Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[populartajo]

im back reading all I missed.

post tomorrowf

[populartajo]

YOU GUYS ARE FREAKING CRAZY. 23 PAGES????? RELAX PEOPLE!

Oh I see. Mastin and Zazie.

Ok, here are some thoughts.

ortolan -> feels neutral, slightly townie, like some of his contributions but as usual dislike some of his thinkings.
zwetschenwasser -> zwet is lurking too much for my taste. I thought he would be the guilty of this thread going crazy but he is not, so

FOS

. Dont like his case against Mastin.
cateraction -> who?

Prod.

Kairyuu -> Mastin supporter. At first glance, townie, what made you so sure Mastin was obvtown?
mykonian -> Hate the majority of his play so far. His attack on Spolium makes me reconsider some. But still his answers to Fluff are terrible,

FOS.

Kmd4390 -> Gut tells me Kevin is antitown in this game. Will hunt for quotes to back up this feeling. I think it was his first post where he attacks Benmage for dodging the theme when he was doing the same. Tempting vote.

FOS

Benmage -> Weak poster but I dont get the amount of hate he is getting from KMD. What do you think of KMD, Ben?
ZazieR -> Obvtown.
magnus_orion -> Feels townie. Like some of his behavior early on the day. Who is accusing him?
Jebus -> who?

Prod.

populartajo -> Love this guy. <3
Budja -> dont remember him from my reread. Will need to check him again.
Gorrad -> who?

Prod.

Albert B. Rampage -> active lurking. has a good idea of what is going on the game but comments only on some things.

FOS-

Starbuck -> Nothing remarkable here. Do you think Lammont is town, Star?
semioldguy -> like some of his contributions. neutral, slightly townie.
Kise -> ok here is my problem with Kise. He seems to think Lammont is town, even though he was the big supporter of vigging Mastin. I hate this Kise-Lammont relationship and I think Im into something here.

FOS

Seraphim -> who?
Stephoscope -> I get an overal townie feeling of Steph. "I am getting the vibe of a bunch of townies all accusing one another" feels townie.
ZEEnon -> Mastin supporter. So far and barring some weak play, I feel this guy is neutral slightly townie.
PhilyEc -> Nothing remarkable here. Like some of his contributions.
Spolium -> Feeling townie here. Could need a reread since I dont remember much oif what he said.
LlamaFluff -> starts the game concentrating on myko which is a decent start. Would be good to hear more of what he thinks of other developments of the game.
WeyounsLastClone -> Why were your top suspects Mastin and Lammont? Did you think both were scum?
Lamont_Cranston -> top contributer of the I hate Mastin group. Feels townie for contribution levels but why exactly did you think Mastin was scum? Did you even think that? I totally hate his Kise swithc that goes to wanting him dead to even defend him.

FOS

Also, for the record, Mastin was so obvtown. Everyone that thought he was scum still has so much to learn.

So far I dislike zwet, myko, KMD, ABR, Kise, Lamont. Will reread these more carefully. For now,

Vote: Kise.

until he explains why he thinks Lammont is town and not scum pushing against Mastin that was obvtown to him.

Also, why is the majority not voting?

FOS people not voting.

[populartajo]

Tajo, Lamont already backed off from Kise based on meta, and taking Kise's defence. You must have missed it. Kise also knows he was wrong, as the mod explained the rules.

Thats exactly my point. He knew Kise meta when he attacked him, or am I missing something here?

[populartajo]

Blerg, myko, Id prefer if Lammont and Kise answer this stuff:

Lammont: Think carefully and tell me:

a)Why did you attack Kise first?

b)What made you change your mind about him?

Kise: Think carefully and tell me:

a)What do you think of Lammont?

b)Why do you think he is town failing at scumhunting rather than scum pushing a case against you?

[populartajo]

You can have a thousand posts but still be a weak poster.

True story.

[populartajo]

What do you think of KMD, Ben?

He is just jealous.

Jealous of what?
Also if there arent any glaring scum, maybe you are not scumhunting, Ben. You dont have any suspects?

[populartajo]

So zwet any reason why you suspected Mastin then?

Did he know about you?

[populartajo]

Unvote Vote: zwet.

[populartajo]

Kise, please point me to your questions. Im in the office so I cant spend much time searching for it.

As for my zwet vote, I dont think it needs an explanation. Zwet WASNT playing his town meta until Mastin died. Then he claimed something that made some sense but when asked about more details (like why did he attack Mastin early?) he then said he fakeclaimed.

