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Heck yes we planned that paranoid play. I also said your name on purpose.

[zwetschenwasser]

ATTN ALL: I will be V/LA for approximately a month beginning this Sunday. However, I will be posting regularly for one and a half weeks of that month. If you feel a need for me to be replaced, please do so, but I would like to stay in my games. Thanks

This is acceptable, but for future reference, anything longer than this is a no-no.

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tajo, go ahead and show the qt, because my antics were intentionally meant to get me lynched, and you even proposed the idea of me being insanely scummy early on in the game.

[zwetschenwasser]

Hi

(Sorry Tajo... This will likely be your third game in which you are stuck with me >.< I''ll try to behave during my read and analysis)

I LOVE YOU!!!

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Deadline is tomorrow and I'm not changing my vote.

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Lamont: To be honest, I'm too tired to look back at Dev's play now so I've only got the fuzzy impression that he wasn't contributing much, but I can hope that if he's town, he'll contribute more in the future. At minimum, being this close to a dayvig should serve as motivation.

I don't mind adjusting the deadline, but I would point out we haven't talked much about who to lynch and Day 2 ends in 13 days.

I agree with all of this post.

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YES OF COURSE SETAEL AND NAOMI ARE SCUM!!! I can't believe that they're still manipulating all of you with smooth talk.

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YES OF COURSE SETAEL AND NAOMI ARE SCUM!!! I can't believe that they're still manipulating all of you with smooth talk.

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Also, Zazie is a girl, dev.

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GRAAAH!!!!

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I think stepho should be vigged over dev.

^this, even though Naomi is scummier

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*appears*

Unvote; Vote: devestation

*leaves*

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm guessing that only another spirit could have killed Xtoxm.

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On a related note, my PM also says nothing about spirits, just evil in general.

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Take Matches

maybe the PM thing is over...

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I'm of the opinion that Stephoscope and Setael are the same alignment.

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And how about the opinion that Setael is a better fake-claimer than you are?

when did I fakeclaim?
I don't have the doll.

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Sironigous seems to have disappeared from the site.

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Then...setael and steph are both scum.

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steph is putting too much emphasis on clearing setael by his own investigation and nothing about actual towniness, and he's assuming that we're all forced to believe him.

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yes.

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steph is putting too much emphasis on clearing setael by his own investigation and nothing about actual towniness, and he's assuming that we're all forced to believe him.

I don't like this comment at all. I think this makes a stronger case that Set is scum & you too. How about that?

Um... I see no reasoning.

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@Everyone

Please state if you agree or not that the following rules show that there are only Innocents:

3. Innocents win if they destroy all Evil characters. The Evil characters win when they have a majority, and are deemed powerful enough to over-power any and all remaining factions.

The win cons are stated here. The mod has chosen to word it that Innocents win if they destroy all Evil characters. If there are town powerroles, then why would he have used Innocents and not Town or something like that?

13. There will be crazy shit, descriptions of unpleasant actions, and things you may well not understand at all in this game. It is not intended to be particularly fair, nice, or easy for the town/innocents. You may be required to actually think, instead of playing follow the *insert role/s here* Get used to it.

This rule says 'town/innocents'. To me, this seems that the town=innocents.


So if you disagree, say no. If you agree, say yes.
Only the claimed powerroles must state their reasons for their answers. After that, I want to hear it from the other players.

:-0

Unvote; Vote: Amished

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Actually, I'm seeing Amished more of a neutral alignment from the power he claims to have. Like one of tar's dreaming gods.

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Can innocent also be an overarching theme for all pro-town (like, well, pro-town in a normal mafia game)? Yes. You know why I ask that? It's because I win when threats to the

humans

have been destroyed. So far, the humans seem to be all innocent, as the only "scum" that's dead has been a spirit. By your own explanation, town = innocents, so substituting that into 3: Town wins if they destroy all Evil characters. Seems straightforward enough and says nothing about there being power roles or not.

This adds to my suspicion that he's neutral, not scum.

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Unvote

I'm suspicious that Lamont is still alive and going overboard defending steph. I'm seeing steph, lamont, and setael as scum.

