No, that wasn't me. My suspicions against him started due to his response towards Mastin as his behaviour was totally different in Open 145, in which he was town and Mastin scum.WeyounsLastClone wrote:I agree that your way of posting is a lot easier to cope with than someone posting a whole essay in just one post and using way too many quotes. But still when I see someone posting 4 or even more times in a row, I do wonder if all of it is really relevant, and maybe you should focus on one or two points you find important.ZazieR wrote:Because I have noticed that when I post multiple posts after each other, that they are better to understand and that players will look more closely at those, than the large posts I used to do.WLC wrote:Now that you mention it... Seriously, why would you post a lot of times in a row, when you notice lots of people complaining on catching up. Just don't mention every tidbit that pops up. That said, your posts and the questions you ask/remarks you make seem genuine, you're not too sure which could point out you're town. On the other side you're defending ZEE, and I have him as my main suspect at the moment.
Also, I don't see how you get the impression that I'm defending ZEEnon as he's one of my top suspicions.
As for defending ZEEnon, I thought it was you who said ZEEnon response to Mastin was quite natural. I may have confused you with someone else. Don't have much time now, hopefully I can check it later today.
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I haven't ignored it.Llama wrote:Next (and this is where you will see me start snapping soon) - People are ignoring what I have to say on myk. While this wouldnt get to me too much normally, its the people who wont shut up. This means my case gets drowned out, and people concentrate on others instead of who I want people looking at. Yes its a "me me me" thing, but when I get confident I get confident.
Seriously, just look at 952. Myk suspected Mastin of being third party, infact he was convinced of it. However he wouldnt vote him since first he was not sure that he had a note, and later that he claimed not to. So instead of voting third party (which hint hint does NOT share town win con), which theme sure suggests has a note, which he thinks doesnt have a note because WIFOM, how is he not dead? The only faction that for sure would want death notes in the game is pro-kira. Not lynching third party, even if all it does is remove a note from a game, is the right move.
However, I'm glad you pointed your case out. As I already said, I found this little gem in Magnus's posts:
So you ignored the times he posted this, when I pointed it out and when I stated my case against Magnus? That's interesting to see.magnus_orion wrote:What makes you suspect lamount?
What makes you suspect Lamount more than me?Odd, even if a player dislikes my playstyle due to their own, I'd think that if it's similar, they'd only begin to like it. (Unless they're of an opposite alignment)
I do happen to have an idea. I just don't have my normal level of conviction yet. If you didn't respond to the bits of my post rather than the post as a whole, you'd understand that.1: Death Note-->Scum.
So why are you not voting me?
2: Suspicions-->Accusations of a person being scum. This seems hypocritical with your earlier line of not knowing who the scum are at this point in time.
I suspect you are a shinigami who has a death note. This is because you talked about losing death notes being detrimental to the shinigami win condition, which I don't think you'd have thought that upon reading those rules.
I suspect lamont of being scum.
Neutral < scum
therefore I'm voting the scum one.
I'm refusing to give my reasons until I hear what lamont has to say about why he thinks I'm voting him. I theorize the reason he was extremely vague was because he didn't want to point out something different to give me additional evidence.Ignore the ''R''-
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On Myko:
-His thoughts of Mastin. He first said that Mastin seemed town in his first post. However, he later claims that he has always believed that Mastin was a shinigami without a Death Note.
-The obv scumslip Spolium had made, while Magnus did the same at the start, though only the scumclip of Spolium got pointed out. Even after quoting Magnus post, he didn't point this out.
-Spolium got immediatly voted after this slip. But Myko didn't vote Magnus right after and only voted Magnus because I kept asking why he didn't.
-Regarding the above, he voted Magnus with these words:
Before this, there was the moment in which he unvoted Magnus. These words were used:Myko wrote:but if it makes you happy: unvote vote Magnus, then I'll unvote in case needed tonight.
Bolded what I mean.Myko wrote:But if it makes you happy, I could unvote.
-According to him, the vig would give us information. When he said this, he mentioned a lot around of the Mastin wagon and case. Yet, he hasn't even said anything of it afterwards, except when Lamont brings Kise up.