[populartajo]

FYI, I was a one sided lover with Mastin, though I only knew his rolename, not his identity. Because of his death I have gained the power to track people at night.

People were speculating as to whether or not mastin was a tracker. I'm confirming he was

Nobody believed my fakeclaim...

This resoning progress doesnt feel right. In the first two posts, zwet is pretty much sure of his claim. But when asked, he quickly backs it off. Now, if he fakeclaimed he did it for a reason (Medieval Mafia is an example of this) but which is the reason here when he backs it off when he gets a little pressure_? It just doesnt feel zwettown.

[populartajo]

First question

populartajo, why do you think that I should have automatically found L_C as scum just because I thought Mastin was obv-town?

I never said automatically but you posted this:

HOWEVER, because scum believe you are an easy D1 lynch, I've started to keep my eye on who's jumping on your wagon and try to make sense of their reason for voting you (if possible). They are likely the best candidates when it comes to making a suspect/scum list.

I agree that this is far from thinking they are obv scum but it just doesnt fit with how you are so quick to call Lammont town.

Tell me something, Lamont: If your scumhunting methods are so perfect, then how come we find out that Mastin, your previous suspect, was in fact townie? To me, this implies you have a few cracks in your SH'ing technique. Get off the computer for a second to refocus your eyes; they have failed you TWICE now this week.

This quote implying that Lammont is townie failing at scumhunting rather than scum pushing a mislynch.

Second question

So it's okay for Steph to believe that both Mastin & L_C were townies, but I get your vote when I say I think the two of them are town?

First of all, Steph said this:

"I am getting the vibe of a bunch of townies all accusing one another"

This is far from saying that Lammont and Mastin were townies.
And why I think you are suspect please see above (first question).

[populartajo]

This resoning progress doesnt feel right. In the first two posts, zwet is pretty much sure of his claim. But when asked, he quickly backs it off. Now, if he fakeclaimed he did it for a reason (Medieval Mafia is an example of this) but which is the reason here when he backs it off when he gets a little pressure_? It just doesnt feel zwettown.

You mean Medieval where he said he was looking for reactions and never said what he took from the reactions?

IIRC, zwet thought TSQ was scum for his reactions to his fakeclaim. He wasnt that wrong.

[populartajo]

Zwet, didnt Medieval teach you anything about fakeclaiming?

[populartajo]

omg awesome.

[populartajo]

Mod: I will be V/LA from tomorrow until next Saturday, Sunday-ish.

I know I haven't been doing much lately...but frankly, that's not completely my fault. You guys are making pages at the rate rabbits make children. Not to say that you posting is like having sex...um...

I should shut up now.

seraph was in this game?

[populartajo]

He could've/should've known people would attack him on this [...] and it increases my suspicion on Gorrad.

I'm afraid I don't see how these two clauses work together.

You come up with a bad idea, hence it increases my suspicion of you. That's about it.

i really dont see anything wrong with someone that comes up with a bad idea but his real motive is prob trying to break the game.

[populartajo]

Fakeclaiming in medieval helped town to win by nabbing TSQ. So I don't think that was a good anti-fakeclaim example.

The vig shoot you, zwet.

Fakeclaiming in that game and how you ended should have taught you that fakeclaiming:

a) Is inherently suspicious and some people will lynch/vig you sooner or later regardless of alignment. Did you read the reasons camn gave you for vigging you?

b) It confuses town and it muds discussion.

c) You said that your fakeclaim helped town to win. But I dont think it helped it in the way you think. Rogueben (TSQ replacement) wasnt lynched for the reactions to your fakeclaim.

Why the hell did you fakeclaim here and even worse, why the hell did you admit you fakeclaimed here when you hadnt got any reaction of it? Or did you?

[populartajo]

I can see gorrad, seems to be a lurker.

I'm trying to keep up with this game, and failing miserably. Give me a bit.

This.

Everytime I check this game there is like 4-5 new pages. Guys, STOP posting when you dont have anything important to say.

Im starting to realize how annoying can multiposting be. Zazier and others please stop.

I propose something. We have already some decent suspects. What about if we concentrate discussion in these suspects and finally decide a vote and start railing discussion/reactions and such. Really, there are big odds of finding scum in the people not voting at this stage of the game.

mykonian - 5 (LlamaFluff, cateraction, Spolium, ortolan, Kise)
zwetschenwasser - 3 (populartajo, Albert B. Rampage, Benmage)
ZEEnon - 2 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc)
Gorrad - 2 (Kmd4390, MrBuddyLee)
Lamont_Cranston - 2 (magnus_orion, Kairyuu)


Not voting: zwetschenwasser, Kairyuu, Jebus, Gorrad, semioldguy, Seraphim, Stephoscope, ZEEnon, Starbuck, mykonian

Ill comment on these five when I have more time. Prob tomorrow. Just thought I would let you know my proposition.