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@Zwet

If you agree with my impressions of rules 3 and 13 that there are no powerroles, then why did you vote Amished and not Naomi or Stepho?
Will you vote Naomi and why?

Ami's seemed the most unrealistic. I will hammer Naomi.

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Vote: Naomi

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sigh

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With random evil drops, yes.

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I have no doll. Also, I think Zaz is right about scum possessing another player, but taking the kill flavor too literally. She took the rules too literally, at least.

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Also, I disagree with Zwet's opinion of Zazier's analysis. I think scum would disagree in the same way in fact...

Why?

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Sir, you are wrong.

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figures

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the latest one.

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Flavour of N3 shows that we have a new SK.
Based upon the games, it''s very likely the player who posesses the idol with the soul, which is very likely the doll that dropped D3.

During N2, Xtoxm died, who was the body of John DeFoe. Due to this, the bridge went open for 1/3. The other two are the spirit (contained in the idol) and the mind (contained in the manor) of John DeFoe.
When all three are destroyed, the bridge fully opens and some God can enter this world then (if I remember it correctly)


I think that I have covered everything in this summary.

Don't we want the god to come here so he can take the evil people back into his dimension and torture them for eternity?

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This dam dall is like a yak kill. SOMEBODY is no longer what they were.

precisely

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L-K is a better lynch than sir, because sir has a history of lurking.

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^this

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dramonic/L-K

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Unvote; Vote: Light-Kun

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vatz the votecoutz?

[zwetschenwasser]

Can we not have another no lynch today? Just saying.

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^town.

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innocent

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We don't even know that the god is even in this game.

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Because he's scummier than dramonic. His last post was full of indecision and nonsensicalness.

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I reclaimed. I'm pretty sure I claimed vanilla before the question.

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No, not nuff said. please elaborate.

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zaz has no good reasoning for calling me scum. btw, my computer is having issues.

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zaz has no good reasoning for calling me scum. btw, my computer is having issues.

I don't How do you know?

because you're calling me scum for claiming vanilla townie, which I don't find particularly damning.

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It was a random observation. Is there something wrong with not wanting a no lynch?

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You make no sense.

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Then why is he the one who asked if we can't do another no-lynch?

I'm going to take this as genuine confusion, not scumminess.

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You have the doll?

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So people who vote for you are scum? There are not 7 scum in this game. However, I would be hammering but I have a new theory. L-K is a jester. Rock's lurking, only posting meaningless shit looks exactly like a jester.

You've got to be kidding me.

Unvote; Vote; Pyromaniac

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I'd prefer to hammer L-K, but for now pyro is even worse.

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Unvote; Vote: Light-Kun

[zwetschenwasser]

I wanted to hamma...

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Growf!

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Give Doll to Light Kun

I don't like how Zaz's questions have progressively lost their insight and value.

[zwetschenwasser]

They're basic information questions. Not scumhunting ones. That's what bothers me.

[zwetschenwasser]

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Give Doll to Light Kun

I don't like how Zaz's questions have progressively lost their insight and value.

Examples?

The two questions you recently asked me.

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yes

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Now that we are talking about this again.

Zwet

, please rephrase what you were saying here:

Can we not have another no lynch today? Just saying.

I'm sick of the no lynches and I don't want another one.

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I know. But strange timing is not a scumtell.

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It's scummy speculation.

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So... I'm scum because of my opinions on the game.

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I'm seeing a simple bussing attempt between pyro and lamont.

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Unvote; Vote: Light-Kun

Too much fake logic in his last post.

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SSSH!!! It's a gambit.

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Great nonexistent case, Zaz. I don't want to answer your pointless questions.

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YES WE LYNCHED SOMEBODY

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Hey Lammont, you should also check who got cleared by the town PM.

I have checked in great detail.

Lammont, why are you not going to vote for Pyro?

Because I have gotten town vibes from him all game.

@Tajo:

Ftr, can we lynch Zwet now?

There's no way tajo could have changed your mind so quickly about your suspecting him for you two not to be scumbuddies.

Vote:Lamont_Cranston

[zwetschenwasser]

^wishy washy scum! This ties into his attempt at making himself appear town with the shell shenanigans.

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Lamont is also trying to ignore what I'm saying, assuming everyone will disregard what zwet says.