-Magnus in one of his posts, criticises the Kise-wagon. The following post is from Myko, and only states that Magnus scored town points. Yet, he didn't address Magnus's points against the Kise-wagon, while being one of the voters.Ignore the ''R''-
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On ZEEnon:
-No Mastin vote, while he did vote him in Open 145. His reason was that Mastin didn't joke in this game about his claim, while he did so in the other game. However, looking at his first post in this game, he clearly joked about being scum. Yet, no vote.
-Another reason according to ZEEnon why he didn't vote, was because Kai pointed out that Mastin had done this before. However, the time between the posts from Kai and ZEE (as already pointed out) shows that this is very likely a lie, and the second quote he gives from Kai in which Kai states Mastin has done this before is after ZEEnon could have voted Mastin.
ZEEnon als says that nobody had stated in Open 145 that Mastin has done this before, which is not true.
-He claimed to have believed Mastin's shinigami claim. Yet, he didn't vote him.
-Later, Mastin states that he joked about being a shinigami. Again a joke, but once again no vote from ZEEnon.
-His switch from thinking that Mastin was a shinigami to town after Mastin got shot.Ignore the ''R''-
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Let Llama respond first. After that, I'll say why I find this scummy.mykonian wrote:
If a person doesn't buddy up to a town, and doesn't vote him, what is the big problem then? I don't yet know why zee didn't vote, but I know from my self I had a reason.ZazieR wrote:@Llama
See my case against ZEE. Another player who decided not to vote against a shinigami. Three players, yet you have only noted it from one player.
I want to hear your opinions from ZEE and Magnus.
and there was no scum-reason not to vote. So all you say is: I think you had to vote, and because you didn't you are scum. I don't think that is a good reasoning, even when you say your argument isn't heard by most people...
However, it's duly noted that you respond to my post about Llama before mentioning my post against you, and not saying this when I mentioned it in your case.Ignore the ''R''-
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That as it gives scum definitly the Death Note if their victim has one.Lamont_Cranston wrote:In this game, it is possible to obtain a Death Note in several ways. If a player possessing a Death Note is lynched, a random member of the lynch mob receives the Death Note. If a player possessing a Death Note is killed, the killer (if there are multiple killers, one is chosen at random) receives the Death Note.
Ok, so you're sayingOn ZEEnon:
-No Mastin vote, while he did vote him in Open 145. His reason was that Mastin didn't joke in this game about his claim, while he did so in the other game. However, looking at his first post in this game, he clearly joked about being scum. Yet, no vote.
-Another reason according to ZEEnon why he didn't vote, was because Kai pointed out that Mastin had done this before. However, the time between the posts from Kai and ZEE (as already pointed out) shows that this is very likely a lie, and the second quote he gives from Kai in which Kai states Mastin has done this before is after ZEEnon could have voted Mastin.
ZEEnon als says that nobody had stated in Open 145 that Mastin has done this before, which is not true.
-He claimed to have believed Mastin's shinigami claim. Yet, he didn't vote him.
-Later, Mastin states that he joked about being a shinigami. Again a joke, but once again no vote from ZEEnon.
-His switch from thinking that Mastin was a shinigami to town after Mastin got shot.scum would rather have a shinigami be NK'ed by the scum than lynched during the day?
That is an excellent scum tell.
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So, you don't think this should be counted against ZEE?LlamaFluff wrote:
I dont think zee ever said "I am convinced mastin is shin with/without a note". I also had a gut town read on him fairly early, and nothing has challenged that yet for me.ZazieR wrote:@Llama
See my case against ZEE. Another player who decided not to vote against a shinigami. Three players, yet you have only noted it from one player.
I want to hear your opinions from ZEE and Magnus.
MO seemed more convinced of Mastin telling the truth, which is a big point against him. I just missed that the first time through. This game is moving really fast for me and when I have about five hours a day from when I get back from work to when I go to sleep, its hard to keep up.
Either way I think myk has been much more blatant in the whole "Mastin is third party" debacle, so still like his lynch today.