[populartajo]

I need catching up.

Just a few thoughts:

As I stated some pages ago, Gorrad action are generally at least null since I dont see blatant scum motivation in his actions. IMO, he is slightly town since it shows efforts of at least trying to break the game.

The myko wagon is more decent and I think its pretty optymal in d1 lynch terms. There are some answers to Fluff some pages ago that feel terribly bad. He improves somehow as the game progresses but again his attacks are weak (like his Spolium attacks)

Is there anything else I missed?

Oh yeah, I dont think zwet is obvtown as some have stated. I have played with him and my gut tells me this is not the normal zwettown we know and love.

[populartajo]

Bleh we need this game move somewhere:

Unvote vote : mykonian

[populartajo]

This game needs moar wagons.

Too much talking and not enough voting.

Phyliec you are voting who?

[populartajo]

I dont remember anyhing so damning from Zeenon. In fact, my first read of him is newbie townie.

What is the case against him?

[populartajo]

Vote Zeenon

Good vote, but why are you voting him?

Your case + Zee's reaction to me suspecting him + Wes's points = Reason for voting Zee.

^That

Can you be more concise? I mean, what in Zazie's case you liked and what in his reaction you hated.

I know you can.

And who is Wes?

Votecount
mykonian - 6 (LlamaFluff,

cateraction

, Spolium, ortolan, Kise, populartajo)
Lamont_Cranston - 5 (magnus_orion, Kairyuu, Albert B. Rampage, Gorrad, MrBuddyLee)
ZEEnon - 4 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc, mykonian, Stephoscope)
Gorrad - 3 (Kmd4390, Lamont_Cranston, Starbuck)
zwetschenwasser - 1 (Benmage)
magnus_orion - 1 (

ZazieR

)
Jebus - 1 (zwetschenwasser)
Not voting: Jebus,

semioldguy

, Seraphim, ZEEnon

We'll gave them use the notebook in an execution.

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[populartajo]

Vote Zeenon

Good vote, but why are you voting him?

Your case + Zee's reaction to me suspecting him + Wes's points = Reason for voting Zee.

^That

Can you be more concise? I mean, what in Zazie's case you liked and what in his reaction you hated.

I know you can.

And who is Wes?

I was kinda hoping you wouldnt make me go through...50 PAGES. I'll post something more concise on Wednesday T_T

I was kinda hoping you wouldnt make me go through that also.

It shouldnt be too hard. You had a reason why you agreed with Zazie voting and you had a reason why you disliked his reactions to your vote? You dont need to go through 50 pages.

Also who is Wes?

[populartajo]

I checked Zee posting and

Ok the case on Zee is that he knew Mastin was 3rd party

can you point me exactly where Zee points out that Mastin was 3rd party?

[populartajo]

I propose something. We have already some decent suspects. What about if we concentrate discussion in these suspects and finally decide a vote and start railing discussion/reactions and such.

I really hope that you''re not saying that we should only concentrate on those players, because if that''s the case, I''m so against it.
So explain what you''re saying here.

Why are you so against it?

I hate it when conversations starts going in one million tangents and we can get a consensus on at least a explicit point.

Trust me, in posterior stages of the game, if we concentrate discussion in explicit points, we'll know every player reaction/opinion to them.

At this point everyone is going wherever they like and I dont even know, for example, what does everyone think of myko.

See my point?

[populartajo]

Im sick and for that reason V/LA until tomorrow.

[populartajo]

Unvote Vote Zazier

His spamming posts of fluff is such a waste and a distraction. He's essentially mass defending all scum simply by distracting every other player.

Terrible.

Unvote Vote : Benmage.

[populartajo]

And to further explain my vote I may agree or disagree with some of her views of the game, but she is so obv town it hurts.

[populartajo]

Well popul, do you think i'm scum or not?

leaning scum for that terrible vote, i just dont find any protown motivation for voting Zazier.

do you think she is scum?

[populartajo]

Unvote vote : mykonian.

L-1.

Claim please.

This game needed this tons of pages ago.

[populartajo]

Zazi, what do you think of mykonian?

[populartajo]

Myko claim. Dayvig.

Meh, pondering it.

Myjo, why did you kill Mastin? Did you think at some point he could be town?

[populartajo]

That said he did repeatedly defend the vig after Mastin was killed.