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No, I find it just strange that it seems you don't have this against ZEEnon, while you're discussing this with Myko a lot, and even said this:LlamaFluff wrote:
he seemed to debate it for a few post but decided against it from what I see. If I am completely missing something though just quote it for meZazieR wrote:
So, you don't think this should be counted against ZEE?LlamaFluff wrote:
I dont think zee ever said "I am convinced mastin is shin with/without a note". I also had a gut town read on him fairly early, and nothing has challenged that yet for me.ZazieR wrote:@Llama
See my case against ZEE. Another player who decided not to vote against a shinigami. Three players, yet you have only noted it from one player.
I want to hear your opinions from ZEE and Magnus.
MO seemed more convinced of Mastin telling the truth, which is a big point against him. I just missed that the first time through. This game is moving really fast for me and when I have about five hours a day from when I get back from work to when I go to sleep, its hard to keep up.
Either way I think myk has been much more blatant in the whole "Mastin is third party" debacle, so still like his lynch today.
Be right back to this post further.Llama wrote:Well you are missing the fact that shin are THIRD PARTY. And you know know what you should do to third party? You lynch third party. You can never count on them playing to your win condition since they do not share it. They may play with town in an attempt to not be lynched, but if they have a win chance by working with scum do you really think they arent going to take it?Ignore the ''R''-
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No, because he claims that he voted Mastin in Open 145, because Mastin claimed scum and it seemed like a joke. Yet, Mastin also claimed scum in this game in a jokey way as shown in his first post, but ZEEnon didn't vote him for that.Lamont_Cranston wrote:
I have a question. Would this be a proper explanation of a difference between this game and Open 145?ZEEnon wrote:ZazieR, me voting him in Open 145 was just a joke because he claimed scum.
I interpreted his self vote in that game as a joke, and I voted him to fuel it.
Hisreactionto my vote was the problem.
He freaked out, posted a wall-of-text that I didn't bother to read, and then disappeared.
So, there was no difference to me.
Also, to make it more clear, ZEEnon was the one who disappeared after Mastin's wall-o text, not Mastin.
It hurts his defence.Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Also, does this help or actually hurt his defense?ZEEnon wrote:
Your case exists entirely of my varying reaction to Mastin's self-vote.ZazieR wrote:Case is there, based upon posts you've already made, so you don't have to worry that there's no case .
I already explained that Kairyuu alluded to the fact that this is a regular habit of Mastin's,
while in Polygamist Mafia nobody mentioned that. You can go see for yourself whether or not that is the truth.
He stated in a different post that he wasn't going to post. He wanted to comment on what he saw. Which means, he wasn't planning to vote Mastin. And he took his Mastin's scum claim serious as he even asked him questions about it. Yet, his reason for not voting Mastin is that Kai stated that Mastin does this all the time. I don't see why he would take Mastin's claim seriously, if he believed Kai with his statement. So I see here something in contrast.
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This, Mykomykonian wrote:I read this, and I didn't react. OMG how scummy...
here have your reaction. Half of the points were already answered/defended. But I guess some people read the thread not that precise.ZazieR wrote:On Myko:
-His thoughts of Mastin. He first said that Mastin seemed town in his first post. However, he later claims that he has always believed that Mastin was a shinigami without a Death Note.same point, couldn't see Mastin as scum doing this. Talked about this a lot, so I reacted
-The obv scumslip Spolium had made, while Magnus did the same at the start, though only the scumclip of Spolium got pointed out. Even after quoting Magnus post, he didn't point this out.I miss things, I try to keep up, but I make more mistakes.
-Spolium got immediatly voted after this slip. But Myko didn't vote Magnus right after and only voted Magnus because I kept asking why he didn't.because you were absolutely pushing me into it, while I knew I had unvoted him one time
-Regarding the above, he voted Magnus with these words:
Before this, there was the moment in which he unvoted Magnus. These words were used:Myko wrote:but if it makes you happy: unvote vote Magnus, then I'll unvote in case needed tonight.
Bolded what I mean.Myko wrote:But if it makes you happy, I could unvote.both times I feel I was forced out of what I wanted, once by llama, once by you
-According to him, the vig would give us information. When he said this, he mentioned a lot around of the Mastin wagon and case. Yet, he hasn't even said anything of it afterwards, except when Lamont brings Kise up.if I don't say anything about it, doesn't mean it isn't there. what a point...
-Magnus in one of his posts, criticises the Kise-wagon. The following post is from Myko, and only states that Magnus scored town points. Yet, he didn't address Magnus's points against the Kise-wagon, while being one of the voters.already explained, it was about the explanation of the rules. And why would you bring this up again?
1. The difference is that a town player will at least help to achieve our win condition if you're town, while this isn't the case for a shinigami. Think about it, the shinigami have once gotten a Death Note. Do you think they will help sooner those who want to destroy them, or those who want to keep them?
Also, you stated in your second post that he seemed town. Yet, after that post you are saying that you are thinking what his shinigami claim means.
Question: What do you think the win conditions will be from the shinigami's Ryuk, Rem and Shidoh? (yes, I know the names now )
2. Well, you missed ZEEnon apparently as well. And even when you did a re-read, you only asked why he tried to protect a player who he sees as a shinigami. Only in the case of Spolium, it was an obv scumslip.
In the case of Magnus it was even worse as you couldn't find it even after I quoted the post of him. And I just saw that you missed this post of Magnus during your re-read of the first few pages as well.
3. You are really wondering why I asked why you didn't vote Magnus for a reason that was a scumslip for Spolium that couldn't get more obvious?
4. Voting based upon players questioning why you aren't voting a player in order to make those players 'happy', means that you are paying attention what others think of you and that you don't want to be pressured.
5. Well, did you look at the Mastin wagon and what players thought about Mastin after he got killed?
6. Magnus said in that post that the Kise case looks fake. As one of the players who were voting against Kise for that reason, you didn't say anything about it, while you believed that that case wasn't fake. Magnus even added that scum were taken advantage of the Mastin-kill. So why did you not give reasons why the Kise case wasn't fake?
Also, actually looking at it, you gave Magnus town-points for that post. A post in which he calls you indirectly scum taken advantage. Thinking about this, it reminded me of the post in which Llama states that it gave him the willies that you called him town while he was attacking you, so I have to search for the post in which you stated this.
Says the one who missed that ZEEnon and Magnus did the same thing you accused Spolium off?Myko wrote:here have your reaction. Half of the points were already answered/defended. But I guess some people read the thread not that precise.Ignore the ''R''-
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I think he's scum for it. The only reason why I'm not voting him, is because I'm also suspicious of Myko and Magnus. Both Myko and ZEEnon haven't done anything to lessen my suspicions.Lamont_Cranston wrote:Ok so then we'vbe established that for some reason he haspurposelynot voted Mastin here and his excuses for not doing so are very poor and false.
This obviuosly looks bad, but what does it actually mean?
The statement from him, "I see why you are doing it and I'll trust your judgement even though I may not agree with it" needs to be explained.
@Zee:Please explain exactly what you meant by that statement.
As forMagnus, I'd like to see the links of all your completed games. There's one point bothering me a lot, which is why I've kept my vote on him, so I want to check if it's valid or not.Ignore the ''R''-
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Disregard the first part >.<Zaz wrote:6. Magnus said in that post that the Kise case looks fake. As one of the players who were voting against Kise for that reason, you didn't say anything about it, while you believed that that case wasn't fake. Magnus even added that scum were taken advantage of the Mastin-kill. So why did you not give reasons why the Kise case wasn't fake?
Also, actually looking at it, you gave Magnus town-points for that post. A post in which he calls you indirectly scum taken advantage. Thinking about this, it reminded me of the post in which Llama states that it gave him the willies that you called him town while he was attacking you, so I have to search for the post in which you stated this.
Due to Kise's post in which he adds something to my points I went back to said post in which he gave Magnus town points.
I thought it was a bad post as he didn't state in that post why he supported the Kise wagon (which is why I brought it up again), but it seemed that it was his last post of that day >.<
His next post does state why he supports the Kise wagon, so the first part isn't valid. Second part is still valid though.Ignore the ''R''-
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@Benmage
You didn't believe Zwet's claim, and you voted Zwet after ABR posted this which you even quoted in your post in which you vote Zwet:
Yet, Zwet has now given some answers regarding his claim, and it has been pointed out that the claim fits the flavour.ABR wrote:Vote: Zwet
No surprises here. I think we will be doing the scum a huge disfavor by lynching zwet no matter what his alignment.
So what do you think of his claim now?