Yeah, I also thought that when I skimmed myk posts. If this was an antitown move then I expect myko to avoid commenting of it.

Although I've seen myk pull off a good fake-claim before. I'm torn.

Links please. I thought myko was a relative newbie.

[populartajo]

I think Im about to win the thread.

Mykonian has to claim flavor and his rolename.

We know he can kill. Even if he disagrees, its likely he has a death note. Failing to provide reasonable flavor will end in a lynch.

If he isnt scum, then he doesnt have a death note and scum are equally likely to target him. That is if they dont decide to keep him alive for shenanigan reasons.

[populartajo]

/ignored.

[populartajo]

At night, you may anonymously give away your Death Note to any player. You may also choose to destroy it.

With a Death Note, you may kill once per night. You may choose whether to have the player die immediately or after a certain amount of posts, and in what way. If no specifications are given, the kill defaults to immediate and death of a heart attack.

If a human obtains a Death Note and he already has one, he must immediately give it away to a player of his choice.

The same rule applies to Shinigami; however, Shinigami wait until the end of the night to give it away.

Wow so many of our questions are answered right now! Grats to Llama on a tremendous catch!

Now we know death notes kill at night and it appears there are two in play right now?

Lammont, why are you congratulating Lllama?

[populartajo]

First name that comes to mind is Benmage. He voted Zazie out of dislike for her style, and considered her an annoyance.

Vote: Benmage

Quite early, but Zazie's death hints me to him having a hand in it. As for cat'... Not sure if he had much interaction with anyone. I'll re-read later.

I’m not gonna lie, if any town had to die I’m glad it’s her.

WTF? Dude, Zazier is obviously an antitown kill. Why are you glad that she died?

[populartajo]

Lamont, how sure are you percentage wise? I agree that ZEE is pretty scummy.

Why?

[populartajo]

Strangely enough, this list still feels kinda accurate. Im going to add some minor fixes.

ortolan -> feels neutral, slightly townie, like some of his contributions but as usual dislike some of his thinkings. Time for a iso.
zwetschenwasser -> zwet is lurking too much for my taste. I thought he would be the guilty of this thread going crazy but he is not. Didnt like his case against Mastin. His claim and fakeclaim and posterior fake fakeclaim are neutral in him.
cateraction -> who? --> doesnt matter dead rip.
Kairyuu -> Mastin supporter. Prob townie, and I love some of his comments today.
mykonian -> Hate the majority of his play so far. His attack on Spolium makes me reconsider some. But still his answers to Fluff are terrible --> One death note gone.
Kmd4390 -> Gut tells me Kevin is antitown in this game. Will hunt for quotes to back up this feeling. I think it was his first post where he attacks Benmage for dodging the theme when he was doing the same. Tempting vote. It has gotten better but still there is something I dislike, like his Zeenon hate.
Benmage -> Weak poster. Slightly townie vibe from his posts today.
ZazieR -> Obvtown. -->
magnus_orion -> Feels townie. Like some of his behavior early on the day. Still feels townie.
Jebus -> replaced by Vi. SLightly townie vibe.
populartajo -> Love this guy. <3 --> I still do.
Budja -> replaced by Buddy Lee. Neutral slightly scummy. has to post more.
Gorrad -> Has gotten better with his idea of breaking the game. I feel the protown motivation.
Albert B. Rampage -> replaced by Skrufffs. Needs to post more.Neutral.
Starbuck -> I dont remember much of Strabuck. Needs to post more.
semioldguy -> like some of his contributions. neutral, slightly townie. -> dead, rip.
Kise -> ok here is my problem with Kise. He seems to think Lammont is town, even though he was the big supporter of vigging Mastin. I hate this Kise-Lammont relationship and I think Im into something here. --> Still think this relationship smells bad.
Seraphim -> who?. Who is replacing Seraphim?
Stephoscope -> I get an overal slightly townie feeling of Steph. "I am getting the vibe of a bunch of townies all accusing one another" feels townie. Havent heard much of him in these last pages. Will need to reevaluate him.
ZEEnon -> Mastin supporter. So far and barring some weak play, I feel this guy is neutral slightly townie. And I still do.
PhilyEc -> Nothing remarkable here. Like some of his contributions. He got modkilled.
Spolium -> Feeling townie here. Could need a reread since I dont remember much oif what he said. Replaced by Thad.
LlamaFluff -> starts the game concentrating on myko which is a decent start. Would be good to hear more of what he thinks of other developments of the game. Paranoid senses tell me not to trust much in him but so far, his agression makes me think he is prob town.
WeyounsLastClone -> Lammont hater. Wuld be good to hear more of his reasoning.
Lamont_Cranston -> top contributer of the I hate Mastin group. I still totally hate his Kise swithc that goes to wanting him dead to even defend him. Will need to iso him to have a more solid opinion about him.