And can you explain why ABR's post resulted in your vote? (if it didn't, what did?)Ignore the ''R''-
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Can you explain what you mean with the bolded?Myko wrote:It is nice people, but I'm not going to vote magnus. He is more likely town then other people. More active,positive way of thinking. Zee, and Seraphim, Phily and Benmage, were much worse.
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What about a ZEEnon or Magnus wagon?Lamont_Cranston wrote:Btw, unless something more convincing comes up besides the Myk wagon, I really think we should force ABR to post more. I think his Jester comment looks really suspicious towards a possible shinigami and he is actively lurking; it appears he is following along but only infrequently posting very short posts.
FoS ABR
Also, looking at your posts, you haven't addressed the Myko case at all. So what's your opinion of it?Ignore the ''R''-
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So which is it? Did you not see it, or did you want to wait to do good things afterwards?Myko wrote:@Kise:
1 hide behind zaz, sure... you say it is ingnoring, I say it is not seeing, and wanting to do things good afterward.
2.because esspecially zaz wouldn't take it with a reasonining that would take less then 5 min to make. I wanted to reread, something that wasn't offered, as zazie knew.
And no, you misunderstood. Sure you may reread, I only wanted to hear why you didn't vote Magnus when you voted Spolium for the same reason as it was such a scumslip that it couldn't get more obvious.Ignore the ''R''-
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Pro-Kira can be lynched and will die. Shinigami can also be lynched, in which they'll lose their Death Note if they have one, but will not die.zwetschenwasser wrote:
I'm not scared, but simply annoyed. Also, I thought scum couldn't be lynched in the first place...ZazieR wrote:
Are you scared to be lynched?zwetschenwasser wrote:Please tell me I'm not getting lynched.
I don't see why you should be as your claim fits Naomi Penber, who seems more likely to be anti-kira than something else, but I find it suspicious when players are scared of their lynch.
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No, you hadn't responded about that yet.Kai wrote:
Dunno if I responded to this, but the reason was that I could follow his logic and he seemed to make quite a bit of sense. That, combined with the fact that his motivations struck me as strongly pro-town, meant that I was confident in my read of him. Seems I was right though, just as I was right about zwet/hewitt, and Phily/Jazz in Polygamist.Zaz wrote:You probably also saw that I asked Kai why he thinks you're obv-town, not you. So let him answer.
(You're still a genius btw).
And the reason why I asked was because it reminded me of the 'WIFOM' I did in Open 145. I'd like to hear the difference between what I did in Open 145 and what Mastin did here.
Also, I've commented on that genius bit in that game. So the same goes for you, contact me through PM (though ABR will probably say that you shouldn't >.<), because it's not true as I already stated in that game.Ignore the ''R''-
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You also forgot ZEEnonLamont_Cranston wrote:
Yes, as I said my notes are not perfect and I knew it. I have noticed you've received some flak from a few people and I didn't understand why. For the same reason you thought Mastin was town, he needed to be gone.Kmd4390 wrote:
You forgot me. I didn't want to lynch Mastin because I didn't think he was scum.Lamont_Cranston wrote:The following people said we should not vote Mastin b/c it is useless or some derivation thereof:
Budja -- "its a waste if he's unkillable"
ABR -- "he's prob jester lets vote elsewhere"
Kise -- "doesn't like random note drop if he's lynched"
Those are three that I have in my notes. I feel I could find more if I looked harder...Ignore the ''R''-
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YES!!! So it's not my fault actually that I can't convince anybody. That's good to hearLamont wrote:1) English is not Myk's first language. I think this makes his points look a little weaker than they normally would be; his defenses have less of an impact, his attacks are less convincing.Ignore the ''R''-
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I know two town games of his by heart:Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Can you give me a link of one of his town games? If he plays better I will see it very easily...ortolan wrote:
That is his standard scum play from what I've seen, he plays a lot less like that as town. I've played with him in two games where he's been scum (one where he was scum with me) and one where he was town and I've seen another game where he was scum. I probably have a preponderance of scum data for him but I still get a somewhat scummy vibe from the way he's played this game.LC (1054) wrote:1) English is not Myk's first language. I think this makes his points look a little weaker than they normally would be; his defenses have less of an impact, his attacks are less convincing.