So, I still dislike Lammont, Kise, some aspects of zwet and kmd.

I like Fluff, Kairyuu, magnus. I dont like Zee but I think he is prob town.

Need to reread: steph, benmage, ortolan,

People that need to post more: Vi, Buddy Lee, Gorrad, Starbuck, WLC, Thad, Seraphim, SKruffs,

Vote : Lammont.

Let see where this goes.

Votecount
Stephoscope - 2 (LlamaFluff, Kmd4390)
Kise - 2 (MrBuddyLee, Benmage)
Lamont_Cranston - 2 (WeyounsLastClone, populartajo)
Starbuck - 1 (Vi)
Benmage - 1 (ZEEnon)
Not voting: ortolan, zwetschenwasser, Kairyuu, mykonian, magnus_orion, Gorrad, Skruffs, Starbuck, Kise, Seraphim, Stephoscope, ThAdmiral, Lamont_Cranston

No... They'll get the notebook.

With 24 alive, it's 11 to lynch.

[populartajo]

Sorry, I had a very busy and alcoholic weekend.

Ill post at night.

[populartajo]

I support the Lammont wagon.

Havent liked him since day 1 and his Mastin hate, still hasnt done anything that makes me think he is town. His MBL case is forced as hell.

Vote: Lammont.

Also magnus is obvtown as I suspected. I like so far Vi. I still hate some of KMD but its mostly gut. Fluff case against Steph feels good but I need to check some things first.

Will provide more opinions later.

[populartajo]

I need to catch up in this game.

Zwet: who the hell in his sane mind could have blocked you?

[populartajo]

Ugh, SSK claimed mailler.

SSK, last chance, are you really a miller?

Ill tell you what the approach is here: if he is scummy, lynch. If he isnt, we dont. Simple as that.

[populartajo]

@SSK - Why not flavor/role claim when you claimed miller?

This.

[populartajo]

Do you honestly think I would gambit? I suck at gambiting and never do so. When I have tried to do so in previous games, I get lynched immeadiately.

You sure lasted a while in Lynch All Lurkers.

Vote: MafiaSSK

How is this a reason to vote for SSK?

Specially you, since you were also in that game and you know that SSK was town and faked a PR?

[populartajo]

Do you honestly think I would gambit? I suck at gambiting and never do so. When I have tried to do so in previous games, I get lynched immeadiately.

You sure lasted a while in Lynch All Lurkers.

Vote: MafiaSSK

How is this a reason to vote for SSK?

Specially you, since you were also in that game and you know that SSK was town and faked a PR?

I'm disagreeing with what he claimed. I thought what he was doing in that game was quite risky, and yet he certainly wasn't lynched immediately.

Do you remember his alignment?

SSK, wtf is a random miller?

[populartajo]

Vote: SSK.

[populartajo]

Vote: SSK.

Why didnt you claim this from the beginning?

[populartajo]

Do you remember his alignment?

Of course, he was a pro-town mason like me. But I'm not sure I see any reason for his being duplicitous here unless he's scum.

Faking PR I still say is not a detriment to a town and is as thus not a gambit.

It was detrimental. I would have managed to mislynch you if you hadnt been a mason.

[populartajo]

Vote: SSK.

Why didnt you claim this from the beginning?

The random part?

Yeah.

[populartajo]

What doesn't fit is Aiber is supposed to be

helping

the cops? Does a miller with no power sound like a role that is helping the cops to you? Also Orto deliberately stalled in N0 and came in saying, "Whoops, I forgot".

His miller claim only halfway fits the flavor. That's why I'm still voting for him and am calling for the hammer.

Fine. I'll reveal the rest of the role. If L dies then I can talk to Near,Mello and Watari.

So now that your claim has been attacked for flavorless, do you come up with a reason to fit it with the flavor?

Also, did you even answer to the question I asked about why you didnt say it was random since the beginning?

--.---.---.-.-.-

Vi, please state cleary why you think SSK is telling the truth because Im not seeing it.

[populartajo]

/sad because Ive seen the anime but doesnt remember many things about the flavor.

Votecount
MafiaSSK - 8 (Benmage, Stephoscope, Gorrad, populartajo, LlamaFluff, Kairyuu. Starbuck)
Stephoscope -1 (magnus_orion)
Lamont - 1 (MrBuddyLee)
LlamaFluff - 1 (Zwetchenwasser)
MrBuddyLee - 1 (mykonian)
Starbuck - 1 (Vi)
Skruffs - 1 (WeyounsLastClone)
Thadmiral -1 (Kmd4390)
Not voting: MafiaSSK, Skruffs, Seraphim, Sir Tornado, ThAdmiral, Lamont_Cranston

I win.

With 20 alive, it's 11 to lynch.

[populartajo]

As usual, I had a very busy and alcoholic weekend. Ill post as soon as I get out of my office. Tonight.

[populartajo]

Ive skimmed some of this Steph discussion.

Guys, Steph claim sucks but it is provable, which make me thinks that Steph is prob what he claims to be but executed his claim in a poor way.

There are inconsitencies in his claim (as pointed out by Gorrad and Kay). The most damning is, IMO, the night actions procedure (How can he have investigated someone who wasnt in the discussion group?). Stephtown must have had a good reason to avoid fully claiming. However, the real way to prove his claim is the core of it: there is someone that knows whether Steph is telling or is not telling the truth. If Steph claim is true, then the number of people that can confirm him should increase tonight.

We should lynch the obvscum SSK.

[populartajo]

Im failing to see how Benmage just admitted being a Shinigami. Can someone, pref Kay, explain?

[populartajo]

@SSK - Im going to ramble a bit here, stop me when you no longer agree/follow. You claim miller, which is town aligned. You think Steph is scum since he has information that seems to contridict your role, and would like to see him lynched since you are 100% sure he is scum. You have said that we should lynch him if you flip town. Steph is not going to be lynched today, Ben is not going to be lynched today. You are the only highly feaseable player who can be lynched. Your lynch, in your mind, would mean that Steph will be lynched as scum tomorrow. Is any of this wrong?

No. And yes I think Ben is scum for reasons Kai posted

So then you are going to selfvote to prevent no lynch since its the most pro-town thing to do if you are miller?

Why is it pro-town?

Because it prevents no lynch?

[populartajo]

@SSK - Im going to ramble a bit here, stop me when you no longer agree/follow. You claim miller, which is town aligned. You think Steph is scum since he has information that seems to contridict your role, and would like to see him lynched since you are 100% sure he is scum. You have said that we should lynch him if you flip town. Steph is not going to be lynched today, Ben is not going to be lynched today. You are the only highly feaseable player who can be lynched. Your lynch, in your mind, would mean that Steph will be lynched as scum tomorrow. Is any of this wrong?

No. And yes I think Ben is scum for reasons Kai posted

So then you are going to selfvote to prevent no lynch since its the most pro-town thing to do if you are miller?

Why is it pro-town?

Because it prevents no lynch?

I like my reasoning better...

I do too.

[populartajo]

Mod, if Benmage had a Death Note, would it have just been destroyed and would we have been notified of this?

This.

Also, I dont like how modkilled people lose their original role. I think not revealing alignment hurts the town a little bit more than it hurts scum. The only exception is when the modkilled guy is scum. But hey, its the Mod's game.

[populartajo]

Very hard to get a consensus again.

But

Vote: SSK.

[populartajo]

Also, I dont like how modkilled people lose their original role. I think not revealing alignment hurts the town a little bit more than it hurts scum. The only exception is when the modkilled guy is scum. But hey, its the Mod's game.

That's not an exception. We can't look for connections. It definitely helps scum.

Btw, stop lynching SSK. He said he was town after I fakehammered.

KMD, really?

Do you buy also his last "Oh I thought I was lynched again" in last page?

Also, modkilling scum without not even knowing is obv better than modkilling town.

[populartajo]

Mod. I know deadlines are not extendible. But I think this modkill and posterior reset of the votecount generates a special case, taking into account the fact that we had a player at L-1.

So I hereby request deadline extension, please Mod. Thx and XOXO.

[populartajo]

Hmm... who do I know in this game...

Kmd4390, who is scum?

Xyl, who are you replacing?

[populartajo]

I like Kay.

With the exception, why do you think Lammont is town?

[populartajo]

I think its hilarious you are both voting me over an obvious fakeclaim. You both are stretching so far to avoid seeing the plain truth. It really is amazing.

Add me to the group.

Vote : Lammont

Really, read the claim and tell me if there is a way to prove if he is telling the truth or not.

[populartajo]

Vote LC

Stop being stupid, Steph can be confirmed as L since he is claiming to have recruited two players. Why arent you just asking for someone that is in his group to say "I am in his group" or something to that extent?