2) My read on him is as someone who is sincere but inexperienced. I don't get any malicious intent from his inconsistencies.
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I don't understand what you mean with B). Could you rephrase it?Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Ok so Zee is either:ZazieR wrote:
^^Why you forgot himZEEnon wrote:Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.
A) Making a genuine mistake early in the game
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B) Deliberately trying to obfuscate on how notes work
I think B isFAIL. Wouldn't it be too obvious?
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I'll look at all the other posts soon, but anyway, Mastin can't replace back in. We have a claim which is based upon his rolename. So if he would replace back in, we would have gotten information which we shouldn't have.
Or if he gets to be Shingami or pro-Kira when he replaces in, he can lie about it if needed.
But the mod has already responded, so it's not that important anymore.
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mykonian - 5 (LlamaFluff,cateraction, Spolium, ortolan, Kise)
zwetschenwasser - 3 (populartajo, Albert B. Rampage, Benmage)
ZEEnon - 3 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc, mykonian)
Gorrad - 2 (Kmd4390, MrBuddyLee)
Lamont_Cranston - 2 (magnus_orion, Kairyuu)
magnus_orion - 1 (ZazieR)
Kairyuu - 1 (Lamont_Cranston)
Not voting: zwetschenwasser, Jebus, Gorrad,semioldguy, Seraphim, Stephoscope, ZEEnon, Starbuck
There's nothing to worry about. Eraldo Coil is also me.
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A is not possible. ZEE knew that shinigami can''t be lynched and can''t be killed. This is stated in the rules. In that same rule, it''s mentioned that if a shinigami gets lynched or killed that he will lose his Death Note if he has one.Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Well he is obviously wrong when he says we shouldn't lynch Mastin because he is a shingami. There is a very good chance that he would have a death note.ZazieR wrote:
I don't understand what you mean with B). Could you rephrase it?Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Ok so Zee is either:ZazieR wrote:
^^Why you forgot himZEEnon wrote:Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.
A) Making a genuine mistake early in the game
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B) Deliberately trying to obfuscate on how notes work
I think B isFAIL. Wouldn't it be too obvious?
What arguments do you have for B?
So the question is, why doesn't Zee take this into account?
Its eitherA)he is just genuinely mistaken orB)he's trying to lead the town away from doing the right thing (lynching Mastin) so the scum can kill him and get the note.
My point on B is that wouldn't it be too obvious that is what he is doing?
Hmmm, well now that I think about it...
I can see where he could do this as scum and I really don't buy A. I do see your case here now.
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Does the bolded make him more likely to be scum? If so, why?Benmage wrote:ZazieR wrote:@Benmage
You didn't believe Zwet's claim, and you voted Zwet after ABR posted this which you even quoted in your post in which you vote Zwet:
Yet, Zwet has now given some answers regarding his claim, and it has been pointed out that the claim fits the flavour.ABR wrote:Vote: Zwet
No surprises here. I think we will be doing the scum a huge disfavor by lynching zwet no matter what his alignment.
So what do you think of his claim now?
And can you explain why ABR's post resulted in your vote? (if it didn't, what did?)I still disbelieve the claim, because I don’t see the logic behind making the initial claim. It was unnecessary imo.Although I don’t share the same animosity against zwet that ABR does, zwet isn’t exactly the best player in my book(and I know I can’t say much with my minimal input into this game, but this is how I feel)
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If ZEE never explains what he meant, I want to hear it from you what you think he meant. As I''m reading here and from the responses he has given that he believed Mastin''s claim.LlamaFluff wrote:
Unless you really can put more backing that he belived that he was what he claimed, and played as such, this isnt scummy. If anything this is more of an IIOA post. LC is misinterpreting it pretty badly. To me this is the same as saying 'zwet claims to be that guys wife'.ZazieR wrote:
^^Why you forgot himZEEnon wrote:Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.
If he said "Mastin claims to be shin and I believe it", we would be having a different discussion. I do not see anything that suggests this though.Ignore the ''R''-
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Thanks, will get to them asap.magnus_orion wrote:Here's the links requested from me:
viewtopic.php?t=10914&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0
viewtopic.php?t=10122&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0
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(Kai's meta on me comes from offline play.)