Fluff, he is stupid or scum?

[populartajo]

I so hate "meta", which is why I think I'm playing newbie games from now on. Basing reads on "meta" is basically giving in to skilled players who will change their playstyle.

I'm not speculating on whether or not Lamont is town...but I must say I am completely unimpressed with Kairyuu's play in this game. I'm sure that makes me "stupid".

First bit is meh. Newbie games mean you're gonna be dealing with people who have no clue what they're doing though, making tells much less consistant.

Second bit I have to agree with you on. I haven't been overly impressed by my own play in this game either. Then again, you haven't exactly had a great game either, considering that you were scummy enough to be forced to claim.

@all: STOP F***ING VOTING LAMONT ALREADY. HE'S NOT SCUM.

Kay, your reason to clear Lammon doesnt make sense.

[populartajo]

Yey, somebody else is going to support my zwet hate.

Unvote Vote: zwet.

Gorrad, why didnt you tell us about your investigation before?

[populartajo]

And full name/role claim. I just want to be sure you are really Maki

Why are you prompting him with the name he's supposed to claim?

Because im pretty sure he claimed it earlier when he did the claim/take back thing

Im pretty sure Fluff would have checked zwet isos before posting this.

[populartajo]

Im not buying this crap.

Also, if zwet is scum as I strongly suspect, Fluff is scum with him.

You heard it here first.

[populartajo]

I see no reason to disbelieve the thing about SPK, but it doesn't confirm zwet's alignment at all.

zwet, claim your results.

no result night 1, I forgot to send an action n2, and no result n3

. I didn't get a PM at all in response to either of my actions, so I'm assuming something happened both nights.

There were only two nights

. Also, you forgot to claim your targets.

Hahaha I cant believe I missed that

unvote
vote zwet

Dont like the hahaha and the quick vote.

[populartajo]

I see no reason to disbelieve the thing about SPK, but it doesn't confirm zwet's alignment at all.

zwet, claim your results.

no result night 1, I forgot to send an action n2, and no result n3. I didn't get a PM at all in response to either of my actions, so I'm assuming something happened both nights.

you seem pretty sure in this quote.

[populartajo]

Why is zwet still alive?

[populartajo]

Ftr, Im pretty lost in this game with the only exception of my zwet read. Im catching up tonight.

[populartajo]

Did a quick read of recent stuff, found im leaning in a direction now

Vote Tajo

I can get a case up either late friday or midday saturday

Interesting is that I havent been in much of recent stuff.

But w/e, Im bored, guess I need someone making a case against me to fully come back.l

[populartajo]

K, I am going to be busy tomorrow so to prevent a stoopid wagon likely to grow, Ill claim.

Today, right now.

I am Sayu Yagami. Pretty much vanilla with a piece of information about a rolename in the game. If the majority wants me to share this info, I will, but I dont think it benefits us.

So, discuss.

[populartajo]

Also

Unvote Vote : Kmd4390.

[populartajo]

"Nothing proves you fake claiming yet" is not a reason to unvote.

Doubly so when he wasnt even voting Tajo to start. This warrents a bit of an explaination

@Tajo - Is the information anything that can clear a role later or prove your role through someone else? If it is im pretty sure its worth claiming at this point.

If it were the case, I would have claimed that.

The information I have is from a still alive role. I cant clear a role but it will find scum 100%. Which is the reason why I think revealing it now its a bad idea.

[populartajo]

Better a tajo lynch than no lynch, I guess.

Vote: populartajo

Nothing to comment of my claim?

[populartajo]

Kairyuu is town. Stop voting him.

And you?

populartajo -5 (mykonian, Lamont_Cranston, Llamafluff, Kairyuu, Knight of Cydonia)
Kairyuu -1 (xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone)
DeathNote-1 (MrBuddyLee)
KnightofCydonia -1 (Gorrad)
Kmd4390 - 1 (populartajo)
Not voting: Kmd4390, Starbuck, zwetchenwasser, Stephoscope, DeathNote

It's like sand.

With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.

[populartajo]

I have the rolename of a player that started the game with a death note, therefore antitown. I have already breadcrumbed the role name. That player isnt dead. Me sharing this information, for obvious reasons, is not what Im looking for.

[populartajo]

And in any case, it will be better if you lynch me without me revealing this information, since once its spilled, it will become pretty much uselss.

So, yeah.

[populartajo]

So the player that started with the Death Note would still technically be anti-town, and I would think that since you know of this anti-town player that you are anti-town yourself.

lolwut?