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Lamont_Cranston - 5 (magnus_orion, Kairyuu, Albert B. Rampage, Gorrad, MrBuddyLee)
ZEEnon - 5 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc, mykonian, Stephoscope, Lamont_Cranston)
Gorrad - 2 (Kmd4390, Starbuck)
zwetschenwasser - 1 (Benmage)
magnus_orion - 1 (ZazieR)
Jebus - 1 (zwetschenwasser)
Not voting: Jebus,semioldguy, Seraphim, ZEEnon
Then do Shinigami only eat apples?
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Scum. But why did you wanna know?Kise wrote:Was Mastin town or maf' in 145?
Because there are two types of Dutchies. Those who use the same words over and over again as they don''t know a different word for it (me) and those who have a large English vocabulary (Myko)Kise wrote:And if english isn't Myk's 1st language, then how does he know when to use big words like 'subjective'???Ignore the ''R''-
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I really hope that you''re not saying that we should only concentrate on those players, because if that''s the case, I''m so against it.Tajo wrote:I propose something. We have already some decent suspects. What about if we concentrate discussion in these suspects and finally decide a vote and start railing discussion/reactions and such.
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So instead of saying that you think he''s town for this and that reason, you state that he''s a jester? Why?Albert B. Rampage wrote:Well, Mastin claimed scum. Is this behavior not that of one who wishes to be strung up?
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Lamont, what have you to say about this?magnus_orion wrote:Screw it. If you guys are going to post anyway, Lamont, I demand you tell me why you were ignoring entire sections ofmy posts against you, and why you refuse to acknowledge that you did. You yourself agreed ignoring people was a scumtell, correct?Ignore the ''R''-
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Add this as well to the above post.Kairyuu wrote:We're lynching Lamont. That will happen. He's scummy as fuck, and is only suspecting me because I accused him of being scum, called Mastin town, and was right.
Also, note how he completely ignored my entire first catch-up post, when a large chunk of it was directed at him. Scummy McScumscum needs to die, and quickly too.
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Then ask what their opinions are of specific players, but don''t say that we should only focus on those players. Because if we''ll only focus on specific players, we''ll have to look back during later days.populartajo wrote:
Why are you so against it?ZazieR wrote:
I really hope that you''re not saying that we should only concentrate on those players, because if that''s the case, I''m so against it.Tajo wrote:I propose something. We have already some decent suspects. What about if we concentrate discussion in these suspects and finally decide a vote and start railing discussion/reactions and such.
So explain what you''re saying here.
I hate it when conversations starts going in one million tangents and we can get a consensus on at least a explicit point.
Trust me, in posterior stages of the game, if we concentrate discussion in explicit points, we'll know every player reaction/opinion to them.
At this point everyone is going wherever they like and I dont even know, for example, what does everyone think of myko.
See my point?
Let''s just say that during day 6, there will be 8 players left. Of those, only 2 of them got more attention than the others due to this approach. But at a point like this, it''s important that you also have information about the remaining 6 players. Due to your appraoch, players will have to look back. And I don''t think many want to look back if this game has 80+ posts.
That''s why I''m against, and rather have that you ask each player what their opinion is of a specific player. As long as we don''t focus all of our attention of a few specific players.Ignore the ''R''-
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Still no explanation why it would make him more likely to be scum. So do that.Benmage wrote:
YES omg you’re a genius you’ve done it! You’ve found the scum!ZazieR wrote: Does the bolded make him more likely to be scum? If so, why?
Why, are you worried it'll end up on a lurker? Because than we could just lynch that lurker?ZazieR wrote:
I''m against any lynches that are based upon that player being a lurker. Especially in this set-up, due to the rule of Death Note conveyance.Lamont wrote:Lurkers: Jebus, MBL, Seraph, Stepho
Scummy: Zee, Gorrad, ABR, Kai
I'm down with any of the above 8 until further notice.
As why I don''t agree with a lurker lynch, it''s because it''s an easy lynch. Both scum and town get rid of someone useless, but the scum get also an free lynch and therefore free NK''s if the lurker is town.
In this case it''s even worse due to the Death Note conveyance. Both scum and town can enter this wagon with easyness as it would be normal to lynch this player. This gives scum just an excuse to get a chance to receive a Death Note.Ignore the ''R''-
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I disagree.Lamont_Cranston wrote:Look its obvious to anyone who examines there posts that they are working in concert, they have made up their mind and its a personal thing with them. I accept that.
Once again, just to be clear, I'm not saying they are working together outside the game butinsidethey know each other as friends and are working on concert.
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How serious is this?Benmage wrote:
I do this..because i know i'm innocent so acting scummy means shit. But others who act scummy, well i don't know their allegiance so its a scum tell unfair aint it ...Kairyuu wrote: You cannot expect to get away with holding yourself to a different set of scumtells than those you apply to others.Ignore the ''R''-
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^^This is my opinion of what Tajo said.ZazieR wrote:
Then ask what their opinions are of specific players, but don''t say that we should only focus on those players. Because if we''ll only focus on specific players, we''ll have to look back during later days.populartajo wrote:
Why are you so against it?ZazieR wrote:
I really hope that you''re not saying that we should only concentrate on those players, because if that''s the case, I''m so against it.Tajo wrote:I propose something. We have already some decent suspects. What about if we concentrate discussion in these suspects and finally decide a vote and start railing discussion/reactions and such.
So explain what you''re saying here.
I hate it when conversations starts going in one million tangents and we can get a consensus on at least a explicit point.
Trust me, in posterior stages of the game, if we concentrate discussion in explicit points, we'll know every player reaction/opinion to them.
At this point everyone is going wherever they like and I dont even know, for example, what does everyone think of myko.
See my point?
Let''s just say that during day 6, there will be 8 players left. Of those, only 2 of them got more attention than the others due to this approach. But at a point like this, it''s important that you also have information about the remaining 6 players. Due to your appraoch, players will have to look back. And I don''t think many want to look back if this game has 80+ posts.
That''s why I''m against, and rather have that you ask each player what their opinion is of a specific player. As long as we don''t focus all of our attention of a few specific players.Ignore the ''R''-
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Noted.Benmage wrote:
Very, just like answering bolded parts that reference me being scummy.ZazieR wrote:
How serious is this?Benmage wrote:
I do this..because i know i'm innocent so acting scummy means shit. But others who act scummy, well i don't know their allegiance so its a scum tell unfair aint it ...Kairyuu wrote: You cannot expect to get away with holding yourself to a different set of scumtells than those you apply to others.
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Do you actually think he''s scummy?Stephoscope wrote:
I'm placing my vote for ZEEnon, because I have townreads on WeyounsLastClone and PhilyEc, and like their cases.WeyounsLastClone wrote:That, and I think that everyone currently not voting should place the vote at their main suspect (preferably ZEEnon, but Lamont or ABR would be fine too).
Vote: ZEEnon
And no, PhilyEc, I wasn't implying a townread on ZEE in 662. Just scumhunting.
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Here''s the whole post.ZazieR wrote:
Does the bolded make him more likely to be scum? If so, why?Benmage wrote:ZazieR wrote:@Benmage
You didn't believe Zwet's claim, and you voted Zwet after ABR posted this which you even quoted in your post in which you vote Zwet:
Yet, Zwet has now given some answers regarding his claim, and it has been pointed out that the claim fits the flavour.ABR wrote:Vote: Zwet
No surprises here. I think we will be doing the scum a huge disfavor by lynching zwet no matter what his alignment.
So what do you think of his claim now?
And can you explain why ABR's post resulted in your vote? (if it didn't, what did?)I still disbelieve the claim, because I don’t see the logic behind making the initial claim. It was unnecessary imo.Although I don’t share the same animosity against zwet that ABR does, zwet isn’t exactly the best player in my book(and I know I can’t say much with my minimal input into this game, but this is how I feel)
So yeah, those two reasons are why I voted.
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I did:Orto wrote:Also, I'm not sure ZazieR ever explained what the reference to Open 145 in Post 131 was in aid of. ZazieR what was your reason for voting for zEEnon around that time, I never quite understood?Zaz wrote:-No Mastin vote, while he did vote him in Open 145. His reason was that Mastin didn't joke in this game about his claim, while he did so in the other game. However, looking at his first post in this game, he clearly joked about being scum. Yet, no vote.Ignore the ''R''-
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