How me knowing an antitown rolename makes me strictly antitown?

[populartajo]

And in any case, it will be better if you lynch me without me revealing this information, since once its spilled, it will become pretty much uselss.

So, yeah.

Uh, no. If you're going to be lynched you need to reveal before you die.

Yeah, prob you are right.

But I dont want to be lynched.

[populartajo]

Why do you know theme wise of a living rolename with a note?

I know someone that is completely besotted with Light and will do anything for him. Ive found that person has an strange notebook.

[populartajo]

Paraphrase of my role, btw.

[populartajo]

Rolename, Lammont, not name of the player.

populartajo -6 (mykonian, Lamont_Cranston, Llamafluff, Kairyuu, Knight of Cydonia, Starbuck)
Kairyuu -1 (xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone)
DeathNote-1 (MrBuddyLee)
KnightofCydonia -1 (Gorrad)
Kmd4390 - 1 (populartajo)
Not voting: Kmd4390, zwetchenwasser, Stephoscope, DeathNote

The Kira case hasn't been solved yet.

With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.

[populartajo]

Why do you know theme wise of a living rolename with a note?

I know someone that is completely besotted with Light and will do anything for him. Ive found that person has an strange notebook.

That would presumably be Misa, who is in love with Light in the series. It doesn't take much flavor knowledge to guess she would have a Death Note.

I didnt think this would be too obvious. But yes, its Misa.

[populartajo]

K, I am going to be busy tomorrow so to prevent a stoopid wagon likely to grow, Ill claim.

Today, right now.

I am Sayu Yagami. Pretty much vanilla with a piece of information about a rolename in the game. If the majority wants me to share this info, I will, but I dont think it benefits us.

So, discuss.

http://deathnote.wikia.com/wiki/Sayu_Yagami

Read the link guys, it's rather interesting.

Why do you think its interesting?

[populartajo]

Death Note defending Tajo in what appears to be an irrational way noted.

I don't understand this at all seeing as I have not defended Tajo in any way. In face, I claimed that I didn't believe his role. But if this is truely what you think, then I feel I will note this too.

Why dont you believe my role?

[populartajo]

Remember in LAL where Tajo fakeclaimed?

What does this even mean? Just because I fakeclaimed (and I disagree it was a good claim) that means I fakeclaim everytime I claim?

[populartajo]

Tajo:

How in the world does your info "catch scum 100%"?

If someone claims Misa but he claims to be town, then I know that person is lying. Its a 1-1 situation.

[populartajo]

And Sayu is completely ignorant of the Death Notes throughout the series.

I never said my role contains information of death notes. My PM talks about a strange notebook.

[populartajo]

Also I dont get how you thought "Misa is anti-town" was something that town would not assume. I would of wanted to lynch a "Misa with no note" claim if we had one and never heard your claim first.

My PM says that Misa has a strange notebook. Strange notebook : death note. Death note : Kira. Kira: scum.

Its really simple.

[populartajo]

I have the rolename of a player that started the game with a death note, therefore antitown. I have already breadcrumbed the role name. That player isnt dead. Me sharing this information, for obvious reasons, is not what Im looking for.

I never said my role contains information of death notes. My PM talks about a strange notebook.

But Xyl a strange notebook is an obvious death note!

[populartajo]

And Sayu is completely ignorant of the Death Notes throughout the series.

I never said my role contains information of death notes. My PM talks about a strange notebook.

Vote: Populartajo

You mean to tell me that you received information that a person has a strange notebook? If you can convince me that you can't infer that strange notebook=death note then I will unvote but for the time being that seems like complete BS.

Its not BS. The flavor talks about a strange notebook. My role, for flavor reasons, doesnt even know that this notebook is a death note. But I the player, obv know what this is about.

Geez, its not that hard.

[populartajo]

I have the rolename of a player that started the game with a death note, therefore antitown. I have already breadcrumbed the role name. That player isnt dead. Me sharing this information, for obvious reasons, is not what Im looking for.

I never said my role contains information of death notes. My PM talks about a strange notebook.

But Xyl a strange notebook is an obvious death note!

Well, yes. But you do seem to be making a useless semantic distinction. You claim you have the rolename of someone with a death note, but then you say you never claimed your role contains information of death notes... eh.

Look, lets make things clear.

My role doesnt talk a single thing about a "death note".

My role talks about Misa being besotted with Light and having a strange notebook.

So, shouldnt I have made the assumption that this strange notebook is a death note? Or am I missing something?

[populartajo]

Did I lose?